General Poker Thread

[DecoTipp]

blinds 100/200 live game 8 handed table effective stacks fo the hand cirra 14k

folds to me on the btn i have Q10o make it 500, sb folds bb calls - reads on him so far is very little haven't seen many shown down hands although he plays aggressively and normally shows up with the goods

flop QxAx6x

It goes check/check

turn Q

it goes check, i bet 1100 i get checked raised to 3300, i flat

river 10

again he checks i best 2200 and get checked raised again to 5.5k

taughts on what he might show up with here?? how did i play the hand?? what do you do on the river??

Put him on Queen rag tbh. If he is agg I assume he defends his blinds with wide range. Any ace would prob be reraising imo. I would bet flop after it being checked to me, if I got reraised prob fold.

[newbie2]

@pgodkin - There's an outside chance he's got AQ/AA - if so then NH. If you think that's what he has then call..........

Whaaaaaaaat ?1?1!?1?

FML - I'm drunk

[tipp86]

@sligboi - I'm not folding here. I also don't like calling. You're OOP with a mid pair and 25 Big blinds. I'd 3bet to 13k - with every intention on calling a shove - it is the final table. The problem you have is if the flop comes with overcards. A shove prelflop won't fold out JJ/QQ/KK but it might fold out 55-99 and ATo+ - not really what you want. Fuck - Tens are a shit hand IMO.

Are you happy to come over a 4 bet with 99 or AJ in this spot? Im not for sure at best we can hope for AQ or AK even AQ isnt going to come over that 3 bet everytime.

[deyrzuited]

Mentioned this hand in bbv but don't fancy starting a thread for it..you guys are good enough for me

23 runner €100+10 tourney in local casino. 15k starting stack w/ 2k early bird so Average starting stack was somewhere around the 16.5k mark.

4th hand of FT, villain has taken down the last 2 hands after opening pre and taking them down w/o showdown. Haven't played w/ villain at all in this tourney and don't have much table time with him in general. I know he's a good agg player, capable of moves and he would know I'm aggressive as well.

Blinds 1k/2k
Effective stack: Mine, circa 55k (Villain playing around 70k)

Folds to villain in co and he makes it 5k. Folds to me in bb w/1010.

What's our line? 3bet to induce? Shove? Call?

For starters no way am i ever calling or folding, ever!! I think with 25 bigs v agg opponent its an easy 3bet/call or shove.. If your opponent is compotent as u say they are they are going to know your not 3bet folding with that stack(or at least you shouldn't be) and plus the fact that 3bet looks super strong id be more inclined to shove as it looks weaker and may get called lighter. Any argument for calling or folding is crazy imo

[tipp86]

For starters no way am i ever calling or folding, ever!! I think with 25 bigs v agg opponent its an easy 3bet/call or shove.. If your opponent is compotent as u say they are they are going to know your not 3bet folding with that stack(or at least you shouldn't be) and plus the fact that 3bet looks super strong id be more inclined to shove as it looks weaker and may get called lighter. Any argument for calling or folding is crazy imo

Ok whats your stack off range for 27.5bbs if you have invested 2.5bbs and villian 3 bets to 6.5bbs what do you 4 bet all in with?

[deyrzuited]

Ok whats your stack off range for 27.5bbs if you have invested 2.5bbs and villian 3 bets to 6.5bbs what do you 4 bet all in with?

Thats a very general question, do u mean if i was in cutoff and villian was in bb?? If so and I was in cutoff and opened for 2.5bb and villian in bb with 70bb or so 3bet to 6.5 my 4bet shoving range is prob 88+ aj+ v an agg player or someone i have history with. It really is player dependent, obviously online stats give you a good indicator of opponents 3betting range so u can adapt and assign a correct 4bet range, this is a 100 live game where i doubt the standard is too high so no point getting too creative i think a standard 4bet shove in such circumstances would be 99+ aq+ and if were beat ul gg.

