Bad beat/Moan/Venting Thread - BBV Archive 1

[LuckyLloyd]

but what is he actually saying?

figuratively murder the middle classes (of which he is one, even though he'll probably deny it ) in order to keep the non-productive folks in SW-bubble benefit heaven?

there's no equity in that and it's also bad economics

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember it being said before last year's budget that for each EURO taken off the standard rate of social welfare (i.e. €196) the government saves €23m on the year. I don't mean to sniff at €23m mind, but it just underlines that our problems are a lot bigger than the rate of SW. I would have no problem lobbing €20 or €30 off it mind, I'm not on an interest group jerk around here. But it does irk me when you have people going 'cut it to whatever the Brits get and cut them off after 12 months' as their ultimate fix to the country's present difficulties.

The majority of people receiving SW at the current time are genuinely seeking employment, and contributed to PRSI during the boom years. Yes, there is an element of welfare scroungers and cheats in our society - but they were here during 1994 - 2008 and will always be here. If you've ever had to engage with the Social Welfare system before you'll have met who I'm talking about, the guys who just know 100% what's going on, which department provides which payment and which person to go see on which day with which form etc, etc, etc. Those boys will be working whatever system or level of Welfare State you put in place. And it happens everywhere. The mistake is to assume they are bigger in number than they actually are - to tar people engaging honestly with the system with the same brush.

At the end of the day, the total amount spent each year on SW is a fraction of that spent on Public Sector wages. I have said it in here before and I'll say it again - we get shocking value relative to the level PS salaries are pitched at. The real fucking solution here is to go in to every State Department and assess the shit out of what each employee brings to the table on a yearly basis, and cut / hire wages in relation to it. The idea of blanket rises and drops in pay bands or big picture hiring / firing across departments is ludicrous. In the private sector employees don't get to hide away as part of one large mob. The employment picture gets broken down to an individual level - and that is exactly as it should be too.

That's what irritates me about your posts and conversely pleases me about Solk's: it's very fucking easy to go after the more vulnerable party in this thing. We should all be livid with what was announced today, but only because it doesn't dare go near the big White Elephant problem we have in terms of State Expenditure. And all because they do vote, and will strike, and will clog up the city centre if you push them. Unbelievable.

There was a lot more that I wanted to say, but I lost my train of thought. Fuck it.

[sligoboi]

I take it we've seen this from last night's Real game..Some people have a problem with it but it's a lot better than clattering someone just for the sake of it.

Please note: watch on mute..music is kak
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AnhWyunhjw&feature=player_embedded[/ame]

And here's the sequence of instructions..Dudek - from Champions League hero to messenger boy!

[Raoul Duke III]

heh, I just logged on to see who was going to the Fitz sat and saw this from Lloyd.

I think you're taking me up slightly wrong; you seem to infer that I'm saying that cutting SW is going to solve things. It's not but it still has to be done. There was a bubble in SW rates, a bubble in PS salaries and those anomolies have to be corrected. That's what I'm talking about - simple maths, nothing more. You didn't see me personalising things by talking about 'skangers', 'scroungers' or the like.

Anyway the 4 year plan is a joke, given that FF will be gone within 3 months.

[Gholimoli]

Just my 2cents on the whole political thing and the current situation:

1. Being from a country that has a political system that really is unlike anything you have seen, in terms of lies, corruption, deceit, crookedness etc
i will put the recent actions(the lies ,the cover-ups etc) of current government ,up there with my own.


2. What i always liked about a democracy or what i saw here, was that everyone could speak out. If you didn't like something you say it, without being scared.
However this freedom of speech is really useless IMO if there is no accountability...
Without it, what’s the point of saying anything really?

The fact that no one will be held accountable for what has happened to this country is really no different, than all the corruption and cover-ups that goes over there.


@Iago:
Though i agree with you that you have a lot to be thankful for, i don't think that's the point.
Iran had a very good economy about 40 years ago when Shah was there.
We had an open economy and a good relationship with rest of the world.

We have gone severely backwards since then and even though we still have ,and enjoy all the things you mentioned in your post,i think we still have a right to be upset about where we could have been and where we are.
There is someone to blame for this.

[Zuroph]

http://audioserver.todayfm.com/audio/fouryearplan.mp3

brian lenihan on the last word discussing the "plan"

[NewApproach]

I take it we've seen this from last night's Real game..Some people have a problem with it but it's a lot better than clattering someone just for the sake of it.

Please note: watch on mute..music is kak

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AnhWyunhjw&feature=player_embedded

And here's the sequence of instructions..Dudek - from Champions League hero to messenger boy!

How is it they won't get 3 match bans? I thought that was mandatory when you get a red card or whats the story? Is it diff because it was their second yellow?

[LuckyLloyd]

heh, I just logged on to see who was going to the Fitz sat and saw this from Lloyd.

I think you're taking me up slightly wrong; you seem to infer that I'm saying that cutting SW is going to solve things. It's not but it still has to be done. There was a bubble in SW rates, a bubble in PS salaries and those anomolies have to be corrected. That's what I'm talking about - simple maths, nothing more. You didn't see me personalising things by talking about 'skangers', 'scroungers' or the like.

Anyway the 4 year plan is a joke, given that FF will be gone within 3 months.

Yes, but what was announced today addresses one and largely ignores the other you dig? And shock, horror! One section affected is a powerful political lobbying group and the other isn't. Surprising that.

[Flushdraw]

Who is this one lady Tony?

It's Denise Milani aka Bluedress Girl

[sligoboi]

How is it they won't get 3 match bans? I thought that was mandatory when you get a red card or whats the story? Is it diff because it was their second yellow?

1 match ban for 2 yellows meaning they serve suspensions in the next game rather than risk getting banned for the knockout stages.

Edit - being investigated apparantly

[NewApproach]

There seems to be alot of talk in the media at the minute that simply allowing our banks to default puts us in a better position in the long run that being bent over by the IMF/EU.

