Bad beat/Moaning/Venting thread - Wordle Gummidge

[Kayroo]

why not?

It could but I suspect the government would be very cautious in doing so. The constitutionally recognised right to bodily integrity makes mandated vaccination rather tricky. It could be argued that this is a proportionate interference with that right on public health grounds but you better believe that law is getting challenged in the courts.

[Solksjaer!]

If it wasnt for Martina navratilova I wouldnt know what's goin on in the world .

[Hitchhiker's Guide To...]

It could but I suspect the government would be very cautious in doing so. The constitutionally recognised right to bodily integrity makes mandated vaccination rather tricky. It could be argued that this is a proportionate interference with that right on public health grounds but you better believe that law is getting challenged in the courts.

CitizensInformation just expresses that right as:

"You have a right not to have your body or person unjustifiably interfered with"

Which seems to give ample opportunity to allow vaccines as mandatory on the grounds that it is justified for national health. Especially as there is no constitutional right to a specific job, despite the overall right to work.

I genuinely don't have an opinion on the matter. Just wondering.

[Dice75]

Must have been googling some quare shit after a few beers latlely as my pop up personalised playlist was a video about meeting doggers

[Hitchhiker's Guide To...]

A quick etiquette thing. I've ordered the burger in the fancy looking Asador. Do I still eat it with my hands despite the place looking so upscale?

[Kayroo]

CitizensInformation just expresses that right as:

"You have a right not to have your body or person unjustifiably interfered with"

Which seems to give ample opportunity to allow vaccines as mandatory on the grounds that it is justified for national health. Especially as there is no constitutional right to a specific job, despite the overall right to work.

I genuinely don't have an opinion on the matter. Just wondering.

Citizens Information is an invaluable resource but not great on the subtleties of constitutional law and rights. Which is actually fair enough, it's not a legal resource.

Mandatory vaccination is a very difficult issue. There is a delicate balance to be struck between individual rights and the public good. That's not something that can be done easily. The law has to be proportionate to its objective and the objective has to be clear and unambiguous. If I have a genuinely held religious belief against vaccination, does the State have the right to force me to be vaccinated? Even if it is a personal belief, genuinely and strongly held in good faith, can the State override that in all circumstances? Are there exceptions and, if so, what are they?

Direct mandates are difficult to operate. Indirect mandates even more so. Make public services, employment and so forth contingent on vaccination and you get to the same result. Mandatory vaccination by indirect means. But the same problems arise with it. Finding a balance between the two is really difficult and a policy problem for which I have never heard a good or reasonable answer.

As I said, I think the public good exception does give scope for some form of approach (direct or indirect mandate) but it will 100% be challenged by a combination of good faith actors and the usual suspects.

[Kayroo]

A quick etiquette thing. I've ordered the burger in the fancy looking Asador. Do I still eat it with my hands despite the place looking so upscale?

Yes.

Don't eat the entire burger in your hands, cut it in two to make it easier to manage.

[Raoul Duke III]

Citizens Information is an invaluable resource but not great on the subtleties of constitutional law and rights. Which is actually fair enough, it's not a legal resource.

Mandatory vaccination is a very difficult issue. There is a delicate balance to be struck between individual rights and the public good. That's not something that can be done easily. The law has to be proportionate to its objective and the objective has to be clear and unambiguous. If I have a genuinely held religious belief against vaccination, does the State have the right to force me to be vaccinated? Even if it is a personal belief, genuinely and strongly held in good faith, can the State override that in all circumstances? Are there exceptions and, if so, what are they?

Direct mandates are difficult to operate. Indirect mandates even more so. Make public services, employment and so forth contingent on vaccination and you get to the same result. Mandatory vaccination by indirect means. But the same problems arise with it. Finding a balance between the two is really difficult and a policy problem for which I have never heard a good or reasonable answer.

As I said, I think the public good exception does give scope for some form of approach (direct or indirect mandate) but it will 100% be challenged by a combination of good faith actors and the usual suspects.

Do I have the right to endanger others?

[Kayroo]

Do I have the right to endanger others?

That's an unusual framing. Someone who is unvaccinated does pose a danger to others. But the extent of that danger and the degree to which that danger can override the individual right not to be interfered with or have medical treatment foisted on them is the question. And there is not a simple or obvious answer.

