I'm guessing it is the principle of the FA doing it over his head, as well as the innocent until guilty aspect of it that annoyed him so much. The FA probably wanted him to publicly apologise and he told them where to jump, and rightly so.
Any manager worth their salt would resign in Capello's position. The FA have handled the whole thing atrociously.
In saying that Terry should have stepped down himself in the 1st place. Guilty or not.
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hand back the company vehicle and phone tomorrow, going to be so weird to be finally finished up with the company, been there 7 years. Huge change ahead, back to working in an office environment instead of on the road, but excited at the new challenge. Plus, signing a contract with "EA games" at the top of it is awesome Free games!!!
I'm guessing it is the principle of the FA doing it over his head, as well as the innocent until guilty aspect of it that annoyed him so much. The FA probably wanted him to publicly apologise and he told them where to jump, and rightly so.
The innocent until proven guilty argument just doesn't stand up at all, he simply couldn't be allowed lead the national team with a charge like that sitting over his head. Its the very same as the Cabinet Minister , Huhne resigning his post last week when he was eventually charged with transferring penalty points to another licence.
I doubt very much that Capello is too dumb to understand that so I'd suspect that there was more serious breakdown in communication going on between him and the FA and he went out of his way to get fired.
Seen a good chase close up of two knacker driven hi-ace vans by a cavalcade of marked and unmarked garda cars around the coachmans airport roundabout at high speed a bit earlier this evening as i was stopped on the roundabout. Must have been 8 cars in hot pursuit of the two vans. I figure the travellers were on the lam after the teenage girl shooting and the garda want to collar some scroats for info.
surely all the Leinster heads will agree that ROG must start on Saturday? Theres no point trying to spread the ball to a misfiring backline especially if Earls is going back in at 13. What was annoying against Wales is that Sexton seemed to be kicking in behind them a lot in the 2nd half and missed a few kicks. Surely if you want to play ROG's game you don't get a poor mans impersonator to do it.
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The most galling thing from Sunday's debacle for me was the amount of people I came across who had a reaction along the lines of 'ah well, we didn't deserve to win - it would have been a disgrace if the Welsh had lost'. What the fuck? Who cares about the Welsh or who "should" win matches all of a sudden? You play to win the fucking game. We fucked it up royally on Sunday, one of the least pleasant Irish Rugby experiences I can remember (and there's been a few).
To be perfectly honest, it might be time to start thinking about whether we could develop a third option at outhalf between now and the world cup. I don't think we're ever going to do a whole lot with Sexton as the starter.
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The innocent until proven guilty argument just doesn't stand up at all, he simply couldn't be allowed lead the national team with a charge like that sitting over his head. Its the very same as the Cabinet Minister , Huhne resigning his post last week when he was eventually charged with transferring penalty points to another licence.
I doubt very much that Capello is too dumb to understand that so I'd suspect that there was more serious breakdown in communication going on between him and the FA and he went out of his way to get fired.
But do you think they should have went over his head to do it? Also, the England captaincy is not comparable to an elected official who is a government minister. I agree that there would have been a huge distraction if he was captain, and that would have been the main focus of the media a lot of the time, but he should have been involved in the decision to do it, rather than the FA just deciding to do it due to the usual tabloid media circus.
Was it ever going to be anything else really? The trailers look terrible, and it's the worst film title since "Snakes on a Plane", which although I haven't see it, has a decent cult following I believe.
Was it ever going to be anything else really? The trailers look terrible, and it's the worst film title since "Snakes on a Plane", which although I haven't see it, has a decent cult following I believe.
Ah yeah, but you know - Unlimited card and all that.
Obviously they manage to work "We have a man on a ledge" into the dialogue within the first 15 minutes of the film. Well played lads, well played.
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But do you think they should have went over his head to do it?
I'd speculate that either they did tell him how it was going to be and he went on TV because he wanted out or they did not discuss it because the FA wanted him out.
I'm guessing it is the principle of the FA doing it over his head, as well as the innocent until guilty aspect of it that annoyed him so much. The FA probably wanted him to publicly apologise and he told them where to jump, and rightly so.
The FA certainly could not have handled the situation worse, and I can completely understand why Capello resigned, but I'm amused and bemused at Capello's persistent devotion to Terry ... He reinstated Terry as captain when there appeared no pressing need to do so, and couldn't countenance the idea that a player whose best days are behind him, who is deeply unpopular among teammates, who is no stranger to controversy and who will have to play the next major tournament under the shadow of a court case should not be captain.
Tbh the whole scenario feels like Capello wanted out, the FA wanted him gone, and this was a convenient pretence for a parting of the ways.
The idea of a lovelorn Capello telling the mean blazers at the Fa to leave his bff alone does make me chuckle though
Interview with Roy Keane on England's exit from the 2010 FIFA World Cup.
Seems to me that any Senior Manager in any professional walk of life would be likely to resign if they weren't consulted by the board of directors before their key appointee was demoted. Fair play to Capello. The FA is an absolute shambles of an organisation and that has been ruthlessly exposed (through their own doing) over the past few months.
