Bad beat/Moan/Venting Thread - BBV Archive 1

[ComradeCollie]

Alrite thanks, Do you know where i could get a list from or is it even out yet??

The ruling covers approximately 110 pubs in the city, an area stretching from the surrounding suburbs of Raheen, Castletroy, Corbally and Dooradoyle.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0325/breaking36.html?via=mr

[mdoug]

Real Madrid on fire, 3-0 up on Getafe after only 20 minutes or so.

4-1... nice score with your >4 goals sir

[eagle eye]

4-1... nice score with your >4 goals sir

Yep easy money, was on over 5 as well and went on over 6 at 3-0.

[Percy007]

Real Madrid on fire, 3-0 up on Getafe after only 20 minutes or so.

Does Huigan get a game for Argentina? Gotta be a live outsider for topscorer at the World Cup if he is a regular.

[Sledgejammer]

He wasn't for ages, he's first choice now, though.

Casillias is having an awful season. Reina and Valdes have both been far superior this season.

[eagle eye]

Does Huigan get a game for Argentina? Gotta be a live outsider for topscorer at the World Cup if he is a regular.

I'm honestly starting to think they are going to win it. I think Maradona will see the error of his ways after just scraping through and listen to some good advice. To have Higuan and Messi alone is just unreal and there are so many others.

[eagle eye]

He wasn't for ages, he's first choice now, though.

Casillias is having an awful season. Reina and Valdes have both been far superior this season.

How are you judging that? Reina is a great shot stopper but he is not great with crosses.

Valdes is hard to judge as he doesn't see nearly enough action but I do think he has maybe been underrated over the last couple of seasons.

[Sledgejammer]

Valdes has improved dramatically over the last few years, for a man with a reputation for the big mistake he's really cut that out of his game.

Casillas has on the other hand made a remarkable amount of errors this season for a man of his consistency. He's made two big gaffs already in this game and it's been a pretty poor season by his standards.

Reina has seemed quite consistent and solid this season for me...Not saying I'd drop Iker for Spain, but on form this season I'd say he's been the third possibly fourth best Spanish keeper (Haven't seen enough of Diego Lopez though he always seems very good when I do see him)

[eagle eye]

Valdes has improved dramatically over the last few years, for a man with a reputation for the big mistake he's really cut that out of his game.

Casillas has on the other hand made a remarkable amount of errors this season for a man of his consistency. He's made two big gaffs already in this game and it's been a pretty poor season by his standards.

But the problem is he is seeing far too much action, I think every keeper will make a lot of gaffs if they have a defense like that. Those mistakes stem from uncertainty a lot of the time.

Just look at Friedel, he was never rated as highly at Blackburn as he is now and thats because he has been behind a much better defense for the last two seasons. I'm not saying he was not highly thought of while at Blackburn but now its like he is in the conversation for best in the Premier League.

[TommyGunne]

There is either some epic logic fails in the WW thread, some epic misdirection, or some epic levelling. Probably a bit of everything though!

[Sledgejammer]

Real have defended far worse than this in previous seasons and he's usually single handedly kept them alive, it's not that, he's definitely way down on his usual performances this season. He's made incredibly basic errors that I've not seen him make before with such consistency. The AC Milan match this year was a classic example.

[Ace]

last is best imo...

[hotspur]

Will have a look at that link, thanks. I'm looking at survey data (and in specific this survey: http://www.lissdata.nl/dataarchive/ ) which has a range of variables on personal values (e.g. religiousity, trust etc) and comparing these values to their household financial decisions - which are also reported in the survey. Trying to find where cultural values are related to how people make financial decisions.

The problem is that all my training has been on time series data and not even sure where to start with finding relationships in survey data consisting mainly of categorical (e.g. Likert) responses. TBH initial analysis of data just consisted of Chi-square independence tests, which is quite basic.

And what does your dependent variable data look like? That is, what measurements have you of household financial decisions, are they categorical, have you amalgamated various financial decisions into a metric of overall financial decisions like "prudent" "normal" "butsoville retardness" etc.?

There is nothing inherently wrong with chi square tests for analysing individual demographic/behavioural/attitudinal effects on specific or overall financial decisions. Though you will have to make a judgement call on where you stand in relation to the issue of independence of chi-square test when you are doing many of them i.e. the issue of the more you do the more likely that some of your results will be due to chance.

