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t'was 50s alright,then 33s,50,33,50 so on http://www.oddschecker.com/horse-rac...-diamond/today
lordans only booking there tonight,(first time for trainer).all time stats show 2 wins & 8 places from 23 starts on the flat.with ballinrobe showing 1 win & 3 places from 6 starts,.o briens horse the only other one being backed,not sure what to make of it.Mattie McGrath wanna-be
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Originally posted by amberleaf View PostTurning millions into thousands
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Originally posted by kpnuts View Postheard BC too yea
They're saying that when she was brought in she wasn't able to tell them what colour the horse is
The lad who brought it to the races and who was also interviewed by the stewards was, at least until recently working as travelling head lad for Kevin Prendergast.
But to be honest the whole operation sounds a bit too sloppy for an operator like Kevin to be behind and on a quiet night like last night you could have any of dozens of capable and discrete lads like Fabian available for a small fee.
Informed gossip is thin on the ground uninformed chatter as usual aboundsTurning millions into thousands
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Originally posted by horatio1 View PostIs it not common enough practice where someone training a few horses but hasn't got his full training Certs in place will run a horse in under someone else's name ? I've certainly heard it a few times.
What seems to have happened here was somebody disgruntled or vendictive reported it.
Latest story I'm told on this is that the horse is owned by a neighbour of mine, lets call him Dodgy McDodge. My informant who would have been very close to this guy in the past knows no more about what they were doing than that he owns the horse.
Now after that I'm moving into pure speculation but there is a former amatuer jockey with a training license who is better known for buying and selling horses in the immediate neighbourhood who has landed a couple of touches for this owner. He's thought of as a shrewd judge and as a former regular work rider in Ballydoyle (my earlier coolmore post is just a very odd coincidence btw!) he should know how to spot a good one.
On the surface you'd think that he would be able to get an horse like that one flying under the radar and at a decent price given his general record as a trainer then again this is not the type of horse he usually turns up with, he's much more likely to be seen bringing one up from point to points. Given the owner any sort of messiness would be possible and doomed to failure IMO. I mean what sort of a gamble is it these days where they are running around offices at ten o'clock in the morning trying to get a few hundred onLast edited by Strewelpeter; 23-07-13, 14:09.Turning millions into thousands
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Originally posted by Strewelpeter View PostWhen that happens it would normally be at least housed in the yard its running from.
Latest story I'm told on this is that the horse is owned by a neighbour of mine, lets call him Dodgy McDodge. My informant who would have been very close to this guy in the past knows no more about what they were doing than that he owns the horse.
Now after that I'm moving into pure speculation but there is a former amatuer jockey with a training license who is better known for buying and selling horses in the immediate neighbourhood who has landed a couple of touches for this owner. He's thought of as a shrewd judge and as a former regular work rider in Ballydoyle (my earlier coolmore post is just a very odd coincidence btw!) he should know how to spot a good one.
On the surface you'd think that he would be able to get an horse like that one flying under the radar and at a decent price given his general record as a trainer then again this is not the type of horse he usually turns up with, he's much more likely to be seen bringing one up from point to points. Given the owner any sort of messiness would be possible and doomed to failure IMO. I mean what sort of a gamble is it these days where they are running around offices at ten o'clock in the morning trying to get a few hundred onD15 CASINO, Mulhuddart Village (opp Blanchardstown shopping centre)
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Originally posted by GimmeabreakI would be very surprised if that amateur jockey is involved - not his style or the style of the family at all.
Is the word on the street as to the owner? I'd expect my info to be good and it fits but there is a lot idle speculation going around.Turning millions into thousands
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Important to have a talented jockey to get one home......... more important to have a really talented jockey when trying to keep one for Galway.... http://www.attheraces.com/VideoConso..._07_23_01_1725D15 CASINO, Mulhuddart Village (opp Blanchardstown shopping centre)
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Originally posted by Gimmeabreak
I guess its possible that just about anyone could have been readying it on the Curragh. Burke will take the hit for it I suppose.Turning millions into thousands
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Originally posted by westlife View PostImportant to have a talented jockey to get one home......... more important to have a really talented jockey when trying to keep one for Galway.... http://www.attheraces.com/VideoConso..._07_23_01_1725
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Originally posted by Strewelpeter View PostThats the owner confirmed and would account for the messiness and incompetence of the execution of the whole thing.
