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    Quarter-final line-up finalized in the Davis Cup.
    Russia (premierstone, Keane) v Sweden, with the winners playing Great Britain (ArmaniJeans) or Germany.
    In the other half Croatia (pokerhand) v Italy, and Serbia (mdoug, limpwhacker) v Kazakstan.
    Canada, Australia and Spain all eliminated in the groups.
    Could be a pivotal event.

    In the snooker a couple of big eliminations with Ding and Selby exiting early.
    Just Trump and Ronnie left in the hunt at the last 32 stage.

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      ... Change, Judd Trump to Mark Selt/anyone else left in the tourney- I'll take Ronnie... AJ and Lao Lao only ones left in the snooker already...

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        Originally posted by luckforsome View Post
        ... Change, Judd Trump to Mark Selt/anyone else left in the tourney- I'll take Ronnie... AJ and Lao Lao only ones left in the snooker already...
        Law of averages says Lao Lao has to get a 4 pointer soon. C'mon.
        Could be a big week for me if Ronnie gets it done, and GB looking good in their tennis quarter-final at the moment.
        Or could end in tears.

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          Without wanting to delve too far into the well established rules and regulations, I presume expect from such a fine, upstanding and even outstanding competition like this one, that there is a hefty consolidation prize for the poor fucker that finishes last, right, RIGHT?

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            https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1389891436

            December change deadlines
            Darts. World Champs Best English player. Deadline 10/12.
            Horses. King George Chase. Deadline 21/12.

            All deadline times 21:59.

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              Tennis Snooker Handball Horses Soccer Soccer Soccer Darts
              Davis Cup UK Womens Wcup KG EPLLP 31/12 EPLTS 31/12 C'Ship 31/12 WC Best Eng
              shrapnel (2) 38 Spain Trump France Alaho Norwich Jamie Vardy WBA Aspinall
              mdoug (4) 38 Serbia Selby Russia Clan Des Obeaux Burnley Calvert-Lewin WBA Aspinall
              premierstone (2) 37 Russia Selby Norway Envoi Allen Brentford Harry Kane Fulham Michael Smith
              pokerhand (2) 35 Croatia Robertson Denmark Clan Des Obeaux Brighton Harry Kane Fulham Rob Cross
              ArmaniJeans (1) 34 Great Britain Ronnie Norway Clan Des Obeaux Norwich Mo Salah WBA Aspinall
              RichieM (2) 33 Canada Trump Norway Clan Des Obeaux Palace Mo Salah Bournemouth James Wade
              Keane (2) 33 Russia Selby Norway Clan Des Obeaux Newcastle Mo Salah WBA Aspinall
              limpwhacker (3) 31 Serbia Trump Norway Clan Des Obeaux Brentford Harry Kane Fulham Rob Cross
              Strewelpeter 29 Canada Ding Denmark Clan Des Obeaux Swansea Mo Salah Fulham Aspinall
              luckforsome (2) 25 Spain Trump Norway Clan Des Obeaux Norwich Mo Salah Fulham Michael Smith
              Degag (2) 20.17 Australia Selby Norway Frodon Brighton Mo Salah WBA Michael Smith
              Nuck Chorris (2) 16 Spain Trump France Shiskin Watford Mo Salah WBA James Wade
              Lao Lao (2) 9 Spain Ronnie Norway Envoi Allen Swansea Harry Kane WBA Adrian Lewis
              .

              Some big games today.
              Croatia (pokerhand) v Serbia (mdoug, limpwhacker) in the semi-final of the Davis Cup. (Russia play their semi-final tomorrow).
              Ronnie (AJ, Lao Lao) attempts to get into the points in the snooker, playing Kyren Wilson in his quarter-final.
              And in soccer, Fulham (5 picks) are at home to Bournemouth (RichieM) in a game that will go a long way to deciding the points in the Championship.

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                Result 33/40
                Snooker UK Championship


                1st. Kyren Wilson or Luca Brecel maybe, but no-one we selected got into the points.

