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I've been in and out of the office a fair bit all through the last year, today was the first time there were more than a couple of people in.
There has been one guy whose job is perfect for WFH, he has a horrible commute but he hates WFH and insists on coming in all the time...weird!
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Originally posted by Strewelpeter View PostI've been in and out of the office a fair bit all through the last year, today was the first time there were more than a couple of people in.
There has been one guy whose job is perfect for WFH, he has a horrible commute but he hates WFH and insists on coming in all the time...weird!
Maybe he can't work whilst family are there, can't stand his family or worse again he can't stand his own company if he is on his own.
Maybe he finds peace on his commute and enjoys the office way better.
My company voted 41% for full remote working. 59% hybrid and 0% nobody to go back to 5 days.
Thought 41% was very high and that's something the company is going to have to eat. I work for a predomintaly tech company. Nuig had a pretty comprehensive survey a couple of weeks ago and it found 32% of people it surveyed nationwide want to remain fully remote. So in the end our result was probably average enough.
Interesting times ahead. Offer fully remote work or your staff who want it will find it somewhere else it seems.
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Originally posted by ComradeCollie View PostNo posts on Dominick Cummings presentation today? Have to admit, I only watched about 3 hours of it live, and it was really difficult to know what was new and what was already known.
I doubt Joe Public gives a shit though. Boris is Trumpian in his ability to ride out stuff like this."We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Originally posted by Silver-Tiger View Post
Interesting times ahead. Offer fully remote work or your staff who want it will find it somewhere else it seems."We're not f*cking Burundi" - Big Phil
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Increasingly dont allign with the majority and tone of the messages here, a place I always enjoyed reading. Lately find it pretty unbareable. Find it amazing no-one ever has the fleeting recognition of, all that can be said is, truly, we dont have a clue. As such, retiring from IPB ( something happened FB post -you Ok hun - dont want to talk about it babes etc chortle ha!) enjoyed some great times with many of the punters here in the live arena and hope to again soon. Akin to leaving a WhatsApp group I think of old school mates, where the penny drops and you realise in actuality these people are exactly that old school mates and not the attached relationships of old. Be well all.
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Originally posted by jbravado View PostIncreasingly dont allign with the majority and tone of the messages here, a place I always enjoyed reading. Lately find it pretty unbareable. Find it amazing no-one ever has the fleeting recognition of, all that can be said is, truly, we dont have a clue. As such, retiring from IPB ( something happened FB post -you Ok hun - dont want to talk about it babes etc chortle ha!) enjoyed some great times with many of the punters here in the live arena and hope to again soon. Akin to leaving a WhatsApp group I think of old school mates, where the penny drops and you realise in actuality these people are exactly that old school mates and not the attached relationships of old. Be well all.
Discord is a large part of the charm of this place. The vax \ anti-vax dialogue from today is a good example.Happiness is not a goal; it is a by-product. ~Eleanor Roosevelt
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Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post
I don't think so? Hard to see on what grounds unless they were somehow doing it deliberately
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Originally posted by Iago View Post
There was a guy arrested and charged here (Spain) for giving covid to 22 workmates when it was established that he went to work despite knowing he had it.
'Reckless endangerment' or something similar I guess?"We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post
Jaysis.
'Reckless endangerment' or something similar I guess?
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Originally posted by jbravado View PostIncreasingly dont allign with the majority and tone of the messages here, a place I always enjoyed reading. Lately find it pretty unbareable. Find it amazing no-one ever has the fleeting recognition of, all that can be said is, truly, we dont have a clue. As such, retiring from IPB ( something happened FB post -you Ok hun - dont want to talk about it babes etc chortle ha!) enjoyed some great times with many of the punters here in the live arena and hope to again soon. Akin to leaving a WhatsApp group I think of old school mates, where the penny drops and you realise in actuality these people are exactly that old school mates and not the attached relationships of old. Be well all.
OLD people have problems that you haven't even considered yet!
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The doctor gave the man a jar and said, 'Take this jar home and bring back a semen sample tomorrow.'
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The doctor asked what happened and the man explained, 'Well, doc, it's like this--first I tried with my right hand, but nothing. Then I tried with my left hand, but still nothing..
'Then I asked my wife for help. She tried with her right hand, then with her left, still nothing. She tried with her mouth, first with the teeth in, then with her teeth out, still nothing.
'She even called up Arleen, the lady next door and she tried too, first with both hands, then an armpit, and she even tried squeezin' it between her knees, but still nothing.'
The doctor was shocked!'You asked your neighbor?'
.'SPOILERThe old man replied, 'Yep, none of us could get the jar open
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Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Post
The other one, that companies are going to have to face up to if they want to retain faculty, is the ability to work from abroad. Its a pedantic and silly idea that you need to be working in the same country as you live in for quite a lot of jobs.
