Damo, do you know the player they are talking about? I wouldn't hesitate myself, WP Eoughan.
As for Rooney, I think he would deffo score 17 goals in 35 games, saying he's never done it in his career is lol, he is only 25 and hasn't even peaked yet imo. This season obviously stuff going on. He'll come back firing. I didn't do the bet at 17 as it's too effected.
No willie i dont know the player in question and i dont think i know Eoghan either .
But i also dont think it matters who the player is , it could be DBC for all i care . It still doesn't make it right in my eyes and that's not gonna change.
Would you like it if this was you , so drunk that you dont know what you are doing and someone being allowed to take advantage of your state .
I just think it is so wrong on so many levels and and i think neither the op or the dealer have any morals to let this happen .
I also think it reflects badly on the fitz .
Yes of course we all want drunk degens at the table ,but not in such a state that they have absolutely no comprehension of what they are doing .
Yes by all means teach this guy a lesson by taking his money tonite and send him on his merry way , but leave his money with the club to be returned to him .
Im sorry Tony it's not a level . Im just glad i have morals .
Hey but thats just my opinion .
Srysly, what?
Nothing wrong happened in that hand whatsoever. One person played pretty sh1t.
The guy in question isn't mentally retarded, it's his progitive to sit into the game drunk.
Some people treat drunkness as a disability, it's not.
I've rarely done money drunk however I have at times lost a sh1t lot online when steaming after real life sh1t is clouding my mind. No one sh1ps me back cash for it, nor should they.
Do you think if the guy in question shoves allin with any two the next hand and felts our hero, he is going to ship back the cash, or should?
Because if not, you best sit out of any game where someone is drunk, because it is a losing proposition. You can only lose money to them and not win.
X can be anything, any number, that is what’s CRAZY about X.
Because X doesn’t roll like that, because X can’t be pinned down!
No willie i dont know the player in question and i dont think i know Eoghan either .
But i also dont think it matters who the player is , it could be DBC for all i care . It still doesn't make it right in my eyes and that's not gonna change.
Fair nuff so. I think I've some scruples myself but I'm a firm believer in an eye for an eye. (no pun intended)
The guy was compos mentis enough to checkraise the flop with top pair.
So he's not completely out of it, he knows he's in a casino, playing hold'em.
I've seen drunken people who literally have no idea who/where they are, only the vaguest idea they are playing poker, needing to be cattle- prodded awake when its their turn. I wouldn't play against anyone that bad, but Eoghans opponent sounds fair game.
Fair nuff so. I think I've some scruples myself but I'm a firm believer in an eye for an eye. (no pun intended)
Im lost as to why people think this is anything to do with scrupples!
As was said above Damo you just shouldnt play poker with drunk people. I hope Im not at your table in the IPB game as I am planning on having a few beers and wouldn't want you to feel bad!
No willie i dont know the player in question and i dont think i know Eoghan either .
But i also dont think it matters who the player is , it could be DBC for all i care . It still doesn't make it right in my eyes and that's not gonna change.
but then that raises the point - who are you comfortable taking money off?
1. the degen gambler who has a big problem
2. the busto student who cant afford to be there
3. the oriental gambly types
4. people who play for a living
5. drunks
6. rich fish only learning the game
7. the recreational guy that everyone likes
point is once you sit down at the table you no longer become a person. you are merely a decision making machine that has money to be wagered. In order to be successful (and Im not) you need to be a cold motha fooker. at the end of the day the money is all that matters. its not a nice reality but anyone that claims different is just kidding themselves. you need to be able to take the money from the drunks with just as clear a conscience as you would take it from phil Ivey
Damo, do you know the player they are talking about? I wouldn't hesitate myself, WP Eoughan.
As for Rooney, I think he would deffo score 17 goals in 35 games, saying he's never done it in his career is lol, he is only 25 and hasn't even peaked yet imo. This season obviously stuff going on. He'll come back firing. I didn't do the bet at 17 as it's too effected.
