Bad beat/Moaning/Venting thread - Wordle Gummidge

[Hitchhiker's Guide To...]

There's different levels of reading. Skimming a newspaper for entertainment, vs people who might spend hours on a single passage of the Talmud.

Meditations is on the list. Someone could probably read that in a few hours. But they would get little of the value. A book a week suggests the goal is to tick off the books, rather than actually consuming them.

No more than you would prepare for an exam by doing a single read through of lecture notes. Or watch the top 100 movies on IMDb on 2x speed.

A book a week isn't too much, is it? 300 pages on average, 50 pages a day. Feel that's not that much of a stretch?

[Hitchhiker's Guide To...]

Normally publish about four research papers a year. 2023 is the first year in about seven years I've no papers 'in the bag' - accepted in the previous year, but due for actual publication in the current year. Going to be a bit of a push to get the year concluding in successful fashion.

[zuutroy]

I've 1.5 in the 2023 bank. Quite a poor return from my senior PhD students meaning only about 2 in the pipeline too. Usually get on a couple by doing a small amount of work for someone else....I try for around 6 a year overall. Think I posted before but it got deleted, but one of the grants I got means I've got several training days on 'evidence based entrepreneurship' and other things I don't give a flying flute about. Do they not realise that many academics could just go elsewhere and earn 2x if that was what they cared about?

[Micknail]

I went on twitter for about 10 minutes reading some of this and then some Graham Linehan stuff hit my timeline. Curiosity got the better of me and then I noped the fuck out of chrome. Too much internet for coillcam today.

I'd have a similar take on him/that stuff to CCollies take, That Glinner isnt exactly wrong on lots of his points, but my god the way he goes about hounding people over it is over the top a lot of the time.
Wouldn't be far off classing him as on the spectrum / having a mental breakdown, but to be fair the vast majority of the comebacks against him just seem to be "lol your wife left you".

[Wombatman]

Most copious readers I know have problems with knowledge retention and application from their readings. Some can't tell you a single thing about book they read a year ago, not even the proper title or authors name.

This turns reading into an enjoyable pass time with as much merit as binge watching Netflix or playing Madden. Thankfully you don't get the same amount of wankery attached to these pursuits.

[Murdrum]

I assume we’ll be moving on to our Poker goals for 2023 any minute now.

[Hitchhiker's Guide To...]

Most copious readers I know have problems with knowledge retention and application from their readings. Some can't tell you a single thing about book they read a year ago, not even the proper title or authors name.

This turns reading into an enjoyable pass time with as much merit as binge watching Netflix or playing Madden. Thankfully you don't get the same amount of wankery attached to these pursuits.

Not really sure there are many nonfiction books that you would want to take more than two or three points from, so why would you waste your time remembering the peripheral stuff. E.g. am reading a book at the moment on how to write nonfiction - key points from the first 100 pages: keep cutting cutting cutting superfluous words, think about the one thing you want the reader to remember from each chapter, have a strong opener.

There's loads more content, but thats just what you consider while you are reading as your mind wanders to thinking about what the book means to your context, its not for remembering. Its that opportunity for your mind to wander and to apply the reading to yourself that is the most valuable aspect of reading nonfiction. No-one should be reading with a view to subsequently being interrogated in the big black chair by MasterWombatMind

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well thats cool

[zuutroy]

key points from the first 100 pages: keep cutting cutting cutting superfluous words, think about the one thing you want the reader to remember from each chapter, have a strong opener.

FYP

[dobby]

I assume we’ll be moving on to our Poker goals for 2023 any minute now.

Same as last year. One modest goal, qualify for the Irish Open.

I didn't get there last year but qualified for the IPO main, Mystery Bounty at the IPO, Killarney festival main and ended the year in Vegas playing a 10k event and chopped my last game of the year for 1k each in the Bonnington so can't complain really. Won a shed load of tickets for online games too so was worth the time invested in reading Dokes book a few times.

I only started doing any kind of learning about the game last April and pretty much only played satellites online, preferring to play a few times a month in the bonnington so the goals will remain modest for the time being.

[Opr]

Who cares, you have no free will, you are just an instrument of situations without the awareness to let them play you properly while blowing toward whatever random thought pops into your head from moment to moment which arise entirely without any conscious control that you may believe exists

[6starpool]

I assume we’ll be moving on to our Poker goals for 2023 any minute now.

