Bad beat/Moaning/Venting thread - Wordle Gummidge

[oleras]

lol @ money society existing in 5 years

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[Solksjaer!]

My task for the Evening. Thanks

[Solksjaer!]

lol @ money existing in 5 years

Wager ?

[Emmet]

[DeadParrot]

5 years

lol @ money existing in 5 years

[coillcam]

Seems like an excellent system imo. I'd probably get elevated straight to the House of Lords.

Was passing by Boris' gaff there recently on a trip across the water. Couldn't contain myself and had to say how big of a prick the lad is that was in number 10 (for the moment at least).

The missus didn't get it initially as she's from Brazil and wouldn't know where we were. However, any of her crowd that has an interest in English language culture thinks it's a magical little place of Harry Potter, The Beatles, and Afternoon Tea. When you point out that they were just the same as their colonial compatriots in Portugal, the tune changes fairly rapidly from initial sympathy to empathetic fury . I'll give them one thing, The Tube is simply class. I wish someone in charge had the stomach to force the issue in the past. It really should have been done in the immediacy of the GFC. Would have been some boon for work and trade for a decade on that project.

On the topic of citizenship, I wonder how many of us would have the stomach to pass the citizenship test for the Netherlands? Leaving cert A1 equivalent fluency in Dutch is the primary requirement. My mate's English wife went for Irish citizenship pre-brexit as she was afraid of her life of Boris/Tory rug-pulling post Brexit. She actually could have had ancestral Polish nationality but it required a fair whack of work. She said the Irish process was very much a "good egg" test by comparison.

[Raoul Duke III]

fuck. 1,000 people inside the shopping centre according to Zelenskky. Like having a bomb strike Dundrum Shopping Centre.

Sadly only a drop in the ocean compared to the amount of civilians murdered in Mariupol by the fascists.

Anyone whining about the price of diesel btw should be shown those pictures for a bit of perspective...

[Hitchhiker's Guide To...]

fuck. 1,000 people inside the shopping centre according to Zelenskky. Like having a bomb strike Dundrum Shopping Centre.

[Raoul Duke III]

Striking contrast between the UK and Irish citizenship ceremonies with the UK ones populated mostly by resentful Europeans having been being forced to spend hundreds of pounds to jump through bureaucratic hoops including having to pass an absolutely insane quiz where you need to know shite like what year the battle of Bosworth field cricketing terms and loads of other really esoteric shite about Parliament.

Seems like an excellent system imo. I'd probably get elevated straight to the House of Lords.

[Mellor]

There's two elements to it really. Imagine it like this. Two people are walking in the opposite direction on the same street and bump into each other. At that precise moment they occupy the same space and are in the same position. But how they got there and where they are going are diametrically opposed and so you cannot say, even in that moment, that they are the same. It is much the same for Roe v 8th. How Roe came to be, how it was damaged and ultimately ended are important factors in considering its effect. It didn't just leave it up to the States. It immediately made abortion illegal. Instantly in 8 States and shortly thereafter in another 13. It is also a jumping off point for a broader attack on other procedural rights in the US Constitution.

Well I clearly acknowledged that the trajectory of each was entirely different, and subsequent trigger laws created opposite net effects. But the point was, clearly, that the opportunity created by each repeal was freedom to legislate as they see fit.

It was a comment on the state of America at the minute, and not suggesting the last (and next) 5 years have been the same if abortion or civil rights.

To use your example, the two people were released and where free to walk down the street which ever way they liked - but went opposite ways and bumped into each other.

By contrast the repeal of the 8th did not make abortion legal instantly. It just removed the barrier to legality. It was not a jumping off point for any other issues, it did not weaken a broader doctrine in Irish law, it had no tangible effect other than removing a constitutional prohibition.

This may seem like nit-picking but it's also important to bear in mind that explicitly removing a barrier by democratic mandate and removing a right by judicial pronouncement have vastly different democratic effects.