[pgodkin]

blinds 100/200 live game 8 handed table effective stacks fo the hand cirra 14k

folds to me on the btn i have Q10o make it 500, sb folds bb calls - reads on him so far is very little haven't seen many shown down hands although he plays aggressively and normally shows up with the goods

flop QxAx6x

It goes check/check

turn Q

it goes check, i bet 1100 i get checked raised to 3300, i flat

river 10

again he checks i best 2200 and get checked raised again to 5.5k

taughts on what he might show up with here?? how did i play the hand?? what do you do on the river??

yeah was a well played AQ FML i said

[tipp86]

Thats a very general question, do u mean if i was in cutoff and villian was in bb?? If so and I was in cutoff and opened for 2.5bb and villian in bb with 70bb or so 3bet to 6.5 my 4bet shoving range is prob 88+ aj+ v an agg player or someone i have history with. It really is player dependent, obviously online stats give you a good indicator of opponents 3betting range so u can adapt and assign a correct 4bet range, this is a 100 live game where i doubt the standard is too high so no point getting too creative i think a standard 4bet shove in such circumstances would be 99+ aq+ and if were beat ul gg.

To be fair im open to your point in an online situation where we have lots of hands etc...

Live players dont go that mad especially capable players in €100 games. Im not getting it in quiet as light as you are happy to in the situation he points out above.

Sligoboi says he know villian but it appears villian may not know him.

If i raise to 2.5bbs in the cut off and im 3 bet by him there im sure as hell not 4 betting him there with 99. Il happily 4 bet qq up and AK but im leaving go of AQ and not sure what i do with JJ most likely 4 bet that but not loving it.

The simple fact is that villian will just have to credit bb with a hand he cant assume he is playing back at him.

[deyrzuited]

To be fair im open to your point in an online situation where we have lots of hands etc...

Live players dont go that mad especially capable players in €100 games. Im not getting it in quiet as light as you are happy to in the situation he points out above.

Sligoboi says he know villian but it appears villian may not know him.

If i raise to 2.5bbs in the cut off and im 3 bet by him there im sure as hell not 4 betting him there with 99. Il happily 4 bet qq up and AK but im leaving go of AQ and not sure what i do with JJ most likely 4 bet that but not loving it.

The simple fact is that villian will just have to credit bb with a hand he cant assume he is playing back at him.

Yea thats fair enough think I took it up wrong for some reason I thought villian had 70bb not 70k ha.. But yea in that case if villian 3bet me my range was prob too wide think i'll still include aq and def jj just considering were raisin from co and bb is competent and with a decent stack he should be applying pressure. Although if table is very bad and we can pick up easier chips elsewhere theres merit to folding marginal hands.

[Sledgejammer]

Posted this on the BBV but maybe it'd be better here, does anyone here have money on Moneybookers? I wanna take advantage of a deposit bonus being offered and withdrawing money negates the offer, so can anyone here ship me 80 euro and within ~two days I'll ship back 85? It'd be most appreciated, sorry for the double post.

[Flushdraw]

Posted this on the BBV but maybe it'd be better here, does anyone here have money on Moneybookers? I wanna take advantage of a deposit bonus being offered and withdrawing money negates the offer, so can anyone here ship me 80 euro and within ~two days I'll ship back 85? It'd be most appreciated, sorry for the double post.

I didn't notice this in the BBV. Think i looked after you before on moneybookers. Send me a PM with details and i'll sort it for you. Is it tonight you need it by?

[Sledgejammer]

I didn't notice this in the BBV. Think i looked after you before on moneybookers. Send me a PM with details and i'll sort it for you. Is it tonight you need it by?

PM sent, you did indeed sort me out last time so I really owe you now. Cheers again!

[tipp86]

I can do it if theres any issue.

[colquhom]

ikilldurrr, your poker screenname is the best thing ever

[ikilldurrr1]

Lol cheers. Keep her hush please. Loads of people compliment me on it.

