Bad beat/Moaning/Venting thread - Wordle Gummidge

[Denny Crane]

Random Trivia,

1. What was the shortest war in history, and roughly how long did it last?
2. Which US president was the last to kill somebody in a duel?
3. 18th century King of England, George I, was notably unable to do what?
4. During the term of which US president did the White house install it's first computer?
5. The White House is based architecturally on which building?
6. Who was the first resident of Ratra House in the Phoenix Park? (completed in late 19th century).
7. What cure for addiction was released in 1898?
8. What building succeeded the Eiffel tower are the world's tallest structure?
9. What is unique about the Skyscraper "33 Thomas Street" in Manhattan?
10. There are two wrestling disciplines in the Olympics, where did each discipline originate?

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1
2 Jackson
3
4 Regan?
5 Custom House
6 A Lord lieutenant?
7 Heroin?
8 Empire State building?
9 That the building with no windows? Used for back
up communication?
10 Japan?

[Lazare]

Not one for cute animal videos usually but this is great..
Needs sound.

[Guest]

Boris and the gang learning that Russian Bot trick number 1 only works if other can't check the source

NHS Susan's name badge says Mia

They used real NHS staff pics for there fake accounts...nice!

[Lazare]

A bit of trivia inspired by Mellor's question 5.

The oval office design was based on a room in the current Italian ambassador's residence in Lucan village.

Was in the room myself once. Some property tucked behind that wall.

[mcnugget]

Tough Random Trivia

SPOILER

1. Guessing it's not the 6 Day War but that's all I got
2. Andrew Jackson
3. Dunno
4. Kennedy?
5. Leinster House
6. Winston Churchill and family?
7. Methadone?
8. Empire State ?
9. Dunno
10. Greece and USA

[tylerdurden94]

Why does it not look like that is what he is saying? there are some words that match the lip movements, but loads that don't?

Probably the person who spliced the video fucked it up, here's a link to the original.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLcNStHTDjM

[Guest]

A bit of trivia inspired by Mellor's question 5.

The oval office design was based on a room in the current Italian ambassador's residence in Lucan village.

Was in the room myself once. Some property tucked behind that wall.

That's interesting, herself only asked me the other night while watching House of Cards why the oval office was oval?

Congrats BTW

[Guest]

A bit of trivia inspired by Mellor's question 5.

The oval office design was based on a room in the current Italian ambassador's residence in Lucan village.

Was in the room myself once. Some property tucked behind that wall.

Sur the White house itself is based on the Aras

We just need to find out what Dublin pub the secret Presidential bunga bunga room is based on

[ArmaniJeans]

I think its fine. While its architecture and interior are obviously from a bygone era, it's bright and clean. I find the Tesco there well laid out, well stocked, and there's rarely a queue of more than one person at checkouts. Why don't the German supermarkets do the self checkouts?

Lidl have started doing this, the one in Moore St has self-service which fairly zips along. It's very much an after-work buy-a-few-items store, rather than a big weekly shop. Not sure Aldi have embraced the concept yet.

I think Aldi & Lidl have traditionally been against self-service as they see their m.o. as being to get you to do a big €100 grocery shop.
Would I be right in saying that when they first came here they didn't even do baskets, it was trolleys only?

Perhaps we can slowly convert them to our shopping ways.

[Hectorjelly]

That's exactly why he was calling you out, because you were picking on Michelle and not others.

Well that's absolutely ridiculous, I wasn't picking on Michelle, and if I was she is well able to defend herself.

[dobby]

I wasn't replying to you. I didn't mention golf and I quoted someone else.

Wouldnt take it personally. Just sounds like you insulted his girlfriend. "Pick on someone your own size" like being back in school when someone said something about the bird you fancy lol

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[Emmet]

Lidl and Aldi are so grim that I don't care if they have the best food in the world for free.