Is it simply a given that a new international bank will want to come in, or could this be an issue? Also, as we would have to go back to the bond markets for lending (after the banks defaulting), would we not have to pay ridiculous yields on them?

Surely if we are going to default anyway if we take the 'bailout', is this not the better long term option?

[Sledgejammer]

That was alot of BBV catching up there...Cliffs for anyone who isn't arsed

- We're over the worst of it now
- Now's a good time to buy property, buy low sell high!
- Re-elect the current government because you don't change horses mid stream

[Emmet]

Defaulting and letting the banks collapse provides a black hole though.

A black hole for the EU, and a black hole for Us.

A lot of uncertainty over the events that would happen if we did reject the bailout proposition and instead default.

A better "fix" (for Ireland), would be for the EU to take control over the banks, as opposed to filtering the money through the Govt to do so. The loans would remain corporate, and would not be burdened upon the tax payers.

Try convincing the EU to do that though!

[NewApproach]

Yes, but what was announced today addresses one and largely ignores the other you dig? And shock, horror! One section affected is a powerful political lobbying group and the other isn't. Surprising that.

Correct me if my figures are wrong, but cutting €2.8bn from a €20bn bill isn't overly drastic in view of the problems we find ourselves in. Especially when you consider that many who are currently in receipt of SW may emigrate in the next few years.

[Fullof..It]

How is it they won't get 3 match bans? I thought that was mandatory when you get a red card or whats the story? Is it diff because it was their second yellow?

Both should be banned from the remainder of this years CL

[NewApproach]

Defaulting and letting the banks collapse provides a black hole though.

A black hole for the EU, and a black hole for Us.

A lot of uncertainty over the events that would happen if we did reject the bailout proposition and instead default.

A better "fix" (for Ireland), would be for the EU to take control over the banks, as opposed to filtering the money through the Govt to do so. The loans would remain corporate, and would not be burdened upon the tax payers.

Try convincing the EU to do that though!

As you say, the EU aren't simply gonna take over our banks and the debts associated with them.

In what way would it leave us in a black hole? Not being able to borrow to fund exchequer spending?

Surely if we let the banks default, it becomes the EU's problem, not ours.

[Ace]

another pic of her, I dont think she's great, first pic is obv v professional, this one, she looks like any other local friendly escort IMO[NSFW="adree"]
[/NSFW]

ok ok, i see your raise, but i'm all in, find a bad pic of this girl and you win

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[ghostface]

Both should be banned from the remainder of this years CL

What rule did they break?

[NewApproach]

1 match ban for 2 yellows meaning they serve suspensions in the next game rather than risk getting banned for the knockout stages.

Edit - being investigated apparantly

What is there to investigate though? They didn't break any rule. Simply made the most of what the rules allow for in a situation like this.

Actually very clever of Mourinho

[Fullof..It]

As you say, the EU aren't simply gonna take over our banks and the debts associated with them.

In what way would it leave us in a black hole? Not being able to borrow to fund exchequer spending?

Surely if we let the banks default, it becomes the EU's problem, not ours.

Isnt it more likely that 3 years of paying back will become 10 years or greater.

Injection was needed to calm everyone down which it didnt do and I cant see the IMF / EU dont seeing the near certainty of us defaulting over the 3 year plan.

[sligoboi]

What is there to investigate though? They didn't break any rule. Simply made the most of what the rules allow for in a situation like this.

I agree and nothing will come of it but UEFA will want to be seen to come out against unsporting behaviour.

[Zuroph]

ok ok, i see your raise, but i'm all in, find a bad pic of this girl and you win

NSFW

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[Emmet]

As you say, the EU aren't simply gonna take over our banks and the debts associated with them.

In what way would it leave us in a black hole? Not being able to borrow to fund exchequer spending?

Surely if we let the banks default, it becomes the EU's problem, not ours.

We are in the EU though!

Leave us in a black hole with regards to future trading and investment. Leave us in a black hole with regards to market confidence in us ever regaining a decent standard of living.

There is no official exit strategy from the Euro currency, and defaulting would leave us with a tough ask to not get kicked out. If we get kicked out of the currency, are we getting turfed out of EU too?

We have enough money to last us until May, what happens after then if we can't borrow from the EU? We pay 11% in the market maybe? Speeding our way to default and re-default.

We can't say that the EU's problems are just the EU's, just as they can't say that Irish problems our just ours!

I tried to explain it to a friend at home who is a film buff, and the best explanation I could get was to compare the EU restarting the Banking system (through Ireland) akin to the scientists restarting the Sun in "Sunshine", with a huge and sudden burst of capital in one, particularly devoid part, that should spread very quickly through the system, and spark confidence and a return to somewhat reasonable standards.

This is the main/only reason I could see them agreeing to take over the banks/bank debt. We do have some bargaining power, but we probably don't have the right (i.e crazy, unpredictable) people in control of it.

A lot of American blogs and economists commenting how ridiculously unfair it is for Irish people to bear the brunt of an EU wide problem...

[Keane]

Didn't Beckham get an extended ban for doing similar for England a few years ago?

In terms of breaking rules, they could bring any of the "bringing the game into disrepute" type charges against them fairly easily no?

[Flushdraw]

What rule did they break?

What's to stop a team that's losing 2 or 3 nil, using the same tactic to get 5 players sent off and get the game abandoned. If it's allowed to go unpunished, it will be abused throughout every football competition. It needs to be classed as ungentlemanly conduct or some other and they should get a 3 match ban

I'm pretty sure it goes on when players have 4 yellows and get a ban after 5, but i don't think it's ever as obvious and the 2 Real players

[pocketdooz]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember it being said before last year's budget that for each EURO taken off the standard rate of social welfare (i.e. €196) the government saves €23m on the year. I don't mean to sniff at €23m mind, but it just underlines that our problems are a lot bigger than the rate of SW. I would have no problem lobbing €20 or €30 off it mind, I'm not on an interest group jerk around here. But it does irk me when you have people going 'cut it to whatever the Brits get and cut them off after 12 months' as their ultimate fix to the country's present difficulties.