I tend to think mandatory vaccination, save for those who cannot be vaccinated, is warranted in this instance. I am just not sure how to legally achieve that aim.

[dobby]

Italian workers will have to present vaccine passport to access workplaces after Oct 15. Couldn't happen here?

Is it not just a "digital covid cert" and not a vaccine passport. As in, you either have to show proof of vaccination or recovery from covid in the last 6 months, like we have here?

I see a DCU video today explaining the covid requirements from students. Usual things, mask on indoors, windows open, dont loiter in groups indoors, social distancing etc. The surprising but welcome one was you will be required to show a covid cert to get into the NuBar which is the on campus bar. I know some students who have said they dont want the vaccine and also haven't had covid so dont have a cert and they wont be allowed in. Seems fair enough to me, they can get vaccinated if they want to socialise. It's their choice at the end of the day if they want to restrict their own lives.

Also wouldn't complain if it became mandatory in the workplace.

[dinekes]

Also
Are Virgin Media any good? Was thinking of a bundle TV and broadband.
Cant have a dish so Sky not an option.


Edited out the laptop question as was just being lazy.
Now some opinions on tv/broadband packages and make it snappy...been waiting 30 mins here

[oleras]

You feel the doctor speaking to him and the nurse looking on anxiously are... what? Lying to him? Putting him on a ventilator (a scarce resource) for the hell of it? He also visibly does have a line in his right arm and a bandage over the location where they presumably had a line previously in his left arm. Can't see these track marks you're referring to, in that video at least.


Like, devil's advocate how? You think the lad removing the Covid patient from hospital is the sensible one here and the doctor and nurse are somehow the ones in the wrong? This isn't a case of "I'm just asking questions". What do you think is going on if you feel his breathing isn't laboured etc despite the doctor explicitly saying to him, in the video, that he is "barely able to breathe there now" while the other chap says the doctors are going to kill him. Which one of them are you saying is right?

Yourself and dobby do realise im working off the streamable clip that HH posted ?

Maybe if both of you wernt so busy to pounce on me and read on when solks gave some context to it and noted my reply you may have not been so fast, but carry on with the outrage...

[Raoul Duke III]

That's an unusual framing. Someone who is unvaccinated does pose a danger to others. But the extent of that danger and the degree to which that danger can override the individual right not to be interfered with or have medical treatment foisted on them is the question. And there is not a simple or obvious answer.

I tend to think mandatory vaccination, save for those who cannot be vaccinated, is warranted in this instance. I am just not sure how to legally achieve that aim.

I was trying to frame it in a controversial manner but I think it's one that highlights the greater good element that is at play here.

It's getting close to being like someone in London during the Blitz who refused to close their blackout blinds on some superfluous nonsense about their right to enjoy the view. <ends tortured analogy>

[dobby]

Yourself and dobby do realise im working off the streamable clip that HH posted ?

Maybe if both of you wernt so busy to pounce on me and read on when solks gave some context to it and noted my reply you may have not been so fast, but carry on with the outrage...

Well first, there's no outrage on my part. Was simply replying to a post. Nothing personal in it at all.

Secondly, and this isnt a dig at you, it's people and society in general. The problem is you replied to just a quick clip instead of checking out the story first. See it all the time online, people responding to things when they dont actually know the full story available. And when people do that and are in the wrong, they should be called on it. Nothing more to it.

[Hitchhiker's Guide To...]

Is it not just a "digital covid cert" and not a vaccine passport. As in, you either have to show proof of vaccination or recovery from covid in the last 6 months, like we have here?

I see a DCU video today explaining the covid requirements from students. Usual things, mask on indoors, windows open, dont loiter in groups indoors, social distancing etc. The surprising but welcome one was you will be required to show a covid cert to get into the NuBar which is the on campus bar. I know some students who have said they dont want the vaccine and also haven't had covid so dont have a cert and they wont be allowed in. Seems fair enough to me, they can get vaccinated if they want to socialise. It's their choice at the end of the day if they want to restrict their own lives.

Also wouldn't complain if it became mandatory in the workplace.

#WheresTheHerpesCert amirite

[balfejohn]

Fundalk friday

sister Lola 5.45
not a tip but coincidence

we got a new pup called Lola and she was born in Dundalk.
she arrived the other day it has to win

[Kayroo]

Yourself and dobby do realise im working off the streamable clip that HH posted ?