You have a plane, your opinions on normal stuff are moot.

mootroy

[Kayroo]

Random Trivia,

1. What was the shortest war in history, and roughly how long did it last?
2. Which US president was the last to kill somebody in a duel?
3. 18th century King of England, George I, was notably unable to do what?
4. During the term of which US president did the White house install it's first computer?
5. The White House is based architecturally on which building?
6. Who was the first resident of Ratra House in the Phoenix Park? (completed in late 19th century).
7. What cure for addiction was released in 1898?
8. What building succeeded the Eiffel tower are the world's tallest structure?
9. What is unique about the Skyscraper "33 Thomas Street" in Manhattan?
10. There are two wrestling disciplines in the Olympics, where did each discipline originate?

SPOILER

1. There must be some South American war that went on for a couple of hours. No idea.
2. Burr was a vice-president so not him. Was it Andrew Jackson?
3. Speak English.
4. FDR? Not sure on this one. "Computer" is a fairly broad term.
5. The GPO/Customs House. The architect was a fan of James Gandon. Think he may have been a student of his.
6. Absolutely no idea. If you're saying it was completed late 19th century (it wasn't) then I assume you mean Randolph Churchill. It's a common misconception that it was completed in the late 19th century. It was likely completed around 1850.
7. Heroin?
8. Chrysler Building
9. Is it concrete rather than steel and glass?
10. No idea.

That was tough. Loved it.

[Mellor]

That's really hard

Guesses only for most.

SPOILER

1. There was the Six Day War but I think the Soccer War was shorter. No doubt there is a shorter one that was over by lunchtime though.
2. It'll be 19th century....errrr. Madison?
3. No idea. Get an erection?
4. Bleh, Want to say Nixon but will go later. Carter?
5. The Dail!
6. The Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, no don't know name
7. Probably something mad like lobotomy
8. Must be American, Empire State? Or the big one in Chicago
9. No idea, is it the funky Flatiron building?
10. Greek and Roman

2/10

SPOILER

1
2 Jackson
3
4 Regan?
5 Custom House
6 A Lord lieutenant?
7 Heroin?
8 Empire State building?
9 That the building with no windows? Used for back
up communication?
10 Japan?

3/10

Tough Random Trivia

SPOILER

1. Guessing it's not the 6 Day War but that's all I got
2. Andrew Jackson
3. Dunno
4. Kennedy?
5. Leinster House
6. Winston Churchill and family?
7. Methadone?
8. Empire State ?
9. Dunno
10. Greece and USA

3/10

SPOILER

1. There must be some South American war that went on for a couple of hours. No idea.
2. Burr was a vice-president so not him. Was it Andrew Jackson?
3. Speak English.
4. FDR? Not sure on this one. "Computer" is a fairly broad term.
5. The GPO/Customs House. The architect was a fan of James Gandon. Think he may have been a student of his.
6. Absolutely no idea. If you're saying it was completed late 19th century (it wasn't) then I assume you mean Randolph Churchill. It's a common misconception that it was completed in the late 19th century. It was likely completed around 1850.
7. Heroin?
8. Chrysler Building
9. Is it concrete rather than steel and glass?
10. No idea.

That was tough. Loved it.

4/10


Slowly getting there lads.

[Raoul Duke III]

It's mad you think that. Like that the Russian government has that type of control. We seem to have no problem assigning these conspiracy theories to countries we don't know like China and Russia, but not to countries that we have any knowledge of because we know how impractical it would be to hide cases. Most healthcare in Russia, including testing, is private so there's no way to keep the information private, and in any case there is no need to lie. They may very well not have captured all the cases as they're only catching up, but they're running 100k tests a day now. They've shut down everything for a month at the moment, a paid month's holiday for everyone. So clearly they are openly worried about the situation.

One advantage they have is that they've paid off almost all foreign debt and built massive reserves by running budget surpluses, unlike e.g. the US that was running trillion dollar budget deficits when the economy was doing well.

John Le Carre is just a novel. Sometimes we forget that.

Russiabot triggered.

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[Mellor]

Collectively you score 8/10.
Probably a concentration type puzzle to solve from here.

