2 players left in the hand, on the river Player A bets, Player B is thinking about it and says something like, "i think im going to have to call you", Player A then announces he has a straight, Player B mucks and Player A turns over his cards to show complete air. Should Player A face any sanctions?
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Originally posted by RossiesAbu View Post2 players left in the hand, on the river Player A bets, Player B is thinking about it and says something like, "i think im going to have to call you", Player A then announces he has a straight, Player B mucks and Player A turns over his cards to show complete air. Should Player A face any sanctions?
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Originally posted by RossiesAbu View Post2 players left in the hand, on the river Player A bets, Player B is thinking about it and says something like, "i think im going to have to call you", Player A then announces he has a straight, Player B mucks and Player A turns over his cards to show complete air. Should Player A face any sanctions?
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Has player B called? Its a bit unclear in the OP. If not then its just speech play, if he has actually called then the relevant TDA rule is:
12: Declarations. Cards Speak at Showdown
Cards speak to determine the winner. Verbal declarations of hand value are not binding at showdown
but deliberately miscalling a hand may be penalized. Any player in the hand or not, should speak up if
he thinks a mistake is being made in reading hands or awarding the pot.
What this means in practice is that most TDs who are aware of the rule will warn the player who deliberately miscalled his hand, but won't kill his hand the first time it occurs.
This is all assuming wherever this happens follows the TDA rules.
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Player A gets the pot and a penalty. Player B learns a lesson
I was in a situation like this a few months ago in a game in cork. I would have been player B and player a misdeclared his hand. I know this guy years and definitely just misread his hand. Dealer called floor on guy but I was just trying to tell him to award pot as I didn't have cards. T.d gave options to player A if he wanted the pot and he didn't want it and I got awarded it. Was fairly tilted at myself at mucking anyway. Should just stick to dealingLast edited by The Aul Switcharoo; 09-10-16, 21:56.Redbet at the Dublin Poker Invasion FTW
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I understood it that player B hadn't called. But it's not completely clear either.
If that's the case, and player B wanted to fold without putting money in. Then I don't see what he has to complain about.
Obviously completely different if he was following through with the call and had the intention of paying.
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Originally posted by Mellor View PostI understood it that player B hadn't called. But it's not completely clear either.
If that's the case, and player B wanted to fold without putting money in. Then I don't see what he has to complain about.
Obviously completely different if he was following through with the call and had the intention of paying.
Some guy's speechplay to get a fold?
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Originally posted by RossiesAbu View PostNo, Player B didnt call, i was just wondering if speechplay like that is okay? I presumed it was, just checkingOriginally posted by Dice75 View PostI'm assuming he called or whats the point of the thread?
Some guy's speechplay to get a fold?
He's not a prick anymore
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Originally posted by RossiesAbu View PostNo, Player B didnt call, i was just wondering if speechplay like that is okay? I presumed it was, just checking
In your op you described a player as mucking, when you meant folding. Typically people refer to mucking as discarding a losing hand at showdown. Thats what led to the confusion in the answers.
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this is still going i read it as he never called hence the " im going to call ".
rule changes from place to place but if that guy actually had a straight he could be open to a sanction.
he told the guy what his hand was and let him fold. possible collusion.
but as you say the action went no sanction just another smart arse.
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i tried to reply and this shit site wouldnt let me so no going into a speil again incase it has postedbut folding and mucking are not so clear cut.
mainly i can fold and win a pot but mucking no its like a rip of your hand even face up touch that muck. not all done at showdown either.
oh posted ***if everthing was so clear cut i wouldnt have come across different folding/mucking/angle shoots know the game your inLast edited by mugsy; 12-10-16, 03:33.
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Originally posted by mugsy View Posti tried to reply and this shit site wouldnt let me so no going into a speil again incase it has postedbut folding and mucking are not so clear cut.
mainly i can fold and win a pot but mucking no its like a rip of your hand even face up touch that muck. not all done at showdown either.
oh posted ***if everthing was so clear cut i wouldnt have come across different folding/mucking/angle shoots know the game your inNo beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity, but I know none, therefore am no beast.
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Originally posted by RossiesAbu View Post2 players left in the hand, on the river Player A bets, Player B is thinking about it and says something like, "i think im going to have to call you", Player A then announces he has a straight, Player B mucks and Player A turns over his cards to show complete air. Should Player A face any sanctions?Atlantis Events Beat The Boss Saturday 7th Mar @5pm €5,000 Gtd The Dolmen Carlow
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Originally posted by Atlantispoker View PostAlmost afraid to type here but anyway looks like angle shoot followed by angleshoot followed by double bluff, B i think i have to call hears straight and folds A hears i think ive to call and misscalls his hand inducing a fold from B, because A cant win at showdown, nice work A and a warning for deliberatly miscalling your hand.
So either they both broke rules, or none of them did.
So if you want to give A a warning, you have to take the call chips off B and award them to A as the last player leftLast edited by Mellor; 12-10-16, 14:09.
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Originally posted by Atlantispoker View PostAlmost afraid to type here but anyway looks like angle shoot followed by angleshoot followed by double bluff, B i think i have to call hears straight and folds A hears i think ive to call and misscalls his hand inducing a fold from B, because A cant win at showdown, nice work A and a warning for deliberatly miscalling your hand.
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Originally posted by Lplate View PostWhy would you give a penalty here Liam? A is clearly "trash talking" trying to induce a fold. The hand doesn't get to showdown. If A had mucked, no one would know any different.Atlantis Events Beat The Boss Saturday 7th Mar @5pm €5,000 Gtd The Dolmen Carlow
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