The majority of people receiving SW at the current time are genuinely seeking employment, and contributed to PRSI during the boom years. Yes, there is an element of welfare scroungers and cheats in our society - but they were here during 1994 - 2008 and will always be here. If you've ever had to engage with the Social Welfare system before you'll have met who I'm talking about, the guys who just know 100% what's going on, which department provides which payment and which person to go see on which day with which form etc, etc, etc. Those boys will be working whatever system or level of Welfare State you put in place. And it happens everywhere. The mistake is to assume they are bigger in number than they actually are - to tar people engaging honestly with the system with the same brush.

At the end of the day, the total amount spent each year on SW is a fraction of that spent on Public Sector wages. I have said it in here before and I'll say it again - we get shocking value relative to the level PS salaries are pitched at. The real fucking solution here is to go in to every State Department and assess the shit out of what each employee brings to the table on a yearly basis, and cut / hire wages in relation to it. The idea of blanket rises and drops in pay bands or big picture hiring / firing across departments is ludicrous. In the private sector employees don't get to hide away as part of one large mob. The employment picture gets broken down to an individual level - and that is exactly as it should be too.

That's what irritates me about your posts and conversely pleases me about Solk's: it's very fucking easy to go after the more vulnerable party in this thing. We should all be livid with what was announced today, but only because it doesn't dare go near the big White Elephant problem we have in terms of State Expenditure. And all because they do vote, and will strike, and will clog up the city centre if you push them. Unbelievable.

There was a lot more that I wanted to say, but I lost my train of thought. Fuck it.

Quality.

[KevIRL]

Thanks for the advice Lottie, have emailed Keytrade for the IBAN and swift code, hopefully will get them tomorrow and get to the bank and get it done

[pgodkin]

All knowledgeable BBV, whats the cheapest way of sending a large box from Dublin to Grenoble - Box to include things such as computer, PS3, monitor etc.

Ring a company called DSV, contact there Euorpean Groupage section in building 1 in naas they can do something for you, look for the french export desk. they have a load of depots across the france and will prob give you the best rate, if you go through any of the other freight forwarders they will in turn ring DSV for a price so you might as well cut out the middle man!

BBV deliveries again (excuse the pun)

[Keane]

Quality.

+1

I didn't want to quote such a big post just to say "wp", but vwp imo.

[Strewelpeter]

but that's irrelevant really. Our "mess" as you put it is nothing but a pipe dream for the vast majority of the worlds population.

In 2005 (last reliable research) there were 2.6billion people living on less than $2 a day. Now I know that everything is relative but regardless of how relative you make it I think you'd struggle to find a single one of them that wouldn't swap places with us in a heartbeat. What we go through is relatively difficult, but in the greater scheme of things it's a lot of moaning about nothing.

This and it ain't even close.

Anyone who complains about our Social Welfare system and what the cuts mean should be sent to a Third World country for a year. Ironically they would probably survive and do quite well there because of the tens of thousands that have already been poured into their Education and Health here.

[Ace]

not working

fixed now, don't think you'll be able to call my all in

[Emmet]

A lot of American blogs and economists commenting how ridiculously unfair it is for Irish people to bear the brunt of an EU wide problem...

This guy, for instance.

November 24, 2010, 8:35 AM
Lands of Ice and Ire
Back in early 2009, it was supposed to be gallows humor:

What’s the difference between Iceland and Ireland? Answer: One letter and about six months.
Almost two years on, the joke is on the jokers: despite epic irresponsibility on the part of its bankers, on a scale that makes Irish bankers look like Jimmy Stewart, at this point Iceland actually looks a bit better than Ireland.

I wrote about the surprising resilience of Iceland a while back. Since then, Ireland has had a bit of growth, while Iceland had a modest setback in the first half of 2010 (partly thanks to the volcano). Using Eurostat data, we now have this:


Eurostat
Slightly worse (but within measurement error) GDP performance in Iceland, but substantially less bad employment performance. And don’t get me started on Latvia and Estonia.

The IMF’s latest report on Iceland is remarkably chipper:

Under the recovery program, Iceland’s recession has been shallower than expected, and no worse than in less hard-hit countries. At the same time, the krona has stabilized at a competitive level, inflation has come down from 18 to under 5 percent, and CDS spreads have dropped from around 1000 to about 300 basis points. Current account deficits have unwound, and international reserves have been built up, while private sector bankruptcies have led to a marked decline in external debt, to around 300 percent of GDP.
Oh, and while the IMF is demanding that Ireland cut minimum wages and reduce unemployment benefits, its mission to Iceland praised the “focus on preserving Iceland’s valued Nordic social welfare model.”

What’s going on here? In a nutshell, Ireland has been orthodox and responsible — guaranteeing all debts, engaging in savage austerity to try to pay for the cost of those guarantees, and, of course, staying on the euro. Iceland has been heterodox: capital controls, large devaluation, and a lot of debt restructuring — notice that wonderful line from the IMF, above, about how “private sector bankruptcies have led to a marked decline in external debt”. Bankrupting yourself to recovery! Seriously.

And guess what: heterodoxy is working a whole lot better than orthodoxy.

[Dice75]

What rule did they break?

Have Madrid backed for CL - excellent work I say

[Starvin Marvin]

Good job whoever recommended Passion Pit, album is pretty tasty so far.

[connie147]

Spurs game is really suited to this CL. Great start for them tonite.

[tylerdurden94]

What rule did they break?

What is there to investigate though? They didn't break any rule. Simply made the most of what the rules allow for in a situation like this.

Actually very clever of Mourinho

Its kinda scummy basically angleshooting.

[sligoboi]

Don't forget people..tonight's the night

[Angry-Ball]

Top 250 IMDB Movies.

Ive seen 104 of them.