25 is not young. The likes of Higuain, Villa, Ronaldo have been doing it consistantly from there early 20's. In the same breathe plenty of world class strikers were winding down at Rooney's age- Fat Ronaldo, Owen, Fowler. I'm not saying Rooney isn't a fantastic player but as far as being a free scoring striker he's no more prolific than Darren Bent who played for far worse teams than United.
Srysly, what?
Nothing wrong happened in that hand whatsoever. One person played pretty sh1t.
The guy in question isn't mentally retarded, it's his progitive to sit into the game drunk.
Some people treat drunkness as a disability, it's not.
I've rarely done money drunk however I have at times lost a sh1t lot online when steaming after real life sh1t is clouding my mind. No one sh1ps me back cash for it, nor should they.
Do you think if the guy in question shoves allin with any two the next hand and felts our hero, he is going to ship back the cash, or should?
Because if not, you best sit out of any game where someone is drunk, because it is a losing proposition. You can only lose money to them and not win.
This.
When you go out and get locked you have to be aware of the potential risks you're taking, and I'd say the majority of people in this thread have done a fair amount of loots drunk at least once.
In one period of it happening too regularly I'd head out with enough cash to cover my night out and leave my card at home, thus preventing me from playing drunk. It's my fault to go in to a casino drunk, and I fully expect to be exploited.
I would have issue with the casinos though. I've seen some people in the Jackpot who couldn't sit, let alone stand, constantly going back and forth to the ATM and losing another 50. Someone in that state shouldn't be allowed in IMO, but once they are in it's fair game.
What if someone came to the table Shitfaced hit everything going and cleans all round him, Should he payback the dough next day or leave it at the desk?
25 is not young. The likes of Higuain, Villa, Ronaldo have been doing it consistantly from there early 20's. In the same breathe plenty of world class strikers were winding down at Rooney's age- Fat Ronaldo, Owen, Fowler. I'm not saying Rooney isn't a fantastic player but as far as being a free scoring striker he's no more prolific than Darren Bent who played for far worse teams than United.
lol
Higuan, Ronaldo, Villa. Hmm, I think even Heskey would kknock in 30 goals playing for their teams I've made my point .
25 is young. You may have examples of players who made a fortune and wound down their own game but my point is.
He is young at 25, enthusiatic about the game, is still learning his trade and WILL (firmly believe) be back to his free scoring ways. I've said 17 goals in 35 games which I think is free scoring and I said I'll accept that bet under those terms. My money is where my mouth is for anyone who wants to take the bet. 1st come etc.
lol
Higuan, Ronaldo, Villa. Hmm, I think even Heskey would kknock in 30 goals playing for their teams I've made my point .
25 is young. You may have examples of players who made a fortune and wound down their own game but my point is.
He is young at 25, enthusiatic about the game, is still learning his trade and WILL (firmly believe) be back to his free scoring ways. I've said 17 goals in 35 games which I think is free scoring and I said I'll accept that bet under those terms. My money is where my mouth is for anyone who wants to take the bet. 1st come etc.
It's a stupid bet. I could be well into 2012 by the time Rooney gets another 35 premier league starts under his belt giving his injury proneness of late. There isn't a huge amount of value at 17/35 at evs either.
Fun Cash session in the Fitz on Sunday night/Monday morning.
I was locked going in about 3am and am up and down like a yoyo. Then Cooney sits down twisted as proceeds to just give his money away! It was major fun!
Highlight hand of the night.....
On a flop of A Q 10r I bet 15 with KJ and coo check raises to 45. I just call.
Turn Q and he bets 125 while throwing up his A2. He is quite distracted by something and not paying attention. I call.
River Blank and he has no option but check as cards are shown. I bet the pot (270) and he throws in about 20 euro which is of course a call. Still distracted the dealer takes 270 out of his bundle of chips and ships me the pot! Easy game.
Had seen him at the bar in the Burlington on that night and he did look fairly well on.
It's a stupid bet. I could be well into 2012 by the time Rooney gets another 35 premier league starts under his belt giving his injury proneness of late. There isn't a huge amount of value at 17/35 at evs either.