Well if we’re being precise. Repealing Roe didn’t make any illegal. Trigger laws that were prepared in advance if it’s repeal did. I don’t think that distinction is something you would fail to point out. The decision was leaked months in advance and many states had laws signed, or ready to sign.
Worth point out that while some banned it e turns, other restricted it, and despite that those states are still more liberal than Ireland’s celebrate position. If a state in the US was to copy Ireland’s law, it would be one of the more restrictive.

And for the sake of completeness. Many states also have laws in place to protect abortion should Roe be repealed. Some of which have strengthen those laws to protect the rights of people forced to travel, others now have more liberal access to abortion (5 or 6 states now permit abortion at any stage of pregnancy)

Some states could take the opportunity to introduce constitutional protection for abortion. A number are on the fence. At least one will go to the polls on the matter.

One gives legitimacy not only to the amendment but also to the subsequent legislative changes which provide for what the amendment attempted to achieve. By contrast there is no such democratic mandate or legitimacy to removing a constitutional right by judicial opinion. If anything it undermines the rule of law. It is precisely why the doctrine of stare decisis is so important. It also leaves the legal regulation of the previously protected right in an unusual place, since each polity must then consider the broader question of how to address provision for abortion on a political level absent an existing and recognised right.

I completely agree that the Irish system of referenda is much more democratic and contemporary. it stops us getting stuck in the past. Our own Supreme Court’s has held judicial opinions on the subject that are not seen as pretty out of touch.




The system where decisions of millions are left to 9 individuals, who places are decided by a morbid game of musical chair is frankly bizarre.




But the state powers that put these trigger laws in place were elected democratically. Not the same as voting directly, but If they went to the polls prior to introducing these laws, would that have added legitimacy?

As I said least one is doing that,Kansas iirc.

At roughly the same time that the Warren Court in the US delivered Griswold v Conneticut the Irish Courts had started to become increasingly influenced by the "unenumerated rights" doctrine espoused by that court. A number of decisions such as Ryan v The Attorney General (linked) began to explore the concept of privacy and bodily integrity as unspecified rights which could be found in the Irish Constitution.




Then, in 1973 the US Supreme Court delivered its opinion in Roe v Wade. The decision turned on the concept of privacy and how a right to an abortion fell within that right under the 14th Amendment. In 1974 the Irish Supreme Court delivered it's judgment in McGee v The Attorney General which held that contraception for married couples could not be made illegal as it offended against the right to marital privacy.




This set alarm bells off among a small and rather fringe group of Irish Catholics who felt that the Irish Supreme Court was going to deliver its own version of Roe and legalise abortion despite the Irish court explicitly stating in a judgment that it would not and could not do so within the Irish constitutional framework. Nevertheless rumblings continued until, in 1981, the Pro-Life Amendment Campaign (PLAC) began a wide scale push for what would become the 8th amendment. The PLAC were formed to lobby Irish political parties in the run up to the 1981 election. This was Haughey's first election as Taoiseach off the back of Jack Lynch's historic 1977 victory. There was no way Haughey would hold an overall majority and so Labour, FG and FF all were desperate to grab any support they could. All three party leaders agreed to hold a referendum if elected. We all know what happened next.




So, from a US Supreme Court decision on abortion, through an Irish Supreme Court decision on condoms for a Loughshinny woman and her husband, via the paranoia of Christian lobbyists, we got the 8th Amendment.

Thanks for that. It’s quite interesting.

I noted before that I was surprised Roe passed on privacy, when the 14th also contained references to the right to life. But perhaps that why the 8th was so explicited. Compared to more vague centuries old American language.

[Strewelpeter]

Striking contrast between the UK and Irish citizenship ceremonies with the UK ones populated mostly by resentful Europeans having been being forced to spend hundreds of pounds to jump through bureaucratic hoops including having to pass an absolutely insane quiz where you need to know shite like what year the battle of Bosworth field cricketing terms and loads of other really esoteric shite about Parliament.

[Hectorjelly]

This may or may not be intentional to get cash games going though

Its worse for cash games as its a lot better to have a steady trickle of people from early than half the field arriving at 10pm

[Kayroo]

And, if you're not careful, you might get arrested and thrown in jail for taking that bus ride...