My poker goals are to play 10x as many hands in 2023 compared to 2022.

What's 10 x 0 again?

[zuutroy]

I played about 110k hands of cash since taking it up again around May.....up to just over €900 from my initial €25. Savage hourly rate! Enjoying the solver era from a study/theory point of view. Would like to play live tournaments occasionally but I don't have the commitment to learn push/fold/call ranges for all the different depths from the different positions, as well as all the ICM stuff.

[Degag]

Outside of the Dublin metro area, I doubt we see any meaningful change in transport modes. People will continue to drive everywhere in fossil fuel burners.
And the local gombeen politicos will fully cater to this.

Of course they will, apart from upgrading to hybrid, electric, but that will take time to play through. People outside of cities don't have any choice, public transport is woeful.

I sometimes feel city dwellers, especially those in Dublin, don't grasp this. You have an unreal structure, comparatively speaking. Buses, Luas, Dart, plenty of taxis (again comparatively speaking) all available at all times of the day/night, with Metro to come.

We have buses, that might come to within 10 miles of your doorstep if you are lucky.

Any Eamon Ryan's great solution was to carshare

[dinekes]

Who cares, you have no free will, you are just an instrument of situations without the awareness to let them play you properly while blowing toward whatever random thought pops into your head from moment to moment which arise entirely without any conscious control that you may believe exists

That's my response to pretty much everything these days.
Attention span of a....hey look!..a dog with a fluffy tail!!

[dinekes]

Stuck the head out the door to see if I could catch a glimpse of the Mars/Moon conjunction.
ME: (shaking fist heavenward) " goddamn x#####&# clouds"
Curtain twitchers "better call 911, he's definitely lost it this time"

[dobby]

I played about 110k hands of cash since taking it up again around May.....up to just over €900 from my initial €25. Savage hourly rate! Enjoying the solver era from a study/theory point of view. Would like to play live tournaments occasionally but I don't have the commitment to learn push/fold/call ranges for all the different depths from the different positions, as well as all the ICM stuff.

I found playing was a far better way to learn those ranges. I did read dokes ICM book and have a push/fold chart saved on my phone but learning while playing was definitely better for me at this early stage.

5 nights of affordable buy ins in the bonnington so surely something for you to jump into once in a while.

[Hitchhiker's Guide To...]

Any Eamon Ryan's great solution was to carshare

Carsharing is a great idea. Works wonders in France, which has all the same rural areas. Bla bla Cars - type any single route in there and you'll find a lift. We seem to assume these people are idiots - they have teams of policy makers looking to see what works elsewhere and trying to work out the best way to implement it here, he's not just speaking off the top of his head. Same with his wolves idea and same with the opposition to cruise ships and how it would be great to have micro-plots of salad on the windowsill. These are ideas that have worked elsewhere. He's a smart guy. Actually most of the current crop of politicians seem to be rather smart, which is quite a change from past generations.

[Raoul Duke III]

Actually most of the current crop of politicians seem to be rather smart, which is quite a change from past generations.

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[dinekes]

Carsharing is a great idea. Works wonders in France, which has all the same rural areas. Bla bla Cars - type any single route in there and you'll find a lift. We seem to assume these people are idiots - they have teams of policy makers looking to see what works elsewhere and trying to work out the best way to implement it here, he's not just speaking off the top of his head. Same with his wolves idea and same with the opposition to cruise ships and how it would be great to have micro-plots of salad on the windowsill. These are ideas that have worked elsewhere. He's a smart guy. Actually most of the current crop of politicians seem to be rather smart, which is quite a change from past generations.

Love the idea of wolves in the ecosystem They were reintroduced to Yellowstone Park a while back (20 years?) and transformed it for the better in so many ways even affecting the course of rivers (beavers returning to the ecosystem) ...think Laz posted a link to it a while back

I enjoyed Shaun Ellis's book "The man who lived with wolves"
Beautiful animals, intelligent and well organised from the Alpha (makes the decisions) through to Beta (enforcer) and through to a peacemaker for dispute resolution

Deer population getting out of hand here too.