                Leaderboard
                Tennis Handball Horses Soccer Soccer Soccer Darts
                Davis Cup Womens Wcup KG EPLLP 31/12 EPLTS 31/12 C'Ship 31/12 WC Best Eng
                shrapnel (2) 38 Spain France Alaho Norwich Jamie Vardy WBA Aspinall
                mdoug (4) 38 Serbia Russia Clan Des Obeaux Burnley Calvert-Lewin WBA Aspinall
                premierstone (2) 37 Russia Norway Envoi Allen Brentford Harry Kane Fulham Michael Smith
                pokerhand (2) 35 Croatia Denmark Clan Des Obeaux Brighton Harry Kane Fulham Rob Cross
                ArmaniJeans (1) 34 Great Britain Norway Clan Des Obeaux Norwich Mo Salah WBA Aspinall
                RichieM (2) 33 Canada Norway Clan Des Obeaux Palace Mo Salah Bournemouth James Wade
                Keane (2) 33 Russia Norway Clan Des Obeaux Newcastle Mo Salah WBA Aspinall
                limpwhacker (3) 31 Serbia Norway Clan Des Obeaux Brentford Harry Kane Fulham Rob Cross
                Strewelpeter 29 Canada Denmark Clan Des Obeaux Swansea Mo Salah Fulham Aspinall
                luckforsome (2) 25 Spain Norway Clan Des Obeaux Norwich Mo Salah Fulham Michael Smith
                Degag (2) 20.17 Australia Norway Frodon Brighton Mo Salah WBA Michael Smith
                Nuck Chorris (2) 16 Spain France Shiskin Watford Mo Salah WBA James Wade
                Lao Lao (2) 9 Spain Norway Envoi Allen Swansea Harry Kane WBA Adrian Lewis
                .
                Davis Cup Final on Sunday..

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                  Go on Germany

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                    I was all set to concede and Croatia comes out of nowhere to get to final... How the hell did I pick them
                    No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity, but I know none, therefore am no beast.

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                      Originally posted by pokerhand View Post
                      I was all set to concede and Croatia comes out of nowhere to get to final... How the hell did I pick them
                      As you know I never query peoples selections, but at the time when I saw you pick Croatia I did think "I wonder if he's had a brain melt and temporarily thought that Djokovic is Croatian?"

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                        Originally posted by ArmaniJeans View Post

                        As you know I never query peoples selections, but at the time when I saw you pick Croatia I did think "I wonder if he's had a brain melt and temporarily thought that Djokovic is Croatian?"
                        You mean like the brain melt I had in picking spurs in the basketball last year

                        Ha, can't remember the reason why I picked them.... But if that was the reason, then that was an beyond inspired brain melt ​​​
                        No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity, but I know none, therefore am no beast.

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                          Change to Joe Cullen in the darts please

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                            https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1389891436


                            Result 34/40
                            Davis Cup Tennis


                            1st. Russia. 4 points - premierstone, Keane.
                            2nd. Croatia. 2 points - pokerhand.
                            Semi. Germany. 1 point - no-one.
                            Semi. Serbia. 1 point - mdoug, limpwhacker.

                            Leaderboard
                            New leader alert - premierstone regains top spot as we head into the final 3 weeks. Has he enough to hold on with four opponents within four points and waiting to pounce?
                            Handball Horses Soccer Soccer Soccer Darts
                            Womens Wcup KG EPLLP 31/12 EPLTS 31/12 C'Ship 31/12 WC Best Eng
                            premierstone (2) €400.00 41 Norway Envoi Allen Brentford Harry Kane Fulham Michael Smith
                            mdoug (4) €120.00 39 Russia Clan Des Obeaux Burnley Calvert-Lewin WBA Aspinall
                            shrapnel (2) 38 France Alaho Norwich Jamie Vardy WBA Aspinall
                            pokerhand (2) 37 Denmark Clan Des Obeaux Brighton Harry Kane Fulham Rob Cross
                            Keane (2) 37 Norway Clan Des Obeaux Newcastle Mo Salah WBA Aspinall
                            ArmaniJeans (1) 34 Norway Clan Des Obeaux Norwich Mo Salah WBA Aspinall
                            RichieM (2) 33 Norway Clan Des Obeaux Palace Mo Salah Bournemouth James Wade
                            limpwhacker (3) 32 Norway Clan Des Obeaux Brentford Harry Kane Fulham Rob Cross
                            Strewelpeter 29 Denmark Clan Des Obeaux Swansea Mo Salah Fulham Aspinall
                            luckforsome (2) 25 Norway Clan Des Obeaux Norwich Mo Salah Fulham Michael Smith
                            Degag (3) 20.17 Norway Frodon Brighton Mo Salah WBA Joe Cullen
                            Nuck Chorris (2) 16 France Shiskin Watford Mo Salah WBA James Wade
                            Lao Lao (2) 9 Norway Envoi Allen Swansea Harry Kane WBA Adrian Lewis
                            .
                            Handball Women's World Championship ongoing with the final in two weeks time. Points here are 4-2-1 with the 3rd place playoff counting.