SPOILER

1. 9.2 The Shawshank Redemption (1994) 535,915
2. 9.1 The Godfather (1972) 421,414
3. 9.0 The Godfather: Part II (1974) 252,847
4. 8.9 The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (1966) 166,221
5. 8.9 Inception (2010) 236,065
6. 8.9 Pulp Fiction (1994) 429,072
7. 8.9 Schindler's List (1993) 284,122
8. 8.9 12 Angry Men (1957) 123,976
9. 8.8 One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (1975) 221,112
10. 8.8 The Dark Knight (2008) 479,069
11. 8.8 Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back (1980) 284,785
12. 8.8 The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2003) 374,010
13. 8.8 Seven Samurai (1954) 99,348
14. 8.7 Star Wars: A New Hope (1977) 328,026
15. 8.7 Goodfellas (1990) 235,860
16. 8.7 Casablanca (1942) 171,606
17. 8.7 Fight Club (1999) 394,183
18. 8.7 City of God (2002) 172,628
19. 8.7 The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (2001) 397,253
20. 8.7 Toy Story 3 (2010) 84,114
21. 8.7 Rear Window (1954) 121,856
22. 8.7 Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981) 248,232
23. 8.7 Once Upon a Time in the West (1968) 76,661
24. 8.7 Psycho (1960) 147,747
25. 8.7 The Usual Suspects (1995) 273,373
26. 8.7 The Matrix (1999) 391,666
27. 8.6 The Silence of the Lambs (1991) 252,793
28. 8.6 Se7en (1995) 288,219
29. 8.6 Memento (2000) 282,730
30. 8.6 It's a Wonderful Life (1946) 103,825
31. 8.6 The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (2002) 335,476
32. 8.6 Sunset Blvd. (1950) 56,312
33. 8.6 Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (1964) 159,212
34. 8.6 Leon: The Professional (1994) 206,255
35. 8.6 Forrest Gump (1994) 310,694
36. 8.6 Citizen Kane (1941) 141,066
37. 8.6 Apocalypse Now (1979) 177,374
38. 8.6 North by Northwest (1959) 95,524
39. 8.6 American Beauty (1999) 299,906
40. 8.5 American History X (1998) 231,978
41. 8.5 Taxi Driver (1976) 160,528
42. 8.5 Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991) 244,640
43. 8.5 Vertigo (1958) 94,040
44. 8.5 Saving Private Ryan (1998) 277,039
45. 8.5 Amélie (2001) 186,725
46. 8.5 Alien (1979) 185,484
47. 8.5 WALL·E (2008) 189,668
48. 8.5 Lawrence of Arabia (1962) 81,242
49. 8.5 The Shining (1980) 183,219
50. 8.5 Spirited Away (2001) 104,749
51. 8.5 Paths of Glory (1957) 46,063
52. 8.5 A Clockwork Orange (1971) 198,420
53. 8.5 To Kill a Mockingbird (1962) 84,754
54. 8.5 The Pianist (2002) 138,929
55. 8.5 Double Indemnity (1944) 38,108
56. 8.4 The Lives of Others (2006) 78,003
57. 8.4 The Departed (2006) 272,517
58. 8.4 M (1931) 41,068
59. 8.4 Aliens (1986) 174,314
60. 8.4 City Lights (1931) 28,517
61. 8.4 Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (2004) 226,059
62. 8.4 Requiem for a Dream (2000) 190,551
63. 8.4 Das Boot (1981) 71,786
64. 8.4 The Third Man (1949) 52,056
65. 8.4 L.A. Confidential (1997) 168,680
66. 8.4 Chinatown (1974) 81,082
67. 8.4 Reservoir Dogs (1992) 218,243
68. 8.4 The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (1948) 34,102
69. 8.4 Modern Times (1936) 36,953
70. 8.4 Monty Python and the Holy Grail (1975) 158,424
71. 8.4 Life Is Beautiful (1997) 112,216
72. 8.4 Back to the Future (1985) 208,774
73. 8.4 Pan's Labyrinth (2006) 159,364
74. 8.4 The Prestige (2006) 215,325
75. 8.4 Raging Bull (1980) 92,276
76. 8.3 Singin' in the Rain (1952) 56,750
77. 8.3 Nuovo Cinema Paradiso (1988) 47,082
78. 8.3 The Bridge on the River Kwai (1957) 60,099
79. 8.3 Some Like It Hot (1959) 69,077
80. 8.3 Rashômon (1950) 40,096
81. 8.3 Amadeus (1984) 99,659
82. 8.3 All About Eve (1950) 35,709
83. 8.3 Once Upon a Time in America (1984) 74,297
84. 8.3 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) 163,964
85. 8.3 Inglourious Basterds (2009) 189,058
86. 8.3 The Green Mile (1999) 205,448
87. 8.3 Full Metal Jacket (1987) 156,418
88. 8.3 Braveheart (1995) 246,936
89. 8.3 The Great Dictator (1940) 38,314
90. 8.3 Bicycle Thieves (1948) 28,482
91. 8.3 The Apartment (1960) 37,523
92. 8.3 Downfall (2004) 85,013
93. 8.3 Up (2009) 118,267
94. 8.3 Gran Torino (2008) 135,556
95. 8.3 Metropolis (1927) 41,019
96. 8.3 The Maltese Falcon (1941) 52,655
97. 8.3 The Sting (1973) 67,577
98. 8.3 Gladiator (2000) 287,754
99. 8.3 The Elephant Man (1980) 59,959
100. 8.3 Sin City (2005) 262,361
101. 8.3 Unforgiven (1992) 101,815
102. 8.3 Mr. Smith Goes to Washington (1939) 34,136
103. 8.3 Oldboy (2003) 101,156
104. 8.3 On the Waterfront (1954) 42,229
105. 8.3 Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (1989) 175,829
106. 8.3 Star Wars: Return of the Jedi (1983) 216,037
107. 8.3 Rebecca (1940) 36,270
108. 8.3 The Great Escape (1963) 63,745
109. 8.3 Die Hard (1988) 186,395
110. 8.3 Batman Begins (2005) 277,645
111. 8.2 Mononoke-hime (1997) 67,706
112. 8.2 Jaws (1975) 141,736
113. 8.2 Slumdog Millionaire (2008) 182,968
114. 8.2 Hotel Rwanda (2004) 94,955
115. 8.2 The Seventh Seal (1957) 38,109
116. 8.2 Blade Runner (1982) 189,591
117. 8.2 Fargo (1996) 168,854
118. 8.2 No Country for Old Men (2007) 203,827
119. 8.2 Heat (1995) 148,835
120. 8.2 Touch of Evil (1958) 33,480
121. 8.2 The Wizard of Oz (1939) 105,440
122. 8.2 The General (1926) 20,611
123. 8.2 For a Few Dollars More (1965) 45,987