Edit And the annoying kids population for that matter

[Degag]

Carsharing is a great idea. Works wonders in France, which has all the same rural areas. Bla bla Cars - type any single route in there and you'll find a lift. We seem to assume these people are idiots - they have teams of policy makers looking to see what works elsewhere and trying to work out the best way to implement it here, he's not just speaking off the top of his head. Same with his wolves idea and same with the opposition to cruise ships and how it would be great to have micro-plots of salad on the windowsill. These are ideas that have worked elsewhere. He's a smart guy. Actually most of the current crop of politicians seem to be rather smart, which is quite a change from past generations.

Idealistically it's a great idea but for the most part unworkable for most people. Even if two people from the same area who then work in the same area, they are unlikely to start and finish at the same time. They will have errands to run before or after, kids to collect etc. Idealistically good, practically bad.

[Wombatman]

Who cares, you have no free will, you are just an instrument of situations without the awareness to let them play you properly while blowing toward whatever random thought pops into your head from moment to moment which arise entirely without any conscious control that you may believe exists

About 95% of the thoughts you had today, you also had yesterday.

[Raoul Duke III]

About 95% of the thoughts you had today, you also had yesterday.

Beards are the last refuge of the balding.

[Raoul Duke III]

Solid entertainment going on in Congress right now.

[zuutroy]

I found playing was a far better way to learn those ranges. I did read dokes ICM book and have a push/fold chart saved on my phone but learning while playing was definitely better for me at this early stage.

5 nights of affordable buy ins in the bonnington so surely something for you to jump into once in a while.

Yea would like to go more but I'm a creature of the day so the late finishes put me off. I played there once on a Saturday afternoon and there was a bit of grimness about it.

[Degag]

Scenes in the darts. Van Gerwen misses D12 for a 9darter. Smith steps up and takes out 141 for a 9darter of his own.

[Hitchhiker's Guide To...]

Yea would like to go more but I'm a creature of the day so the late finishes put me off. I played there once on a Saturday afternoon and there was a bit of grimness about it.

Felt there was a good vibe to that Sunday tournie there. The one starting at 4pm. Nice mix of people.

[dobby]

Yea would like to go more but I'm a creature of the day so the late finishes put me off. I played there once on a Saturday afternoon and there was a bit of grimness about it.

I've only played that Saturday game once I think. Maybe twice. The one I play every week is the Friday night. 70 quid in, 50k stack and 15min clock so it trucks along nicely. Finished around 2am so not too late for a Friday. And you'll definitely learn your push/fold ranges in such a structure!!

I think Brian and the lads have done a great job with the club, given its location and general grimness of the hotel. After being apprehensive initially, I actually enjoy the friendly vibe in there that they've created.

[Raoul Duke III]

Solid entertainment going on in Congress right now.

The Republicans are an absolute shambles. Can't get their sole candidate for Speaker confirmed, three consecutive votes lost as their lunatic fringe votes against their own man.

Wildly unprecedented madness that just confirms the GOP has zero interest in governing.

[Hitchhiker's Guide To...]

Idealistically it's a great idea but for the most part unworkable for most people. Even if two people from the same area who then work in the same area, they are unlikely to start and finish at the same time. They will have errands to run before or after, kids to collect etc. Idealistically good, practically bad.

Exact same as France. The way they make it work through is that you are allowed to charge a small amount to cover costs and its non-taxable. Sorts out loads of extra people. They've about 70m passengers a year. Won't sort out everyone obv, but, does solve a definite need. Car journeys are rather predictable. Most trips from a village are to the nearest town etc etc.

[Tar.Aldarion]

A book a week isn't too much, is it? 300 pages on average, 50 pages a day. Feel that's not that much of a stretch?

It's not a lot at all, I read a book yesterday, I think the other 6 days would be enough to reflect haha. We only have a certain amount of years to live, what are people only going to read 100 books for the rest of their life? my brother reads that many a year, conversations with him are amazing with insights and thoughts just from the books he's read.

[Degag]

Exact same as France. The way they make it work through is that you are allowed to charge a small amount to cover costs and its non-taxable. Sorts out loads of extra people. They've about 70m passengers a year. Won't sort out everyone obv, but, does solve a definite need. Car journeys are rather predictable. Most trips from a village are to the nearest town etc etc.

Maybe it works well in France but it wouldn't work well in rural Ireland IMO. People work all over the place, starting at different times, with different things to do pre/post work. It's a simplistic notion to say most trips are to the next town etc. Take it from someone who has lived and done it for 30+ years.

[DeeBrown]

Actually most of the current crop of politicians seem to be rather smart, which is quite a change from past generations.

