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Originally posted by Lazare View Post
Hahaha, was wondering what drove Mick to the jabbers.
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Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View PostOur most recent master-stroke was making getting into pubs conditional on having the jab. That's an extra 30-40% jabbage right there.
Including that any health care worker who refuses the vaccine will be fired."We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Originally posted by jbravado View PostDo you think it's a good that people who want to exercise their choice over their own body will now lose their jobs?No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity, but I know none, therefore am no beast.
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Originally posted by jbravado View PostDo you think it's a good that people who want to exercise their choice over their own body will now lose their jobs?
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Originally posted by jbravado View Post
Do you think government should make alcohol, cigarettes and fast food illegal?
None of those things are transmissable diseases.
(And no, I don't. Tax and health policy should aim to tip people towards sensible choices though)"We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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I doubt that it will be necessary to fire anyone for not getting vaccinated against covid here, certainly anyone working in a range of patient facing jobs should not be allowed contact with patients.
We already had a situation where a small number of nurses who refused to get flu vaccines were moved away from patients during flu season but so far no one was fired.
Turning millions into thousands
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Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post
In terms of 'the greater good'? Yes.
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Can't see how France can give people the sack for not getting the jab regardless of what they work at, they'll just relocate them to non people facing roles.
New variants are more transmissible but are not stronger types of the virus. Numbers of people dying should be the only figure people are caring about now.
I for one think BoJo has done a great job with this whole thing. They are not saying restrictions or mask wearing won't come back. Some country has to be the first to give it a go. They've the best or one of the most successful vax programmes in the world.
Jayzus, Sheila! I forgot me feckin' trousers
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Originally posted by Sickpuppy View Post
In terms of the greater good this could escalate. If a child is born with a chronic illness would it be for the greater good to euthanasia’s kill said child. Over its life time it’s going to be a burden on its parents abs the state. Same with people who are more prone to diseases it’s probably for the greater good they don’t live will end up costing money and time in health care. If we allow politicians to judge what is for the greater good with huge power we are in deep trouble.
It is literally politician's jobs to govern for the greater good btw. That's what we elect them for."We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Originally posted by Pat Mustard View PostI for one think BoJo has done a great job with this whole thing. They are not saying restrictions or mask wearing won't come back. Some country has to be the first to give it a go. They've the best or one of the most successful vax programmes in the world."We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Originally posted by Pat Mustard View PostCan't see how France can give people the sack for not getting the jab regardless of what they work at, they'll just relocate them to non people facing roles.
New variants are more transmissible but are not stronger types of the virus. Numbers of people dying should be the only figure people are caring about now.
I for one think BoJo has done a great job with this whole thing. They are not saying restrictions or mask wearing won't come back. Some country has to be the first to give it a go. They've the best or one of the most successful vax programmes in the world.
Macron is dead right.
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Originally posted by Lazare View PostIt's not like it's some ground breaking idea anyway.
Military all over the world have compulsory vaccine programs. I'm sure most NGOs too."I can’t find anyone who agrees with what I write or think these days, so I guess I must be getting closer to the truth." - Hunter S. Thompson
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Originally posted by Pat Mustard View Post
Nah uh case fatality rates are , Italy is 3%, Greece 2.9%, UK is 2.5%
Anyhoos it appears the UK (like their football team) have lost the lead and are no longer the leaders in Europe in the mortality rate competition. Due to their AZ vaccine early roll-out no doubt.
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Originally posted by Iago View Post
how does that work if circa 70% decide they aren't getting the vaccine?
Macron is dead right.
What would you do? Sack or fine each health sector worker that doesn't get it? After everything they've been through and everything they have done for "the greater good"?
I'm sure the French workers will just roll over and take itJayzus, Sheila! I forgot me feckin' trousers
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Originally posted by AndyFatBastard View Post
lolwtf. Military personnel are exempt from bodily autonomy protections because sometimes the government has to order them to risk their lives. It's a very, very narrow exemption to what is otherwise a fundamental human right.
Seems fine to me.I hold silver in tit for tat, and I love you for that
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On rights, everyone has a basic human right. In Ireland for example we get treated in Hospital without the colossal bills you see in the US. We are mostly free to go about our business as long as we are breaking no laws and not harming other people. Now, if there is a WORLDWIDE pandemic and YOU refuse to comply with SAFETY precautions. EVERYBODY is entitled to treat you differently. You are now a THREAT. If I own a PUB – PISS OFF, If I run a hospital – GET OUT.