Maybe if both of you wernt so busy to pounce on me and read on when solks gave some context to it and noted my reply you may have not been so fast, but carry on with the outrage...

I wasn't having a go. I just find the idea of playing "devil's advocate" here to be kind of strange. Like, to what end? Are you saying you agree with the anti-vaxx lad who accused the doctor of trying to murder the patient?

The wrist bruises look consistent with an arterial blood gas test to me. Not uncommon to get bruising from them as far as I know but medical types here can say better.

I honestly wasn't on an outrage mission there, it just makes no sense to me what you were trying to suggest.

[Kayroo]

I was trying to frame it in a controversial manner but I think it's one that highlights the greater good element that is at play here.

It's getting close to being like someone in London during the Blitz who refused to close their blackout blinds on some superfluous nonsense about their right to enjoy the view. <ends tortured analogy>

Oh I totally agree there's a greater good element at play. It's just trying to work out how to balance those two sides that causes the problem.

[oleras]

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Journal your practice and tick off as you gain competence.

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[oleras]

Well first, there's no outrage on my part. Was simply replying to a post. Nothing personal in it at all.

Secondly, and this isnt a dig at you, it's people and society in general. The problem is you replied to just a quick clip instead of checking out the story first. See it all the time online, people responding to things when they dont actually know the full story available. And when people do that and are in the wrong, they should be called on it. Nothing more to it.

Do you think HH investigated the full facts before adding to that streamable link he posted the following "Apparently, he's now back in the hospital and in an induced coma" He found a clip and posted it up without doing full due diligence...is thats whats needed now before offering comment in general ? As i stated, i had more information a few mins later and i then had a view, before that i was as i said playing devils advocate and offering another side to hitches story without taking any side whatsoever.

[oleras]

I wasn't having a go. I just find the idea of playing "devil's advocate" here to be kind of strange. Like, to what end? Are you saying you agree with the anti-vaxx lad who accused the doctor of trying to murder the patient?

The wrist bruises look consistent with an arterial blood gas test to me. Not uncommon to get bruising from them as far as I know but medical types here can say better.

I honestly wasn't on an outrage mission there, it just makes no sense to me what you were trying to suggest.

Did you read my reply ? Please rewatch what HH posted in the streamable link and my reply was to that. Where in that clips is "anti-vaxx lad who accused the doctor of trying to murder the patient" ?

[dobby]

Do you think HH investigated the full facts before adding to that streamable link he posted the following "Apparently, he's now back in the hospital and in an induced coma" He found a clip and posted it up without doing full due diligence...is thats whats needed now before offering comment in general ? As i stated, i had more information a few mins later and i then had a view, before that i was as i said playing devils advocate and offering another side to hitches story without taking any side whatsoever.

Hitchs post was a follow up to his post about the story yesterday. When he mentioned it yesterday, I searched for and watched the video. He didnt randomly pick that clip to post it for no reason.

Maybe you missed his OP on it yesterday which is fair enough. There is absolutely no requirement for "due diligence" before you comment on anything. But you were on the wrong side of it and playing Devils advocate made no sense which is why I tried to add context, not outrage.

I concede I didnt read on and see your later post that I've now seen. But again, it was absolutely nothing personal so I'll leave it there.

[Dice75]

Fundalk friday

sister Lola 5.45
not a tip but coincidence

we got a new pup called Lola and she was born in Dundalk.
she arrived the other day it has to win

Sounds a lot more solid than your recent efforts

[Raoul Duke III]

Oh I totally agree there's a greater good element at play. It's just trying to work out how to balance those two sides that causes the problem.

One supersedes the other. I really don't think asking people to either be vaccinated or to have very regular tests (like 2+ p/w) is some appalling violation of our constitutional rights.

[Raoul Duke III]

Sounds a lot more solid than your recent efforts

I'm surprised he still has the balls to post tips.

[Dice75]

I'm surprised he still has the balls to post tips.

I've place layed his last half dozen. Enough to floor the new extension and whole ground floor. As long as he holds the price after these posts

[balfejohn]

I'm surprised he still has the balls to post tips.