I strongly agree with that especially when you see the UK with Boris & Truss
& omg Trump? with 300 million to choose from!

Can't be having Ryan though,
rented a house from us in Ranelagh
and the kids ran free, pooping on floors etc.

[limpwhacker]

Exact same as France. The way they make it work through is that you are allowed to charge a small amount to cover costs and its non-taxable. Sorts out loads of extra people. They've about 70m passengers a year. Won't sort out everyone obv, but, does solve a definite need. Car journeys are rather predictable. Most trips from a village are to the nearest town etc etc.

Couldn't agree more. Bla bla is absolutely brilliant. Used it 6 times when on holiday in France and Spain. Unbelievably cheap and so easy to use and organize. No reason why it wouldn't work as well over here. Interesting backstory to how the company began and how it went on to become one of the most successful companies in France.

[Goodluck2me]

Scenes in the darts. Van Gerwen misses D12 for a 9darter. Smith steps up and takes out 141 for a 9darter of his own.

What a match!

[Hitchhiker's Guide To...]

Maybe it works well in France but it wouldn't work well in rural Ireland IMO. People work all over the place, starting at different times, with different things to do pre/post work. It's a simplistic notion to say most trips are to the next town etc. Take it from someone who has lived and done it for 30+ years.

Why do you think rural France is any different to rural Ireland?! Rural France is probably even more isolated and one-off compared to Ireland. Of course it would work for loads of trips where the only option is self-driving. Not every trip, but a decent chunk of them. Plus - its the only real option that would work in underpopulated areas - sure there can be a minibus or two a day, but there's hundreds of cars on the same route all day every day with three spare seats. It was also how people used to get around once they became too old to drive, so its not really a new idea, just that we now have the tech to widen out the net of available rides from neighbours and friends to everyone in an area.

[6starpool]

I found playing was a far better way to learn those ranges. I did read dokes ICM book and have a push/fold chart saved on my phone but learning while playing was definitely better for me at this early stage.

5 nights of affordable buy ins in the bonnington so surely something for you to jump into once in a while.

Range, schmange, just do it the old fashioned way. Call if they are a young pup always at it, raise when you're sick of being bullied. Yes, you'll lose most of the time, but you'll show them pups what's for now and then!

[Murdrum]

Range, schmange, just do it the old fashioned way. Call if they are a young pup always at it, raise when you're sick of being bullied. Yes, you'll lose most of the time, but you'll show them pups what's for now and then!

I got the results of a DB review yesterday.

Overall advice is pretty close to this, attack the pups more and don’t be bullied

[AndyFatBastard]

Nobody actually thinks we're going to get rid of cars entirely. Activists don't negotiate from the middle.

[Iago]

It's not a lot at all, I read a book yesterday, I think the other 6 days would be enough to reflect haha. We only have a certain amount of years to live, what are people only going to read 100 books for the rest of their life? my brother reads that many a year, conversations with him are amazing with insights and thoughts just from the books he's read.

I used to read a book a week. Would easily fly through it between commutes to work, reading at lunch, hour/90 minutes before bed etc.

Ironically enough, since slowing down my lifestyle my reading levels have pretty much dropped to zero. I have all the time in the world but can't manage to commit myself to sitting down and reading anything.

I've put it mostly down to escapism...I needed it before and I don't now, but it could also be a softening of the brain due to lack of activity and interaction. I wouldn't go so far as to say I'm worried about it but it certainly needs to be watched.

Not really one for resolutions as I believe these false, forced goals are counter productive but I hope I manage to find the motivation to kick it back off again. Seems like something I should try and get on top of.

[Degag]

Why do you think rural France is any different to rural Ireland?! Rural France is probably even more isolated and one-off compared to Ireland. Of course it would work for loads of trips where the only option is self-driving. Not every trip, but a decent chunk of them. Plus - its the only real option that would work in underpopulated areas - sure there can be a minibus or two a day, but there's hundreds of cars on the same route all day every day with three spare seats. It was also how people used to get around once they became too old to drive, so its not really a new idea, just that we now have the tech to widen out the net of available rides from neighbours and friends to everyone in an area.

I can’t comment on rural France. I know nothing about it. I can comment on rural Ireland though….

For sure we need some innovative solutions. But anyone who thinks a large portion are going to carshare are incorrect though, for reasons i’ve stated on a couple occasions now. And for another simple reason that people won’t want to. People want their own independence on how/when they travel.

