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    Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post
    She's the person who fought long and hard to uncover this. If she thought it was murder, she would have said so.
    That's not true. Accusing the church of murder was hardly gonna speed her mission to uncover up.

    Why get hung up on whether it's defined as murder. It was preventable death at the hand of those in charge.
    airport, lol

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      Originally posted by Denny Crane View Post
      They seem to have a very particular hiring policy.
      Yeah, think I've only ever seen young nubile female hipsters working there. They probably have blokes as well but have never noticed them

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        Up until recently the Church ruled our silly land. Fact. The Government were influenced by their beliefs and Rome dictated to them. It was a sin to stick on a johnnie whilst you molested your niece for example.
        The old adage of power corrupting was rife in the Church. They knew they had a psychological hold on the masses (pardun the pun) and they used that power to enable and protect cruelty, neglect and sex abuse. (among many other atrocities)
        The words used over this issue are probably emotional and designed to hit our outrage button to the nth degree but the fact remains the value of life in these places was very low indeed and especially on people who were deemed as sinners(lol) This imbalance as to who was cared for and who died is in fact as morally bad as murder. (hmm selective -Trump/Hitler/me in Copperface Jacks)
        To also disrespect the existence of these apparent tarnished souls that they were just dumped after death is as callous as any executioner. Imagine the mindset of someone who would say, just throw the body into the pit. Oh here’s another one FFS.
        If you contemplate to manage an avoidable death you are morally the same as a murderer. But we can argue semantics all day , people have their views on the letter of the law and what is right and wrong and swap them around to please themselves.
        Natural causes does not equate to gross neglect. Natural causes does not equate to being a low life sinner. Natural causes does not equate to the selective starvation of children deemed unworthy for this world. It was systemic processing of the unwanted and a large % of them met their doom through this processing. As for Nuns , where you have a poster hag like Mother Teresa what’s a little local selective cruelty.

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          Originally posted by Gimmeabreak
          RDIII tagline should be changed to something like Closet Catholic, Catholic Apologist or something similar.
          Ssssh. Trying to get into Opus Dei atm.
          "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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            Dramatic scenes in the High Court. Peter Mulryan is seeking Tusla records of his dead sister in Tuam. #tuambabies



            Letter from Sister Marie Ryan of Bon Secours nuns read out in High Court, saying the order cannot help, as it's unaware of burial records.
            Kevin Higgins, solicitor for Peter Mulryan, then read out Sister Marie Ryan's 2013 letter to Anna Corrigan admitting knowledge of mass grave

            Bon Secours Sister Marie Ryan says Tuam records were given to State in 1961. Tusla says files weren't received till 2011. #tuambabies



            Kevin Higgins, solicitor for Peter Mulryan, tells High Court: "Sister Marie Ryan is lying through her teeth." #tuambabies
            She is SO lying through her teeth!

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              Case adjourned till Monday 13th of March.

              There is collusion on this ..there is LOTS Of bloody evidence.

              Follow Donal O'Keeffe's official account on twitter.

              As archaeologists excavate the Tuam Mother and Baby Home site where 796 children are believed to be buried, questions remain unanswered, writes Donal O’Keeffe. Last Monday was the first day of the test excavation of the former site of the Tuam Mother and Baby Home, where it is believed that at least some of the […]


              He was reporting live!
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                ...
                "We're not f*cking Burundi" - Big Phil

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                  Originally posted by bohsman View Post
                  I don't think accusing the catholic church of murder would be a good move for anyone. As you say she had to fight long and hard just to prove that they weren't 19th century famine victims.
                  Per her research:

                  The most common causes of death were “debility from birth” (25%), 15% from “respiratory diseases”, 10% each from influenza and the measles, 8% born too premature to survive, 6% from whooping cough and in smaller numbers of epilepsy/convulsions, gastroenteritis, meningitis, congenital heart disease and congenital syphilis, skin diseases, chicken pox and one per cent – 10 children – of malnutrition
                  "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                    So Adele is married with a 4 year old kid to said husband & yet still basis her career on songs about the lad who dumped her years ago

                    That husband of hers must feel real wanted every time she sits down to write a song!