124. 8.2 Ran (1985) 35,396
125. 8.2 Yôjinbô (1961) 30,079
126. 8.2 The Social Network (2010) 41,258
127. 8.2 District 9 (2009) 159,788
128. 8.2 Avatar (2009) 274,186
129. 8.2 The Sixth Sense (1999) 245,442
130. 8.2 Donnie Darko (2001) 216,315
131. 8.2 Snatch. (2000) 179,193
132. 8.2 Annie Hall (1977) 67,145
133. 8.2 The Deer Hunter (1978) 90,265
134. 8.2 Strangers on a Train (1951) 35,397
135. 8.2 Cool Hand Luke (1967) 46,785
136. 8.2 Witness for the Prosecution (1957) 18,662
137. 8.2 Smultronstället (1957) 22,003
138. 8.2 High Noon (1952) 35,012
139. 8.2 The Big Lebowski (1998) 183,179
140. 8.2 Kill Bill: Vol. 1 (2003) 238,920
141. 8.2 Hotaru no haka (1988) 36,028
142. 8.2 Platoon (1986) 111,408
143. 8.2 It Happened One Night (1934) 25,711
144. 8.2 The Lion King (1994) 142,344
145. 8.2 There Will Be Blood (2007) 135,049
146. 8.2 Into the Wild (2007) 104,377
147. 8.1 Notorious (1946) 32,264
148. 8.1 Million Dollar Baby (2004) 145,903
149. 8.1 Toy Story (1995) 157,476
150. 8.1 Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (1969) 59,058
151. 8.1 The Manchurian Candidate (1962) 35,436
152. 8.1 Gone with the Wind (1939) 81,104
153. 8.1 The Wrestler (2008) 97,409
154. 8.1 Ben-Hur (1959) 60,213
155. 8.1 Trainspotting (1996) 154,565
156. 8.1 Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans (1927) 11,765
157. 8.1 The Big Sleep (1946) 29,719
158. 8.1 Scarface (1983) 156,648
159. 8.1 The Graduate (1967) 80,118
160. 8.1 Groundhog Day (1993) 139,436
161. 8.1 Life of Brian (1979) 96,667
162. 8.1 The Grapes of Wrath (1940) 23,968
163. 8.1 The Bourne Ultimatum (2007) 151,050
164. 8.1 Finding Nemo (2003) 170,706
165. 8.1 Amores perros (2000) 62,790
166. 8.1 The Gold Rush (1925) 21,669
167. 8.1 The Terminator (1984) 184,571
168. 8.1 Stand by Me (1986) 92,587
169. 8.1 How to Train Your Dragon (2010) 42,806
170. 8.1 Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels (1998) 129,865
171. 8.1 The Thing (1982) 81,396
172. 8.1 The Best Years of Our Lives (1946) 17,784
173. 8.1 V for Vendetta (2006) 231,628
174. 8.1 Twelve Monkeys (1995) 174,214
175. 8.1 Casino (1995) 111,870
176. 8.1 Dog Day Afternoon (1975) 61,427
177. 8.1 Ratatouille (2007) 136,777
178. 8.1 The Kid (1921) 14,915
179. 8.1 The Secret in Their Eyes (2009) 21,281
180. 8.1 Gandhi (1982) 52,468
181. 8.1 Star Trek (2009) 139,634
182. 8.1 The Wages of Fear (1953) 14,646
183. 8.1 8½ (1963) 30,598
184. 8.1 Les diaboliques (1955) 15,239
185. 8.1 Ikiru (1952) 16,690
186. 8.1 The Princess Bride (1987) 125,741
187. 8.1 The Night of the Hunter (1955) 26,353
188. 8.0 Judgment at Nuremberg (1961) 14,757
189. 8.0 The Incredibles (2004) 164,225
190. 8.0 Tonari no Totoro (1988) 32,373
191. 8.0 The Hustler (1961) 25,992
192. 8.0 The Killing (1956) 25,407
193. 8.0 In Bruges (2008) 101,893
194. 8.0 The Wild Bunch (1969) 31,912
195. 8.0 Good Will Hunting (1997) 155,364
196. 8.0 The Exorcist (1973) 107,094
197. 8.0 The Diving Bell and the Butterfly (2007) 32,478
198. 8.0 A Streetcar Named Desire (1951) 34,741
199. 8.0 Network (1976) 34,854
200. 8.0 Children of Men (2006) 163,186
201. 8.0 The 400 Blows (1959) 24,699
202. 8.0 La strada (1954) 18,311
203. 8.0 Stalag 17 (1953) 21,256
204. 8.0 Ed Wood (1994) 76,056
205. 8.0 Persona (1966) 16,179
206. 8.0 Dial M for Murder (1954) 31,061
207. 8.0 The Battle of Algiers (1966) 14,429
208. 8.0 Let the Right One In (2008) 61,240
209. 8.0 Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? (1966) 20,426
210. 8.0 Big Fish (2003) 145,055
211. 8.0 Magnolia (1999) 123,981
212. 8.0 Kind Hearts and Coronets (1949) 13,497
213. 8.0 Rocky (1976) 100,797
214. 8.0 All Quiet on the Western Front (1930) 22,085
215. 8.0 Mystic River (2003) 123,198
216. 8.0 The Passion of Joan of Arc (1928) 11,001
217. 8.0 Kick-Ass (2010) 101,317
218. 8.0 Rosemary's Baby (1968) 52,654
219. 8.0 Kill Bill: Vol. 2 (2004) 188,548
220. 8.0 Duck Soup (1933) 27,235
221. 8.0 Barry Lyndon (1975) 40,799
222. 8.0 Manhattan (1979) 39,703
223. 8.0 Patton (1970) 40,434
224. 8.0 Fanny and Alexander (1982) 14,636
225. 8.0 Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 1 (2010) 25,046
226. 8.0 Letters from Iwo Jima (2006) 58,846
227. 8.0 Festen (1998) 27,250
228. 8.0 Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl (2003) 239,614
229. 8.0 Infernal Affairs (2002) 36,793
230. 8.0 Roman Holiday (1953) 32,098
231. 8.0 The Truman Show (1998) 162,050
232. 8.0 In the Mood for Love (2000) 25,706
233. 8.0 Harvey (1950) 23,874
234. 8.0 Mary and Max (2009) 13,211
235. 8.0 Nights of Cabiria (1957) 11,351
236. 8.0 Crash (2004/I) 174,905
237. 8.0 Howl's Moving Castle (2004) 46,613
238. 8.0 His Girl Friday (1940) 21,040
239. 8.0 King Kong (1933) 40,240
240. 8.0 Sleuth (1972) 17,982
241. 8.0 Arsenic and Old Lace (1944) 30,595
242. 8.0 The Philadelphia Story (1940) 28,268
243. 8.0 Three Colours: Red (1994) 24,423
244. 8.0 A Christmas Story (1983) 52,494
245. 8.0 Rope (1948) 32,541
246. 8.0 Monsters, Inc. (2001) 121,021
247. 8.0 Toy Story 2 (1999) 124,647
248. 8.0 Mulholland Dr. (2001) 106,513
249. 8.0 Shadow of a Doubt (1943) 22,129
250. 8.0 The Nightmare Before Christmas (1993) 82,561