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                              Will most likely come down to epllp as contenders are all on joint bottom in Norwich, Newcastle and burnsley, however premierstone has a good card in Fulham for championship FP. However Keane has top scorer points locked up... So I make it to be between them for the top two.... But to be fair it is anyone game as darts and handball is complete wildcards and somebody probably have a four pointer there.

                              Wouldn't rule out AJ and RichieM ether as their salah four points brings them into the mix also.

                              Most open competition since we started doing it as can make cases for 7 runners which is unusual with only 6 events left...
                              No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity, but I know none, therefore am no beast.

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                                But the overriding question... Can Lao Lao break his jinx and nail a four pointer?

                                No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity, but I know none, therefore am no beast.

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                                  Everyone who is on Norway must be feeling doomed
                                  No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity, but I know none, therefore am no beast.

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                                    Originally posted by pokerhand View Post
                                    Will most likely come down to epllp as contenders are all on joint bottom in Norwich, Newcastle and burnsley, however premierstone has a good card in Fulham for championship FP. However Keane has top scorer points locked up... So I make it to be between them for the top two.... But to be fair it is anyone game as darts and handball is complete wildcards and somebody probably have a four pointer there.

                                    Wouldn't rule out AJ and RichieM ether as their salah four points brings them into the mix also.

                                    Most open competition since we started doing it as can make cases for 7 runners which is unusual with only 6 events left...
                                    I do have an obvious Keane issue as 5 of our 6 selections are the same (and he has a 3 point lead on me). So Newcastle would have to blank (be out of bottom 3) and Norwich be stone last for me to make up that ground. I don't particularly want to change from Aspinall but looks like I have to get a differential against everyone there. Pity there's no more football before that deadline.

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                                      My selections this year have been beyond shocking although there was a few that had potential and were differentiators but ultimately didn't work out.

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                                        I had myself as fav before Newcastle beat Burnley

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                                          Originally posted by Keane View Post
                                          I had myself as fav before Newcastle beat Burnley
                                          was delighted with that one myself!

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                                            Safe in the knowledge that it will go horrifically wrong I will none the less change my Darts selection to James Wade!

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                                              My second change.
                                              Darts Best English player.
                                              Aspinall out, would still be my choice but sadly he doesn't really work for me v Keane.
                                              premierstone has nabbed my alternative choice of Wade.
                                              I'll quickly pass on the poorly backboned Michael Smith, and more reluctantly pass on the likeable but flaky Rob Cross.
                                              So, without much enthusiasm and full in the knowledge that I'll regret it, welcome to the team Ryan Searle.

                                              TLDR. Nathan Aspinall out, Ryan Searle in.

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                                                Will change the darts to rob cross. Haven’t worked out if there is actually a path to the money for me but suspect it mathematically possible

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                                                  And so the penultimate change deadline comes crashing down, after a bit of last day manoeuvring. We can do it all again on the 21st for the King George.
                                                  Anyway, here's where it ended up.
                                                  Handball Horses Soccer Soccer Soccer Darts
                                                  Womens Wcup KG EPLLP 31/12 EPLTS 31/12 C'Ship 31/12 WC Best Eng
                                                  premierstone (3) €400.00 41 Norway Envoi Allen Brentford Harry Kane Fulham James Wade
                                                  mdoug (4) €120.00 39 Russia Clan Des Obeaux Burnley Calvert-Lewin WBA Aspinall
                                                  shrapnel (2) 38 France Alaho Norwich Jamie Vardy WBA Aspinall
                                                  pokerhand (2) 37 Denmark Clan Des Obeaux Brighton Harry Kane Fulham Rob Cross
                                                  Keane (2) 37 Norway Clan Des Obeaux Newcastle Mo Salah WBA Aspinall
                                                  ArmaniJeans (2) 34 Norway Clan Des Obeaux Norwich Mo Salah WBA Ryan Searle
                                                  RichieM (3) 33 Norway Clan Des Obeaux Palace Mo Salah Bournemouth Rob Cross
                                                  limpwhacker (3) 32 Norway Clan Des Obeaux Brentford Harry Kane Fulham Rob Cross
                                                  Strewelpeter 29 Denmark Clan Des Obeaux Swansea Mo Salah Fulham Aspinall
                                                  luckforsome (2) 25 Norway Clan Des Obeaux Norwich Mo Salah Fulham Michael Smith
                                                  Degag (3) 20.17 Norway Frodon Brighton Mo Salah WBA Joe Cullen
                                                  Nuck Chorris (2) 16 France Shiskin Watford Mo Salah WBA James Wade
                                                  Lao Lao (2) 9 Norway Envoi Allen Swansea Harry Kane WBA Adrian Lewis
                                                  .
                                                  Just to clarify the rules of the darts - it's a last longest on just the 30ish English players in the World Championship.
                                                  4-2-1 points for 1st, 2nd, 3rd.
                                                  If players get knocked out in the same round then they are considered to have tied - I ignore averages, margin of defeat, who played first etc.
                                                  This event could go into the first few days of January, though recent history suggests not.