[Tar.Aldarion]

Random Trivia,

1. What was the shortest war in history, and roughly how long did it last?
2. Which US president was the last to kill somebody in a duel?
3. 18th century King of England, George I, was notably unable to do what?
4. During the term of which US president did the White house install it's first computer?
5. The White House is based architecturally on which building?
6. Who was the first resident of Ratra House in the Phoenix Park? (completed in late 19th century).
7. What cure for addiction was released in 1898?
8. What building succeeded the Eiffel tower are the world's tallest structure?
9. What is unique about the Skyscraper "33 Thomas Street" in Manhattan?
10. There are two wrestling disciplines in the Olympics, where did each discipline originate?

Ok at my computer.

SPOILER

1. anglo zanzibar 38-45 mins
2 andrew jackson
3 speak english
4 jimmy carter
5 leinster house
6 the groundskeeper haha no idea
7 heroin
8 chrysler
9 no windows
10 china, greece

[Tar.Aldarion]

Front page links broken again.

[Mellor]

Ok at my computer.

SPOILER

1. anglo zanzibar 38-45 mins
2 andrew jackson
3 speak english
4 jimmy carter
5 leinster house
6 the groundskeeper haha no idea
7 heroin
8 chrysler
9 no windows
10 china, greece

8/10


(9/10 collectively now.)

[Denny Crane]

1. anglo zanzibar 38-45 mins
2 andrew jackson
3 speak english
4 jimmy carter
5 Custom house
6 Randolph Churchill
7 heroin
8 chrysler
9 no windows
10 china, greece

[Guest]

I'm sure others just recieved an email from the "Amazon UK country manager".

They're upping their minimum wage from 9.50/10.50(London region) to 11.50/12.50.

UK minimum wage is now 8.72 so prior to this they offered 9% more than minimum wage to their employees.

That is embarrassing.

Great for employees to get a bump but brutal that it's taken this for the change.

[Lao Lao]

Can't remember if mentioned this before, but one of France's little known delights is its butters. They use a process similar to cheese making to give depth to the (good) butter and loads of protected areas that make specialist butter. You could never try Kerry Gold again after tasting some of the best.

Pfft...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOJ6v_QABuE

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[Mellor]

1. anglo zanzibar 38-45 mins
2 andrew jackson
3 speak english
4 jimmy carter
5 Custom house
6 Randolph Churchill
7 heroin
8 chrysler
9 no windows
10 china, greece

Also 8/10

(accepting Randolph, but I was looking for Winston)

Absolutely no idea. If you're saying it was completed late 19th century (it wasn't) then I assume you mean Randolph Churchill. It's a common misconception that it was completed in the late 19th century. It was likely completed around 1850.

As above. I was looking for Winston Churchill, who lived there from ages 2-6 while Randolph was secretary to Lord Lieutenant Churchill.

There was an older house on site, from close to 1800. There's no concrete dates afaik. I was under the impression that it was re-built for 1867. But you might be right, it could have been just extended/renovated.

[Denny Crane]

From an expert source, the WHO.

The WHO have been bozos from the start. They're like the rest of the UN, completely ineffectual, but yet still given this veil of trust and prestige. The phrase "The WHO said" needs to stop being treated like it's the result of rigorous peer-reviewed replicated study.

I remember being surprised when the girl that finished bottom of our class starting working at the UN. I asked someone about it their reply was "do you think anyone that's capable wants to work there?"

The WHO said masks weren't important, the WHO underplayed this from the start, the WHO said not to restrict travel.

Absence of evidence at this stage is not 100% evidence of absence.

I think you missed the most important part of that article

She did not respond to a request to elaborate on whether it was possible the virus may have inadvertently escaped from a lab. The Wuhan Institute of Virology has dismissed rumours both that it synthesized the virus or allowed it to escape.

It's not a mad cap conspiracy theory that something has escaped a Chinese lab:

https://www.who.int/csr/don/2004_01_05/en/

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-03863-z

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-analysis/sars-escaped-beijing-lab-twice-50137

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[Strewelpeter]

Is ludicrous for anyone who is that knowledgeable and skilful to be wasting time speculating about the source of the virus when it is utterly and completely irrelevant.

Find that an odd position.

Its more or less unknowable with any certainty and utterly irrelevant.

Its 99% + it happened naturally as was widely predicted and expected to transmit as it did because of the ubiquitous air travel which has really only emerged on this scale since the 1990's.
Even if there was a 10 or 20 % chance it escaped from a research lab or if it was let out by a David Morse in 12 Monkeys like character what does it matter?