Innovate yes, but also improve public transport links.

[coillcam]

There's different levels of reading. Skimming a newspaper for entertainment, vs people who might spend hours on a single passage of the Talmud.

Meditations is on the list. Someone could probably read that in a few hours. But they would get little of the value. A book a week suggests the goal is to tick off the books, rather than actually consuming them.

No more than you would prepare for an exam by doing a single read through of lecture notes. Or watch the top 100 movies on IMDb on 2x speed.

In terms of Lex, I don't he'll be reading a one-page summary of a book or skimming them. I do agree that there are different levels of reading but you can get into paralysis by analysis territory pretty quickly. The Beatles' "white" album if I'm not mistaken was deliberately left blank partly due to this reason, you can interpret it whatever way you like or analyse it to death. They were a lot of "takes" on what the Beatles were doing with their music.

The same applies to TV/Movies. If I'm watching a BCS, Breaking Bad, Mr Robot, The Wire etc I'm going to take my time and probably read other people's takes. Often I'll discuss them further and re-watch to see if something else is richer than on first viewing, especially knowing the outcome. Movies I'll do this less often but particularly on TV shows as the stories are long. However I'm very happy to binge through plenty of stuff and move on without caring - comedies/documentaries being obvious examples.

You don't need to know every single note for every instrument in something Strauss composed to appreciate it or take something from it. Neither do you have to do a PhD in classical music theory.

Sometimes a book is just a book.

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Yeah - although they are rolling out a lot of new public transport links in rural Ireland. Theres a plan called 'Connecting Ireland' which is putting in place hundreds of new local bus routes. Can see the proposals here and click on a county to see the new routes that are being developed (page 2 onwards). Looks excellent. All done by 'that absolute eejit with his big dublin saladbox head on him' Eamonn Ryan

[Hitchhiker's Guide To...]

Am a huge fan of the greens, but also worried that a vote for them would mean that SF get in the backdoor due to not enough votes for FF/FG. They really are a great party. Not sure we've seen a party with that level of impact in quite a while, although I suppose its easy to have impact in a time of surplus money.

[Hitchhiker's Guide To...]

Le Petit Breton seem to be ghosting me. Would there be anywhere else in Dublin you could pick up a decent Galette des Rois in order to celebrate the new year in style?

[Wombatman]

MmmmmmmKKaaayy Lex.........

[Hitchhiker's Guide To...]

Did a big shop in that huge asian supermarket in Ballymount. Some spectacular purchases:


1. These noodles are better than most high-level pasta. The broth is amazing. They won some world noodle award, which may or may not have been an award made up by the manufacturers. But they're top top.

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2. Sichuan pickles. Not as hot as you'd expect for something with the word 'sichuan'. Class as a noodle topping. Adds that slight element of acidity and freshness, with a bit of a kick.

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3. And the absolute star of the show. You've all tried that beef bulgogi in Kimchi Hophouse? This sauce recreates that dish down to a tee. Thinly slice some fillet beef, leave to marinate in this sauce for an hour, flash fry in 30 seconds, serve with plain rice and sliced spring onions. Its an outstanding dish.

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[shrapnel]

Le Petit Breton seem to be ghosting me. Would there be anywhere else in Dublin you could pick up a decent Galette des Rois in order to celebrate the new year in style?

make your own. very straightforward and delicious!

[Tar.Aldarion]

To continue housegate, woke to fire alarm last night. Went downstairs and there was no fire, however what I can only describe as a waterfall was coming through my kitchen ceiling, burst pipe. Water going through lights, fire alarm, down walls, floor soaking.

Eventually got mains turned off, boiler and all pipes drained, water removed. Fire alarm off. Took an hour as it wouldn't come loose, and it had all the other alarms going off, head ringing from it.

Trying to figure out do i need to hire a dehumidifier or not while i wait on plumber, or if the ceiling will collapse. Wood floor looks normal now so don't know, walls dried, so just the ceiling looking
wet.

Keep renting denny.

[Lao Lao]

I've actually had a hankering once or twice over the last few months for a live cashament but have resisted the urge as I feel it will be grim once I get there.

[6starpool]

To continue housegate, woke to fire alarm last night. Went downstairs and there was no fire, however what I can only describe as a waterfall was coming through my kitchen ceiling, burst pipe. Water going through lights, fire alarm, down walls, floor soaking.