If you want to model what the combination of factors is which significantly contribute to types of household financial decision then you are going to be doing regression analyses. If all your independent and dependent variables are categorical then you will be looking at ordinal multinomial (or binary depending on number of dependent categories) logistic regression analysis which is not child's play and even some specialised books on logistic regression analysis may not cut it for you.

Ultimately you will be trying to construct a model containing LISS independent variables which explain as much of the variance in the dependent financial decision behaviour as possible while still being a parsimonious model (i.e. you wouldn't bother including a variable which had little additivity to a model with less variables).

You will be looking at Nagelkerke R square as the ultimate assessment of what percentage of the variance your model of contributing variables account for.

I know it's very early to be concerned with it but you will also have to test for multicollinearity, the last version of SPSS I used (13 I think) didn't have that functionality as such. There are also various methods of entering the variables into a regression analysis such as enter, stepwise forward, stepwise backward which will produce different results.

Another very important point in these regression analyses is the choice of reference categories within any of the independent variables. I haven't looked at any of the LISS data so I don't know how intuitive the reference categories will be, but it's not rocket science generally to pick the most "normal" category and measure the effects of deviations from it on the dependent variable.

You will have important stats such as regression coefficients, Wald, odds ratios...Actually none of what I'm saying is probably very helpful at such an early point.

My net just came back (cutting out last 2 days) so had a quick look at the LISS site, I can't seem to access any completed studies. I'm assuming that others have amalgamated data under certain headings into single metrics which you can yoink.

Don't you have some manner of assistant researcher monkey who can do such secondary analysis for you? What's the world coming to when academics of your stature have to fire up SPSS themselves.

Strike imo.

[Zuroph]

Next game can we rename Werewolf to Cork People vs Sharks.
All the pointing of fingers, blaming each other, super secret alliances, shouting, suspicion, anger, it all seems a bit familiar. Then at night, some shark sneaks in and makes off with one of their bad beat jackpots.

[Lord Sir Banter]

I also love leaving a decent rollover alone then when its not won i sccoff at those thousands of people who did it but i do it next time in a self satisfied way as if 800,000 is added. I love getting one over them like that.

Pleps, it's like free money really.
Nice read.

[coillcam]

lol at the rate of posting dropping here as the werewolves thread hogs the limelight.

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[Rufio]

Quick Q BBV. I have two chicken fillets, use by date is today, If I cook them now are they alright to eat tomorrow?

[dannydiamond]

John Gormley's coming to my sons school tomorrow to present the school with a 'green flag'.
I'm going to be doing my easter bunny duties for the egg hunt and the end of term shenanigans with the kids.

There's a protest organised over the weekend to target the greens shindig in Waterford over the their stance on the whole coursing/hunting thing.
There's a big window open for some fun if anyone wants to come along dressed up as a greyhound.

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[dannydiamond]

Quick Q BBV. I have two chicken fillets, use by date is today, If I cook them now are they alright to eat tomorrow?

Yeah, I often do this, should be fine.

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[ShipIt]

Does Huigan get a game for Argentina? Gotta be a live outsider for topscorer at the World Cup if he is a regular.

Ye him and Torres are by far the best finishers in world football. Their stats for goals/chances are scary.

[Lazare]

It's so tilting not being able to comment on the WW game.

So much I want to say. AAArrrrghh

[KevIRL]

http://www.wired.co.uk/wired-magazine/archive/2010/03/features/werewolf.aspx?page=all

O'Reilly Media is the biggest name in tech publishing, and the men gathered round its boardroom table this July morning in 2008 are typical of the mavens who frequent its Sebastopol, California, HQ. Here is Brian Fitzpatrick, head of engineering at Google Chicago; Rich Gibson, an O'Reilly author and member of the GigaPan panoramic camera project; and Jimmy Wales, the founder of Wikipedia. Just another networking day in Silicon Valley, then.

Except the workday doesn't begin for hours -- it's 6am, and no one has slept. Fitzpatrick Segwayed into the room three hours ago, and hasn't left. Tempers have frayed, and language has descended into the gutter. Wales is making wild accusations. Fitzpatrick is begging and pleading. Gibson, overwhelmed by the pressure, lets out a scream and starts pelting the others with pretzels. No one is drunk or under any narcotic influence, and yet all three men are moments away from what Fitzpatrick will later describe as "a mindfuck". A year on, Gibson concurs. "It left me with the sense that one of my basic anchors on reality had been ripped loose," he recalls. Wales still talks about the all-nighter with reverent awe:"It was amazing. It was a work of art. It was a thing of beauty."