There is only one game in town for anyone with the skills and experience and that is creating a vaccine. Anyone claiming they know it came from a lab is a liar and a fraud and can only be in the business of self aggrandising and or providing cover for Trump's abject failure.

Edit: Pure coincidence that you are back peddling this line again now, I had intended to post that since the other evening ... I'll have a look at the links you just posted later on but as I say I don't see why it even matters , its just aftertiming.

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[Raoul Duke III]

So you're an expert on the WHO now that Trump has said they are bad. Okay. Interesting that there is nary a peep when they are doing their regular work solving ebola and HIV outbreaks in the most difficult conditions in the world. Let's instead listen to the guy desperate to hold on to his job after fucking up so badly thinking it was a hoax and killing 10s of thousands of people.

Now onto page 2 of the playbook:

1. what about Biden
2. what about Pelosi

etc

China bad (depending who I have watched on Fox most recently). Media bad. Democrat governors bad. Obama bad.

Laws of America bad. Break laws morons! Freedom good!

[Denny Crane]

So you're an expert on the WHO now that Trump has said they are bad. Okay. Interesting that there is nary a peep when they are doing their regular work solving ebola and HIV outbreaks in the most difficult conditions in the world. Let's instead listen to the guy desperate to hold on to his job after fucking up so badly thinking it was a hoax and killing 10s of thousands of people.

Do you want to try again? We're not talking about ebola and HIV outbreaks. I'm sure they're great at that. But their track record on Covid has been dire.

We've seen time and time again how badly experts have done in novel situations or with novel information.

Traders have been >>>> epidemiologists when it comes to modeling this so far

Remember when Oxford’s Evolutionary Ecology of Infectious Disease group came out saying that cornavirus may have effected 50% of the UK population? https://www.ft.com/content/5ff6469a-...f-41bea055720b

experts from the WHO doesn't mean anything.

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[Raoul Duke III]

Do you want to try again? We're not talking about ebola and HIV outbreaks. I'm sure they're great at that. But their track record on Covid has been dire.

We've seen time and time again how badly experts have done in novel situations or with novel information.

Traders have been >>>> epidemiologists when it comes to model this so far

Remember when Oxford’s Evolutionary Ecology of Infectious Disease group came out saying that cornavirus may have effected 50% of the UK population? https://www.ft.com/content/5ff6469a-...f-41bea055720b

experts from the WHO doesn't mean anything.

Trump smart. Trump know virus better than science-talking dudes. Trump say virus same as flu. Trump have everything open again by Easter. Trump tell you all to drink fish tank cleaner.

[Denny Crane]

Now onto page 2 of the playbook:

1. what about Biden
2. what about Pelosi

If anyone else had been in charge things would have been better!
Ignores the opposition leaders telling people to go out shopping
Durrr, silly orange man

[Denny Crane]

Its more or less unknowable with any certainty and utterly irrelevant.

Its 99% + it happened naturally as was widely predicted and expected to transmit as it did because of the ubiquitous air travel which has really only emerged on this scale since the 1990's.
Even if there was a 10 or 20 % chance it escaped from a research lab or if it was let out by a David Morse in 12 Monkeys like character what does it matter?

There is only one game in town for anyone with the skills and experience and that is creating a vaccine. Anyone claiming they know it came from a lab is a liar and a fraud and can only be in the business of self aggrandising and or providing cover for Trump's abject failure.

Edit: Pure coincidence that you are back peddling this line again now, I had intended to post that since the other evening ... I'll have a look at the links you just posted later on but as I say I don't see why it even matters , its just aftertiming.

So your whole thinking on this is based on Trump?

Trump doesn't factor into my thinking here. WHO has been under pressure from China since the beginning. Hardly a surprise they're underplaying any chance of it having originated there. If Obama was in charge this topic would be the same. Seems bizarre to ignore it because Trump is charge.

From the very least, if it originated in a lab it should mean changes and better protocols going forward. To dismiss that seems insane.