I guess its possible that just about anyone could have been readying it on the Curragh. Burke will take the hit for it I suppose.
Should have had dunphy better briefed but again I don't think they were expecting to arouse suspicion. Fact is Kildare is a small place and somebody obviously didn't want to see the gamble coming off.
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Originally posted by eoghan104 View PostHeading up to Leopardstown tonight.
Anyone fancy anything there?Mattie McGrath wanna-be
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Originally posted by eoghan104 View PostHeading up to Leopardstown tonight.
Anyone fancy anything there?
In my opinion Eddie Harty's Neustra Alegria and the O'Brady's Zafarqand are real good market value. Both are c. 7's ... small runner fields in these handicaps (6.50 & 8.30).
Anyone know if the ground has officially changed or will they just announce it after the first race?To accumulate enduring wealth, do not lend to grasshoppers.
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Originally posted by robinblinds View PostIn my opinion Eddie Harty's Neustra Alegria and the O'Brady's Zafarqand are real good market value. Both are c. 7's ... small runner fields in these handicaps (6.50 & 8.30).
Anyone know if the ground has officially changed or will they just announce it after the first race?To accumulate enduring wealth, do not lend to grasshoppers.
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Burning Blaze is worth a small pop e/w in the 3.55 newmarket,spencer rides wind fire in the first at ascot and then gives up bookings in the 2.40 & the 3.15.burning blaze was withdrawn last time in a much more competitive race over the same course and distance last time,12s to 8s with some english firms and can be got @ 11/1 with pp.Mattie McGrath wanna-be
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Originally posted by amberleaf View PostBurning Blaze is worth a small pop e/w in the 3.55 newmarket,spencer rides wind fire in the first at ascot and then gives up bookings in the 2.40 & the 3.15.burning blaze was withdrawn last time in a much more competitive race over the same course and distance last time,12s to 8s with some english firms and can be got @ 11/1 with pp.
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think conor king could be a chap to keep an eye on during the week,notice that weld has booked him for the first time today,given that he's never ridden at the track before (afaik) shows his Potential and faith he's has with him.He rode out his 7lbs last friday but still looks great value for the 5lb claim.interesting to see how he gets on today with his 2 bookings.Mattie McGrath wanna-be
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RULE OF THUMB: ONE should never back a J P McManus horse when it is not the favorite and, even if it is the favorite, make sure you have homework done and that thre ground, form, jockey, weight, opponents and distance are in its favour and that it is not a false favorite.
You may thank Bono in future for those statistical words of wisdom when you save yourself some money. You can apply the same words of wisdom to gigginstown horses.
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Originally posted by Bono View PostRULE OF THUMB: ONE should never back a J P McManus horse when it is not the favorite and, even if it is the favorite, make sure you have homework done and that thre ground, form, jockey, weight, opponents and distance are in its favour and that it is not a false favorite.
You may thank Bono in future for those statistical words of wisdom when you save yourself some money. You can apply the same words of wisdom to gigginstown horses.
You may thank wicklowp in future.Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
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Originally posted by Bono View PostRULE OF THUMB: ONE should never back a J P McManus horse when it is not the favorite and, even if it is the favorite, make sure you have homework done and that thre ground, form, jockey, weight, opponents and distance are in its favour and that it is not a false favorite.
You may thank Bono in future for those statistical words of wisdom when you save yourself some money. You can apply the same words of wisdom to gigginstown horses.
JP will be fuming that you have revealed the secrets to his Gambling success on a public forum. Mickey o'l will probably just sack someone.
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"R1. Im working on the basis that Diplomat will not run. I dont like the WPM beast on the ground but I do like Elegant Statesman - he should appreciate the ground and the tough finish - c.7/2"
Hi,
This is a very tough call and I was siding with your view but the Willie horse has won on soft ground before on the flat in France and his times are very sweet this year on good ground. So after studying this race for quite some time I would advise the safety of the Paddy Power insurebet to three places whichever way one bets. They are offering a three place insure bet on Shamar @ 5/6 and on elegent stateman @ 11/8. If i were backing elegent stateman I would have to back in that market and take the 11/8 to try and protect my stake if Shamar happens to go on the ground. I see the 7/2 as a little risky for me as we still do not know if the Weld horse will run.
I have no time to study any additional race today but i know your tipping has been top notch.
Regards.
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