"Worldly wisdom teaches that it is better for reputation to fail conventionally than to succeed unconventionally." - John Maynard Keynes
The FA certainly could not have handled the situation worse, and I can completely understand why Capello resigned, but I'm amused and bemused at Capello's persistent devotion to Terry ... He reinstated Terry as captain when there appeared no pressing need to do so, and couldn't countenance the idea that a player whose best days are behind him, who is deeply unpopular among teammates, who is no stranger to controversy and who will have to play the next major tournament under the shadow of a court case should not be captain.
Tbh the whole scenario feels like Capello wanted out, the FA wanted him gone, and this was a convenient pretence for a parting of the ways.
The idea of a lovelorn Capello telling the mean blazers at the Fa to leave his bff alone does make me chuckle though
Football managers choose captains. If there are extraordinary circumstances and a national association (or club chairman) are adamant that the captain of the manager's choosing must be stripped of the honour, then they should obviously consult with the manager before making / announcing such a decision.
Going to be a lot of drooling John Terry haters missing the point on this one.
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Football managers choose captains. If there are extraordinary circumstances and a national association (or club chairman) are adamant that the captain of the manager's choosing must be stripped of the honour, then they should obviously consult with the manager before making / announcing such a decision.
Why?
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because you hire the manager to take responsibility for all footballing issues
because choosing a captain is an important aspect of setting authority in the dressing room
because it is mere courtesy to inform the man who you hired to take responsibility for all footballing issues before you override one of those decisions
and ultimately because by behaving in this fashion, the FA demonstrated an utter lack of respect for one of the finest coaches of the modern era
"Worldly wisdom teaches that it is better for reputation to fail conventionally than to succeed unconventionally." - John Maynard Keynes
I have had a really shit last three weeks here, back & neck in bits, face killing me recently, work has been really shit, literally nothing went right and was considering packing it all in and moving to bahamas. everything was one problem after another.
Today however I had a meeting with a decent enough school and now I have my first paying rugby coaching job. its not much but really has brightened my day up a lot. Still have a long way to go but its nice all the same
Football managers choose captains. If there are extraordinary circumstances and a national association (or club chairman) are adamant that the captain of the manager's choosing must be stripped of the honour, then they should obviously consult with the manager before making / announcing such a decision.
Going to be a lot of drooling John Terry haters missing the point on this one.
The FA did contact Capello before the announcement (though I'll concede it would be a stretch to say they consulted him) and were aware that he was going to react negatively. It seems reasonable then that they considered the possibility that Capello would step down, and weren't especially put out by it.
Can't get HM HUD to appear on paddy power. The hands are been saved and appearing in HM, but I can't find the location on my C drive. There's nothing in the C:Poker/paddypower folder.
because you hire the manager to take responsibility for all footballing issues
because choosing a captain is an important aspect of setting authority in the dressing room
because it is mere courtesy to inform the man who you hired to take responsibility for all footballing issues before you override one of those decisions
and ultimately because by behaving in this fashion, the FA demonstrated an utter lack of respect for one of the finest coaches of the modern era
So you think its plausible that England could be allowed to go to Euro 12 with Terry as Capitan?
That would be even more imbecilic than the drool you were spilling earlier.
Pick one coach, per continent, that you feel has had the greatest fucking-over in recent history? You can exclude North America and Australasia. Interesting exercise.
because you hire the manager to take responsibility for all footballing issues
because choosing a captain is an important aspect of setting authority in the dressing room
because it is mere courtesy to inform the man who you hired to take responsibility for all footballing issues before you override one of those decisions
and ultimately because by behaving in this fashion, the FA demonstrated an utter lack of respect for one of the finest coaches of the modern era
because you hire the manager to take responsibility for all footballing issues
because choosing a captain is an important aspect of setting authority in the dressing room
because it is mere courtesy to inform the man who you hired to take responsibility for all footballing issues before you override one of those decisions
and ultimately because by behaving in this fashion, the FA demonstrated an utter lack of respect for one of the finest coaches of the modern era
Not sure why you're LOL'ing. I was genuinely interested in your take. Christ you can't have any discussion without resorting to this stuff can you?
I asked because you compared it to a corporate environment and I was going to take umbrage with the analogy. Capello himself has dismissed the importancy of the role of Captain because in football the Captain really has no specific role other than picking a side of the coin and shaking hands. While there are motivational aspects and certain kudos to the role it is ultimately a pointless position in many ways.
Capello made a fool of himself in this mess anyway. He immediately stripped Terry of the armband for an alleged sexual indiscretion he has always denied but insisted he keep it when he is under criminal prosecution. That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. It's probably the right decision to step down following the move by the FA but, to be honest, if he wasn't going to do what he's paid to do (make good decisions).
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Can he reference a source or is it one of those cases where historians feel they are unable to print the truth?
No, he can't list a source off hand. But he maintains that it isn't a foreign idea to him, ergo he came across it in a book or a lecture somewhere. Not helpful at all mind, but there you go.