[nicnicnic]

It's been good to see the resurgence of the forum over the past few weeks. Every forum needs a good troll and over the years we've had some of the best exponents of the art.

Maybe Eagle eye or DBC are lurking and might make a apperence as CHD is very busy with fatherhood currently to give the job his full attention. Would be good to see some decency and talent return the role.

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[Raoul Duke III]

If anyone else had been in charge things would have been better!
Ignores the opposition leaders telling people to go out shopping
Durrr, silly orange man

"I take no responsibility"

said:
(a) the head of the entire federal government
(b) Bozo the clown

[Guest]

The WHO have been bozos from the start. They're like the rest of the UN, completely ineffectual, but yet still given this veil of trust and prestige. The phrase "The WHO said" needs to stop being treated like it's the result of rigorous peer-reviewed replicated study.

I remember being surprised when the girl that finished bottom of our class starting working at the UN. I asked someone about it their reply was "do you think anyone that's capable wants to work there?"

The WHO said masks weren't important, the WHO underplayed this from the start, the WHO said not to restrict travel.

Absence of evidence at this stage is not 100% evidence of absence.

I think you missed the most important part of that article




It's not a mad cap conspiracy theory that something has escaped a Chinese lab:

https://www.who.int/csr/don/2004_01_05/en/

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-03863-z

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-a...ab-twice-50137

I'm not 100% sure what you did in college but I'd imagine getting a job with the UN straight out of any Uni in Ireland puts you right up there in terms of a post uni role.

I don't think it's mad conspiracy that it *didn't* start in the wet market. It only begins to get mad when you start discussing the intentions and how it propagated.

Thought this was interesting. Finding of at least 30 different strains of corona. Ugh. This is going to be a nightmare to vaccinate against surely. The key bit:



Seems to explain why some countries have been devastated by the virus and others barely touched despite having loads of cases. France for example has (arguably) the best healthcare in the world with loads of spare capacity but seems to have been wiped out. While next Germany has barely had a hair ruffled.

The problem (my extrapolation here) is that presumably then the worst is yet to come for the Asian countries that got off quite lightly with this current round of infection, including China, as they haven't yet been hit by the much tougher corona strains that have knocked out European countries.

tl;dr I'm not sure we've all fully taken on board just how long this is going to knock us back for. Could be 3-5 years, which is a very long time by anyone's measurement approach.

The biggest reason for Germany's ability to avoid deaths at the same scale is the age of the infected. Perhaps viral load plays a role but I shared something previously from Science that noted that this type of virus does not mutate much in relative terms and when it does the overwhelming majority are not more deadly.

More mutations does not necessarily mean a worse strain.

I follow this page who discuss strains and there is no mention of any glaring differences in strains between EU countries https://twitter.com/nextstrain?lang=en

[Strewelpeter]

So your whole thinking on this is based on Trump?

Trump doesn't factor into my thinking here. WHO has been under pressure from China since the beginning. Hardly a surprise they're underplaying any chance of it having originated there. If Obama was in charge this topic would be the same. Seems bizarre to ignore it because Trump is charge.

From the very least, if it originated in a lab it should mean changes and better protocols going forward. To dismiss that seems insane.

No thats exactly not what I'm saying. Ionly speculate why anyone with a fucking Nobel prize in the subject might be wasting time looking for Reds under the bed when there is far more important work to be done.

There is a severe case of TDS going on here and it ain't me babe!


The reasons international organisations are under such severe constraints while operating in China are being exacerbated by the current US administration which started a trade war with China so yeah, under Obama they would have been freer to operate there.


As regards the operating procedures and security protocols in viral labs in the future of course they are going to be under greater scrutiny and who would you like to have do that the WHO or the Chinese Communist Party?

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[Denny Crane]

Let's try this from a different approach - show me one example of you mentioning WHO being bad before Trump said it... It's hard to engage with the point when you are just parroting an idiot who is nearly always wrong.

I don't follow Trump. I have his name muted. I don't watch any of conferences. I barely read any media. Nearly all the references I read about him are from here.

Not sure if I posted about the WHO here (I did on 2p2), but I have posted about the UN before. And the idea that experts cease to be experts when they're dealing with new info isn't exactly novel.