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                                                    In handball - Denmark, France and Russia all safely into the quarter-finals which start tomorrow.
                                                    Norway still have a bit of work to do to break the curse of Lao L also qualify.
                                                    If Sweden beat Romania (likely) then Norway will need to win or draw against useful Netherlands in their final group game tonight. They'll play either France or Russia if they do qualify which would be a big contest in our competition.
                                                    All matches seem to be live on this channel if anyone ever wants to catch a game.
                                                    IHF - Competitions - YouTube

                                                    Strange situation re this sport generally - seems somewhat massive around the rest of Europe with player earning decent money (100K, with 500K+ for yer handball Messi's) yet us and the UK have completely ignored it.

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                                                      King George change to Minella Indo please.

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                                                        Norway, France, and Denmark safely through to the semis. Russia is out. France meets Denmark in the top half of the draw, norway will face Spain.

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                                                          https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1389891436

                                                          Late December change deadlines
                                                          Horses. King George Chase. Deadline 21/12.

                                                          Deadline time 21:59.

                                                          Th-Th-Th-Th-That's all folks.

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                                                            Originally posted by shrapnel View Post
                                                            Norway, France, and Denmark safely through to the semis. Russia is out. France meets Denmark in the top half of the draw, norway will face Spain.
                                                            We are all rooting for Spain right?
                                                            No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity, but I know none, therefore am no beast.

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                                                              Originally posted by ArmaniJeans View Post
                                                              https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1389891436

                                                              Late December change deadlines
                                                              Horses. King George Chase. Deadline 21/12.

                                                              Deadline time 21:59.

                                                              Th-Th-Th-Th-That's all folks.
                                                              May need to switch for a differential... But may not be relevant or all in vain if norwary wins the handball.... I have so many differentials as it is but too much ground to make up though I think.

                                                              How do you see it panning out AJ?
                                                              No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity, but I know none, therefore am no beast.

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                                                                Originally posted by pokerhand View Post

                                                                May need to switch for a differential... But may not be relevant or all in vain if norwary wins the handball.... I have so many differentials as it is but too much ground to make up though I think.

                                                                How do you see it panning out AJ?
                                                                The whole thing confuses me as well. Don't know what to do myself, with so many people with plausible paths to the win.
                                                                And wouldn't want to really to analyze it at the moment in case it ended up convincing an opponent they had to change.
                                                                I think (pretty standard stuff, so not really advice) is that there's no point doing anything until you have to.
                                                                So we at least get to see the conclusion of the handball, possibly another round of football (shame covid is having such an effect there) and a bit of the darts, all before the deadline.

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                                                                  Originally posted by ArmaniJeans View Post

                                                                  The whole thing confuses me as well. Don't know what to do myself, with so many people with plausible paths to the win.
                                                                  And wouldn't want to really to analyze it at the moment in case it ended up convincing an opponent they had to change.
                                                                  I think (pretty standard stuff, so not really advice) is that there's no point doing anything until you have to.
                                                                  So we at least get to see the conclusion of the handball, possibly another round of football (shame covid is having such an effect there) and a bit of the darts, all before the deadline.
                                                                  The football (especially PL) is a bit unbalanced do to Covid due to the uneven amount of games... eg burnsley have only 15 games played v the average 17 played by the rest and is impacting LPPL.... Whereas championship is ok as all teams are within one game played of each other....

                                                                  Likewise you could argue PLTS is also impacted as Spurs only played 14 games to the others 17 games... So there players are robbed of the equal standing of being top scorer as at 31 Dec.

                                                                  We all know you love those technicalities AJ
                                                                  No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity, but I know none, therefore am no beast.