                    Ya think she has let him see his balls since the kid?

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                      Originally posted by Lao Lao View Post
                      Yeah, think I've only ever seen young nubile female hipsters working there. They probably have blokes as well but have never noticed them
                      They keep them in the kitchen obv.

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                        Oh and I had zlatan.
                        Go big or go homeless.

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                            Originally posted by Lao Lao View Post
                            Yeah, think I've only ever seen young nubile female hipsters working there. They probably have blokes as well but have never noticed them
                            And I did not complain when said young wan dropped her note pad beside my table and bent over right in front of me. But yeah, hot young wans ftw

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                              Originally posted by Gimmeabreak
                              RDIII tagline should be changed to something like Closet Catholic, Catholic Apologist or something similar.
                              "Took the Stout"

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                                Originally posted by shano1888 View Post
                                Yes imo. Why do that?
                                Why not? Give the kids the concept that the alternative is acceptable.
                                X can be anything, any number, that is what’s CRAZY about X.
                                Because X doesn’t roll like that, because X can’t be pinned down!

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                                    John Oliver is an annoying weasel.

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                                      Originally posted by zuutroy View Post
                                      John Oliver is an annoying weasel.
                                      Little bit, but end of video is funny

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                                        The word destroys is thrown around willly nilly these days. Word has been destroyed.
                                        X can be anything, any number, that is what’s CRAZY about X.
                                        Because X doesn’t roll like that, because X can’t be pinned down!

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                                          Almost time....
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                                          I is excite
                                          People say I should be more humble I hope they understand, they don't listen when you mumble
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                                            Originally posted by Lord Sir Christmas View Post
                                            The word destroys is thrown around willly nilly these days. Word has been destroyed.
                                            unlike willy nilly
                                            which doesnt get used enough imo
                                            People say I should be more humble I hope they understand, they don't listen when you mumble
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                                              Be a good slang term for penis sexual folks who are chaste.
                                              X can be anything, any number, that is what’s CRAZY about X.
                                              Because X doesn’t roll like that, because X can’t be pinned down!

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                                                Fernenced is a word rarely used these days apart from old farmers giving directions.

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                                                  Originally posted by Elshambles View Post
                                                  Little bit, but end of video is funny
                                                  Its a close thing between Ryan's smirk there or Sessions face when the penny drops that he has just lied under oath and everyione sitting behind him knows it
                                                  Turning millions into thousands

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                                                    Originally posted by DeadParrot View Post
                                                    Almost time....
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                                                    I is excite
                                                    Planning to be there also (little Miss V permitting).
                                                    ‘IF YOU had not committed great sins, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you.” Genghis Khan

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                                                      Best place to park near the GPO on a Tuesday afternoon pls

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                                                        ILAC car park or Q-Park Marlborough St.

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                                                          Do the staff in boojum get paid extra for dancing behind the counter? Otherwise how the fuck are they always so happy?!

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                                                            Whats the small man badge pundits and managers have pinned on these days?
                                                            airport, lol

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                                                              Originally posted by eamonhonda View Post
                                                              Whats the small man badge pundits and managers have pinned on these days?
                                                              Prostate cancer charity.

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                                                                Baliol -40
                                                                Turning millions into thousands

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                                                                  Loadsamoney!

                                                                  >>>>>this way
                                                                  "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                                                                    Originally posted by V for Vendetta View Post
                                                                    Planning to be there also (little Miss V permitting).
                                                                    Table 70 for hugs
                                                                    People say I should be more humble I hope they understand, they don't listen when you mumble
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                                                                      Bad thing about tables.
                                                                      If there is only 2 of ye u may get dropins
                                                                      People say I should be more humble I hope they understand, they don't listen when you mumble
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                                                                        Originally posted by NewApproach View Post
                                                                        Do the staff in boojum get paid extra for dancing behind the counter? Otherwise how the fuck are they always so happy?!
                                                                        They're working in Boojum. Its the stuff dreams are made of. How could you not be so happy that you dance your way through your shift

