Bad beat/Moaning/Venting thread - Mammy told me not to come.

[Raoul Duke III]

Maybe the Brits should put Joe Root in charge of Brexit. Leadership.

[Tar.Aldarion]

Lessons not learned from the last election, let's go back and read what everybody said about Trump on here?

[FeetMagic]

His last posts were to abuse me so I can only assume that his life is wonderful and he carrys on without a care in the world.

That was pretty good tbf

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[hotspur]

Solskjaer, now go home and and get your fucking shine box. (not you Willie)

[Lao Lao]

There's some amount of scrotes on the 6:15 flight to Amsterdam for a Wednesday.

[Raoul Duke III]

There's some amount of scrotes on the 6:15 flight to Amsterdam for a Wednesday.

ha, I'm on that route quite a bit. Interesting characters, especially on the way back.

[Raoul Duke III]

Lessons not learned from the last election, let's go back and read what everybody said about Trump on here?

The point is simply this:
what Europeans would wish an American president to look like is not what Americans want.

[Raoul Duke III]

An old dude versus a young exciting person is a very different proposition. Know and accept that Warren and Sanders are unelectable, but AOB is something else and a cool version of something else.

Think everyone's waiting for Beto in any case. Beto enters and I think with a high probability Trump exits. Anyone else not so sure as they all seem a bit like non-entities. AOB being the one wildcard providing she is old enough to run.

you mean AOC and not the leading Irish racehorse trainer.

or maybe you don't!

[bohsman]

The point is simply this:
what Europeans would wish an American president to look like is not what Americans want.

I think she would get a lot more support than Hillary did in 2016, a lot of Sanders supporters for example wouldn't have been too happy to get behind Clinton, if that works out with swing states etc I don't know.
Considering the panic of Russian bots on social media influencing the last election I think you might be underestimating the power of her social media presence too.

[Solksjaer!]

Solskjaer, now go home and and get your fucking shine box. (not you Willie)

Ah here, don’t diss the precious. . A breath of fresh hobbit air about the place. Outclassed by PSG (expected by me anyway) , move on to the much easier challenge now. Liverpool at Old Trafford.

PSG look much better without Neymar hogging the ball and the attention

[The Situation]

PSG look much better without Neymar hogging the ball and the attention

Have to agree with that, there was a lot of grit and hardiness to that performance yesterday that I haven't seen from them before in Europe. He's infuriating to watch at times so you'd have to think he'd be similar to play alongside.

[NewApproach]

On the vegetarian/vegan point, do those who don’t eat meat place value on the animal experiencing life to some degree prior to their slaughter? In an instance where the animal lived a completely natural life (insert gif of a lamb frolicking in a field), and the slaughter was immediate, pain free and effectively unknown to the animal, does the position change at all? In a completely vegetarian world, the same animal may never have been born in the first instance.

I appreciate this is an unachievable position given global meat consumption, but curious to know your thoughts nonetheless.

[Raoul Duke III]

I think she would get a lot more support than Hillary did in 2016, a lot of Sanders supporters for example wouldn't have been too happy to get behind Clinton, if that works out with swing states etc I don't know.
Considering the panic of Russian bots on social media influencing the last election I think you might be underestimating the power of her social media presence too.

that's the key - you have to play to middle America.

Pennsylvania, Michigan, Florida, Ohio etc; that's where the presidency is won and lost. And they don't think much of leftie East Coast types.

[DeadParrot]

I think she would get a lot more support than Hillary did in 2016, a lot of Sanders supporters for example wouldn't have been too happy to get behind Clinton, if that works out with swing states etc I don't know.
Considering the panic of Russian bots on social media influencing the last election I think you might be underestimating the power of her social media presence too.

more Bernie supporters supported hillary
than hillary supporters supported Obama

[DeadParrot]

Ah here, don’t diss the precious. . A breath of fresh hobbit air about the place. Outclassed by PSG (expected by me anyway) , move on to the much easier challenge now. Liverpool at Old Trafford.