WHO is trying to stop people dying, traders are just trying to extrapolate firm financial harm.

Why have they been so bad at it?

Traders have been weeks and months ahead of the WHO on predicting how bad this was going to be. Putting someone who understands risk in charge of the WHO would be >>>>> the current situation.

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[Strewelpeter]

Orwell in his wildest imagination couldn't have have dreamed up the concept like TDS as a vehicle for blanket refutation of any hint that beloved leader was anything other than an extremely successful self made billionaire, who is definitely not a racist, misogynist, pathetic bully or sexually deviant manchild

[Denny Crane]

The reasons international organisations are under such severe constraints while operating in China are being exacerbated by the current US administration which started a trade war with China so yeah, under Obama they would have been freer to operate there.?

so it's fault of the US that China is restrictive? And fighting a trade war with such a country in order to level the playing field trade wise against such a bad actor...is a bad thing?


That you in the crowd at the back?

[Guest]

Did you read anything on whether that would suggest that a single strain vaccine should be effective against most sub-strains? It strikes me that the study quoted in my original post showing the most toxic strain being up to 270 times more dangerous than the least toxic strain suggests pretty serious differences between the sub-viruses.

I haven't been following much in the past couple of weeks, just overload at this stage. Anything I do read I just send it direct to CHDad

Perhaps viral load is a thing and there are strains which are worse but I don't think that's the difference between EU countries.

Take a look at this map:https://www.gisaid.org/epiflu-applic...t-hcov-19-app/

This one is easier to filter, same source: https://nextstrain.org/ncov/global

[Denny Crane]

If the first time you mention WHO is after Trump mentioned it then it does suggest he is doing your thinking for you here.

Trump has fucked this up in a way the history books will be writing about - so he looks for scapegoats - thinks 'my followers don't like (1) big government and (2) China' - then, ingeniously, comes up with the idea that the ultimate big government - the UN - is responsible in conjunction with - wait for it! - China! It's a corona-miracle!

We can though have a bit of self-respect and not repeat his nonsense.

You know you can ignore Trump and still look at the facts of the situation? Just cause he might be using it for his own political advantage does not make it untrue.

Forget about anything to do with Trump.

Then go examine the situation again.

I don't think it's mad conspiracy that it *didn't* start in the wet market

Bats were never in the wet market in Wuhan. They were in the lab in Wuhan. Viruses have escaped multiple times from such labs.

And we putting a 0% probability that it happened with this cornavirus cause...Trump?

[Solksjaer!]

The WHO have been bozos from the start. They're like the rest of the UN, completely ineffectual, but yet still given this veil of trust and prestige. The phrase "The WHO said" needs to stop being treated like it's the result of rigorous peer-reviewed replicated study.

I remember being surprised when the girl that finished bottom of our class starting working at the UN. I asked someone about it their reply was "do you think anyone that's capable wants to work there?"

The WHO said masks weren't important, the WHO underplayed this from the start, the WHO said not to restrict travel.

Absence of evidence at this stage is not 100% evidence of absence.

I think you missed the most important part of that article




It's not a mad cap conspiracy theory that something has escaped a Chinese lab:

https://www.who.int/csr/don/2004_01_05/en/

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-03863-z

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-a...ab-twice-50137

She should have tried for POTUS. Weren't his scores questionable ? Seems a bit strange you equate top/bottom of your class with real world capabilities . Girl in my class is now CEO of SAP in Singapore She wasnt up to much in school either . Pick n mix like a true Trumper

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[Guest]

Bats were never in the wet market in Wuhan. They were in the lab in Wuhan. Viruses have escaped multiple times from such labs.

And we putting a 0% probability that it happened with this cornavirus cause...Trump?

I shared an article from Science weeks ago where China's version of Fauci said it may have started elsewhere.

Nobody thinks its a wild conspiracy that it didn't start in the wet market.

Anything beyond that is speculation which can quickly descend into conspiracy theory but very few are staunchly sticking to the wet market as the only possible source.

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[Denny Crane]

Could they have acted earlier? Hmm. I doubt it. They can't actually force behaviour. The rest of the world was told about the China outbreak for two months and didn't do anything. Europe ignored it until Italy had an outbreak.