It was, more specifically, a parlour game.

Werewolf is a game of deception and manipulation. It has infected almost every significant tech event around the world, from the informal Foo Camp conferences run by O'Reilly to the music, film and interactive-media crossover of South By Southwest (SXSW). During lunch at San Francisco's giant Game Developers Conference, or in the bars after closing at ETech, games of Werewolf break out spontaneously. Its core premise is simple -- a room is split between villagers and werewolves, and the former aren't aware who are their enemies, determined to eat them. Can the werewolves eat their prey before the villagers identify and lynch the werewolves?

In practice -- perhaps unsurprisingly, given the kind of people playing -- the games played at tech events are rarely that simple. Groups splinter off according to arcane variations -- someone wants to play with the Slut and the Invalid, someone else with the Vigilante and the Veterinarian, someone else with all four. Rules agreed, the splinter groups reform, spectators gather, and the games begin. And it may be hours before they stop. Although in principle a round of Werewolf can take as little as 30 minutes, epic rounds last for hours - and one round is rarely enough. The next morning, appropriately, you can spot the werewolves by the red rings round their eyes.

Wales, Fitzpatrick, Gibson and their moderator were the last players standing after an all-night Werewolf session that had lured in almost a third of 2008's Foo Camp. Three players remaining meant only one thing: two villagers, one werewolf. It meant the players who knew they were villagers faced a simple challenge: which of the others was the enemy? And yet the argument had raged for hours. "I was sure of only three things," Wales remembers. "One, I was not a werewolf. Two, one of these bastards was an amazing liar. And three, the other guy was a total moron. I just couldn't figure out which was which."

Werewolf is quick and easy to set up, and the basic rules take no more than a minute to explain. It has infected every outpost of the tech community. More than any smart party, it's the most exclusive and productive way to spend an evening at a conference or expo. It's your best bet of finding the most interesting people and of emerging the next morning with a couple of intriguing job offers. Rather than spend a fortune on funky business cards or hours memorising people's blog posts, the most effective way to connect in the tech industry may instead be to kill and eat them.

You might expect to find Werewolf's roots in a 70s tabletop role-playing game or an old, obscure multi-user dungeon. What you find instead is a tale of literary privilege, Soviet idealism and secret nuclear disasters. It draws on parlour games such as Murder in the Dark and Wink Murder -- games that, though entertaining enough, no longer captivate a modern audience. To turn dinner-party murder into a geek staple would take the work of two men-- one Russian, one American -- who decades later have yet to meet.

In 1987, the USSR was starting to change. Mikhail Gorbachev was introducing the perestroika reforms which would ultimately lead to the end of the Cold War. The first treaty between the USSR and the US limiting the proliferation of nuclear weapons was signed. Billy Joel played Leningrad and over-excited fans danced so hard they broke 200 seats. And at Moscow State University a young psychology student, Dimitry Davidoff, was trying to cram two years of college into one while teaching high-school students interested in his subject. It was a timetable that demanded total efficiency, so Davidoff needed to find a way to make the research that he was doing for his term papers palatable to a young audience. The result wasn't (yet) Werewolf; it was a game called Mafia.

Mafia is the game that forms the core element of Werewolf. Davidoff explains it succinctly as "the uninformed majority versus the informed minority". The basic structure of day phases and night phases, killings and lynchings, is the same but with one main difference. Instead of the killers being given a window of opportunity to co-ordinate their killing -- at night, when their eyes are open and those of the innocent closed -- they need surreptitiously to agree a victim during the opening phase of discussion, when all players are engaged in debate. During the night phase, players then write down the name of a proposed victim. Innocent players write "Innocent"; Mafia members write down the name of a victim. Only when all the Mafiosi agree on a name do they make a successful kill.

It's a game that is almost entirely about careful wording and hidden subtexts. Wired learns to remember this when attempting to interview its creator. Davidoff -- intelligent and cheery -- delights, perhaps unsurprisingly, in playing conversational games. His first gambit is to refuse to talk to us at all, eschewing phone, email or even instant messaging.

So our first interview takes place inside the virtual sphere of World of Warcraft, where Davidoff's dwarf hunter character comes to escort our feeble level-one mage through the start of the game. He's friendly, but it gradually becomes apparent that the lulls and disconnects in the conversation are not caused purely by unruly mob attacks. The simplest question ("Have you always liked games?") is met with a dodge ("Should I answer that?"), before he relents and parts with an affirmative. Efforts to elucidate his current life -- beyond the fact that he moved to the US in 1991 and lives in Boston -- are met with disapproval. "Ah, those standard follow-up questions. I hope you skip them in print." Apologies for being so inevitable are met with a sharp retort. "Not really," he shoots back. "There is nothing inevitable. Big point!" The silence that follows drags on for a full minute. "Look at it this way," he suggests, "now you are kind of playing Mafia against me."