Eventually got mains turned off, boiler and all pipes drained, water removed. Fire alarm off. Took an hour as it wouldn't come loose, and it had all the other alarms going off, head ringing from it.

Trying to figure out do i need to hire a dehumidifier or not while i wait on plumber, or if the ceiling will collapse. Wood floor looks normal now so don't know, walls dried, so just the ceiling looking
wet.

Keep renting denny.

Is it built on an old Indian graveyard or something?

[Tar.Aldarion]

Is it built on an old Indian graveyard or something?

Seems like! Funny thing is that the plumber was in a few hours earlier and as I expected the boiler has been plumbed wrong and hence heating not working well, and shower seal is broken separately from settling. At least i found out everything is broken

[Hitchhiker's Guide To...]

I've actually had a hankering once or twice over the last few months for a live cashament but have resisted the urge as I feel it will be grim once I get there.

Theres a genuinely good feel to that Bonnington place. Definitely not grim. If you are ever slightly tempted. The Tallaght place is, by all accounts, grim as fuck.

[Murdrum]

I've actually had a hankering once or twice over the last few months for a live cashament but have resisted the urge as I feel it will be grim once I get there.

Brian & team always run a good show for the ACOP & Deepstack in Feb.

Also, Stars are involved in the Irish Open this year so that will probably level up even more.
I know some people don’t like the RDS as a venue but it may suit a few more here to drop in.

[AndyFatBastard]

Rigger borrowed my dehumidifier a few weeks ago, Tar. I'll see if he still needs it, it's only round the corner from you.

[zuutroy]

Brian & team always run a good show for the ACOP & Deepstack in Feb.

Also, Stars are involved in the Irish Open this year so that will probably level up even more.
I know some people don’t like the RDS as a venue but it may suit a few more here to drop in.

They look good, and nice early starts to a few of them! Might show up for the ACOP.

[Ed]

On the housing front, moved into the house about 7 weeks ago. It's been relatively straightforward in that we mostly knew going in what we'd need to do work on (kitchen, painting, moving a radiator). Only 'surprise' so far has been a leak in a structure at the side of the house. It's a bungalow and a previous owner built a flat roofed utility room down the side. Long term we'll knock it down and look at extending/modernising but in the interim need to deal with the leak. Can't afford to replace the whole roof so were looking at re-felting/sealing it

Have had a few quotes to sort. One was for 650 and another for 950 (guy initially said "a few hundred"). Had someone come today who'd been recommended to us and very quickly said the roof is in bad nick but just patching it up was too small a job for him. Mentioned the other quotes and he said he'd no idea where they'd got those as it'd be a few thousand to properly fix/replace the roof. Said best option in short term was to just buy a couple of tins of bitumen roof repair and do it ourselves and that'd probably see us through until we were in a position to pull the thing down.

Cowboys Bill!

[Denny Crane]

Rigger borrowed my dehumidifier a few weeks ago, Tar. I'll see if he still needs it, it's only round the corner from you.

I was thinking of rigger the other day. Do you still see him for pints?

[dinekes]

On the housing front, moved into the house about 7 weeks ago. It's been relatively straightforward in that we mostly knew going in what we'd need to do work on (kitchen, painting, moving a radiator). Only 'surprise' so far has been a leak in a structure at the side of the house. It's a bungalow and a previous owner built a flat roofed utility room down the side. Long term we'll knock it down and look at extending/modernising but in the interim need to deal with the leak. Can't afford to replace the whole roof so were looking at re-felting/sealing it

Have had a few quotes to sort. One was for 650 and another for 950 (guy initially said "a few hundred"). Had someone come today who'd been recommended to us and very quickly said the roof is in bad nick but just patching it up was too small a job for him. Mentioned the other quotes and he said he'd no idea where they'd got those as it'd be a few thousand to properly fix/replace the roof. Said best option in short term was to just buy a couple of tins of bitumen roof repair and do it ourselves and that'd probably see us through until we were in a position to pull the thing down.

Cowboys Bill!

Maybe cover it with Tarp for now until you're ready to tackle it yourself or have sourced a better quote.

[AndyFatBastard]

I was thinking of rigger the other day. Do you still see him for pints?

Yeah we are bestie m8s. Daily updates about each other's teas and/or bowel movements. I'll let him know you were asking for him.