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                                                                    Originally posted by pokerhand View Post

                                                                    The football (especially PL) is a bit unbalanced do to Covid due to the uneven amount of games... eg burnsley have only 15 games played v the average 17 played by the rest and is impacting LPPL.... Whereas championship is ok as all teams are within one game played of each other....

                                                                    Likewise you could argue PLTS is also impacted as Spurs only played 14 games to the others 17 games... So there players are robbed of the equal standing of being top scorer as at 31 Dec.

                                                                    We all know you love those technicalities AJ
                                                                    Yeah, it's a pity, though it's really just one of those things you have to put up with.
                                                                    There's never a guarantee that every team will have played equal games by the 31st though it's usually the odd bad weather abandonment which skews it.
                                                                    It is kind of a small flaw in these artificial 'as at 31/12' events, though their presence means we have 5 events ending in the last week for the drama.

                                                                    It was a bit the same with Spurs last year when you could still have been caught by limpwhacker, if Harry Kane (the good Harry Kane, not this years pale mopey shadow) had scored a somewhat plausible 4 goals against Fulham on the 29th but it got covid-ed off. All part of the game really.
                                                                    shrapnel's left-field pick of Jamie Vardy looks the most unlucky as he has now been caught by Jota for 2nd and is being denied the games to get back ahead.

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                                                                      wow, France win an epic semi final with Denmark leading by 1 with one minute to play, France equalise then manage to get the ball back and score and win 23-22

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                                                                        Originally posted by shrapnel View Post
                                                                        wow, France win an epic semi final with Denmark leading by 1 with one minute to play, France equalise then manage to get the ball back and score and win 23-22
                                                                        Shit.... Le froggie shite luck!!!;
                                                                        No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity, but I know none, therefore am no beast.

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                                                                          And just like that... I give up the crown!
                                                                          No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity, but I know none, therefore am no beast.

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                                                                            Originally posted by pokerhand View Post
                                                                            And just like that... I give up the crown!
                                                                            it's definitely coming down to the wire. darts and horseys will determine the top 2, it's so close for a number of people

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                                                                              Easy win for Norway in he 2nd seni

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                                                                                denmark takes an easy win over spain for third place. Final kicking off at 430. my money's on France to win by 1-3 goals

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                                                                                  what a game of 2 halves. France just blew norway out of the water and was leading by 6 just before the break. Norway cut the lead to 4 in the last minute, then came out of the blocks like a rocket in the 2nd half and were leading by 6 within 10 minutes, ending up winning comfortably by 7.

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                                                                                    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1389891436

                                                                                    Result 35/40
                                                                                    Handball Women's World Cup

                                                                                    1st. Norway. 4 points - premierstone, Keane, ArmaniJeans, RichieM, limpwhacker, luckforsome, Degag, Lao Lao.
                                                                                    2nd. France. 2 points - shrapnel, Nuck Chorris.
                                                                                    3rd. Denmark. 1 point - pokerhand, Strewelpeter.

                                                                                    Leaderboard
                                                                                    Horses Soccer Soccer Soccer Darts
                                                                                    KG EPLLP 31/12 EPLTS 31/12 C'Ship 31/12 WC Best Eng
                                                                                    premierstone (3) €400.00 45 Envoi Allen Brentford Harry Kane Fulham James Wade
                                                                                    Keane (2) €120.00 41 Clan Des Obeaux Newcastle Mo Salah WBA Aspinall
                                                                                    shrapnel (2) 40 Alaho Norwich Jamie Vardy WBA Aspinall
                                                                                    mdoug (4) 39 Clan Des Obeaux Burnley Calvert-Lewin WBA Aspinall
                                                                                    pokerhand (2) 38 Clan Des Obeaux Brighton Harry Kane Fulham Rob Cross
                                                                                    ArmaniJeans (2) 38 Clan Des Obeaux Norwich Mo Salah WBA Ryan Searle
                                                                                    RichieM (3) 37 Clan Des Obeaux Palace Mo Salah Bournemouth Rob Cross
                                                                                    limpwhacker (4) 36 Minella Indo Brentford Harry Kane Fulham Rob Cross
                                                                                    Strewelpeter 30 Clan Des Obeaux Swansea Mo Salah Fulham Aspinall
                                                                                    luckforsome (2) 29 Clan Des Obeaux Norwich Mo Salah Fulham Michael Smith
                                                                                    Degag (3) 24.17 Frodon Brighton Mo Salah WBA Joe Cullen
                                                                                    Nuck Chorris (2) 18 Shiskin Watford Mo Salah WBA James Wade
                                                                                    Lao Lao (2) 13 Envoi Allen Swansea Harry Kane WBA Adrian Lewis
                                                                                    .
                                                                                    King George Chase next up on the afternoon of the 26th. 4-2-1 points available.
                                                                                    Deadline for changes on this race is strictly 21:59 on the 21st (Tuesday).
                                                                                    I'll try some analysis on Wednesday after Searle, Aspinall & Cullen have played their first game which might make it clearer.