Value? I'm saying he will score 17 goals at least in 35 games , making a point that I think he'll score that amount of goals. Raouls asked me the question. I stipulated he will if he plays. However for this season so far it's effected by other issues, I'm saying from here on he will be back to his scoring ways. You are saying he won't SO if I say 17 and you don't think there is value. You are admitting he'll be close and so countering you own argument that he won't be a prolific goal scorer. 1 every 2 games is prolific imo.
As to your points on Fat Ronaldo and Owen, both were seriously effected by Injurys in their career. A fit Owen would score 20+ a season even today.
Ronaldo, messi etc are the exception NOT the rule! Performing to that level at any age under 24/25 consistently is not the usual thing. Not by a long shot.
People put far too much pressure on young players these days. If your not the next big thing you're immediately written off. It's bad practice IMO. Naturally, players don't reach a peak physically anyway until 27-30.
25 is still young.
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I have lost plenty while being under the influence and also won plenty in the same state . I have also left tables where someone that is loaded is allowed to play. Now when i say loaded i mean they are beyond comprehension and have absolutely no clue as to whats going on .
I just think in this case that Eoghan conscientiously took advantage of someone in a very bad state of mind and the dealer let it happen .
Also the dealer has no right to go into anyones stack and take chips from them without their knowledge .
Did the dealer make this person aware of what was happening .
Did the player say call
If the player didnt say call then he is not commited to put in a further €270 without being given the proper info in order to make the decision for himself.
Anyway as i said earlier this is just my opinion which i am entitled to have and thats not gonna change . And if i do have the pleasure of sharing a table with a drunken Eoghan at the IPB game i will gladfully take your chips if luck falls my way .
Matter closed for me now and i am happy in the thought that i am a much better person than most of you thieving angle shooting no moral degen's .
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Got my tickets 3 months ago, should be a good night
Didn't even know it was on - had a mini-freak-attack when I stumbled across the thread on boards with some guy saying there were only five tickets left
If the player didnt say call then he is not commited to put in a further €270 without being given the proper info in order to make the decision for himself.
You are entitled to your opinion but this is just wrong.
He threw in a chip, it's a call.
X can be anything, any number, that is what’s CRAZY about X.
Because X doesn’t roll like that, because X can’t be pinned down!
So the NBA season starts tonight. First game is a mouthwatering clash between the Celtics and the Heat.
Robbed from NBA.com:
"LeBron James' opener with Miami after seven seasons in Cleveland. Wade's first time with James and Chris Bosh as his Heat running mates. Shaquille O'Neal - once a teammate to both Wade and James - playing his first game in Celtics' colors. Paul Pierce, Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett motivated by a Game 7 loss to the Lakers in last season's finals. Miami's new Big 3 vs. Boston's not-so-new Big 3. Oh, and the small fact that Wade and James were both ousted from the playoffs by Boston last spring, defeats that helped along their decision to play with one another."
ESPN and Marvel have teamed up to celebrate the start of the season and produced some pretty amazing artwork.
And just in case the poor Cleveland fans haven't suffered enough:
On a side note, I wasn't aware the Walt Disney company owned ESPN. Slowly but surely they're taking over the world.
You are entitled to your opinion but this is just wrong.
He threw in a chip, it's a call.
He might have thought he was actually betting, not calling (this can happen to non-drunk people also). The dealer should ABSOLUTELY clarify what his intended action is, and not go into his stack uninvited.
It might be cool winning easy money off drunk people (you can just as easily lose money to them), it's just not very cool to gloat about it.
He might have thought he was actually betting, not calling (this can happen to non-drunk people also). The dealer should ABSOLUTELY clarify what his intended action is, and not go into his stack uninvited.
It might be cool winning easy money off drunk people (you can just as easily lose money to them), it's just not very cool to gloat about it.