The dogs a bitch
she don’t need balls

[Closed_Account]

If you honestly feel you should no longer have the right to decide what is injected into your body you are unconscious. You simply have not sat with yourself and are not operating from the seat of awareness. You just can not be conscious. Shocked to my absolute core you cant see why people feel that it is something worth fighting for.


Literally cant stomach this. Absolutely mind boggling.

[Raoul Duke III]

If you honestly feel you should no longer have the right to decide what is injected into your body you are unconscious. You simply have not sat with yourself and are not operating from the seat of awareness. You just can not be conscious. Shocked to my absolute core you cant see why people feel that it is something worth fighting for.


Literally cant stomach this. Absolutely mind boggling.

You have the right not to get the vaccine.

Governments also have the right, in the interests of the greater good, to then exclude you from places where your choice might endanger others. And we increasingly see them exercising this (Italy, France, the US etc).

[balfejohn]

I've place layed his last half dozen. Enough to floor the new extension and whole ground floor. As long as he holds the price after these posts

extra 10% off if the Lola comes home

[Micknail]

Have to say, post week poo is up there with a post weekend poo for me.

[Solksjaer!]

The conflict is a workers right to a safe working environment v someone thinking they have a right to work in your company irrespective of health. Say no to the vaccine , work from home, outdoors etc however protesting about your rights whilst infringing on others is a bit hypocritical no?

It's not really that cloudy .

[Solksjaer!]

extra 10% off if the Lola comes home

Have ya anythin for Cheltenham?

[Hitchhiker's Guide To...]

Respect what Asador is about, but maybe because of the lunch menu (burgers and chips), it felt a bit of overkill for what it was. Five waiters in suits all lined up to dish out burgers seems a bit nonsensical.

[Dice75]

extra 10% off if the Lola comes home

Never in doubt. I'll hold ya to that

[balfejohn]

[QUOTE=Solksjaer!;n1702318]

Have ya anythin for Cheltenham? [/QUOTE

if she grows up quick we are hoping to run her in the pups V ponies race

[balfejohn]

Clew bay 7.45 Fundalk

this is a tip so it might fail

[DeadParrot]

As funny as it is, I'd a quaint idea that miggleD was above that kind of shite

[ComradeCollie]

As funny as it is, I'd a quaint idea that miggleD was above that kind of shite

He's a life long politician, they're like a step above paedophiles.

[dobby]

If you honestly feel you should no longer have the right to decide what is injected into your body you are unconscious. You simply have not sat with yourself and are not operating from the seat of awareness. You just can not be conscious. Shocked to my absolute core you cant see why people feel that it is something worth fighting for.


Literally cant stomach this. Absolutely mind boggling.

But absolutely nobody here is or has argued that "you should no longer have the right to decide what is injected into your body".

I'm actually the exact opposite. I'd die for your right to choose. Dont know what you cant stomach or find so mind boggling.

[DeadParrot]

Clew bay 7.45 Fundalk

this is a tip so it might fail

Nice little drift too

[balfejohn]

[QUOTE=DeadParrot;n1702326]
Nice little drift too
[/QUOT

another coincidence I’m in west for the weekend and going to Clew Bay tomorrow

[Wombatman]

You have the right not to get the vaccine.

....and retain your livelihood?

[MysteryGuest]

Wonder is John Briton ok with people going to credit union openings in Dublin? Is it just Kerry he has the issue with or credit union openings in general?

[Strewelpeter]

As funny as it is, I'd a quaint idea that miggleD was above that kind of shite

Bruton may or may not be correct about the constitutional position, and the people organising the gig have fucked up by not hearing and adjusting for the reservations expressed about the way it was set up but politically MDH has made a significant misstep and put the government into a right pickle.
At least it will give the pisspoor hacks something new to play gotcha with government representatives for the next few weeks

[Closed_Account]

But absolutely nobody here is or has argued that "you should no longer have the right to decide what is injected into your body".

I'm actually the exact opposite. I'd die for your right to choose. Dont know what you cant stomach or find so mind boggling.

I actually find it heartening that you have the passion and awareness that there has to be things we truly are willing to die for. I was literally going to post that question, is there ANYTHING that could happen or be enforced or made normal, that those here would stand up and say I'm willing to walk the walk here and risk my comfort and snap out of this hazy disconnect from awareness humanity has digitally lurched towards and really put my comfort and even my life on the line.

So, sincerely fair fucks on that note.