Not unintentional in my choice of destination

[Denny Crane]

Love the 1st AID KIT ladies . Missed them . Anyone see ?

the folk who see music as colours are those perfect pitch freaks. Heard a story of one chap at a meeting driven mad by a train a mile away screeching on the tracks one at C and one at C sharp and the dissonance. How true is anyones guess but id imagine it would kill your enjoyment of anything but concery pitch shows dunno . Relative pitch is enough

Something like 1 in 10,000 people have perfect pitch.

But it can be taught to anyone if you start before 2

A guy took a class of kids, and trained them all to have perfect pitch. It took varying amounts of time but they could all get it.

[Raoul Duke III]

In much the same way Moscow is only a bus ride away for someone from Kerry?

And, if you're not careful, you might get arrested and thrown in jail for taking that bus ride...

[Micknail]

On that note, a good structure should have a steady drip of players being eliminated. If a huge proportion of people are getting knocked out at one time something is wrong. A typical Fitz tourney years ago would have 1 person knocked in the first hour, and then half the field in 30 mins when the blinds doubled later on.

This may or may not be intentional to get cash games going though

[Raoul Duke III]

I think rd3 is asking if mates rates works in this situation.

Has anyone had a 'trusted' party in as a "Guardian" of the house and in return for a reduced rate reduce their claim over a full 'landlord tenant' relationship?

I do know of people on the other side of that deal absolutely fucking delighted with it, and because they were genuine and trustworthy they really did look after the gaf as if it were there own.

Think ultimately though they could have been a dick and enforced part v rights and locked in the landlord at the reduced rate. Big risk.

Yes, pretty much that.

[Denny Crane]

. Using a letting agent means they go around every 3 months (the one we use do anyway) and take photos. No guarantees though obviously. If you are going off books then unless you know them personally it's dicey legally as you should be registered with the RTB and the taxman.

In all my time I've never had an agent visit or inspect the place. Must just look trustworthy or had lazy agents.

[Kayroo]

But abortions in the US will still only be a bus ride away for most.

In much the same way Moscow is only a bus ride away for someone from Kerry?

[Denny Crane]

Whats the timeline?

5 years

[Kayroo]

See my reply to Laz. I was referring to the fact the repealing each defers the matter to state legislatures. The situations they are in are the same. The difference exists solely in prevailing attitudes of the incumbent government, not the action of repeal itself.
By all means explain if I’m overlooking something.

There's two elements to it really. Imagine it like this. Two people are walking in the opposite direction on the same street and bump into each other. At that precise moment they occupy the same space and are in the same position. But how they got there and where they are going are diametrically opposed and so you cannot say, even in that moment, that they are the same. It is much the same for Roe v 8th. How Roe came to be, how it was damaged and ultimately ended are important factors in considering its effect. It didn't just leave it up to the States. It immediately made abortion illegal. Instantly in 8 States and shortly thereafter in another 13. It is also a jumping off point for a broader attack on other procedural rights in the US Constitution.

By contrast the repeal of the 8th did not make abortion legal instantly. It just removed the barrier to legality. It was not a jumping off point for any other issues, it did not weaken a broader doctrine in Irish law, it had no tangible effect other than removing a constitutional prohibition. This may seem like nit-picking but it's also important to bear in mind that explicitly removing a barrier by democratic mandate and removing a right by judicial pronouncement have vastly different democratic effects. One gives legitimacy not only to the amendment but also to the subsequent legislative changes which provide for what the amendment attempted to achieve. By contrast there is no such democratic mandate or legitimacy to removing a constitutional right by judicial opinion. If anything it undermines the rule of law. It is precisely why the doctrine of stare decisis is so important. It also leaves the legal regulation of the previously protected right in an unusual place, since each polity must then consider the broader question of how to address provision for abortion on a political level absent an existing and recognised right.

I heard that before, but not sure if the actual connection. Was it simply a pre-emptive campaign?
Was there also a supreme court case that allowed condoms that scared the church?