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Not sure why you're LOL'ing. I was genuinely interested in your take. Christ you can't have any discussion without resorting to this stuff can you?
I asked because you compared it to a corporate environment and I was going to take umbrage with the analogy. Capello himself has dismissed the importancy of the role of Captain because in football the Captain really has no specific role other than picking a side of the coin and shaking hands. While there are motivational aspects and certain kudos to the role it is ultimately a pointless position in many ways.
Capello made a fool of himself in this mess anyway. He immediately stripped Terry of the armband for an alleged sexual indiscretion he has always denied but insisted he keep it when he is under criminal prosecution. That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. It's probably the right decision to step down following the move by the FA but, to be honest, if he wasn't going to do what he's paid to do (make good decisions).
Stop fixating on Terry or what a captain actually does. It's a chain of command and professional respect issue, and the substance of Capello's position would translate well to many organisations.
Also, you asked why a manager should pick a captain and be consulted if they are summarily stripped of the honour. Come on Keith, you can't be serious asking that!
"Worldly wisdom teaches that it is better for reputation to fail conventionally than to succeed unconventionally." - John Maynard Keynes
The most galling thing from Sunday's debacle for me was the amount of people I came across who had a reaction along the lines of 'ah well, we didn't deserve to win - it would have been a disgrace if the Welsh had lost'. What the fuck? Who cares about the Welsh or who "should" win matches all of a sudden? You play to win the fucking game. We fucked it up royally on Sunday, one of the least pleasant Irish Rugby experiences I can remember (and there's been a few).
To be perfectly honest, it might be time to start thinking about whether we could develop a third option at outhalf between now and the world cup. I don't think we're ever going to do a whole lot with Sexton as the starter.
lol, there's about a million worse games we've played.
lol, there's about a million worse games we've played.
But few enough where we throw away a winning position in the last three minutes. Far too many where it's long over before the last three minutes I agree.
"Worldly wisdom teaches that it is better for reputation to fail conventionally than to succeed unconventionally." - John Maynard Keynes
I dont get the whole Harry Rednapp lovefest with english media, but they seem fixated on getting a english manger. So he takes the national job part time while managing a team fighting for title?
Stop fixating on Terry or what a captain actually does. It's a chain of command and professional respect issue, and the substance of Capello's position would translate well to many organisations.
Also, you asked why a manager should pick a captain and be consulted if they are summarily stripped of the honour. Come on Keith, you can't be serious asking that!
Actually I think the importance placed on the role was initially by you so if I seek to challenge that I will.
As for my questioning why he should be removed I have given my position on that. Capello should have done it himself. By not doing it he lost the dressing room anyway. The FA had to do something about Terry. He was their most visible public representative and he was about to go abroad to an international tournament. He HAD to lose the captaincy and Capello wouldn't do it. If someone who worked for me refused to do his job properly and take the appropriate decisions when they presented themselves and live with the fallout then I would simply go over his head as happened. That's how a chain of command works. Capello failed to do his job so the next level kicked in.
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I dont get the whole Harry Rednapp lovefest with english media, but they seem fixated on getting a english manger. So he takes the national job part time while managing a team fighting for title?
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"We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
Can he reference a source or is it one of those cases where historians feel they are unable to print the truth?
Famine history in this country was actually a class when I was studying History. Not the history of the famine mind you, the history of the history. It's actually quite fascinating how the way it is viewed changes depending on the prevailing political climate. Similar thing happened with Padraig Pearse and Collins.
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But few enough where we throw away a winning position in the last three minutes. Far too many where it's long over before the last three minutes I agree.
Losing to the last minute French try was 100 times worse. Also losing to scotland at home 2010. The incompetent Kidney should have been sacked straight after that one, yet we still have to put up with his ineptness two years later.
The innocent until proven guilty argument just doesn't stand up at all, he simply couldn't be allowed lead the national team with a charge like that sitting over his head. Its the very same as the Cabinet Minister , Huhne resigning his post last week when he was eventually charged with transferring penalty points to another licence.
I doubt very much that Capello is too dumb to understand that so I'd suspect that there was more serious breakdown in communication going on between him and the FA and he went out of his way to get fired.
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Is that how you crash a wedding? yes it is, Bionic Barry, yes it is.
Actually I think the importance placed on the role was initially by you so if I seek to challenge that I will.
As for my questioning why he should be removed I have given my position on that. Capello should have done it himself. By not doing it he lost the dressing room anyway. The FA had to do something about Terry. He was their most visible public representative and he was about to go abroad to an international tournament. He HAD to lose the captaincy and Capello wouldn't do it. If someone who worked for me refused to do his job properly and take the appropriate decisions when they presented themselves and live with the fallout then I would simply go over his head as happened. That's how a chain of command works. Capello failed to do his job so the next level kicked in.
I'm still not sure why Terry HAD to lose the captaincy though. I can't see how Capello taking a decision that should be in his hands, and making it is deemed a failure to do his job properly.
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