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                                                                          Originally posted by KevIRL View Post
                                                                          Best place to park near the GPO on a Tuesday afternoon pls
                                                                          Park outside and stick on the flashers. Seems to work outside every post office

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                                                                            LOL@ the crowd of Gimps HErr Trump sent out to do his back pedalling for him

                                                                            Tremendously presidential, most presidential ever
                                                                            Turning millions into thousands

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                                                                              Originally posted by KevIRL View Post
                                                                              Best place to park near the GPO on a Tuesday afternoon pls
                                                                              Arnotts is the closest, but you have to go up O'Connell St with Luas works. I only do it late in the evening when it's not that busy so not sure what'll be like on a Tuesday avo

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                                                                                Frckin' RTE going on about what Trump's latest Executive Order 'means for the meeting between Donald Trump and Enda Kenny on the 16th of March'.

                                                                                It means fuck all. Not everything is about Ireland.
                                                                                "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                                                                                  Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post
                                                                                  Per her research:
                                                                                  The most common causes of death were “debility from birth” (25%), 15% from “respiratory diseases”, 10% each from influenza and the measles, 8% born too premature to survive, 6% from whooping cough and in smaller numbers of epilepsy/convulsions, gastroenteritis, meningitis, congenital heart disease and congenital syphilis, skin diseases, chicken pox and one per cent – 10 children – of malnutrition
                                                                                  I'm guessing that information came form death certificates and the like, which were presumably filled out by the nuns themselves. So about as credible as a report on cause of death from Harold Shipman.

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                                                                                    Originally posted by Mellor View Post
                                                                                    I'm guessing that information came form death certificates and the like, which were presumably filled out by the nuns themselves. So about as credible as a report on cause of death from Harold Shipman.
                                                                                    Actually, no.

                                                                                    I don't know if you've ever had to procure a death certificate. I have and there's quite a body of law around them.

                                                                                    In short, they have to be issued by a medical practitioner. That's as much the case now as it was when the Tuam home was open.

                                                                                    You'll see the full list of deaths here.
                                                                                    "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                                                                                      Originally posted by KevIRL View Post
                                                                                      Best place to park near the GPO on a Tuesday afternoon pls
                                                                                      Red Cow Park and Ride.
                                                                                      Gone full 'Glinner' since June 2022.

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                                                                                        Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post
                                                                                        Frckin' RTE going on about what Trump's latest Executive Order 'means for the meeting between Donald Trump and Enda Kenny on the 16th of March'.

                                                                                        It means fuck all. Not everything is about Ireland.
                                                                                        What do you expect out a hotel window in Torquay? The hanging gardens of babylon? Wildebeest sweeping majestically across the plain ?

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                                                                                          Dobby still in town obv
                                                                                          Turning millions into thousands

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                                                                                            Originally posted by CourierCollie View Post
                                                                                            Red Cow Park and Ride.
                                                                                            This is correct. Outside the shops at Bluebell is free but you might have traffic on the way out.
                                                                                            If you really have to park in town Marlborough street is usually best for getting in and out of.
                                                                                            Turning millions into thousands

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                                                                                              Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post
                                                                                              Actually, no.

                                                                                              I don't know if you've ever had to procure a death certificate. I have and there's quite a body of law around them.

                                                                                              In short, they have to be issued by a medical practitioner. That's as much the case now as it was when the Tuam home was open.

                                                                                              You'll see the full list of deaths here.
                                                                                              The church would never be able to control a catholic medical practitioner back then, good point.
                                                                                              airport, lol

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                                                                                                I have people who believe in the afterlife, church leaders, supreme beings and ancient text in the same category as those who believe in fairies, angels, fortune tellers, Bertie and the lotto.

                                                                                                I tolerate them with a smile and a nod, all the while thinking 'you crazy imbecile'.

                                                                                                Good old Voltaire makes his second contribution in 24 hours to the almighty BBV, the one true text.