At roughly the same time that the Warren Court in the US delivered Griswold v Conneticut the Irish Courts had started to become increasingly influenced by the "unenumerated rights" doctrine espoused by that court. A number of decisions such as Ryan v The Attorney General (linked) began to explore the concept of privacy and bodily integrity as unspecified rights which could be found in the Irish Constitution.

Then, in 1973 the US Supreme Court delivered its opinion in Roe v Wade. The decision turned on the concept of privacy and how a right to an abortion fell within that right under the 14th Amendment. In 1974 the Irish Supreme Court delivered it's judgment in McGee v The Attorney General which held that contraception for married couples could not be made illegal as it offended against the right to marital privacy.

This set alarm bells off among a small and rather fringe group of Irish Catholics who felt that the Irish Supreme Court was going to deliver its own version of Roe and legalise abortion despite the Irish court explicitly stating in a judgment that it would not and could not do so within the Irish constitutional framework. Nevertheless rumblings continued until, in 1981, the Pro-Life Amendment Campaign (PLAC) began a wide scale push for what would become the 8th amendment. The PLAC were formed to lobby Irish political parties in the run up to the 1981 election. This was Haughey's first election as Taoiseach off the back of Jack Lynch's historic 1977 victory. There was no way Haughey would hold an overall majority and so Labour, FG and FF all were desperate to grab any support they could. All three party leaders agreed to hold a referendum if elected. We all know what happened next.

So, from a US Supreme Court decision on abortion, through an Irish Supreme Court decision on condoms for a Loughshinny woman and her husband, via the paranoia of Christian lobbyists, we got the 8th Amendment.

[AndyFatBastard]

Would something like this not need a 60/40 vote in the senate? I know that in some of the guns stuff mentioned recently that they were trying to pass (symbolically because they knew it wouldn't happen) they needed a 60/40 vote to pass the senate, which wouldn't happen, and the same for the abortion stuff perhaps? I don't know what does and doesn't require it though.

However, I'd imagine that most reps are happy enough with states being allowed to legislate on this themselves.

East coast as far down as Virginia, and West coast states should secede from the union and leave the mentalers to look after themselves without all the money the blue states bring in. Obviously won't happen, but let them have their Gilead.

Alito's decision was that it's not the place of the Supreme Court to decide matters like abortion, that it should be left up to the individual states to decide for themselves. Alternatively the federal government should legislate what the States can and cannot do, and then the Supreme Court can then rule on the constitutionality of that legislation. The current crop of Dems haven't a hope of getting any laws like that passed, but abortions in the US will still only be a bus ride away for most. No doubt a future Republican government will try to pass a federal law banning abortion, which is equally unpopular, so really a constitutional amendment is needed to prevent that. That's where you need the supermajority in both houses.

[Strewelpeter]

The notice period for the above are as follows:

Length of Tenancy	Period of Notice
Less than 6 months	28 days
6 months or more, but less than 1 year	90 days
1 year or more but less than 3 years	120 days
3 years or more but less than 7 years	180 days
7 years or more but less than 8 years	196 days
8 or more years	224 days

Seems fair up to 3 years but anything less than a years notice after 7 years is very unfair on tenants IMO

[Emmet]

I think rd3 is asking if mates rates works in this situation.

Has anyone had a 'trusted' party in as a "Guardian" of the house and in return for a reduced rate reduce their claim over a full 'landlord tenant' relationship?

I do know of people on the other side of that deal absolutely fucking delighted with it, and because they were genuine and trustworthy they really did look after the gaf as if it were there own.

Think ultimately though they could have been a dick and enforced part v rights and locked in the landlord at the reduced rate. Big risk.

[6starpool]

Has anyone rented out their family home lately?
Obviously we would like to cover our mortgage\utilities etc while away but equally so, it is our family home (that we will have just pumped a lot of $$$ into) so more important not to have it fucked up by random peeps, or get into any kind of formal landlordism. So while we could probably get X on the open market, half of X would be acceptable if we knew it was being looked after and that we could move back without getting into any formal tenancy ending stuff.
Any tips?

On the 'getting it back' bit, here are some relevant things.