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                                                                                      KG change to minella indo please

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                                                                                        I feel that Norway win is a moral victory for me, and that's better than actually winning the competition...

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                                                                                          Can I change to Frodon in the end of year horsies please. Plenty of differentials anyway

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                                                                                            Frodon for me also please
                                                                                            No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity, but I know none, therefore am no beast.

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                                                                                              Final change to Clan Des Obeaux in the KG please

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                                                                                                Meh. This will go comically wrong but i'll change horse from CDO to Chantry Horse. 5/1 shot to likely sweep the game, can't resist.

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                                                                                                  So everyone now all in on their selections, here's what the final throw of the dice looks like.
                                                                                                  Horses Soccer Soccer Soccer Darts
                                                                                                  KG EPLLP 31/12 EPLTS 31/12 C'Ship 31/12 WC Best Eng
                                                                                                  premierstone (4) €400.00 45 Clan Des Obeaux Brentford Harry Kane Fulham James Wade
                                                                                                  Keane (2) €120.00 41 Clan Des Obeaux Newcastle Mo Salah WBA Aspinall
                                                                                                  shrapnel (3) 40 Minella Indo Norwich Jamie Vardy WBA Aspinall
                                                                                                  mdoug (4) 39 Clan Des Obeaux Burnley Calvert-Lewin WBA Aspinall
                                                                                                  pokerhand (3) 38 Frodon Brighton Harry Kane Fulham Rob Cross
                                                                                                  ArmaniJeans (3) 38 Chantry House Norwich Mo Salah WBA Ryan Searle
                                                                                                  RichieM (4) 37 Frodon Palace Mo Salah Bournemouth Rob Cross
                                                                                                  limpwhacker (4) 36 Minella Indo Brentford Harry Kane Fulham Rob Cross
                                                                                                  Strewelpeter 30 Clan Des Obeaux Swansea Mo Salah Fulham Aspinall
                                                                                                  luckforsome (2) 29 Clan Des Obeaux Norwich Mo Salah Fulham Michael Smith
                                                                                                  Degag (3) 24.17 Frodon Brighton Mo Salah WBA Joe Cullen
                                                                                                  Nuck Chorris (2) 18 Shiskin Watford Mo Salah WBA James Wade
                                                                                                  Lao Lao (2) 13 Envoi Allen Swansea Harry Kane WBA Adrian Lewis
                                                                                                  .
                                                                                                  In the darts, James Wade and Michael Smith are safely through to the post-Xmas rounds - tomorrow sees Ryan Searle, Joe Cullen and Nathan Aspinall attempt to join them. Rob Cross starts on Thursday night.

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                                                                                                    Holy crap, that was a close call for aspinall

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                                                                                                      King George - Clan Des Obeaux and Minella Indo 11/4 joint favs, Frodon 9/2, Chantry House 5/1 are the first four in the betting and all seem intended runners so game on.

                                                                                                      EPLLP - Newcastle and Norwich on 10 points with Norwich shading it by 3 on goal diff. Burnley on 11, Watford the only other contender with 13 points.
                                                                                                      Newc finish up v MUFC and @Everton. Norwich v Arsenal and @Palace. Burnley v Everton and @MUFC. Hard to call.

                                                                                                      EPL Top Scorer - Salah way ahead, unpicked Jota 2nd. Realistically Kane and DCL aren't going to score any points and Salah will get 4. So the only question is will Jamie Vardy, currently in 3rd place get 2 or 1 or 0 points, or some fraction of points. Salah is so far ahead I'm going to award him the 4 points in this analysis.

                                                                                                      Championship - Tight. Fulham lead Bournemouth by 2 points, unpicked Blackburn in 3rd and WBA in 4th. WBA could still win it but advantage Fulham.