i have seen at least 206 and maybe 220ish also alot of the newer films i have downloaded but never bothered watching

[Keane]

Good job whoever recommended Passion Pit, album is pretty tasty so far.

It was me

[Denny Crane]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember it being said before last year's budget that for each EURO taken off the standard rate of social welfare (i.e. €196) the government saves €23m on the year. I don't mean to sniff at €23m mind, but it just underlines that our problems are a lot bigger than the rate of SW. I would have no problem lobbing €20 or €30 off it mind, I'm not on an interest group jerk around here. But it does irk me when you have people going 'cut it to whatever the Brits get and cut them off after 12 months' as their ultimate fix to the country's present difficulties.

The majority of people receiving SW at the current time are genuinely seeking employment, and contributed to PRSI during the boom years. Yes, there is an element of welfare scroungers and cheats in our society - but they were here during 1994 - 2008 and will always be here. If you've ever had to engage with the Social Welfare system before you'll have met who I'm talking about, the guys who just know 100% what's going on, which department provides which payment and which person to go see on which day with which form etc, etc, etc. Those boys will be working whatever system or level of Welfare State you put in place. And it happens everywhere. The mistake is to assume they are bigger in number than they actually are - to tar people engaging honestly with the system with the same brush.

At the end of the day, the total amount spent each year on SW is a fraction of that spent on Public Sector wages. I have said it in here before and I'll say it again - we get shocking value relative to the level PS salaries are pitched at. The real fucking solution here is to go in to every State Department and assess the shit out of what each employee brings to the table on a yearly basis, and cut / hire wages in relation to it. The idea of blanket rises and drops in pay bands or big picture hiring / firing across departments is ludicrous. In the private sector employees don't get to hide away as part of one large mob. The employment picture gets broken down to an individual level - and that is exactly as it should be too.

That's what irritates me about your posts and conversely pleases me about Solk's: it's very fucking easy to go after the more vulnerable party in this thing. We should all be livid with what was announced today, but only because it doesn't dare go near the big White Elephant problem we have in terms of State Expenditure. And all because they do vote, and will strike, and will clog up the city centre if you push them. Unbelievable.

There was a lot more that I wanted to say, but I lost my train of thought. Fuck it.

Dental plan.

[NewApproach]

We are in the EU though!

Leave us in a black hole with regards to future trading and investment. Leave us in a black hole with regards to market confidence in us ever regaining a decent standard of living.

There is no official exit strategy from the Euro currency, and defaulting would leave us with a tough ask to not get kicked out. If we get kicked out of the currency, are we getting turfed out of EU too?

We have enough money to last us until May, what happens after then if we can't borrow from the EU? We pay 11% in the market maybe? Speeding our way to default and re-default.

We can't say that the EU's problems are just the EU's, just as they can't say that Irish problems our just ours!

I tried to explain it to a friend at home who is a film buff, and the best explanation I could get was to compare the EU restarting the Banking system (through Ireland) akin to the scientists restarting the Sun in "Sunshine", with a huge and sudden burst of capital in one, particularly devoid part, that should spread very quickly through the system, and spark confidence and a return to somewhat reasonable standards.

This is the main/only reason I could see them agreeing to take over the banks/bank debt. We do have some bargaining power, but we probably don't have the right (i.e crazy, unpredictable) people in control of it.

A lot of American blogs and economists commenting how ridiculously unfair it is for Irish people to bear the brunt of an EU wide problem...

Thanks, makes a lot more sense to me now!

Few things:

Countries before have defaulted (Russia/Arg etc) and it hasn't really stopped them in the long term. Is there any reason we too can't recover, or would the fact we are a small economy mean we would find it much tougher? Would the bigger countries simply ignore us when trading/lending?

Lets assume for a minute the leaving/getting kicked out of the Euro doesn't mean leaving the EU. On a scale of 1-10 how bad would this be for us? Would having more control over monetary policy be outweighed by the potential loss of value punt nua would have against the €? Also raises the question, would we even get full control back of our monetary policy, if the IMF still have an interest in us through the bailout loans?