Were there mistakes. Of course there were. Everywhere. Absolutely everywhere. Let's remind ourselves what the WHO director said about mistakes:

THe WHO were against travel bans. The whole thing could have been mostly contained to China. China was better at protecting the rest of China that it was at protecting the rest of the world.

If someone has a timeline of WHO annoucnments I'm sure it'd make great reading. "you don't need masks", "it's unlikely to speed via respiratory means" "don't restrict travel from infected areas" "low transmission rate"

What else could the WHO do? Maybe not be lapdogs of the Chinese?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlCYFh8U2xM

[LuckyLloyd]

The WHO have been bozos from the start. They're like the rest of the UN, completely ineffectual, but yet still given this veil of trust and prestige. The phrase "The WHO said" needs to stop being treated like it's the result of rigorous peer-reviewed replicated study.

I remember being surprised when the girl that finished bottom of our class starting working at the UN. I asked someone about it their reply was "do you think anyone that's capable wants to work there?"

The WHO said masks weren't important, the WHO underplayed this from the start, the WHO said not to restrict travel.

Absence of evidence at this stage is not 100% evidence of absence.

I think you missed the most important part of that article




It's not a mad cap conspiracy theory that something has escaped a Chinese lab:

https://www.who.int/csr/don/2004_01_05/en/

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-03863-z

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-a...ab-twice-50137

So I would totally understand this line if we were women into politics who get all hot and bothered when some lad cooly and commitedly plays devil's advocate. I'd imagine that played alright for ya a few times down through the years (and fair play!). But I don't really get it in this context now tbh.

[Mellor]

Random Trivia,

1. What was the shortest war in history, and roughly how long did it last?
2. Which US president was the last to kill somebody in a duel?
3. 18th century King of England, George I, was notably unable to do what?
4. During the term of which US president did the White house install it's first computer?
5. The White House is based architecturally on which building?
6. Who was the first resident of Ratra House in the Phoenix Park? (completed in late 19th century).
7. What cure for addiction was released in 1898?
8. What building succeeded the Eiffel tower are the world's tallest structure?
9. What is unique about the Skyscraper "33 Thomas Street" in Manhattan?
10. There are two wrestling disciplines in the Olympics, where did each discipline originate?

Answers;

1. Anglo Zanzibar 38-45 mins - 500 people died, which exceed WW2's deathrate (in terms of time)
2 Andrew Jackson
3 George I, King of England, couldn't speak English
4 Jimmy Carter
5 Leinster House. ((Original White House)
6 Winston Churchill
7 Heroin. A medicine to treat opiate addiction.
8 The Chrysler Building, which was the tallest building in the world for about a year.
9 It has no Windows.

and the one that stumped everyone...

SPOILER

10. England (Freestyle Wrestling), France (Greco Roman Wrestling)

[Denny Crane]

So I would totally understand this line if we were women into politics who get all hot and bothered when some lad cooly and commitedly plays devil's advocate. I'd imagine that played alright for ya a few times down through the years (and fair play!). But I don't really get it in this context now tbh.

There's very little meat in these counter argument posts.

[LuckyLloyd]

There's very little meat in these counter argument posts.

I'm not arguing with you - if you've noticed I haven't replied to a single other one of your posts on anything Trump related!

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[Denny Crane]

They were against them. And then they weren't. Things evolve. Sure now it makes sense but back then with the info they had it didn't. Then they updated that belief.

When were they in favour of them? They were still against them at the beginning of March.

Anyway, the info was all there. It was demonstrated by the actions of the Chinese gov and what was happening in Wuhan. China shut down the infected areas. But the WHO (under Chinese pressure) was against the same for the rest of the world.

What about the rest of their expert advice? No masks? Low transmission? No health measures for travelers? no restrictions on travel?

They were against them. And then they weren't. Things evolve. Sure now it makes sense but back then with the info they had it didn't. Then they updated that belief.

So not everything they say is 100%? Does that revise your probability of what you were saying earlier? Do you still think it's 100% that it didn't originate from a lab?