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- Property needed for landlord/family member

The landlord must provide a signed statutory declaration that they require the property back for their own or a family members use. If for a family member the notice must identify the person and their relationship to the landlord and the expected duration of the occupation. The notice must also inform you that should the property become available to rent again within 12 months then, providing you keep the landlord updated with your contact details you must be offered the tenancy back. You can use the template letter opposite to notify the landlord of your contact details within 28 days of the date of service of the notice and you should keep a record of this in case you need to take further action.
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The notice period for the above are as follows:

Length of Tenancy	Period of Notice
Less than 6 months	28 days
6 months or more, but less than 1 year	90 days
1 year or more but less than 3 years	120 days
3 years or more but less than 7 years	180 days
7 years or more but less than 8 years	196 days
8 or more years	224 days

In terms of not wrecking the gaff, if you are using a letting agent, given them guidelines on what type of renter you want, be it a family, a professional couple or whatever. When I did it a few years ago they gave me a few options. We could have rented it out for more to a series of shorter term tenants who come to work in IBM in Mulhuddart from India, but that increases volatility, which we don't want. Using a letting agent means they go around every 3 months (the one we use do anyway) and take photos. No guarantees though obviously. If you are going off books then unless you know them personally it's dicey legally as you should be registered with the RTB and the taxman.

[Mellor]

The effect of repealing the 8th amendment and overturning Roe were not the same. On a superficial level it might appear that way, but any nuanced understanding of the legal positions in both states would make it clear this was not the case.

See my reply to Laz. I was referring to the fact the repealing each defers the matter to state legislatures. The situations they are in are the same. The difference exists solely in prevailing attitudes of the incumbent government, not the action of repeal itself.
By all means explain if I’m overlooking something.

Obliviously the governments in question in the Red Centre are the polar opposites to Ireland 2018. The implication of Roe be very different in ~30 States. I don’t think that particularly nuanced tbh, it’s rather well publicised - and clearly not what I was referring to.

Interesting side note: the 8th amendment was suggested, campaigned for and passed by the electorate almost directly as a result of Roe v Wade.

I heard that before, but not sure if the actual connection. Was it simply a pre-emptive campaign?
Was there also a supreme court case that allowed condoms that scared the church?

[eamonhonda]

Proper New York slices of pizza, cracking stuff.

Great slice of pizza, but half the size and over twice the price of a new York slice. 50c extra for basil, honey etc. Can't support those prices when you think of the likes of sanos doing an Italian margarita for I think 8e.

[6starpool]

Whats the timeline?

Would something like this not need a 60/40 vote in the senate? I know that in some of the guns stuff mentioned recently that they were trying to pass (symbolically because they knew it wouldn't happen) they needed a 60/40 vote to pass the senate, which wouldn't happen, and the same for the abortion stuff perhaps? I don't know what does and doesn't require it though.

However, I'd imagine that most reps are happy enough with states being allowed to legislate on this themselves.

East coast as far down as Virginia, and West coast states should secede from the union and leave the mentalers to look after themselves without all the money the blue states bring in. Obviously won't happen, but let them have their Gilead.

[Ed]

If someone were commuting from Dundalk to Harcourt a couple of times a week and wanted to park their car for in a suburb before hopping on a bus/luas, where would they stow their car?

[Ed]

Chemical brothers did the same for cork I think

There was a lot of people kicking off about that but they ended up DJing at glastonbury, not doing their full show. Some of their touring crew got covid so couldn't put on the full live show in cork but were able to manage just the two of them playing records

[Raoul Duke III]

What colour is the house?

brick coloured

[Hectorjelly]

Bali are soon to have zero tax for foreign workers - https://www.euronews.com/travel/2022...sian%20country

I think the next 10 years will be interesting as countries like Ireland have to increasingly tax their ageing population and developing countries trying to entice offshore workers.