It's very player dependent. Your man Cooney regularly large stacks the big PLO game in the Fitz and by all acounts has been killing it for years, I don't think there's any harm in Eoghan gloating about this. If it was a busto student who withdrew his last few Euro from his bank account and clearly wasn't rolled for the game I don't think Eoghan would have posted it.
i was in vegas a few years ago playing the blackjack and was doing fairly good, sitting at a $25 table one night with about 4 other players when these two guys come up and don't even bother sitting down one of them is wearing an overcoat and is very drunk to the point it is hard to understand him and his mate is no better. so the guy in the overcoat puts his hands in his pocket and pulls out about 3k in $200 dollar chips and puts 3 of them up for cards the dealer calls over the pit manager and asks if it is ok for him to play these stakes and the manager nods. he promptly looses the 3k and then pulls out 4 $500 chips and they dissappear as quick as a flash. his mate then says c'mon lets go, but he says no wait and asks the dealer to call over the pit manager. pit manager comes over he whispers something in the pit managers ear he gets his supervisor who takes one look at him and nods the pit manager produces a form drunk guy signs and the dealer ships him 20K in $500 chips. that vanishes at an alarming rate and the whole procedure happens again, and he looses it again. on the third time he asks the dealer to call the manager she pleads with him to go and to not be stupid, it was plain to be seen that he was making stupid plays calling for extra cards when he had 17/18. this was repeated a few more times before the pit manager finally refused him any more credit and he wobbled off on his merry way.
obviously after he left the conversation at the table turned to what we had witnessed when we asked the dealer how much he had lost she said that he had lost 118k.
i shit you not when i tell you all this took 20-30minutes to happen from start to finish.
tl: dr:
Damo
don't go vegas
"Remember the time he ate my goldfish? And you lied and said I never had goldfish. Then why did I have the bowl, Bart? Why did I have the bowl?"
So the NBA season starts tonight. First game is a mouthwatering clash between the Celtics and the Heat.
Robbed from NBA.com:
"LeBron James' opener with Miami after seven seasons in Cleveland. Wade's first time with James and Chris Bosh as his Heat running mates. Shaquille O'Neal - once a teammate to both Wade and James - playing his first game in Celtics' colors. Paul Pierce, Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett motivated by a Game 7 loss to the Lakers in last season's finals. Miami's new Big 3 vs. Boston's not-so-new Big 3. Oh, and the small fact that Wade and James were both ousted from the playoffs by Boston last spring, defeats that helped along their decision to play with one another."
Sounds like a good season. I used to love the NBA in the mid-90s when I used to play basketball myself. Went to tons of Raptors games between 1998 and 2001 and had a drink with Doug Christie at Skydome in 98. Of all the sports I've been to, NBA games are the most fun. Was at one game where Tracey Murray hit a 3 at the buzzer to beat the Suns and it was subsequently waved off for being too late...The place went bananas as Vince Carter had scored 51 points in the game and it was the first nationally televised game in Canada.
I miss all the old guys. Seems like its all about the attitude these days. Where are the guys who look like they were plucked from an investment bank and put in an NBA uniform!
i was in vegas a few years ago playing the blackjack and was doing fairly good, sitting at a $25 table one night with about 4 other players when these two guys come up and don't even bother sitting down one of them is wearing an overcoat and is very drunk to the point it is hard to understand him and his mate is no better. so the guy in the overcoat puts his hands in his pocket and pulls out about 3k in $200 dollar chips and puts 3 of them up for cards the dealer calls over the pit manager and asks if it is ok for him to play these stakes and the manager nods. he promptly looses the 3k and then pulls out 4 $500 chips and they dissappear as quick as a flash. his mate then says c'mon lets go, but he says no wait and asks the dealer to call over the pit manager. pit manager comes over he whispers something in the pit managers ear he gets his supervisor who takes one look at him and nods the pit manager produces a form drunk guy signs and the dealer ships him 20K in $500 chips. that vanishes at an alarming rate and the whole procedure happens again, and he looses it again. on the third time he asks the dealer to call the manager she pleads with him to go and to not be stupid, it was plain to be seen that he was making stupid plays calling for extra cards when he had 17/18. this was repeated a few more times before the pit manager finally refused him any more credit and he wobbled off on his merry way.
obviously after he left the conversation at the table turned to what we had witnessed when we asked the dealer how much he had lost she said that he had lost 118k.
i shit you not when i tell you all this took 20-30minutes to happen from start to finish.
tl: dr:
Damo
don't go vegas
Casinos are well known for planting these types of shills to break the rhythm of a losing (for the house) table.