Feel free to do whatever else you wish with your life paying attention to the laws etc. If you get ILL you will be looked after like the rest of the people in the country , vaccinated or NOT. Now Indoor dining is opening back up next week for people who comply with safety precautions. If you don’t like it, get a takeaway or make yourself a meal of your choice. The freedom that you think you are losing is the freedom you are taking from people by applying your own personal views as to what and what isn’t SAFE. It’s not part of a big Orwellian plan to slowly strip you of your rights. It’s a numbers game to prevent us falling into a health crises. If you are following some other train of thought , think a bit more on the subject and examine logically why the fk would every government in the world for the 1st time in history be plotting together against it’s own citizens .
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Originally posted by hotspur View Post
Case fatality rate is those died by percentage of those infected. It tells you nothing about the mortality rate in a country unless you include the infection rate. Liechtenstein could have had one covid case (Barry) and he died of it thus Liechtenstein would have a 100% case fatality rate.
Anyhoos it appears the UK (like their football team) have lost the lead and are no longer the leaders in Europe in the mortality rate competition. Due to their AZ vaccine early roll-out no doubt.Jayzus, Sheila! I forgot me feckin' trousers
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Originally posted by Pat Mustard View Post
Well its not 70% is it? considering 40% of total population has been done? I'd imagine its close to 10% but this is pure guess work.
What would you do? Sack or fine each health sector worker that doesn't get it? After everything they've been through and everything they have done for "the greater good"?
I'm sure the French workers will just roll over and take it
By leaving it open, you risk mayhem where you cannot replace the skillsets that you would have to move to non-patient facing roles. A blanket vaccinate or be fired may seem like a harsh message but it's only one that makes sense when you're dealing with something that is so vital.
In short I think people are generally going to come down to two positions. Those who feel individual rights are more important than societal ones, and those who don't. I'm unashamedly in the latter group and I've no doubt there are many who are equally vociferous in their support of the former.
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Originally posted by Lazare View PostThis is a really great point, somewhat related to the above..
Im not a huge fan of the pass being used by hospitality, but i also dont have a better alternative, and its not the end of the world if its only for a few weeks/months.
On the hospital thing what can ya do, again dont feel great at forcing people, but whats the alternative to making sure you dont bring highly transmissible diseases into a place full of people that can be killed easily by it. If you feel so strongly as to not get the vaccine backed by all medical evidence, maybe the health service isnt the best place for you to work.airport, lol
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Originally posted by Pat Mustard View Post
RD said mortality rate so just thought I'd fact check his assumption. They are no longer top of the table but will be happy with the consolidation of their champ league spot."We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Originally posted by Iago View PostIn short I think people are generally going to come down to two positions. Those who feel individual rights are more important than societal ones, and those who don't. I'm unashamedly in the latter group and I've no doubt there are many who are equally vociferous in their support of the former.
In normal times, individual rights and greater good governance should exist in a fair degree of equilibrium.
In abnormal times, the government necessarily must place governance above individual rights. This (thankfully) is probably the nearest thing to a war footing we'll ever live through. The government response is designed to get us through to normality with as little loss as possible. For now, people need to accept that the greater good trumps their grievances - and if that means health workers must abide by public health advice or be fired or you have to show a DCC to get into a pub, then so be it. Suck it up.
Put it this way: what would have happened to someone who refused to abide by blackout conditions in London in September 1940?"We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Mate told me about a customer of his he called into recently
She was asking had he got vaccinated and he allowed that he had.
"you'll be dead in 2 years" she says
She went on to claim that that the vaccine is so full of metal that magnets would stick to your body afterwards.
He made some counter arguments which was met with a dismissive "oh, you're one of them"
I was wondering would now be an opportune time to set up dome sort of online conspracy/doom thingy with cultish overtones. given the level of gullibility/insanity out there. Make a fortune selling overpriced tat!
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Originally posted by Micknail View PostAdd-on ^
Would like to see the place if we were like Alabama and the only people still getting sick and dying in hospital are unvaccinated people. #Freedom
The top 20 states are all blue (Democrat). Florida breaks the streak at #21.
The bottom 16 are all red (Republican). Nevada breaks the streak.
Madness. Of all the shit Trump pulled, politicising the pandemic was by far the worst."We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Originally posted by Micknail View PostLaughing how all these lads are anti vacc, still got the vacc, and are still anti vacc
Cunts making me wait until now for mine.
