General Poker Thread

[tipp86]

Cant argue with zuutroy

[tipp86]

Any of ye fancy a teamviewer/skype sweat session? Im back playing 20nl for the month to put more emphasis into my game and not worry about my roll dwindling. I wont be playing much volume anyway so its a learning month for me.

Basically someone watches me for 20 mins and il do the same for them we can then discuss what we think of each others play.

Id prefer one of the reg posters here who play 20 or 50nl as opposed to someone new popping along.

[TommyGunne]

WTF at everyone running shit this month, surely someone must be crushing]

Yeah that'd be me thanks .

Best month ever in every possible way. Up a little over 20k, which is a nice chunk for a 1/2 grinder.

[Flushdraw]

I'm half cut tonight and have company but would be interested to try this tomorrow or during the week for a bit? Will be playing 5-6 tables of 20nl and can do skype or voipcheap?

[tipp86]

Yeah that'd be me thanks .

Best month ever in every possible way. Up a little over 20k, which is a nice chunk for a 1/2 grinder.

Jesus thats a pretty sick month you had a tournament score tho hadnt you?

[tipp86]

I'm half cut tonight and have company but would be interested to try this tomorrow or during the week for a bit? Will be playing 5-6 tables of 20nl and can do skype or voipcheap?

Sounds good Tony drop me a pm or something im free a fair bit of the time. It would show us a different style of play up close and if we could gain anything from it then its a good thing.

[Emmet]

I'm game for this too. Can do screen sharing on skype / mikogo for a sweat session

[shano_88]

I have no idea how to do a sweat session. But might be up for trying one sometime next week if i can.

[tipp86]

I'm game for this too. Can do screen sharing on skype / mikogo for a sweat session

Ya sure drop me a pm we will sort something out for the next day or two. Must get off this now girlfriend is once again cursing IPB and im not messing. The sentence " you have a problem has been used".

[AndyFatBastard]

Definitely up for a sweat session some time during the week.

[BrianByrne]

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em Tournament, 80/160 Blinds (9 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button (t19805)
SB (t2740)
BB (t8860)
UTG (t1680)
UTG+1 (t17803)
MP1 (t3863)
MP2 (t13271)
MP3 (t4040)
Hero (CO) (t4673)

Hero's M: 19.47

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q, K
5 folds, Hero bets t350, 2 folds, BB calls t190

Flop: (t780) 6, 4, Q (2 players)
BB bets t160, Hero raises to t480, BB calls t320

Turn: (t1740) 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (t1740) 2 (2 players)
BB bets t1740, Hero ?



Rush Tournament so no information on player, how do we proceed here?

[BrianByrne]

Any of ye fancy a teamviewer/skype sweat session? Im back playing 20nl for the month to put more emphasis into my game and not worry about my roll dwindling. I wont be playing much volume anyway so its a learning month for me.

Basically someone watches me for 20 mins and il do the same for them we can then discuss what we think of each others play.

Id prefer one of the reg posters here who play 20 or 50nl as opposed to someone new popping along.

Something like this wouldbe great for me as im just starting off at 20NL, I think anyone who is willing to put time and effort in would benefit.

[Emmet]

For sweat sessions, everyone download this.

And then if we can all join a group on Skype it is easy to discuss hands as they are being played. We can easily have 2/3 participants in every session.

I'll set up a group on skype, add me there, my SN is the same as it was in the old place/here for the first while. PM me if you don't know it.

[Emmet]

I'm snapping there Brian btw.

[BrianByrne]

I'm snapping there Brian btw.

you ever sticking it all in?

[Emmet]

nope, just the tip.

[BuChan]

why'd you check the turn? call the river, tho his bet size can't be a good thing.

[tipp86]

Anyone up for a session now or in the next hour or so?

[Emmet]

Had a very short session just watching Tipp play earlier there, and saw a lot of things I was missing out on. Its incredibly beneficial.

Decided to have a REDLINE session before hitting the hay, so just refused to fold and hammer the bet button. It was controlled aggression for the most part.

Few weird moments, when I read a board well and overbet shoved a river, only to be timebank called by 3rd pair. (~hand 500), but that helped me get paid off twice on the same table for full stacks later in the session.