It's very player dependent. Your man Cooney regularly large stacks the big PLO game in the Fitz and by all acounts has been killing it for years, I don't think there's any harm in Eoghan gloating about this. If it was a busto student who withdrew his last few Euro from his bank account and clearly wasn't rolled for the game I don't think Eoghan would have posted it.
Anybody see the last Pokerstars Big Game episode? Well Tony G and especially DN were way outta line with Andrew Robl. Here is a blog Robl wrote where he completely tears Daniel apart, which is completely deserved because hes a snippy arrogant little man these days, wp Andrew.
Anybody see the last Pokerstars Big Game episode? Well Tony G and especially DN were way outta line with Andrew Robl. Here is a blog Robl wrote where he completely tears Daniel apart, which is completely deserved because hes a snippy arrogant little man these days, wp Andrew.
Big Game with Daniel Negreanu
good2cu, 26.10.2010 05:34
I recently played on the PokerStars Big Game. For those of you who haven't seen the episode, I was constantly and consistently abused by both Tony G and Daniel Negreanu from the moment I sat down. At the time I did not mind at all to be honest - I was just happy to be in a game with Daniel and Tony G.
Since the episode both Tony G has blogged about it and Daniel N has talked about it on 2p2 (added below).
I consider Tony G a friend of mine. He is quick-witted, charming, funny and extremely intelligent, and one of the most successful businessmen in the poker industry. Away from the cameras he is also a gentleman. But when the cameras come up he Hams it up big time. I don't mind as it makes for some entertaining TV and most of the time it's in good fun.
With that said he was totally out of line to call the clock on me in the hand vs Daniel. If i remember correctly he called it in under a minute - and with the amount of money at stake I consider it totally out of line.
Can you imagine what would of happened if the situations were reserved and Tony G called the clock on Daniel after one minute? Production and the floor would never let that fly.
I'm not sure if it affected my decision but I think players should have more than 30 seconds to think before having the clock called on them in big pots.
As far as Daniel claiming I took a long time to think on every decision - this is simply untrue. Prior to the hand vs him and Tony G I did not take over 30 seconds to make any decisions. I personally feel Daniel has a personal vendetta against me and is trying to justify his attacks on me with half true facts and I feel I need to defend myself.
Daniel was one of my childhood heros. I read every strategy article he ever wrote and found them humorous and insightful. And when I first met him a few years ago I was amazed at how down to earth and humble he was - he was the real deal.
I saw him and talked to him recently at WSOP Europe - and he apologized for what he said on the big game and said he wasn't attacking me and it wasn't personal. Then he goes on 2+2 and basically attacks me (at least this is how I feel).
After the last few years since I met Daniel, I can no longer say I see him as humble and down to earth. Which is ironic because during these years I feel that the game of poker has passed him by. The moment he sits down in a game online - at any stakes - the game instantly fills with a 20 person waitlist. More than that pros (both online and live) constantly lick their chops when he is at their table in both tournaments and cash games (I hear the talk).
He has realized this and he has worked hard on his game over the past year - vastly improving it, and I applaud him for that. But with that said any 5/10 NL online grinder would still run circles around him. Which is fine, if I was as rich and famous as him (he is probably the most famous poker pro), I wouldn't spend much time working on my poker game either. But I also wouldn't belittle and berate the people who have to grind it out for a living. Remember your roots bro?
As for Daniel's comments about me wasting productions time and money - I feel this needs to be addressed:
On the first season of the Big Game I was a backup alternate. This consisted of me being basically on call to play on any day they needed me. I was thanked for doing this - told I looked great on TV and was promised I would get a slot (not as an alternate) on the next season of the show. Two days before the show started I received a call from production saying that unfortunately they weren't able to get me the starting slot they promised - but they would like it if i was available to be on call to be an alternate all week.