Do you guys recognize that, or are you literally ignoring the fact that taking away someone's right to work, provide for their family, is taking away their choice. It is implicit coercion. You, all, deep down know this, and if you ignore it, you are just not a the wheel. You are no longer there.Too comfortable. Too sedated.

I mean, its utterly mind blowing that this even needs to be said.

Imagine being a nurse or a doctor, and there are plenty, who stood fighting this for 18 months, and now being told, get this or we are taking away your right to the job they worked hard to get and maintain. Taking care of us.

Whoever thinks that's Ok, fuck you. Go fuck yourselves. Not people I'd be willing to pretend to ignore exactly what you are and really not people I could exchange fake pleasantries or have a single thing to say to them.

[Hitchhiker's Guide To...]

Joe didn't make it sadly, if this is right.

[ArmaniJeans]

I actually find it heartening that you have the passion and awareness that there has to be things we truly are willing to die for. I was literally going to post that question, is there ANYTHING that could happen or be enforced or made normal, that those here would stand up and say I'm willing to walk the walk here and risk my comfort and snap out of this hazy disconnect from awareness humanity has digitally lurched towards and really put my comfort and even my life on the line.

So, sincerely fair fucks on that note.

Do you guys recognize that, or are you literally ignoring the fact that taking away someone's right to work, provide for their family, is taking away their choice. It is implicit coercion. You, all, deep down know this, and if you ignore it, you are just not a the wheel. You are no longer there.Too comfortable. Too sedated.

I mean, its utterly mind blowing that this even needs to be said.

Imagine being a nurse or a doctor, and there are plenty, who stood fighting this for 18 months, and now being told, get this or we are taking away your right to the job they worked hard to get and maintain. Taking care of us.

Whoever thinks that's Ok, fuck you. Go fuck yourselves. Not people I'd be willing to pretend to ignore exactly what you are and really not people I could exchange fake pleasantries or have a single thing to say to them.

I don't think there's any inherent right to work. Lets stick with your medical workplace example and think of a surgeon doing great work. Presumably if/she he develops the shakes or their eyesight deteriorates beyond an acceptable level then they can no longer work. Maybe they get told that laser eye surgery is a solution that would allow them to continue working. Is that coercion? Have a medical procedure on your eyes or lose your right to work because you are an unacceptable risk to other people. Would you think that's fair? Or would you stand up for the rights of Surgeon Magoo to have a go at your keyhole surgery?

[Solksjaer!]

You are deliberately ignoring the choice aspect of this . It's not quite a Typhoid Mary situation. Or a no blacks or Irish. I thought people with heightened awareness developed a sense of how we are a part of everything. The viewpoint you are courting betrays a selfish take. . If you were to look at a group of cells and identify cells that are susceptible to infecting the rest of the cells. What would you do? Protect the majority or simply let nature decide ? Take away covid if someone came into the workplace from a home where everyone had a puking virus . They are irresponsible and selfish. This is the 1st pandemic in our lifetime , let's not let emotion overtake our handling of this. You'll be fine as will most people patiently waiting to ride out this thing. Temporary measures . Not worth the uproar and indignation IMO

[Closed_Account]

I don't think there's any inherent right to work. Lets stick with your medical workplace example and think of a surgeon doing great work. Presumably if/she he develops the shakes or their eyesight deteriorates beyond an acceptable level then they can no longer work. Maybe they get told that laser eye surgery is a solution that would allow them to continue working. Is that coercion? Have a medical procedure on your eyes or lose your right to work because you are an unacceptable risk to other people. Would you think that's fair? Or would you stand up for the rights of Surgeon Magoo to have a go at your keyhole surgery?

Sorry Armani, would be responding to this as it's so ludicrous a comparison it really doesnr merit engagement. I'm sure if you think about it you will realize why.

[dinekes]

Guess I'm going to gave to google tv/broadband packages myself ye bastards!!