[Hegzy]

Advice almight BBV.

Year or so ago i got a contract in my name but for a friend while in college. Now all was fine until recently when i started getting letters saying he was overdue, non-payment etc etc.
I text said friend and informed him of this, he said he tried to transfer the bank details over to his mum and it wouldnt work. Now i told him how to change and such things and he never replied. Next months bill came and again was overdue, i again text him saying this and how much and what to do, but no reply. Now this months bill is £235 and change. And i done the same as previous months and text but no reply. And about 45 minutes ago i got a call from CSL debt collectors saying they are working on behlaf of O2 and i now owe said amount and i need to pay it today. I explained i cant and what the situation was etc to be told not his problem, my name is on the account so i have to pay etc. And was quite rude in saying so. Also added that it has already affected my credit rating altho this is the first phone call i have received from them?
So basically, the cnut is ignoring me and im stuck with a £235 bill that i wont be paying.
Any advice or what will happen if i refuse to pay it?

[Emmet]

Thanks, makes a lot more sense to me now!

Few things:

Countries before have defaulted (Russia/Arg etc) and it hasn't really stopped them in the long term. Is there any reason we too can't recover, or would the fact we are a small economy mean we would find it much tougher? Would the bigger countries simply ignore us when trading/lending?

A lot of the methods used to default and recover are based wholly on devaluing your currency. For instance, if we defaulted and owed 400bn, we make a new currency, with EXR of 1:2 or whatever, and print enough until the debts are paid off. (That's a fairly coarse explanation).

This brings with it a lot of problems in the short term though, recall Argentina limiting withdrawals for instance.

I wouldn't be best versed to go through the ins and outs of defaulting, as haven't studied MacroEconomics in quite a while!

Lets assume for a minute the leaving/getting kicked out of the Euro doesn't mean leaving the EU. On a scale of 1-10 how bad would this be for us? Would having more control over monetary policy be outweighed by the potential loss of value punt nua would have against the €? Also raises the question, would we even get full control back of our monetary policy, if the IMF still have an interest in us through the bailout loans?

No longer having the Euro obligation but still being part of the EU would be huge for us I think, basically we would regain the tool that is most effective in "these recessionary times" which would be monetary policy. A mixture of tough budgets and a good control over our money system could well speed up a recovery.

Potential loss of value vs the € is unbounded imo, it wouldn't be unforeseeable that our currency is deemed worthless outside of the country. It would be devastating if it was, as would severely impact FDI in the country, but it wouldn't be beyond belief that the markets would "punish" the currency.

RE: the IMF and monetary policy, again I would not know too well. The IMF in Brazil is probably the most poignant case study if you wanted to read up on it. However, they had control over a lot of things we don't.

Essentially, we're playing the same game, but this time the rules have changed sufficiently so that everyone's working off some elements of guesswork.

[Zuroph]

ok ok, i see your raise, but i'm all in, find a bad pic of this girl and you win

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not saying I wouldnt like,but jesus shes almost unrecognisable.

[Strewelpeter]

That Imdb list has gone to shite just another little confirmation of how moronic people are. Citizen Kane somewhere down the list and unforgivably behind the direst movie ever made, Forrest Gump

The only ones I haven't seen are and the ones in red are in my queue , some for a very long time, I'm actually shocked I still haven't watched Ed Wood!

20. Toy Story 3 (2010) 8.7/10
62. Requiem for a Dream (2000) 8.4/10
87. The Green Mile (1999) 8.3/10
119. The Social Network (2010) 8.2/10
141. Grave of the Fireflies (1988) 8.2/10
145. Into the Wild (2007) 8.2/10
152. Gone with the Wind (1939) 8.1/10
156. Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans (1927) 8.1/10
165. Amores Perros (2000) 8.1/10
171. How to Train Your Dragon (2010) 8.1/10
176. Ratatouille (2007) 8.1/10
180. The Secret in Their Eyes (2009) 8.1/10
184. Les diaboliques (1955) 8.1/10
186. The Princess Bride (1987) 8.1/10
191. My Neighbour Totoro (1988) 8/10
195. Good Will Hunting (1997) 8/10
204. Ed Wood (1994) 8/10
207. Let the Right One In (2008) 8/10
208. The Battle of Algiers (1966) 8/10
225. Letters from Iwo Jima (2006) 8/10
226. Festen (1998) 8/10
228. In the Mood for Love (2000) 8/10
236. Mary and Max (2009) 8/10
242. A Christmas Story (1983) 8/10
246. Mulholland Drive (2001) 8/10
247. My Sassy Girl (2001) 8/10

[Emmet]

Advice almight BBV.

Year or so ago i got a contract in my name but for a friend while in college. Now all was fine until recently when i started getting letters saying he was overdue, non-payment etc etc.
I text said friend and informed him of this, he said he tried to transfer the bank details over to his mum and it wouldnt work. Now i told him how to change and such things and he never replied. Next months bill came and again was overdue, i again text him saying this and how much and what to do, but no reply. Now this months bill is £235 and change. And i done the same as previous months and text but no reply. And about 45 minutes ago i got a call from CSL debt collectors saying they are working on behlaf of O2 and i now owe said amount and i need to pay it today. I explained i cant and what the situation was etc to be told not his problem, my name is on the account so i have to pay etc. And was quite rude in saying so. Also added that it has already affected my credit rating altho this is the first phone call i have received from them?
So basically, the cnut is ignoring me and im stuck with a £235 bill that i wont be paying.
Any advice or what will happen if i refuse to pay it?

Shite situation.

You've to pay, and recoup the loss from your "friend". Really don't have any other option.
edit - basing this on the fact that the contract is in your name

[Zuroph]

Advice almight BBV.