[DeadParrot]

absolutely love those girls

we were meant to see les amazones d'afrique in camden last night but they cancelled 2 weeks ago. they must have been invited last minute, but they were performing at glastonbury saturday night

Chemical brothers did the same for cork I think

[Ed]

Has anyone rented out their family home lately?
Obviously we would like to cover our mortgage\utilities etc while away but equally so, it is our family home (that we will have just pumped a lot of $$$ into) so more important not to have it fucked up by random peeps, or get into any kind of formal landlordism. So while we could probably get X on the open market, half of X would be acceptable if we knew it was being looked after and that we could move back without getting into any formal tenancy ending stuff.
Any tips?

What colour is the house?

[Hectorjelly]

On that note, a good structure should have a steady drip of players being eliminated. If a huge proportion of people are getting knocked out at one time something is wrong. A typical Fitz tourney years ago would have 1 person knocked in the first hour, and then half the field in 30 mins when the blinds doubled later on.

[Hectorjelly]

Dont agree with yoy there Dobby. Hard to improve this structure for a 1 day game. By way of example I wss ko'd in 41st out of 536 after 10 hours of reasonably stacked poker. I am sure the game had at least 7 more hours to a finish.
Anyhow great to have plenty of poker back(shoul have an IPB game in Sporting Emporium sometime)

Yeah I disagree as well, if a level doesn't have antes its just a waste of time. So many players think a good structure means a slow start, but its much more important to not rush the levels near the bubble/in the money.

[Raoul Duke III]

Has anyone rented out their family home lately?
Obviously we would like to cover our mortgage\utilities etc while away but equally so, it is our family home (that we will have just pumped a lot of $$$ into) so more important not to have it fucked up by random peeps, or get into any kind of formal landlordism. So while we could probably get X on the open market, half of X would be acceptable if we knew it was being looked after and that we could move back without getting into any formal tenancy ending stuff.
Any tips?

[Ed]

absolutely love those girls

we were meant to see les amazones d'afrique in camden last night but they cancelled 2 weeks ago. they must have been invited last minute, but they were performing at glastonbury saturday night

Saw them at Primavera this year and caught them a few years back at another festival, absolutely joyous stuff

[DeadParrot]

Wager?

Whats the timeline?

[Raoul Duke III]

I see Paul Reid finally jumped ship, i'd say the HSE will be some shitshow over the next 18 months.

SF will have it all sorted within 6 months of taking office

[Dice75]

I see Paul Reid finally jumped ship, i'd say the HSE will be some shitshow over the next 18 months.

[Kayroo]

Trump definitely on first name terms with his specific abortion doctor.

The thing I find most interesting that repealing Wade v Roe is largely heralded as a massive step back for society. Where as repealing the 8th in Ireland was largely seen as a massive step forward.

Whereas the effect of both moves was the exact same. I think that sums up the American problem as well as anything could.

The effect of repealing the 8th amendment and overturning Roe were not the same. On a superficial level it might appear that way, but any nuanced understanding of the legal positions in both states would make it clear this was not the case.

Interesting side note: the 8th amendment was suggested, campaigned for and passed by the electorate almost directly as a result of Roe v Wade.

[shrapnel]

Love the 1st AID KIT ladies . Missed them . Anyone see ?

the folk who see music as colours are those perfect pitch freaks. Heard a story of one chap at a meeting driven mad by a train a mile away screeching on the tracks one at C and one at C sharp and the dissonance. How true is anyones guess but id imagine it would kill your enjoyment of anything but concery pitch shows dunno . Relative pitch is enough

absolutely love those girls

we were meant to see les amazones d'afrique in camden last night but they cancelled 2 weeks ago. they must have been invited last minute, but they were performing at glastonbury saturday night

[The Aul Switcharoo]

yes i'm in but for sure if murdrum ( im sure a reg golfer ) wants in i can step down. Let me know murdrum just need to book the time off.

Yeah he probably couldn't get the time off anyway he said. Tried to get him to post but think it took too much of his time up

[Solksjaer!]

Ye ha well done Harrington. The fecking commentators willing him to miss last 3 holes

Eduardo Romero dead .

[Hitchhiker's Guide To...]

This third season of The Umbrella Academy is a bit of a return to form after a dodgy enough second season.

[MysteryGuest]

Kendrick Lamar shitting all over the fossil show from last night anyway

[Solksjaer!]