                                                                                                Once your faith, sir, persuades you to believe what your intelligence declares to be absurd, beware lest you likewise sacrifice your reason in the conduct of your life. In days gone by, there were people who said to us: "You believe in incomprehensible, contradictory and impossible things because we have commanded you to; now then, commit unjust acts because we likewise order you to do so." Nothing could be more convincing. Certainly any one who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices.
                                                                                                Happiness is not a goal; it is a by-product. ~Eleanor Roosevelt

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                                                                                                  What a great fucking gig
                                                                                                  People say I should be more humble I hope they understand, they don't listen when you mumble
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                                                                                                    Originally posted by Strewelpeter View Post
                                                                                                    Dobby still in town obv
                                                                                                    Unfortunately my passenger is from Cork and struggles to behave normally in public as is the case with Cork people.

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                                                                                                      Originally posted by DeadParrot View Post
                                                                                                      What a great fucking gig
                                                                                                      No Haley Reinhart?
                                                                                                      Turning millions into thousands

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                                                                                                        The advertising authority should start prosecuting organisers for misuse of the word deepstack.

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                                                                                                          Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post
                                                                                                          Actually, no.

                                                                                                          I don't know if you've ever had to procure a death certificate. I have and there's quite a body of law around them.

                                                                                                          In short, they have to be issued by a medical practitioner. That's as much the case now as it was when the Tuam home was open.

                                                                                                          You'll see the full list of deaths here.
                                                                                                          Sure, issued by a medical practitioner. I'm under the impression that the nuns were all trained nurses and midwives? So it's pretty likely the who ever issued a cert who at the very least confer with the medical professional on site and present at the time.

                                                                                                          There's lots of cases of measles and such. Fair enough, there was probably some sort of medical awareness there. But there's plenty where a disabled child died of a sudden fit. I assume in cases like that there was no autopsy and the doctor just issued a cert based on the fact they were always a sick and weak child, according to whoever.

                                                                                                          FWIW, I think the truth is somewhere between the "800 babies murdered" and "natural causes" extremes.
                                                                                                          The main issue is that there no context to the number. 796 is simply a horrible image. But what does that mean in real terms. From the records is looks like it was over 36 years. How many babies were born at the home, what does 796 translate to in terms of a mortality rate? I'd expect it to be higher than a national average, which was probably disturbingly high in itself at the time.

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                                                                                                            Look at the touch Hazard makes in this clip



                                                                                                            This is what a level behind Messi looks like in England. He's unreal. I've kept my mouth shut all season but he's now done too many good things. Maybe he's as good as Messi and this is what Messi looks like in England? His turn of pace and reading of the game is better when on the counter, just a pity he isnt good enough to make the game about him and dictate. Then again no good English team has ever centered their team around one player, they've also never had the greatest player ever recently.

                                                                                                            Such a pleasure to watch this man at work when on form, baffled he's never linked with moves away. Part of me wants to see how he'd rip La Liga apart.

                                                                                                            The other 99% of me is delighted he thinks people who believe in a God are idiots.

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                                                                                                              Originally posted by CHDog View Post
                                                                                                              Look at the touch Hazard makes in this clip



                                                                                                              This is what a level behind Messi looks like in England. He's unreal. I've kept my mouth shut all season but he's now done too many good things. Maybe he's as good as Messi and this is what Messi looks like in England? His turn of pace and reading of the game is better when on the counter, just a pity he isnt good enough to make the game about him and dictate. Then again no good English team has ever centered their team around one player , they've also never had the greatest player ever recently.

                                                                                                              Such a pleasure to watch this man at work when on form, baffled he's never linked with moves away. Part of me wants to see how he'd rip La Liga apart.

                                                                                                              The other 99% of me is delighted he thinks people who believe in a God are idiots.
                                                                                                              Whatever about the rest, this part is blatantly untrue. Man city and Aguero, liverpool and suarez/dalglish, arsenal and henry, etc.
                                                                                                              No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity, but I know none, therefore am no beast.