And so it goes on. Ask about Davidoff's childhood, and the only detail he parts with readily is his Rubik's Cube record (around 21 seconds). Even his age requires some prising: ask him how old he is and he says, "In World of Warcraft I would say, 'I am level 11,' and be done with that, but all these real-life connotations make it a strange question." Then he quickly adds -- still without answering the question -- "It's not that I am hiding my age." When pressed for the real number, he still can't resist a jibe. "Well, the real number I'd have to think of, but I know the year of my birth -- 1967. Knowing's not good, though, 'cause it doesn't help you to solve who is Mafia." Even the most general questions --"What were your happiest times as a child?" -- result in a cryptic sidestep: "Nah, I can't answer that. I know too much about memory, happiness and children."

It seems simpler, then, to seek a sense of Davidoff 's life through the emblematic moments of recent Soviet history which bookend it. He was born in Kamensk-Uralsky, an unremarkable, mid-sized town towards the centre of the current border with Kazakhstan. It's a spot less than 150km from the site of the 1957 Kyshtym nuclear disaster -- a blast second only in size to that at Chernobyl -- which killed hundreds and was hushed up by Soviet officials until 1989. The Chernobyl explosion occurred in 1986, while Davidoff was starting the work which would produce Mafia, and Gorbachev was busy trying to block the US Star Wars space weapons programme. And in 1991, just months after the fall of the Iron Curtain, Davidoff made the move to the US -- a country he now calls, with tongue deep in cheek, "the perfect Soviet Union".

Mafia first spread among the children and students whom Davidoff taught to play, but once out in the wild it propagated fast -- far beyond Russia's still-closed borders and across the world. Russian students who had gone abroad for postgraduate work took it with them, embedding it into the clubs and groups they joined. A set of Hungarian Mensa members so loved the game that they set up a special interest group to teach it to other Mensans around the world. Questors, a west London community theatre, integrated Mafia into its improvisation practices in the late 80s; by 1989, it had reached the US, where the children at a Pennsylvania summer camp taught each other the rules by torchlight.

Having infected the student population, Mafia travelled where they travelled. Fred Deakin, one half of the band Lemon Jelly and now head of the Airside design agency, recalls teaching dozens of other travellers as he backpacked around south-east Asia in the late 80s. "I was the most popular guy in Thailand just because, at every hostel I went into, I sat down after a couple of beers and said, 'Does anyone want to play this game?' And people would flock like moths around a flame. It was incredible." Once Mafia reached the Far East, it found the perfect breeding ground in China's late-night clubs. Zachary Mexico, in his book China Underground, details how Mafia addicts now play all night, fuelled by Red Bull and cigarettes. These aren't amiable afterdinner diversions, but commercialised Mafia dens, with electronic scoreboards, pretty young hostesses and techno music blaring out to cover up any movements during the "night" phase of the game.

So why did Mafia spread so fast? Arguably because it answers one of life's most fundamental questions. At its heart, perhaps inevitably for a game created by a psychology student who came of age under a regime that hushed up a massive nuclear disaster for more than 30 years, is the question of whether knowledge is power. The only advantage the killers have is knowledge: they know each others' identities. With that, they split the world into the empowered minority and the vulnerable majority. Balancing that dynamic is another strength: Mafia's resonance with some of the worst, but most universal, traits of human society. Every culture has had its witch-hunts and pogroms, and anxiety about being caught on the wrong side of persecution is a fear that crosses borders, languages and eras. Mafia, in its abstract, trivial way, lets us play with those fears. That could have been the end of the story. But in 1997, things changed, when Mafia arrived in New Jersey, where one Martin Eiger was running gaming parties. A friend came along and taught the crowd Mafia. It was a hit, so when Eiger attended the National Puzzlers' League convention later that year, he decided to teach a group of players. It proved just as big a hit; games ran late into the night.