Believe me, if companies could do it, they would."We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post
You run into tax issues with this pretty damn quick, that's the problem. Imagine the hit to the Irish exchequer if this became allowable.
Believe me, if companies could do it, they would.
I have a mate returning from Spain soon as otherwise, he breaks the 6-month rule for tax residency. He's been a contractor for a few different tech gigs over the years. He said it's a major ball-ache to deal with formally "re-locating" permanently and sorting out tax liabilities. In an ideal situation, he'd prefer to be some sort of digital WFH nomad, spending 3-6 months in different countries without having to stay 6 months in Ireland.
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Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Post
The other one, that companies are going to have to face up to if they want to retain faculty, is the ability to work from abroad. Its a pedantic and silly idea that you need to be working in the same country as you live in for quite a lot of jobs.
i tried to get my company to sign off on me going to France and working from there in the 2 week period between my 2 holiday breaks in July and august. they were having none of it. This is them just being lazy and applying a one size fits all ban on this type of thing as 2 weeks is irrelevant from a tax perspective.
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Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post
You run into tax issues with this pretty damn quick, that's the problem. Imagine the hit to the Irish exchequer if this became allowable.
Believe me, if companies could do it, they would.
Whats going to happen is that some newer companies will realise how they can get all the good staff by integrating this as a policy (one in five Dublin workers is non-Irish European?) and they're going to hoover up all the good staff."We're not f*cking Burundi" - Big Phil
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Originally posted by Lazare View PostIs that not what Multinational companies, as the name suggests, have been doing since they've existed?"We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Post
Nah you don't actually run into tax issues all that quickly at all. This is a myth. Show me a single European example of a company actually being charged location tax for one of their workers spending two months working in a country?
Whats going to happen is that some newer companies will realise how they can get all the good staff by integrating this as a policy (one in five Dublin workers is non-Irish European?) and they're going to hoover up all the good staff.
So be careful what you wish for."We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post
if you are employed by an Irish company, there are strict Revenue rules around that"We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post
So if you read that, there's definitely a nod and a wink for the pandemic, but the rules will return to normal from now on
If you can definitely work abroad for a day (which you do in your frequent Rotterdam visits), but 180 days plus 1 equals foreign residency, then the issue is not whether you can or can't work from abroad, as people already frequently work from abroad on business trips, but rather the issue is for how long you can work from abroad."We're not f*cking Burundi" - Big Phil
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Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Post
Its clearly talking about residency there, which is normally interpreted as 180 days plus 1 in a year. Not small stays, like working from abroad for a summer. I'm not saying companies haven't interpreted as meaning there can be no working abroad, I'm saying those companies are wrong.
If you can definitely work abroad for a day (which you do in your frequent Rotterdam visits), but 180 days plus 1 equals foreign residency, then the issue is not whether you can or can't work from abroad, but rather how long you can work from abroad for.
Remember when I was working in USA, I had to keep track of the different states visits due to state tax rules as had to keep track of days spent out of the state.
it is a very complicated area and can't be dismissed as easily as you make it out to be. Once the new normal kicks in, it will be definitely some kind of Flexi working model, with smaller office space and 2/3 days in and out. So still will be very much be local employment.No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity, but I know none, therefore am no beast.
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Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post
You run into tax issues with this pretty damn quick, that's the problem. Imagine the hit to the Irish exchequer if this became allowable.
Believe me, if companies could do it, they would.Turning millions into thousands
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Originally posted by jbravado View PostIncreasingly dont allign with the majority and tone of the messages here, a place I always enjoyed reading. Lately find it pretty unbareable. Find it amazing no-one ever has the fleeting recognition of, all that can be said is, truly, we dont have a clue. As such, retiring from IPB ( something happened FB post -you Ok hun - dont want to talk about it babes etc chortle ha!) enjoyed some great times with many of the punters here in the live arena and hope to again soon. Akin to leaving a WhatsApp group I think of old school mates, where the penny drops and you realise in actuality these people are exactly that old school mates and not the attached relationships of old. Be well all.
I find the lack of echo chamber here a feature not a bug.
It's also a useful handbrake on blindly following a line of thinking. Whether thats the wisdom of crowds or mob mentality is another question
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Plenty of people in my company have been working from abroad from home since before this. We have people in Australia, France, UK, US. We only have offices in Ireland and the US.
Even as a grad they offered me full time remote work from Amsterdam as they heard my girlfriend lived there.Last edited by Tar.Aldarion; 27-05-21, 12:11.
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Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Post
Its clearly talking about residency there, which is normally interpreted as 180 days plus 1 in a year. Not small stays, like working from abroad for a summer. I'm not saying companies haven't interpreted as meaning there can be no working abroad, I'm saying those companies are wrong.
If you can definitely work abroad for a day (which you do in your frequent Rotterdam visits), but 180 days plus 1 equals foreign residency, then the issue is not whether you can or can't work from abroad, as people already frequently work from abroad on business trips, but rather the issue is for how long you can work from abroad.