[Closed_Account]

You are deliberately ignoring the choice aspect of this . It's not quite a Typhoid Mary situation. Or a no blacks or Irish. I thought people with heightened awareness developed a sense of how we are a part of everything. The viewpoint you are courting betrays a selfish take. . If you were to look at a group of cells and identify cells that are susceptible to infecting the rest of the cells. What would you do? Protect the majority or simply let nature decide ? Take away covid if someone came into the workplace from a home where everyone had a puking virus . They are irresponsible and selfish. This is the 1st pandemic in our lifetime , let's not let emotion overtake our handling of this. You'll be fine as will most people patiently waiting to ride out this thing. Temporary measures . Not worth the uproar and indignation IMO

You are deliberately ignoring the choice aspect of this. Not me. Really dont feel like arguing or engaging with people who cant be reached. If you guys sincerely think people should lose their jobs if they choose what goes into your body again, not people I can have any engagement with frankly. Infact it's a form of not being conscious to do so. This is utter lunacy. Ignoring stuff like natural immunity which offers it seems significantly more protection etc etc etc and the etc are many.

[ArmaniJeans]

Also
Are Virgin Media any good? Was thinking of a bundle TV and broadband.
Cant have a dish so Sky not an option.


Edited out the laptop question as was just being lazy.
Now some opinions on tv/broadband packages and make it snappy...been waiting 30 mins here

Don't think you need a dish for Sky if you are in the Dublin/Leinster area. Poster SatNav might be able to get you a deal or answer questions.
VM are fine.

[Closed_Account]

Nature decides anyway Willy. People, have through no fault of their own, stopped sitting with feelings of discomfort. We reach for distraction. Phone. Food. Whatever.

This extends to fear. Acknowledging death is part of life. Death presents life. Memento Mori. For the most part, we as a collective consciousness are now so disconnected we dont do this sitting part. We have been moved into a vibration of fear. Our attention can no longer be harvested by insta or Fb or all that nonsense. We all recognize a shift, an evolutionary shift in consciousness.

I got Covid last month and was hospitalised in France overnight. I was terrified, and then I was overcome with actual gratitude to face my own bullshit. I was convinced I was no longer afraid of death. When I got Covid I was utterly terrified and it forced me to look at myself and many things. Thankfully I recovered. Vaccines are great, even this one seems to have a great impact on death rates, serious illness etc, but you HAVE to have a choice. A real choice. Lose your job or get it is NOT choice.

[Solksjaer!]

You are deliberately ignoring the choice aspect of this. Not me. Really dont feel like arguing or engaging with people who cant be reached. If you guys sincerely think people should lose their jobs if they choose what goes into your body again, not people I can have any engagement with frankly. Infact it's a form of not being conscious to do so. This is utter lunacy. Ignoring stuff like natural immunity which offers it seems significantly more protection etc etc etc and the etc are many.

I sympathise with your point but it's the extremity of it that's a bit off to me. It like you are utterly damning people for trying to protect each other. If you think nature will solve this and the vulnerable shouldn't be protected but instead be a casualty of natures battle to kill off or live with a virus then you need to think on the broader argument Instead of zoning in on some
workers right infringement. Its bigger than that .

[Lazare]

90% of Irish adults are vaccinated. So it's pretty much moot.

Fuck anti vaxxers. It's delicious that finally there are consequences.

[Closed_Account]

I sympathise with your point but it's the extremity of it that's a bit off to me. It like you are utterly damning people for trying to protect each other. If you think nature will solve this and the vulnerable shouldn't be protected but instead be a casualty of natures battle to kill off or live with a virus then you need to think on the broader argument Instead of zoning in on some
workers right infringement. Its bigger than that .

Jesus Christ. The vunerable are protected. THEY ARE VACCINATED!!!

Workers rights! Come on man. Having the right to say what goes into your own body is the issue not some workers right issue.

I'm not damning people at all. Where or how do I do that. Its admirable that many have viewed it as such, and in cases gone against their natural inclination with the goal of protecting others. The best of humanity.

[Solksjaer!]

I'm also convinced we are coming out the other side of this and all the measures will be reviewed as temporary and non vaccinated will once again mix with us in the heat of some nightclub where we will all be killing our livers and showing the doc our genital warts . A little more patience. We possess technology to boost nature in its battle. I doubt dr Evil is lurking.

[Closed_Account]

90% of Irish adults are vaccinated. So it's pretty much moot.

Fuck anti vaxxers. It's delicious that finally there are consequences.

It delicious that there are consequences. Go fuck yourself. That's a fucking monstrous thing to say. Go. Fuck. Yourself.

[Closed_Account]

Delicious. What that people can die. Loe their jobs. Wow. Man. Seriously fucking wow.