Year or so ago i got a contract in my name but for a friend while in college. Now all was fine until recently when i started getting letters saying he was overdue, non-payment etc etc.
I text said friend and informed him of this, he said he tried to transfer the bank details over to his mum and it wouldnt work. Now i told him how to change and such things and he never replied. Next months bill came and again was overdue, i again text him saying this and how much and what to do, but no reply. Now this months bill is £235 and change. And i done the same as previous months and text but no reply. And about 45 minutes ago i got a call from CSL debt collectors saying they are working on behlaf of O2 and i now owe said amount and i need to pay it today. I explained i cant and what the situation was etc to be told not his problem, my name is on the account so i have to pay etc. And was quite rude in saying so. Also added that it has already affected my credit rating altho this is the first phone call i have received from them?
So basically, the cnut is ignoring me and im stuck with a £235 bill that i wont be paying.
Any advice or what will happen if i refuse to pay it?

is the account closed? ignore the debt collectors for now, they'll just try play hard ball for a bit. they'll have bigger fish to fry.

[Emmet]

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not saying I wouldnt like,but jesus shes almost unrecognisable.

Love the name of the magazine in the second one there....

You got a subscription?

[Hegzy]

Shite situation.

You've to pay, and recoup the loss from your "friend". Really don't have any other option.

Aye well there will be something done about it if he keeps ignoring me. Just needa find out were he lives. Bit of a scummy thing to do really, he has my number he could have said something.

[Hegzy]

is the account closed? ignore the debt collectors for now, they'll just try play hard ball for a bit. they'll have bigger fish to fry.

I got a letter saying it was terminated. But that was a month ago or so.
How long can you ignore them before it gets taken to a different level?

[Keane]

That Imdb list has gone to shite just another little confirmation of how moronic people are. Citizen Kane somewhere down the list and unforgivably behind the direst movie ever made, Forrest Gump

The only ones I haven't seen are and the ones in red are in my queue , some for a very long time, I'm actually shocked I still haven't watched Ed Wood!

There should be a certain length of time a movie has to rated over before it's added to the list to avoid fanboy votes getting something like Toy Story 3 as high as #20 imo.

[Strewelpeter]

I got a letter saying it was terminated. But that was a month ago or so.
How long can you ignore them before it gets taken to a different level?

Pay up, look happy, lesson learned IMO

[Keane]

I got a letter saying it was terminated. But that was a month ago or so.
How long can you ignore them before it gets taken to a different level?

I'm living in an apartment that must have had some eastern europeans living here before us.

They've been getting increasingly threatening debt collector letters in the post all the time I've been living here (almost a year - I read them for the lols), and they've yet to get to the call to the door level, so I wouldn't be particularly worried.

[BlindLimper]

Oh my fuckin god i just got fuckin slowrolled by Xbox support.

Make the call to customer support cause the xbox has the 3 red lights of death on it and the warrenty is extended to three years for this particular issue. The girl on the phone says that its still covered under the warrenty and that the repair will be free. I say great, then she says that she just has to double check that and comes back and says yes its definately covered. She takes all my details and organises the shipping labels and addresses etc. Then she says that it will take her a couple of minutes to finish the order and she puts me on hold untill she will have the confirmation number.

Then she comes back and says "I'm really sorry but it looks like your console is actually out of warrenty. There must have been a glitch in the system." Jesus i could have killed a penguin!! Fuckin slow rolling bitch. 15 minutes on the phone to be told that shite then she asked if i want it repaired for £91.

/rant

[NewApproach]

Oh my fuckin god i just got fuckin slowrolled by Xbox support.

Make the call to customer support cause the xbox has the 3 red lights of death on it and the warrenty is extended to three years for this particular issue. The girl on the phone says that its still covered under the warrenty and that the repair will be free. I say great, then she says that she just has to double check that and comes back and says yes its definately covered. She takes all my details and organises the shipping labels and addresses etc. Then she says that it will take her a couple of minutes to finish the order and she puts me on hold untill she will have the confirmation number.

Then she comes back and says "I'm really sorry but it looks like your console is actually out of warrenty. There must have been a glitch in the system." Jesus i could have killed a penguin!! Fuckin slow rolling bitch. 15 minutes on the phone to be told that shite then she asked if i want it repaired for £91.

/rant

PM Moneymaker, he works there I think. Might be able to help you out.

[Iago]

I got a letter saying it was terminated. But that was a month ago or so.
How long can you ignore them before it gets taken to a different level?

If it's already gone to a credit agency then your credit has been affected.

If it was me, I'd pay it and take it as a cheap lesson learned. At the same time I'd hunt down the so called "mate" and get it back from him. Although again it would be a relatively cheap way of finding out that someone's a prick and not worth your time.

[bantee]

Ship the new job today

Starting next Monday morning and after 13 months outta work, I'll be fairly rusty getting back into it (too much Playstation, boozing and pokerz this year ).

Delighted TBH and traded the Golf for a diesel Passat today too.

Edit: as Danny suggested there should really be a gratuitous boob pic too

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[Hegzy]

I'm living in an apartment that must have had some eastern europeans living here before us.

They've been getting increasingly threatening debt collector letters in the post all the time I've been living here (almost a year - I read them for the lols), and they've yet to get to the call to the door level, so I wouldn't be particularly worried.

Ah yeah ive dealth with debt companies before, they just phone the house constantly, which is annoying.

[Iago]

Ship the new job today

Starting next Monday morning and after 13 months outta work, I'll be fairly rusty getting back into it (too much Playstation, boozing and pokerz this year ).

Delighted TBH and traded the Golf for a diesel Passat today too.

congratulations!!

[Strewelpeter]

Ship the new job today

Starting next Monday morning and after 13 months outta work, I'll be fairly rusty getting back into it (too much Playstation, boozing and pokerz this year ).

Delighted TBH and traded the Golf for a diesel Passat today too.

Congratulations. A welcome bit of good news.

[Ace]

Ship the new job today

Starting next Monday morning and after 13 months outta work, I'll be fairly rusty getting back into it (too much Playstation, boozing and pokerz this year ).

Delighted TBH and traded the Golf for a diesel Passat today too.

well done, worse thing is going to be getting up @ 7am for work on these cold and bitter mornings