"We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post
Yeah but the point being it's not something that is in the gift of individual companies - if they sign Irish contracts with local employees, then they have to comply with the Revenue rules."We're not f*cking Burundi" - Big Phil
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Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post
if you are employed by an Irish company, there are strict Revenue rules around that
Working from aboard you simply become a contractor. As a contractor, tax is your own responsibility to settle with the tax office i wherever you reside. People having been working that way for a decade or more.
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Companies can also be fined for using contractors who have not established themselves correctly.
Just as tenants can be liable for out-of-state landlords and are do pay tax to Revenue at source.
I'm lucky, my company set up an Irish office for me specifically to allow me to be tax resident in Ireland but work for the company in UK still.
They explored the self-contracting option, but were concerned that UK tax law would consider me an employee even if I were explicitly contracting as a self-employed worker of an Irish shell company.
Tis not facile, there's a minefield of hoops to jump through. There is however already examples of the "working holiday" setups popping up, where you can go to Portugal for 5/6 weeks and WFH there and the hotel is setup to have facilities for remote workers to allow you to work during the day and chill 'on holiday' in the evening/weekends.
Had I not chained myself to the ground by having a bab I'm certain I'd be entertaining the possibility of 3/4 different 3 week 'working breaks' next year.
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Originally posted by Emmet View PostCompanies can also be fined for using contractors who have not established themselves correctly.
Just as tenants can be liable for out-of-state landlords and are do pay tax to Revenue at source.
I'm lucky, my company set up an Irish office for me specifically to allow me to be tax resident in Ireland but work for the company in UK still.
They explored the self-contracting option, but were concerned that UK tax law would consider me an employee even if I were explicitly contracting as a self-employed worker of an Irish shell company.
Tis not facile, there's a minefield of hoops to jump through. There is however already examples of the "working holiday" setups popping up, where you can go to Portugal for 5/6 weeks and WFH there and the hotel is setup to have facilities for remote workers to allow you to work during the day and chill 'on holiday' in the evening/weekends.
Had I not chained myself to the ground by having a bab I'm certain I'd be entertaining the possibility of 3/4 different 3 week 'working breaks' next year.
We need to get out of this mindset of having to stick to the one place."We're not f*cking Burundi" - Big Phil
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My place has made some big changes to their WFH policy and also their dress code.
You can now work from home for a max of 26 days per year (if your role suits working from home) but you cannot work more than 3 days in a row from home.
Also, we now no longer have to wear ties unless we are meeting with customers (online zoom/teams calls with a customer counts as a meeting)
Big changes, some people say they've never seen bigger changes, I think they are big changes, possibly the biggest ever.
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Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Post
Are you missing the point? This is about employees in Ireland who might want to work abroad say for a summer sipping on Bordeaux instead of Guinness. A lot of companies seem to be saying that isn't possible, and in general working abroad isn't possible. Yet people already do work from abroad - for example on business trips. So the idea that it isn't possible is clearly wrong. The people who say it isn't possible seem to really mean 'I don't want to do this', or maybe are confusing short stays with the implications of someone actually living abroad for long enough for them to count as resident abroad (over six months in year).
I've seen this in action many times ("hey boss, can I work from Portugal for the winter? "emmm sure, I don't really give a fuck as long as you do the work but let me check with HR"...."dummmmdidummm, they say no way - revenue rules")
"We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post
Find us the revenue rules and we can take it from there.
I've seen this in action many times ("hey boss, can I work from Portugal for the winter? "emmm sure, I don't really give a fuck as long as you do the work but let me check with HR"...."dummmmdidummm, they say no way - revenue rules")
Tell me this - what rule says its okay for you to work abroad in Rotterdam for three days on a business trip, but says it is not allowed for you to work in Rotterdam for two weeks or two months? I get the six month point - that counts as residency, but I don't think there's any rules before that.
"We're not f*cking Burundi" - Big Phil
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Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View PostThere's definitely a double jeopardy scenario at play where you can be taxed twice (home and abroad) on the same Irish income if you break the residency rules.
Obviously short term business trips are fine."We're not f*cking Burundi" - Big Phil
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Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View PostI'm in a queue to buy one of 900 plots of virtual land. Opens in 9 minutes and tends to sell out in less than a minute. Been building up to this all week. Feel I even dreamt about it last night. Lets go!!"We're not f*cking Burundi" - Big Phil
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Thank god for wfh - not sure I’d be able to restrain myself from chucking an imaginary grenade or 2 leaving a real life meeting and looking like a tool
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Originally posted by PSV58 View Post
Does the “they’re not making any more of it” maxim apply to virtual land?"We're not f*cking Burundi" - Big Phil
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Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View PostI'm in a queue to buy one of 900 plots of virtual land. Opens in 9 minutes and tends to sell out in less than a minute. Been building up to this all week. Feel I even dreamt about it last night. Lets go!!
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