Had a feeling you were a IPBer last month when you owned me in a couple of pots at 100nl rush. Then put it together with your results in that thread. One hand in particular i remember was when you flatted ak in bb i think. And i rivered 2nd nut flush v your flopped nuts and you crai river. VNH. Just 2 tabling here in bulgaria waiting for EMOP tomorrow.

Is your nick some kind of reference to an old noir film with Orson Welles in it? Possibly not though.

[colquhom]

Lol cheers. Keep her hush please. Loads of people compliment me on it.

Had a feeling you were a IPBer last month when you owned me in a couple of pots at 100nl rush. Then put it together with your results in that thread. One hand in particular i remember was when you flatted ak in bb i think. And i rivered 2nd nut flush v your flopped nuts and you crai river. VNH. Just 2 tabling here in bulgaria waiting for EMOP tomorrow.

Is your nick some kind of reference to an old noir film with Orson Welles in it? Possibly not though.

Cheers, i noticed your name all the time but never checked the location. Its the title of a Flann O'Brien novel, also to be kept hush please. Good luck in Bulgaria man.

[Sledgejammer]

I can do it if theres any issue.

Cheers tipp, but no issue, Flushdraw sorted me out. Cheers again.

[colquhom]

can anyone do 12 euro neteller for 12 full tilt or moneybookers?

[Emperor Badger]

Just a wuickie. Villian is playing 13/2 over 94 hands. Should we call and try to hit a set or a good draw or just fold seeing how tight he is?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 1.2 Tournament, 50/100 Blinds (5 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (Button) (t2650)
SB (t3690)
BB (t3790)
UTG (t930)
MP (t2440)

Hero's M: 17.67

Preflop: Hero is Button with J, J
1 fold, MP bets t300, Hero ???

[Hectorjelly]

16850

Not enough, consult stack size.

[Hectorjelly]

Just a quick easy one here. Am I getting max value here or do any play it different?

Poker Stars $5.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t30/t60 Blinds - 9 players - View hand 1326411
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Hero (CO): t2826 47.10 BBs
BTN: t1730 28.83 BBs
SB: t1850 30.83 BBs
BB: t4143 69.05 BBs
UTG: t2185 36.42 BBs
UTG+1: t1460 24.33 BBs
UTG+2: t3740 62.33 BBs
MP1: t1535 25.58 BBs
MP2: t4531 75.52 BBs

Pre Flop: (t90) Hero is CO with K :diamond: A :club:
3 folds, MP1 calls t60, MP2 raises to t240, Hero calls t240, 1 fold, SB calls t210, 2 folds

Flop: (t840) 9 :club: K :club: 4 :heart: (3 players)
SB checks, MP2 bets t420, Hero calls t420, SB folds

Turn: (t1680) 6 :heart: (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero checks

River: (t1680) K :heart: (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets t660, MP2 calls t660

You got close to min value, no 3 bet, checked turn and tiny bet on river.

[Hectorjelly]

blinds 100/200 live game 8 handed table effective stacks fo the hand cirra 14k

folds to me on the btn i have Q10o make it 500, sb folds bb calls - reads on him so far is very little haven't seen many shown down hands although he plays aggressively and normally shows up with the goods

flop QxAx6x

It goes check/check

turn Q

it goes check, i bet 1100 i get checked raised to 3300, i flat

river 10

again he checks i best 2200 and get checked raised again to 5.5k

taughts on what he might show up with here?? how did i play the hand?? what do you do on the river??

Unless villain is very tight id go all in. Something to be said for fc if player can fold tripsflush

You played it well

[Emmet]

Quick one here, 90 players left, 40 paid. Should I be open folding here sometimes?