PSG look much better without Neymar hogging the ball and the attention

[Strewelpeter]

more Bernie supporters supported hillary
than hillary supporters supported Obama

QI if true but I'd ve sceptical of anything less than solid evidence of that.

[Strewelpeter]

I think what Raoul misses about the swing states and middle america is that by definition their position changes.
I know the culture has become so polarised that the word socialism contains a toxicity that will kill any campaign using it but that might not prevent this generation of young mainly female democrats reframing their position around delivery of a European type social democratic model without actually using the S word.

[Raoul Duke III]

I think what Raoul misses about the swing states and middle america is that by definition their position changes.
I know the culture has become so polarised that the word socialism contains a toxicity that will kill any campaign using it but that might not prevent this generation of young mainly female democrats reframing their position around delivery of a European type social democratic model without actually using the S word.

Sure but I think you will grant me the fact that Middle America is a very different place - culturally, politically - from Mitteleuropa.

And what flies in one does not fly in the other. America is becoming more different from Europe btw so I'm not sure about your convergence theory.

[bohsman]

more Bernie supporters supported hillary
than hillary supporters supported Obama

I'd be curious about how that's measured more than anything. Sanders fan to not voting, Sanders fan to voting anti-trump, Sanders fan to actively supporting a Clinton would be my breakdown with a guess at not enough actively supporting her.

[Strewelpeter]

Sure but I think you will grant me the fact that Middle America is a very different place - culturally, politically - from Mitteleuropa.

And what flies in one does not fly in the other. America is becoming more different from Europe btw so I'm not sure about your convergence theory.

If they are stupid enough to swing from Obama to believing that Trump was going to be the saviour of the $40 - $70K pa households then they should be just as able to vote for someone who wants to see those families get access to healthcare.
They did vote for FDR repeatedly at a time when communism was a genuine possibility.

[Raoul Duke III]

If they are stupid enough to swing from Obama to believing that Trump was going to be the saviour of the $40 - $70K pa households then they should be just as able to vote for someone who wants to see those families get access to healthcare.
They did vote for FDR repeatedly at a time when communism was a genuine possibility.

FDR was a rich patrician and very far from a socialist....and that was nearly 100 years ago.

[Guest]

I'm reading AC Graylings The Meaning of Things, small 2-3 page pieces on different virtues, I thought this was so apt on the virtue of "Nationalism" published in 2001

The nationalist persuades us that the existence of other groups and cultures somehow puts these things at risk, and that the only way to protect them is to see ourselves as members of a distinct collective, defined by ethnicity, geography, or sameness of language or religion, and to build a wall around ourselves to keep out ‘foreigners’.

[Strewelpeter]

FDR was a rich patrician and very far from a socialist....and that was nearly 100 years ago.

2019
-1944
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Nearly a hundred years in the sense that you are nearly 70 years old

A rich patrician who taxed and invested more in infrastructure than the current crop of democrats would dream of, and his call it what you like but definitely not socialist program of tax and spend carried on right up until Nixon.
Eventually those who did best from not having to pay any tax got to put a senile actor into the role of president to sell a meme to the American people that taxing the rich was the same thing as accepting totalitarian communism, and fair play to him he sold it and they (and braindead libertarians all over the world) bought it hook line and sinker

[DeadParrot]

QI if true but I'd ve sceptical of anything less than solid evidence of that.

I'd be curious about how that's measured more than anything. Sanders fan to not voting, Sanders fan to voting anti-trump, Sanders fan to actively supporting a Clinton would be my breakdown with a guess at not enough actively supporting her.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/24/16194086/bernie-trump-voters-study

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/08/24/did-enough-bernie-sanders-supporters-vote-for-trump-to-cost-clinton-the-election/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.9a6ee3fe4aef

Another useful comparison is to 2008, when the question was whether Clinton supporters would vote for Barack Obama or John McCain (R-Ariz.) Based on data from the 2008 Cooperative Campaign Analysis Project, a YouGov survey that also interviewed respondents multiple times during the campaign, 24 percent of people who supported Clinton in the primary as of March 2008 then reported voting for McCain in the general election.