Definitely recommend some more sweat sessions with the lads here, join the IPB group on skype by adding me and we'll invite you in. Download Mikogo as above first.

[tipp86]

Agree with emmet it just shows you a few different thoughts on how to play a hand. Il try find the two hands we discussed there pretty insignificant but maybe there not so we will see what others say.

[shano_88]

Il be around tomorrow to give it a go. Around 11pm id say would suit me best.

[tipp86]

In this hand emmet suggested i flat call or min raise personally i hate both options.


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.20 BB (6 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($20.50)
Button ($20.70)
Hero (SB) ($25.78)
BB ($17.27)
UTG ($5.92)
MP ($3.81)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A, K
1 fold, MP bets $0.60, 2 folds, Hero raises $2.30, 2 folds

Total pot: $1.40

Results:
Hero had A, K.
Outcome: Hero won $3.20


In This hand Emmet feels i should fire at least 2 barrels. I actually agree now but i think checking the flop may have been the best option but once i cbet i think firing the second barrel is something i should have done. Thoughts?


No-Limit Hold'em, $0.20 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (Button) ($20)
SB ($19.79)
BB ($15.71)
UTG ($20.50)
MP ($29.75)
CO ($20.34)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5, J
3 folds, Hero bets $0.40, SB calls $0.30, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($1.20) 5, 9, 6 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.80, 1 fold, BB calls $0.80

Turn: ($2.80) A (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($2.80) 2 (2 players)
BB bets $1, Hero folds

Total pot: $2.80

Results:
BB didn't show
Outcome: BB won $3.66


The final hand we disagreed on is this he feels i should fire out the flop and turn as opposed to me not betting them. I disagreed as i feel we can end up losing a lot of big pots for little gain.

Also the river raise he feels i should make it about 8 which i probably agree on now.


No-Limit Hold'em, $0.20 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($21.66)
UTG ($23.05)
MP ($20.90)
CO ($18.42)
Button ($20.20)
Hero (SB) ($20)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9, J
2 folds, CO calls $0.20, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.10, BB checks

Flop: ($0.60) 8, 6, 10 (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, CO checks

Turn: ($0.60) 5 (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, CO checks

River: ($0.60) 7 (3 players)
Hero bets $0.60, BB raises $1.20, CO calls $1.20, Hero raises $4.20, 1 fold, CO calls $3.60

Total pot: $11.40

Results:
Hero had 9, J (straight, Jack high).
CO had K, 9 (straight, ten high).
Outcome: Hero won $10.83

[tipp86]

Il be around tomorrow to give it a go. Around 11pm id say would suit me best.

May suit me Shano with the time difference and stuff. Hook up with Emmets skype drop me a pm aswell as im not a big skype user.

I wonder should i post a big blind or money graph for the month. The big blind graph makes it a little better viewing with me playing the shallow 100nl tables. Suppose il just throw up the grim money graph.

[shano_88]

1. I like the 3b and i like the sizing. I think minraising is terrible and flatting isnt great either unless hes a uber nit and you wont get it in when he 4bets you.

2. If i bet the flop, Im def firing the turn and firing some some % of rivers.

3. I often take stabs in limp pots so i would probably lead here. I would def lead the turn and I like an overbet on the river.

[Emmet]

The reason for minraising/flatting in hand 1 was because the original raiser has 19bbs. I like a small 3bet to induce a shove. 3betting to normal size means he knows he has no FE, and though he's probably not thinking on that level, he knows that there's no point in bluff shoving.

A small 3bet, maybe to $1.50, will see him shove a lot more, or also call and c/f a lot of flops.

[shano_88]

The reason for minraising/flatting in hand 1 was because the original raiser has 19bbs. I like a small 3bet to induce a shove. 3betting to normal size means he knows he has no FE, and though he's probably not thinking on that level, he knows that there's no point in bluff shoving.

A small 3bet, maybe to $1.50, will see him shove a lot more, or also call and c/f a lot of flops.

I didnt even look at the stack size. I probably would 3 bet a little smaller but tbh i think it makes little difference.