Have been enjoying loads of it, always do. Got back from the pub on Friday in time to see TLC which was a bit odd

Only real lowlight was when I first turned it on today and George Ezra was on. A lot of people claim to be able to see music as colours, if they see him as anything other than beige, medical intervention likely required.

Love the 1st AID KIT ladies . Missed them . Anyone see ?

the folk who see music as colours are those perfect pitch freaks. Heard a story of one chap at a meeting driven mad by a train a mile away screeching on the tracks one at C and one at C sharp and the dissonance. How true is anyones guess but id imagine it would kill your enjoyment of anything but concery pitch shows dunno . Relative pitch is enough

[Ed]

Really enjoying Glasto coverage. Jack White on at the moment. Unbelievable performance

Have been enjoying loads of it, always do. Got back from the pub on Friday in time to see TLC which was a bit odd

Only real lowlight was when I first turned it on today and George Ezra was on. A lot of people claim to be able to see music as colours, if they see him as anything other than beige, medical intervention likely required.

[Pat Mustard]

Really enjoying Glasto coverage. Jack White on at the moment. Unbelievable performance

[Solksjaer!]

Solks is in I think so there’s 1 spot left.

yes i'm in but for sure if murdrum ( im sure a reg golfer ) wants in i can step down. Let me know murdrum just need to book the time off.

[Solksjaer!]

The facepalm on the copper lol

[ArmaniJeans]

Galway Armagh was great fun, especially the brawl.
Some class penalties by Galway.

[DeeBrown]

Heading to Montana today for 4 rounds of golf over the next 3 days.

The place we are playing is called The Wilderness Club and meant to be magic.

Golf. Sunshine. Clean mountain air. Beer. Gambling. Bbq.

What more could ya want.

Wimmin???

Dependant on Montana's view
on Roe v Wade of course.

[Denny Crane]

Why bet on something you would absolutely HATE to see happen.

Because it would be great to bet against something that can't possibly happen

[Denny Crane]

Seems significant that he quoted stats from the National Right to Life Committee.

[Wombatman]

You have GOP senators calling out brown vs board of education as next target, gay marriage, gay relationships, right of privacy in the bedroom, contraceptives. Everytime is up for grabs with this supreme court. Its a clown show.

Never mind GOP senators. Justice Clarence Thomas in concurring stated "In future cases, we should reconsider all of this Court’s substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, & Obergefell."

Griswold was the landmark decision in which the court said that the constitution protects the right of married couples to buy and use contraception. Lawrence, which struck down a Texas sodomy law, made same-sex sexual activity legal. Obergefell said same-sex couples have the legal right to marry.

He is arguing that all decisions that previously fell under “due process precedents”, a concept he claims is an “oxymoron” that lacks any basis in the Constitution, are rubbish. But he could have done this without clearly calling out targets.

Oh it's on. Shocking how many right wing zealots, raised on a diet of Shapiro et. al, there are among the younger generation. Plenty here too. Hobgoblins.

[Mellor]

Repeal of Roe has the opposite affect of the 8th repeal.

Subsequent laws will have their own effects, many opposite. But I’m talking about the actual act of repealing Roe vrs repealing the 8th.

Roe was a SC judgement that protected the right to abortion. Without it, abortion law can be regulated by the states.
The 8th was a constitutional amendment that blocked abortion. Without it, abortion law can be regulated by the state.

When the 8th was repealed, the state soon after brought in regulations on abortion. Which is exactly what’s going to happen in America now. I think the fact America being presented with the same opportunity as Ireland, is viewed so negatively. Is the perfect summary of how screwed up America is right now.

[Theresa]

If there's still space I'll play. I'll ask Murdrum. He doesn't really lurk anymore even. The slow website last year tilted him

Solks is in I think so there’s 1 spot left.

[Theresa]

Heading to Montana today for 4 rounds of golf over the next 3 days.

The place we are playing is called The Wilderness Club and meant to be magic.

Golf. Sunshine. Clean mountain air. Beer. Gambling. Bbq.

What more could ya want.