Side Note: In between the first and second season I beat Daniel for over 150k online at 100/200NL online..
This was not what I wanted - and I felt a little bit disappointed. But I still wanted to play on the show and was happy to help out in anyway I could. They offered me $160 in tournament tokens a day to sit on sat and wait to play in case 2+ people busted. I told them that I would lose a significant amount of money in opportunity cost if I missed playing online for a week to sit on the set, but I would still like to help and play on the show. So they comped me a room at South Point (where the game is filmed), and I happily waited around for a week to fill any vacant slot - which I got to do on this episode. I rearranged my schedule at the last minute so they wouldn't run out of players and was happy to do so. But now suggesting wasted productions time and money - come on.
As for not straddling - whenever Daniel gets stuck he goads everyone in the game into straddling. I personally feel that Daniel is a tilter and plays much worse when stuck. I dispute his claims that straddling is good for the game. It does create bigger pots - after all the stakes are doubled but it also halves effective stacks - making the game less strategically deep. More than that it also makes certain players play tighter as the stakes are significantly higher and the money means more to them. I think all of these things are not only bad for me - but bad for the game.
If he really thinks straddling is great for the game why doesn't he just make it mandatory? This would be more fair to everyone that is playing as they would know before hand they were playing 400/800 instead of 200/400, and could get more money together accordingly. If you watch other episodes and HSP - he only tries to get everyone to straddle when he's stuck.
I think many players who play on TV agree with me - but they are afraid to stand up to someone like Daniel who is a poker icon - and who has a lot of say about who gets on some shows. After all he flat out says if you don't straddle you won't be invited back.
As far as not not splashing around like it's play money - like him and Tony do - I don't apologize for that. During hands I think deeply and analytically about my opponents hand ranges, their bet sizes, how'd they react to various bet sizes, psychology etc. I know that many of the players on the show don't do this - but I am playing my own money, and if I don't win at poker I can't pay my bills. I feel that it's my right when playing sky-high stakes to have ample time to try and make the correct decision.
I also agree with Daniel that it's more fun to play against people like Tony G who have a VPIP of 80% and a 3bet of 40% or Daniel who has a VPIP of 50%. And I'd certainly invite these players to a private game over players who play like me. But simply because of the fact that they have the style of losing players.
With that said I understand Daniel not wanting me on the show, when he has to play against players who actually earn their living playing poker - not poker personalities - he is laughably outclassed - and ends up looking quite bad.
I think the production team on the Big Game has done a great job putting tog other an entertaining and action packed show and I thank them for getting a chance to play. But I think after this blog post - the chances of me playing again are quite slim.
So, Daniel, since it's unlikely I'll be able to earn money playing on the Big Game in the future, please start playing again online. I need to line my pockets somehow.
Is there a way I can trace a number that I've gotten a missed call from?
Like a reverse search of the telephone book kind of thing?
get the telephone book and start reading through the numbers, when you find the one that matches the one you want, then look across the page from left to right and read the name and address.
simples
"Remember the time he ate my goldfish? And you lied and said I never had goldfish. Then why did I have the bowl, Bart? Why did I have the bowl?"
People say I should be more humble I hope they understand, they don't listen when you mumble
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I presume everyone else is saving links to every post of Icarus' that they would typically thank so that they can all go back and thank them all when his account is eventually fixed?
I'd hate to think that he might miss out.
X can be anything, any number, that is what’s CRAZY about X.
Because X doesn’t roll like that, because X can’t be pinned down!
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. that vanishes at an alarming rate and the whole procedure happens again, and he looses it again. on the third time he asks the dealer to call the manager she pleads with him to go and to not be stupid, it was plain to be seen that he was making stupid plays calling for extra cards when he had 17/18. this was repeated a few more times before the pit manager finally refused him any more credit and he wobbled off on his merry way. 
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