[Bubbleking]

hand 1. fine

hand 2. def check the flop you are going to get c/r a shit tonne there against competent vllains and have to fold.

hand 3. I overbet back raise. you hold the nuts and its likely you will get paid off by the bare 9

[BuChan]

hand 1: fine. min raising is pointless, wtf he's not going to think he has fe.

hand 2: i don't open that hand unsuited unless blinds are total nits/passive fish alive, would fire two as played though.

hand 3: omfg shove! i also bet the flop, were you looking to cr?

[tipp86]

Not sure about shoving thinking making it 8 is fine. Not sure what happened me in that hand think i was kind of distracted and had to look a few time to ensure i had the nuts.

[Line Us]

Hand 1 I'd make the 3bet smaller definitely if he's a regular shortstacker, 1.60 would be fine. Depends on his fold to 3bet stat but alot of those guys fold to too many 3bets(>65%) so you should be 3betting them often and smaller than usual.

[tipp86]

Hand 1 I'd make the 3bet smaller definitely if he's a regular shortstacker, 1.60 would be fine. Depends on his fold to 3bet stat but alot of those guys fold to too many 3bets(>65%) so you should be 3betting them often and smaller than usual.

Wouldnt think he was a reg shortstacker min buy in is 8 a reg shortstacker will usually have the min buy in.

[Line Us]

Ah right, If he's just a random donk with 19bbs then it doesn't matter really.

[AndyFatBastard]

Heading into my last session of January, I've ran 10 buyins above EV over 16k hands! Thank god I'm such a luckbox or this would have been the worst month EVAR.

[Dice75]

Limped multiway pot early - flop quads.
Best way to extract value?
When to raise / repop?
Not necessarily this hand but in general.



PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 12 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker Hand Converter from PokerConverter.com

saw flop

CO (t1500)
Button (t1490)
SB (t1480)
BB (t1480)
UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1570)
Hero (MP1) (t1500)
MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1480)

Hero's M: 50.00

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 2, 2
UTG calls t20, UTG+1 calls t20, Hero calls t20, 4 folds, SB calls t10, BB checks

Flop: (t100) 2, 2, 9 (5 players)
SB bets t40, 1 fold, UTG calls t40, 1 fold, Hero calls t40

Turn: (t220) 7 (3 players)
SB bets t60, 1 fold, Hero calls t60

River: (t340) K (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t140, SB calls t140

Total pot: t620

[tipp86]

Limped multiway pot early - flop quads.
Best way to extract value?
When to raise / repop?
Not necessarily this hand but in general.



PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 12 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker Hand Converter from PokerConverter.com

saw flop

CO (t1500)
Button (t1490)
SB (t1480)
BB (t1480)
UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1570)
Hero (MP1) (t1500)
MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1480)

Hero's M: 50.00

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 2, 2
UTG calls t20, UTG+1 calls t20, Hero calls t20, 4 folds, SB calls t10, BB checks

Flop: (t100) 2, 2, 9 (5 players)
SB bets t40, 1 fold, UTG calls t40, 1 fold, Hero calls t40

Turn: (t220) 7 (3 players)
SB bets t60, 1 fold, Hero calls t60

River: (t340) K (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t140, SB calls t140

Total pot: t620

Raise turn but make it a nice friendly raise. Small half pot bet on river.

[theshortstack]

So it's time for me to start usuing IPB more reg. I like the discussion threads and people posting there graphs at the end of the month, it's a great incentive for players to do well.
So I joined partimepoker.com June last year, December I was lucky enough to be picked up by stevethewebguy http://officialpokerrankings.com/ful...2, bett0rthanu http://officialpokerrankings.com/ful...7F0E5.html?t=2 and jugadormejor http://officialpokerrankings.com/ful...1F7A2.html?t=2 under a full student coaching, stakeing deal for full tilt 45 man's starting @ $5 and $11's. I recieve 3 hours of HH review every Monday with the above names and go over certain spots daily on skype and mikogo, Last night I hit my 500 games mark below is my chart, I will post my charts monthly as of this week I should be steping up to the $26's fingers crossed.Below is my chart for my first 501 games.