                                                                                                      Darts - There will be about 14 English players in the last 32. Wade, Searle and Aspinall are there (quite how Aspinall managed it is a different story).Hard to know who is favourite but on the outright market its 18/1 Michael Smith, with Cullen, Searle, Wade and Aspinall all around 28/1. Rob Cross 33/1 but has a difficult second round game v Barney tomorrow and might be 20/1 if he wins that.

                                                                                                      Table with 4 points added for Salah to totals of Keane, ArmaniJeans and RichieM
                                                                                                      Horses Soccer Soccer Soccer Darts
                                                                                                      KG EPLLP 31/12 EPLTS 31/12 C'Ship 31/12 WC Best Eng
                                                                                                      premierstone (4) 45 Clan Des Obeaux Brentford x Fulham James Wade
                                                                                                      Keane (2) 45 Clan Des Obeaux Newcastle x WBA Aspinall
                                                                                                      ArmaniJeans (3) 42 Chantry House Norwich x WBA Ryan Searle
                                                                                                      RichieM (4) 41 Frodon Palace x Bournemouth Rob Cross
                                                                                                      shrapnel (3) 40 Minella Indo Norwich Jamie Vardy WBA Aspinall
                                                                                                      mdoug (4) 39 Clan Des Obeaux Burnley x WBA Aspinall
                                                                                                      pokerhand (3) 38 Frodon Brighton x Fulham Rob Cross
                                                                                                      limpwhacker (4) 36 Minella Indo Brentford x Fulham Rob Cross
                                                                                                      .
                                                                                                      Paths to Victory.

                                                                                                      premierstone

                                                                                                      Joint leader. Against Keane he has Fulham and James Wade against Keane's Newcastle, WBA and Aspinall. Clan Des Obeaux is good for him against everyone else.

                                                                                                      Keane
                                                                                                      Joint Leader. Against premierstone he has Newcastle, WBA and Aspinall up against premierstone's Fulham and James Wade. Clan Des Obeaux is good for him against everyone else.

                                                                                                      ArmaniJeans deficit 3 points.
                                                                                                      Against premiestone he has 4 chances - Chantry House, Norwich, WBA and Ryan Searle. premierstone has just 3 - Clan Des Obeaux, Fulham and Wade. Tricky but doable.
                                                                                                      Against Keane he has 3 chances - Chantry House, Norwich, Searle against Keane trio of Clan Des Obeaux, Newcastle and Aspinall. Even trickier but possible.

                                                                                                      RichieM deficit 4 points.
                                                                                                      Needs Frodon, Bournemouth and Rob Cross to put some good points up, preferably with fails for Clan Des Obeaux, Newcastle, Wade, Aspinall etc.
                                                                                                      Needs a lot of good things to happen but still alive.

                                                                                                      shrapnel deficit 5 points.
                                                                                                      If Minella Indo and Norwich get 4 points each then he'll go ahead of Keane, unless Newcastle & Clan Des Obeaux get 3 points between them.
                                                                                                      After that it would be his WBA/Aspinall against premierstones Fulham/Wade. It's not too outlandish really. Any Vardy points could be crucial.

                                                                                                      mdoug deficit 6 points - only has Burnley as a differential v Keane so can't make up 6 points. Eliminated.

                                                                                                      pokerhand deficit 7 points.
                                                                                                      Chip and a chair stuff. If Fulham, Frodon and Rob Cross get 4 points each he gets to 50. But if that happens both RichieM and premierstone would be on 49. So he would need the rest of their selections to completely blank. so-you're-saying-theres-a-chance.jpg

                                                                                                      limpwhacker deficit 9 points.
                                                                                                      Only has two differentials v premierstone so can't make up 9 points. Eliminated.

                                                                                                      Odds (for novelty purposes only).
                                                                                                      Keane 8/11.
                                                                                                      premierstone 2/1.
                                                                                                      ArmaniJeans 5/1.
                                                                                                      shrapnel 8/1.
                                                                                                      RichieM 25/1.
                                                                                                      pokerhand 250/1.
                                                                                                      Last edited by ArmaniJeans; 22-12-21, 23:04.

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                                                                                                        Fair play AJ... That must have given some headache to work out.
                                                                                                        No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity, but I know none, therefore am no beast.

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                                                                                                          I wish 25-1, think I might be a lot closer to pokerhand

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                                                                                                            Originally posted by pokerhand View Post
                                                                                                            Fair play AJ... That must have given some headache to work out.
                                                                                                            Cheers - my head got melted some time around working out shrapnel/richiem chances and I definitely had a 'why the hell am i doing this?' moment.