IPoker, $5 + $0.50 NL Hold'em Tournament, 100/200 Blinds, 25 Ante, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

CO: 3,913.50
BTN: 5,240
SB: 1,405
BB: 3,300
Hero (UTG): 3,666
UTG+1: 10,666
UTG+2: 1,821
MP1: 4,335
MP2: 1,423.50

Pre-Flop: (525) 3 3 dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero raises to 3,641 and is All-In, 4 folds, CO raises to 3,888.50 and is All-In, 3 folds

Flop: (7,807) K 3 9 (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Turn: (7,807) 8 (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: (7,807) 6 (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: 7,807 Pot
CO showed K K and WON 8,054.50 (+4,413.50 NET)
Hero showed 3 3 and LOST (-3,641 NET)

[thechamp87]

Quick one here, 90 players left, 40 paid. Should I be open folding here sometimes?

IPoker, $5 + $0.50 NL Hold'em Tournament, 100/200 Blinds, 25 Ante, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

CO: 3,913.50
BTN: 5,240
SB: 1,405
BB: 3,300
Hero (UTG): 3,666
UTG+1: 10,666
UTG+2: 1,821
MP1: 4,335
MP2: 1,423.50

Pre-Flop: (525) 3 3 dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero raises to 3,641 and is All-In, 4 folds, CO raises to 3,888.50 and is All-In, 3 folds

Flop: (7,807) K 3 9 (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Turn: (7,807) 8 (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: (7,807) 6 (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: 7,807 Pot
CO showed K K and WON 8,054.50 (+4,413.50 NET)
Hero showed 3 3 and LOST (-3,641 NET)

Fold. Especially on iPoker.

[Emmet]

I reckoned almost instantly that I'd made a mistake alright. Annoying stuff, ah well, onto the next

[newbie2]

Quick one here, 90 players left, 40 paid. Should I be open folding here sometimes?

IPoker, $5 + $0.50 NL Hold'em Tournament, 100/200 Blinds, 25 Ante, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

CO: 3,913.50
BTN: 5,240
SB: 1,405
BB: 3,300
Hero (UTG): 3,666
UTG+1: 10,666
UTG+2: 1,821
MP1: 4,335
MP2: 1,423.50

Pre-Flop: (525) 3 3 dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero raises to 3,641 and is All-In, 4 folds, CO raises to 3,888.50 and is All-In, 3 folds

Flop: (7,807) K 3 9 (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Turn: (7,807) 8 (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: (7,807) 6 (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: 7,807 Pot
CO showed K K and WON 8,054.50 (+4,413.50 NET)
Hero showed 3 3 and LOST (-3,641 NET)

Ejacufold. You're only ever gonna be called by a hand that crushes you or you're flipping. The best outcome you can hope for is everybody folds and you pick up the blinds/antes - which is unlikely - unless you're seen as an ubernit at the table - and at these levels on ipoker people are not even looking at your play IMO.

[newbie2]

Just a wuickie. Villian is playing 13/2 over 94 hands. Should we call and try to hit a set or a good draw or just fold seeing how tight he is?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 1.2 Tournament, 50/100 Blinds (5 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (Button) (t2650)
SB (t3690)
BB (t3790)
UTG (t930)
MP (t2440)

Hero's M: 17.67

Preflop: Hero is Button with J, J
1 fold, MP bets t300, Hero ???

i don't mind calling because we have position. I'd like to know if the raiser has any history of folding to 3bets - if he doesn't then it's either call or fold pre against this type of player.

in fairness - call re-asses the river.

[AndyFatBastard]

I bought tableninja last week and am loving it. I'm really able to increase my volume without relying on the silliness of Rush poker. I've played 7k hands already this month. All I have to do is get profitable again and I'll be sorted.

[DecoTipp]

Two quick hands here, just want some feedback on how to play them preflop. I feel that Im doing the right things but just running pretty bad. Any help appreciated. Ill post what I did and outcomes after feedback.

Playing live game 7 handed. Seems to be a few fish, but have seen some good laydowns aswell. Blinds 300/600. Im button with 24k approx and above average stack. 4 limps into me and I have JJ. What to do?

Same table blinds now 500/1000. Im MP with 22K stack. UTG and UTG+1 limp bout have me covered. I have 99. What to do?