TheSh0rtStack09 501 $3 $5 47% $1,595 Tilt N/A FullTilt Last501 E45-45 S5-10 SNG Only

[ianmc38]

Tip J5o OTB is a fold for me even unless the BB is 12/9 or has an exceptionally high fold BB to steal stat. Hand 1 is an auto 3bet, i'd be firing the turn all the time and in hand 3 your sizing is fine. i'd hate a shove as 9x should is an easy fold vs a shove.

[A_CitizenErased]

If I have K,10 on the button and utg has raised the big blind x 4. Should i be calling or raising? Donk question maybe. Just finding it happening to me a lot recently.

[aodea]

Genius

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 5.4 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (10 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG+1 (t1500)
UTG+2 (t1400)
MP1 (t1330)
MP2 (t1370)
MP3 (t1470)
CO (t1470)
Button (t2040)
SB (t1280)
Hero (BB) (t1500)
UTG (t1640)

Hero's M: 50.00

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, K
8 folds, SB bets t40, Hero raises to t1500 (All-In), SB calls t1240 (All-In)

Flop: (t2560) 10, 2, 8 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: (t2560) A (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t2560) 2 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: t2560

Results:
SB had 2, 7 (three of a kind, twos).
Hero had K, K (two pair, Kings and twos).
Outcome: SB won t2560

[bp_me]

Why shove?

[ikilldurrr1]

If I have K,10 on the button and utg has raised the big blind x 4. Should i be calling or raising? Donk question maybe. Just finding it happening to me a lot recently.

Fold, fold, fold. Think of his utg range. So many hands have you dominated. Just fold.

[A_CitizenErased]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 5.4 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (10 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG+1 (t1500)
UTG+2 (t1400)
MP1 (t1330)
MP2 (t1370)
MP3 (t1470)
CO (t1470)
Button (t2040)
SB (t1280)
Hero (BB) (t1500)
UTG (t1640)

Hero's M: 50.00

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, K
8 folds, SB bets t40, Hero raises to t1500 (All-In), SB calls t1240 (All-In)

Flop: (t2560) 10, 2, 8 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: (t2560) A (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t2560) 2 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: t2560

Results:
SB had 2, 7 (three of a kind, twos).
Hero had K, K (two pair, Kings and twos).
Outcome: SB won t2560

Judging by the blinds that 1,500 is your starting stack so why you shoving?

[AndyFatBastard]

Just finished a good sweat session there with Sledgejammer and Brian Byrne. Picked up a decent bluffing spot and had a lot of good reinforcement from Sledge. Will definitely do another when I can.

[BrianByrne]

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[tipp86]

If I have K,10 on the button and utg has raised the big blind x 4. Should i be calling or raising? Donk question maybe. Just finding it happening to me a lot recently.

Terrible question really. So many variables the fact you ask the question suggests to me it should always be a fold.

In poker there is spots where its a great time to call on the button and there is times when its terrible.

Eg: Utg is 500bbs deep and pretty fishy and we cover this makes it a great spot to call.

Utg is a shortstack then its a terrible call.

A lot depends on your skill level vs opponent and stack sizes so there is really no answer to the question.

[TommyGunne]

KT there is pretty much always a fold. It would have to be absolutely exceptional circumstances to call.

[Moneymaker]

KT there is pretty much always a fold. It would have to be absolutely exceptional circumstances to call.

Soooooooooooooted?

[Bubbleking]

Terrible question really.

ah easy up we were all beginners at some stage

[shano_88]

Sweat session was very beneficial. Def recomend people to give it a go. Thanks to Tipp and Sledge for the rail and comments.

[tipp86]

ah easy up we were all beginners at some stage

Ah i didnt mean it in that way tho if i did i would have left it at that. I probably should have worded it a bit better anyway.

[bohsman]

Pokertrackers looking sweet, no hands played for the month, can forget all about last months downswing.

[tipp86]

Pokertrackers looking sweet, no hands played for the month, can forget all about last months downswing.

Ha it would cheer you up allright.

[shano_88]

Strange one. Villian is 21/7 over 80 hands. Have no reads on him at all.



Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($50.25)
BB ($50)
UTG ($49.75)
MP ($52.45)
Hero (Button) ($71.70)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5, K
2 folds, Hero bets $1.25, 1 fold, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.75) A, 7, 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.50, BB raises to $4.50, Hero calls $3

Turn: ($11.75) 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $7.50, BB raises to $23.50, Hero calls $16

River: ($58.75) Q (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $22, 1 fold

Total pot: $58.75 | Rake: $2.90

Results:
Hero didn't show 5, K (nothing).
Outcome: $58.75 returned to Hero



Anyone play it any differently?