                                                                                                            Originally posted by RichieM View Post
                                                                                                            I wish 25-1, think I might be a lot closer to pokerhand
                                                                                                            Yeah, I'm a terrible odds-compiler looking at it now. The first two should definitely be shorter and everyone else maybe double the current prices. I blame the wine.

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                                                                                                              It’s great to actually see it worked out tho, had started into it a few times for judging changes and gave up.

                                                                                                              Cracking finish either way

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                                                                                                                Can I cash out?

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                                                                                                                  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1389891436

                                                                                                                  Result 36/40
                                                                                                                  King George Steeplechase

                                                                                                                  1st Tornado Flyer. 4 points -no-one
                                                                                                                  2nd. Clan Des Obeaux. 2 points - premierstone, Keane, mdoug, Strwelpeter, luckforsome.
                                                                                                                  3rd. St Calvados. 1 point - no-one.

                                                                                                                  Leaderboard
                                                                                                                  Soccer Soccer Soccer Darts
                                                                                                                  EPLLP 31/12 EPLTS 31/12 C'Ship 31/12 WC Best Eng
                                                                                                                  premierstone (4) €400.00 47 Brentford Harry Kane Fulham James Wade
                                                                                                                  Keane (2) €120.00 43 Newcastle Mo Salah WBA Aspinall
                                                                                                                  mdoug (4) 41 Burnley Calvert-Lewin WBA Aspinall
                                                                                                                  shrapnel (3) 40 Norwich Jamie Vardy WBA Aspinall
                                                                                                                  pokerhand (3) 38 Brighton Harry Kane Fulham Rob Cross
                                                                                                                  ArmaniJeans (3) 38 Norwich Mo Salah WBA Ryan Searle
                                                                                                                  RichieM (4) 37 Palace Mo Salah Bournemouth Rob Cross
                                                                                                                  limpwhacker (4) 36 Brentford Harry Kane Fulham Rob Cross
                                                                                                                  Strewelpeter 32 Swansea Mo Salah Fulham Aspinall
                                                                                                                  luckforsome (2) 31 Norwich Mo Salah Fulham Michael Smith
                                                                                                                  Degag (3) 24.17 Brighton Mo Salah WBA Joe Cullen
                                                                                                                  Nuck Chorris (2) 18 Watford Mo Salah WBA James Wade
                                                                                                                  Lao Lao (2) 13 Swansea Harry Kane WBA Adrian Lewis
                                                                                                                  .
                                                                                                                  Leaderboard with 4 points added for Salah, and zero for all others except Jamie Vardy.
                                                                                                                  Soccer Soccer Soccer Darts
                                                                                                                  EPLLP 31/12 EPLTS 31/12 C'Ship 31/12 WC Best Eng
                                                                                                                  premierstone (4) €260.00 47 Brentford x Fulham James Wade
                                                                                                                  Keane (2) €260.00 47 Newcastle x WBA Aspinall
                                                                                                                  ArmaniJeans (3) 42 Norwich x WBA Ryan Searle
                                                                                                                  mdoug (4) 41 Burnley x WBA Aspinall
                                                                                                                  RichieM (4) 41 Palace x Bournemouth Rob Cross
                                                                                                                  shrapnel (3) 40 Norwich Jamie Vardy WBA Aspinall
                                                                                                                  .
                                                                                                                  Pretty much confirmed as a two horse race now. Keane with Newcastle, WBA and Nathan Aspinall. premierstone has Fulham and James Wade.


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                                                                                                                    2022?

                                                                                                                    These things always have a shelf-life, so not sure if people want another edition in 2022.
                                                                                                                    Let me know by 'liking' or replying if you want to go again. Newbies and returnees always welcome.
                                                                                                                    If there's enough interest (8 players probably my min number) then I'll spend some time looking at the calendar to come up with events spread nicely through the year..
                                                                                                                    Would be the usual end-of-January start.
                                                                                                                    Or if someone else wants to run it with their own blueprint, let me know.

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                                                                                                                      ... Definitely in again if it goes again- kinda lost interest personally as I was absolutely shite, but again it's a great sweat and interest in several sports, especially with covid life...

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                                                                                                                        some exciting events also this year to pick from if looking for new events. Winter olympics, rugby league world cup, women's rugby world cup, new european championships in munich for a number of sports

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                                                                                                                          Looks like Fulham got hornswaggled by postponements

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