[ikilldurrr1]

First one, you should raise to 4kish. That should clear out a few of them and get the pot heads up or 3 handed with a premium hand in position. 2nd one i like a shove.

[DecoTipp]

First one, you should raise to 4kish. That should clear out a few of them and get the pot heads up or 3 handed with a premium hand in position. 2nd one i like a shove.

Thanks, I raised to 4.2k, got reshoved by one of the limpers with 9k snapped off and sucked out to KQ.
2nd I shoved and UTG calls with QQ.

As I said I feel I played them right and just got unlucky, ran into donks!

[connie147]

Thanks, I raised to 4.2k, got reshoved by one of the limpers with 9k snapped off and sucked out to KQ.
2nd I shoved and UTG calls with QQ.

As I said I feel I played them right and just got unlucky, ran into donks!

You played both just fine.

Connie

[Theresa]

Just a quick one:

100bb effective.

Villain was something like 22/11/2 when I played this hand.

Villain opens Btn to .60.
Hero 3bets AdAs bb to 1.80
He calls.

Pot: 3.70
Flop: 9cqc3d

Hero bets 1.90
He calls.

Turn is 10s

Hero?

Again, Im sure this is pretty standard but its these spots Im unsure of as they come up a lot.

[Emmet]

whats your hand?

Bet though!

[Theresa]

whats your hand?

Bet though!

Fixed. Ive AA.

Lol Im such a tard. Dosed up massively here so things moving a little slower than usual.

[Theresa]

Oh and B/c or B/f?

And Why?

[colquhom]

BOOM

[AndyFatBastard]

BOOM

MBN

[colquhom]

MBN

I'm on the most outrageous heater in the last 3 months, theres no point in me playing any higher if can just play 1000 hands an hour and literally print money, i just sit at my computer for a couple of hours and day and lol to myself.

[AndyFatBastard]

I'm on the most outrageous heater in the last 3 months, theres no point in me playing any higher if can just play 1000 hands an hour and literally print money, i just sit at my computer for a couple of hours and day and lol to myself.

Seriously, fuck you. I'm running so horribly bad it's untrue. Please suffer some kind of horrific industrial accident.

[AndyFatBastard]

Seriously, fuck you. I'm running so horribly bad it's untrue. Please suffer some kind of horrific industrial accident.

On sober reflection, this might have been a tad harsh.

[Caf]

Fold. Especially on iPoker.

Why especially on ipoker?

I fold too but on all software and live, just curious is all.

edit: I guess I'm asking what are the dynamics that could make this a shove?

[colquhom]

On sober reflection, this might have been a tad harsh.

lol dont worry, i've expressed similar sentiments many times myself!

[colquhom]

seriously jinxed myself with that graph anyway, won't be doing that again

[tipp86]

Just played 1 table HU 50nl there the guy within a few seconds wanted to go 2 tables. He wouldnt really have much reason to assume im a fish he should guess he would have an edge alright tho but most hu guys at these stakes refuse to play 90% of the time.

He kept pissing me off so i sat in a 2k hu table

SPOILER

( no intention to actually play a hand )

that shut him up and he eventually left. It was pretty weird like if he felt he had an edge why not stay and 1 table he was down money aswell.

[Sledgejammer]

Just played 1 table HU 50nl there the guy within a few seconds wanted to go 2 tables. He wouldnt really have much reason to assume im a fish he should guess he would have an edge alright tho but most hu guys at these stakes refuse to play 90% of the time.

He kept pissing me off so i sat in a 2k hu table

SPOILER

( no intention to actually play a hand )

that shut him up and he eventually left. It was pretty weird like if he felt he had an edge why not stay and 1 table he was down money aswell.

Maybe he was just tilted/looking to get even for the day/likes to play lots of tables etc, could be loads of reasons why he'd wanna multitable most of which wont be all that rational or all that related to his win/hourly rate.