[colquhom]

Strange one. Villian is 21/7 over 80 hands. Have no reads on him at all.



Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($50.25)
BB ($50)
UTG ($49.75)
MP ($52.45)
Hero (Button) ($71.70)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5, K
2 folds, Hero bets $1.25, 1 fold, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.75) A, 7, 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.50, BB raises to $4.50, Hero calls $3

Turn: ($11.75) 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $7.50, BB raises to $23.50, Hero calls $16

River: ($58.75) Q (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $22, 1 fold

Total pot: $58.75 | Rake: $2.90

Results:
Hero didn't show 5, K (nothing).
Outcome: $58.75 returned to Hero



Anyone play it any differently?

1) You can check flop but betting is fine.
2) Also, I know it sounds weird, but the only hand in his value range that you now beat on the turn assuming he's normal is A7, so in reality although the absolute value of your hand has improved drastically but relatively, you're still behind most of his value range so you should probably check the turn and let him improve to some sort of second best hand if a heart comes or bluff maybe again.
3) I'd prob jam the turn because id find it very hard to fold and you won't get paid on a heart, 5, 7 or ace river.
4) I'd certainly jam the river once he checks.

[Guest]

Bit of a mess of a hand. Flop bet size is absolutely awful (was 12 tabling and nearly timed out) Think I shoulda bet the turn, but I didn't really know what to do if shoved on....maths I suppose! UTG is a tight solid reg and SB is a drooler, but he has shown himself to be capable of folding occasionally and doesn't autobet when checked to.

IPoker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

SB: $51.34
BB: $51.34
UTG: $60.66
Hero (CO): $50
BTN: $48.39

Pre-Flop: 7 7 dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG raises to $2, Hero calls $2, BTN calls $2, SB calls $1.75, BB folds

Flop: ($8.50) 7 5 2 (4 Players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $5, BTN calls $5, SB calls $5, UTG folds

Turn: ($23.50) 4 (3 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $11.75, SB calls $11.75, Hero calls $11.75

River: ($58.75) 8 (3 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $29.64 and is All-In, SB raises to $32.59 and is All-In

[Guest]

lol I just had AA and KK 27 times in an 1100 hand session...Total profit from them: 80bb

[RoadSweeper]

Bit of a mess of a hand. Flop bet size is absolutely awful (was 12 tabling and nearly timed out) Think I shoulda bet the turn, but I didn't really know what to do if shoved on....maths I suppose! UTG is a tight solid reg and SB is a drooler, but he has shown himself to be capable of folding occasionally and doesn't autobet when checked to.

IPoker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

SB: $51.34
BB: $51.34
UTG: $60.66
Hero (CO): $50
BTN: $48.39

Pre-Flop: 7 7 dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG raises to $2, Hero calls $2, BTN calls $2, SB calls $1.75, BB folds

Flop: ($8.50) 7 5 2 (4 Players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $5, BTN calls $5, SB calls $5, UTG folds

Turn: ($23.50) 4 (3 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $11.75, SB calls $11.75, Hero calls $11.75

River: ($58.75) 8 (3 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $29.64 and is All-In, SB raises to $32.59 and is All-In

Fold. Tons or straights and flushes

[Guest]

The fish had J2...so great read there by me...and the reg had the underset. I was so annoyed....worse than a beat!

[shano_88]

Villian is a complete unknown. 20/0 over 8 hands. He snapcalled the 4b fwiw.


Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

Hero (MP) ($50)
Button ($49.25)
SB ($122.60)
BB ($49.55)
UTG ($50.75)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K, K
1 fold, Hero bets $1.50, Button raises to $4, 2 folds, Hero raises to $10.50, Button calls $6.50

Flop: ($21.75) J, J, A (2 players)
Hero ?

[AndyFatBastard]

Shano: probably best to just check/fold flop. Guys occasionally call 4bets with random junk but it's usually AK. Definitely bet the turn if he checks behind. Not much else to say about the hand really.