[shrapnel]

free solo now available in 1080

SPOILER

[bohsman]

Actually that's kind of making my point DP, 25% of Hillary voters switched to McCain ffs. How even 12% of Sanders supporters managed to vote for Trump I have no idea but it more pushes the case that Hillary might have been the lesser of two evils for Sanders voters.

[Keane]

The takes in here today are hotter than the surface of the sun.

[Opr]

Free Solo is very good. 'Man On Wire' type of stuff. It's about a guy who climbs rock faces without a harness and his journey to climb one of the most difficult places in the world which no one has ever done before without a safety rope.

An interesting part in it is when they do a brain MRI they discover that the part of the brain responsible for fear response is almost completely dormant in him. I guess that answers the question is there something wrong with these people.



Opr

[Goodluck2me]

free solo now available in 1080

SPOILER

Free Solo is very good. 'Man On Wire' type of stuff. It's about a guy who climbs rock faces without a harness and his journey to climb one of the most difficult places in the world which no one has ever done before without a safety rope.

An interesting part in it is when they do a brain MRI they discover that the part of the brain responsible for fear response is almost completely dormant in him. I guess that answers the question is there something wrong with these people.



Opr

Sounds fascinating. Is it on Netflix?

[Emmet]

Prefer Quinoa anyway

[Guest]

Declan Rice makes it official

https://twitter.com/_DeclanRice/status/1095714256421560320?s=20

[Solksjaer!]

Declan Rice makes it official

https://twitter.com/_DeclanRice/stat...421560320?s=20

They took our Spuds , they can keep the Rice.

[Guest]

Prefer Quinoa anyway

Missed that, levels

[elbows]

Declan Rice makes it official

https://twitter.com/_DeclanRice/stat...421560320?s=20

His Uncle Ben played a big part in the decision

[Strewelpeter]

Are businesses getting a kickback from mobile operators for having 0818 and 1890 numbers instead of just an ordinary landline number that is included in peoples mobile calls bundle?

25 minutes left hanging on an 0818 number trying to spend money with a bunch of cunce listening to how valuable my call was to them... not fucking valuable enough to let me spend money with you, you fucking pricks.

It was only as it went on that it occurred to me that maybe this isn't a free phone, obv I hung up once I realised it was costing me as an out of bundle number on three


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By the start of December 2019 , COMREG will make all telecoms provders include 0818, 1890, 1850 and 076 numbers in bundles . The charge for all these numbers will be the same as calling a geographic number ( i.e landline) from Dec 1st 2019.

[Strewelpeter]

His Uncle Ben played a big part in the decision

Ah Heyor

[shrapnel]

Sounds fascinating. Is it on Netflix?

Don't think so. Available in all the usual places though

[Goodluck2me]

Are businesses getting a kickback from mobile operators for having 0818 and 1890 numbers instead of just an ordinary landline number that is included in peoples mobile calls bundle?

25 minutes left hanging on an 0818 number trying to spend money with a bunch of cunce listening to how valuable my call was to them... not fucking valuable enough to let me spend money with you, you fucking pricks.

It was only as it went on that it occurred to me that maybe this isn't a free phone, obv I hung up once I realised it was costing me as an out of bundle number on three


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Reminded me of a poster I saw in college which said

WANT TO GET RICH QUICK?
Set up a premium rate phone number
CALL 1850 XXXXXX to find out how!

Don't think so. Available in all the usual places though

Unfortunately I’m not skilled in such things

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[shrapnel]

Booked three weeks holidays today for March just so I could say no to meetings.

Is term time and classes already finished in March?