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Originally posted by AndyFatBastard View Postlolwtf. Military personnel are exempt from bodily autonomy protections because sometimes the government has to order them to risk their lives. It's a very, very narrow exemption to what is otherwise a fundamental human right.
But I’m genuinely at a loss how that relates losing bodily autonomy in relation to vaccines. Lost there completely.
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Originally posted by Sickpuppy View Post
Questioning stuff does not make you anti vaccine. Used to be the norm for kids to get abused by priests sure if they questioned it it’s what god wanted it’s for the greater good. Genuinely find it amazing so many allegedly intelligent well travelled people will do whatever this sell out of a government will say. Sure it’s only temporary like USC that’s only temporary too.﴾͡๏̯͡๏﴿
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Originally posted by Micknail View Post
I'd like to question Nicnicnic as to whether he'd prefer to have gotten a jab or spend a long while in intensive care.
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Originally posted by Micknail View PostLaughing how all these lads are anti vacc, still got the vacc, and are still anti vacc
Cunts making me wait until now for mine.airport, lol
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Originally posted by eamonhonda View Post
It's quite healthy and v reasonable for people to question things. And to still come around to what you believe as the right thing. I see the above as a big positive. Would be a dangerous world to live in where everyone did as they were told without question or thought."We're not f*cking Burundi" - Big Phil
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Originally posted by eamonhonda View Post
It's quite healthy and v reasonable for people to question things. And to still come around to what you believe as the right thing. I see the above as a big positive. Would be a dangerous world to live in where everyone did as they were told without question or thought.﴾͡๏̯͡๏﴿
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Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Post
I think there's a lot of major social constructs we should question. Questioning 'harder facts' like approved medicines (even under the dubious guise of 'bodily integrity'), should probably be far down the list of priority questions.
Would prefer to see the questions asked and a discussion had/chance to educate had rather than people getting lost down a rabbit hole on internet of said misinformation .airport, lol
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August 6th French holiday probability.
[****BREAKING MID-JULY 2021 UPDATE****]
~~~ 40%
1. Decent chance that only fully vaccinated will be allowed to travel by then, and wife still hasn't got her first dose
2. The wife might baulk at needing to get PCR tests every few days even if we were allowed to go.
But there's probably going to be strong efforts to keep transport open, so that counts for something, about 40%."We're not f*cking Burundi" - Big Phil
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Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View PostAugust 6th French holiday probability.
[****BREAKING MID-JULY 2021 UPDATE****]
~~~ 40%
1. Decent chance that only fully vaccinated will be allowed to travel by then, and wife still hasn't got her first dose
2. The wife might baulk at needing to get PCR tests every few days even if we were allowed to go.
But there's probably going to be strong efforts to keep transport open, so that counts for something, about 40%.airport, lol
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Personally think once everyone has had at least the opportunity to receive their complete vacc, and then the time for it to 'work' (is it 2nd shot and done or is there a wait period for full immunity?) everything should be reopened back to normal.
If you have decided to still be unvaccinated at that stage, well so be it, best of luck to you.
Fuck going back to the office 5 days a week tho amirite.
@hitch is the missus a young one? My boss is 39 and got her 1st shot mid last week. Thought that was laggy enough for that age?﴾͡๏̯͡๏﴿
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Originally posted by Micknail View PostPersonally think once everyone has had at least the opportunity to receive their complete vacc, and then the time for it to 'work' (is it 2nd shot and done or is there a wait period for full immunity?) everything should be reopened back to normal.
If you have decided to still be unvaccinated at that stage, well so be it, best of luck to you.
Fuck going back to the office 5 days a week tho amirite.
@hitch is the missus a young one? My boss is 39 and got her 1st shot mid last week. Thought that was laggy enough for that age?
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Originally posted by Micknail View PostPersonally think once everyone has had at least the opportunity to receive their complete vacc, and then the time for it to 'work' (is it 2nd shot and done or is there a wait period for full immunity?) everything should be reopened back to normal.
If you have decided to still be unvaccinated at that stage, well so be it, best of luck to you.
Fuck going back to the office 5 days a week tho amirite.
@hitch is the missus a young one? My boss is 39 and got her 1st shot mid last week. Thought that was laggy enough for that age?
There's different wait periods of different vaccines afaik to count as fully vaccinated. One week after second jab for Pfizer. Might be two weeks after AZ, and four weeks after J&J. (not sure)."We're not f*cking Burundi" - Big Phil
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