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                                                                                                                Originally posted by CHDog View Post
                                                                                                                Look at the touch Hazard makes in this clip



                                                                                                                This is what a level behind Messi looks like in England. He's unreal. I've kept my mouth shut all season but he's now done too many good things. Maybe he's as good as Messi and this is what Messi looks like in England? His turn of pace and reading of the game is better when on the counter, just a pity he isnt good enough to make the game about him and dictate. Then again no good English team has ever centered their team around one player, they've also never had the greatest player ever recently.

                                                                                                                Such a pleasure to watch this man at work when on form, baffled he's never linked with moves away. Part of me wants to see how he'd rip La Liga apart.

                                                                                                                The other 99% of me is delighted he thinks people who believe in a God are idiots.
                                                                                                                Handball followed by mis-control and being outpaced by Obiang. World beater m8.
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                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Mellor View Post
                                                                                                                  Sure, issued by a medical practitioner. I'm under the impression that the nuns were all trained nurses and midwives? So it's pretty likely the who ever issued a cert who at the very least confer with the medical professional on site and present at the time.

                                                                                                                  There's lots of cases of measles and such. Fair enough, there was probably some sort of medical awareness there. But there's plenty where a disabled child died of a sudden fit. I assume in cases like that there was no autopsy and the doctor just issued a cert based on the fact they were always a sick and weak child, according to whoever.

                                                                                                                  FWIW, I think the truth is somewhere between the "800 babies murdered" and "natural causes" extremes.
                                                                                                                  The main issue is that there no context to the number. 796 is simply a horrible image. But what does that mean in real terms. From the records is looks like it was over 36 years. How many babies were born at the home, what does 796 translate to in terms of a mortality rate? I'd expect it to be higher than a national average, which was probably disturbingly high in itself at the time.
                                                                                                                  I think your last sentence is key. None of us have first-hand experience of just how poor and priest-ridden Ireland was in those days. Except strewel obv.

                                                                                                                  We were a poor and backward nation, very much cut off from European liberalism and progressive thought. Ironically of course this also saved us from being embroiled in WW2. The ultimate historical lucky break.

                                                                                                                  That historical context explains how and why things like the Tuam Babies happened. In order to judge the actions of those involved, you have to view them through the prism of that historical context. The causes on those death certificates say fairly (to our 21st century eyes) things like 'measles' or 'ear infection'.

                                                                                                                  The truth is that the causes of death should equally read 'died of poverty, ignorance and fear'. As could be applied to so many at that time who never made it near one of these institutions.
                                                                                                                  "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                                                                                                                    Today should be the day we go over a million on here. Time to shut the place down then probably.

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                                                                                                                      Originally posted by CHDog View Post
                                                                                                                      Look at the touch Hazard makes in this clip



                                                                                                                      This is what a level behind Messi looks like in England. He's unreal. I've kept my mouth shut all season but he's now done too many good things. Maybe he's as good as Messi and this is what Messi looks like in England? His turn of pace and reading of the game is better when on the counter, just a pity he isnt good enough to make the game about him and dictate. Then again no good English team has ever centered their team around one player, they've also never had the greatest player ever recently.

                                                                                                                      Such a pleasure to watch this man at work when on form, baffled he's never linked with moves away. Part of me wants to see how he'd rip La Liga apart.

                                                                                                                      The other 99% of me is delighted he thinks people who believe in a God are idiots.
                                                                                                                      Lovely touch

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                                                                                                                        Originally posted by dobby View Post
                                                                                                                        Lovely touch
                                                                                                                        Why is it not handball? Is there a rule that using the back of your arm is ok while using the front is not.

                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Crooked Fifa
                                                                                                                        Definition. A handball occurs if any player, other than the team's goalkeeper within his own penalty area, deliberately handles the ball when in play. A ball can be handled with any part of the arm, from the tips of a player's fingers right up to the shoulder.
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                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Strewelpeter View Post
                                                                                                                          No Haley Reinhart?
                                                                                                                          sadly no, but still fucking deadly.

                                                                                                                          Some serious talent on that stage last night.
                                                                                                                          People say I should be more humble I hope they understand, they don't listen when you mumble
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