[shrapnel]

Unfortunately I’m not skilled in such things

I'd happily help you out but I doubt there is anywhere I could send you a 10gig file unfortunately

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[shrapnel]

7/4 odds on no deal brexit by 1st April 2019. That seems very wrong. Is the alternative situation - exit with a deal by 1st April available, or are they just offering mug one-way bets? (can't easily access odds from France)

No (Withdrawal Agreement in place by 30-03-2019 or Article 50 extended/revoked)

1/4
Yes (UK leave the EU on 30-03-2019 without Withdrawal Agreement in place)

5/2

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[Raoul Duke III]

Cheers. Can only access Oddschecker the brexit specials page just gives a seemingly random collection of bets on it. Ah okay, so Deal with Agreement is decent fav.

Remember the clowns in charge on the UK side...things tend to happen in a non-linear way.

[Solksjaer!]

Spare a thought for our Mistresses today. Tough day

[mocata]

Week long delay on common IT components, suppliers blaming Brexit stockpiling. Apparently not too many companies have distribution centres in UK, stuff all inventories in mainland Europe. Wondering if there is an opportunity there for a bit of strategic stockpiling meself, N Ireland v exposed to supply chain disruption.

[Raoul Duke III]

Recommend me a pub that will do good grub on a Moday night that I could bring clients to. City centre.

[DeadParrot]

Recommend me a pub that will do good grub on a Moday night that I could bring clients to. City centre.

Donehy & Nesbitts
Bull & Castle
Exchequers

ranked according to fanciness imo

[Keane]

Semi-regular bump for the book thread:

http://www.irishpokerboards.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15724

Featuring BennyHifi's brilliant updates on reading Ulysses and an unspecified French man's guilty pleasures...

[Denny Crane]

The Bank?

I saw a couple of people complaining that Kennedys on the quays (think it's called the workshop now) had turned into a gastro pub for IFSC wankers, might suit you!

[Denny Crane]

Semi-regular bump for the book thread:

http://www.irishpokerboards.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15724

Featuring BennyHifi's brilliant updates on reading Ulysses and an unspecified French man's guilty pleasures...

envious of everyone elses gooodread updates, not getting any time to read anything at the moment

[elbows]

Recommend me a pub that will do good grub on a Moday night that I could bring clients to. City centre.

Matt the thrasher does decent food but I haven’t been there in a while

[Raoul Duke III]

The Bank?

I saw a couple of people complaining that Kennedys on the quays (think it's called the workshop now) had turned into a gastro pub for IFSC wankers, might suit you!

Sure you're a bigger IFSC wanker than me...I don't think where we are now even counts as IFSC.

[Raoul Duke III]

Matt the thrasher does decent food but I haven’t been there in a while

Yeah, it is good. Probably want to go proper c.c. though.

[Guest]

Semi-regular bump for the book thread:

http://www.irishpokerboards.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15724

Featuring BennyHifi's brilliant updates on reading Ulysses and an unspecified French man's guilty pleasures...

Generally very active lately, I think the podcast thread could be good too but maybe we all listen to similar. V4V and SP suggested a few I'm meaning to check out.

[Keane]

Generally very active lately, I think the podcast thread could be good too but maybe we all listen to similar. V4V and SP suggested a few I'm meaning to check out.

I didn't know there was a podcast thread!

[Keane]

I made a small deposit (€20) to a gambling site called sportsnation a couple of weeks ago to take advantage of an offer. After I deposited I either realised I didn't want the offer, or the price that I was after changed or something - I can't remember. Anyway, I decided to just withdraw the 20 quid again.

It went about two weeks before I noticed they hadn't processed the withdrawal and then I found they had locked my account as well. I got no email from them or anything like that. I got onto their live chat and the guy told me he had authorised my withdrawal as I was chatting to him.

Obviously the money never turned up. I'm onto live chat again today and they are telling me they locked my account because I didn't verify my details (20 quid deposit and two weeks - sounds a bit jumpy?), and moreover even if I confirm my details they won't give me back my money unless I turn it over. 'We're not a bank' the cheeky fucker tells me

Surely I'm entitled to deposit, miss the price and withdraw? Your man tells me it's in their T&Cs that I can't but I see no mention of such a term. What's my play here?