[TommyGunne]

Maybe he was just tilted/looking to get even for the day/likes to play lots of tables etc, could be loads of reasons why he'd wanna multitable most of which wont be all that rational or all that related to his win/hourly rate.

Multitable HU battles are among the most fun things invented. Poker can be pretty boring at times, but playing the same guy HU on 4 tables is just an awesome awesome thing.

[Emmet]

In PLO and I completely agree

[RoadSweeper]

{Appropriate Ace joke}

[colquhom]

Prob tempting fate but after i lost all the money from my last graph, i felt sad. I thought, oh noes, its going to take me a while to earn all that back. NO. BOOM again, managed to do it while running 2.2k under EV too. Easy game this.

Think thats my best day ever.

[AndyFatBastard]

Prob tempting fate but after i lost all the money from my last graph, i felt sad. I thought, oh noes, its going to take me a while to earn all that back. NO. BOOM again, managed to do it while running 2.2k under EV too. Easy game this.

Think thats my best day ever.

Do you give coaching?

[colquhom]

Do you give coaching?

lol, no. In the scheme of things i doubt i have any idea what i'm doing.

[Guest]

Did you change stakes at hand 3644, or were the previous 3000 hands just the most boring in history?!

[colquhom]

yeah, changed stakes, initially 1-2, rest is 24 - 510

[Teddie]

Looking for a new site so wondering where the cool kids(fish) are playing now? Havent played any poker post black friday so wondering how things have changed.

[AndyFatBastard]

Looking for a new site so wondering where the cool kids(fish) are playing now? Havent played any poker post black friday so wondering how things have changed.

The games are better since black friday. There were basically no casual american players left, so with all those grinders gone it's softer across the board. I guess it depends what you want to play. 25/50c cash on Party Poker is soft because the players are spewtastic. <$20 SNGs on both Stars and FT are soft enough too.


Guys I said I'd post this here first since many of the regulars missed the boat last time. I'm gonna play the summer series in Sheffield again this year. Two events, one £220 and one £550. Selling 1% for $12.50. Send me a PM if you're interested. I'll start a % sale thread tomorrow night in the main forum so get em while they're hot.

[digiman]

The games are better since black friday. There were basically no casual american players left, so with all those grinders gone it's softer across the board. I guess it depends what you want to play. 25/50c cash on Party Poker is soft because the players are spewtastic. <$20 SNGs on both Stars and FT are soft enough too.


Guys I said I'd post this here first since many of the regulars missed the boat last time. I'm gonna play the summer series in Sheffield again this year. Two events, one £220 and one £550. Selling 1% for $12.50. Send me a PM if you're interested. I'll start a % sale thread tomorrow night in the main forum so get em while they're hot.

I'll take 4%

[AndyFatBastard]

I'll take 4%

Booked. Payment details in the Selling % forum. Cheers for the support.

[sligoboi]

Live tourney. My image would probably TAG with a little bit of spew thrown in...

Playing 9k at 75/150 I make it 400 utg w/ Ako. 4 callers including blinds.

Flop AQx 2 spades 1 club

I cbet 1300>>>2000 (Thoughts on sizing?)

Btn calls playing 6.5k after the call. He thinks he's very good but in all honesty he has the tinyest of edges even in this live donkament setting, if even that! He's also tilted from when someone made "a horrible call" (his words) with 55 vs his ako and it held.

Turn 8c

Hero??

[bohsman]

Live tourney. My image would probably TAG with a little bit of spew thrown in...

Playing 9k at 75/150 I make it 400 utg w/ Ako. 4 callers including blinds.

Flop AQx 2 spades 1 club

I cbet 1300>>>2000 (Thoughts on sizing?)

Btn calls playing 6.5k after the call. He thinks he's very good but in all honesty he has the tinyest of edges even in this live donkament setting, if even that! He's also tilted from when someone made "a horrible call" (his words) with 55 vs his ako and it held.

Turn 8c

Hero??

All in, there should be draws and worse aces in his range.