Among the group that night was Andrew Plotkin, a legend among interactive-fiction writers. He still remembers his less-than stellar debut: "I cheerfully announced that I was Mafia, because I didn't know what I was trying to do. I think that ended poorly." Defeat didn't matter: he was hooked. "I was fascinated with the game design. I had never seen a game with such a pure strategic underpinning -- no mechanics to be strategic about. It was what poker would be if you didn't play with a deck of cards, but bet solely on other people's bets. It shouldn't have worked, but it did." He made his first contribution to changing Mafia forever: he introduced it to a new gizmo he was very enthusiastic about: the World Wide Web.

What catapulted Mafia's popularity was Plotkin's second contribution: werewolves. "I thought the rules were brilliant, but the theme felt arbitrary. Mafia aren't that big a cultural reference. I wanted to find a theme that fit hidden enemies who look normal during the day, but are murderous at night. Werewolves were the obvious choice."

If you want to play Werewolf well, you have to draw on a wide skill-set. First comes memory. It's not always easy -- particularly at 2am -- to remember who accused whom and how everyone voted, but this is crucial for spotting patterns. And you need meticulous observational skills; note someone drumming their fingers or fiddling with their collar, and you have the "evidence" to back up whatever theory you're selling. Then there are concrete observational cues -- who's making eye contact with whom? Has somebody slipped up by saying a werewolf has been lynched, when only a fellow werewolf could know that?

Statistics also play a part. Werewolf is ripe for back-of-the-envelope calculations about the odds, say, of someone correctly identifying werewolves in consecutive rounds without being a werewolf himself. But as the game goes on and the pool of players shrinks, it becomes a very different proposition. At this point an acute memory, an eye for detail and a knack for numbers are only a foundation.

End-game Werewolf is about flair and imagination; oratory; force of personality; performance. For self-confessed geeks, this is often quite a leap; these interpersonal skills are not necessarily those most visible at the kind of events where Werewolf flourishes. But it's not a paradox for Frank Lantz, Werewolf fan and half the team behind New York games company Area/Code. "I am shocked, shocked!, by your implication that technically minded people might, on average, be lacking in the social-skills department," he says. "But assuming for a second that we are, it makes perfect sense that we'd enjoy a game like this. It sanctions a lot of titillating social behaviour -- flirtation, confrontation, betrayal. Even the way it condones bold eye contact and the frank scrutiny of others' behaviour is hot, specially if you don't get a lot of those things in your regular social diet."

It's this, then, that may explain the particular appeal of Werewolf to the tech crowd. This mix of hard computational skills and a real test of interpersonal aptitude offers the ultimate full-spectrum battlefield. Strength in one field can make up for weaknesses in others, but a masterful player needs both. And that's another paradox: if you impress your peers (and in a conference environment that probably means potential clients and employers) with your aptitude for the game, you're also impressing them with your aptitude for lying, for leading witch-hunts, for distrusting your friends.

But this doesn't mean that the best liar is the best player. Simon Moore, a psychologist at London Metropolitan University who specialises in gaming, is quick to quash the idea that some people are better at spotting liars than others. "If you ask someone on the street, are they better at detecting a liar than a police officer, they'll probably say no. But a police officer and a 'general' person both have a 50 per cent success rate." And how well we lie depends on circumstance: "When you've more to lose, you're more stressed about lying, and that makes it easier to detect." Werewolf is a game which asks you to tell lies in some of the hardest circumstances. Falsehoods -- such as proclaiming you're a villager when you're a werewolf -- take a much greater toll than lies of exaggeration, which are notoriously hard to detect.

"A lie, as opposed to an exaggeration, will cause a greater physiological response -- so your heart-rate, your blood pressure, your breathing will all increase more if you're lying than just exaggerating," says Moore. The other great challenge is sustaining what he calls "emotional" lies. "If you're trying to feign shock or anger, it's much harder to do over a long period. People accused of something they're trying to hide will start out feigning outrage -- 'How dare you ask me that?' But that will start to change to objection rather than shock, as it's psychologically very difficult to mimic emotion. So emotion turns into aggression, as that is one of the easiest things to fake."

The other key circumstantial difference -- and how Davidoff would enjoy this -- is knowledge. We're all equally bad at spotting lies by strangers, all better at spotting lies by people we know. The more you play, especially with the same people, the better you get at spotting their lies. You may think this is a flaw, but Davidoff is way ahead of you -- it's part of the plan. Good players learn to lie well, but also to get better at spotting others' lies. At this level the game stops being about memory or strategy, and gets deeper: how you play and the choices you make aren't reflective of the rules, but of your own preoccupations. For Davidoff, this is why (contrary to what most players think) his game isn't about lying. Odds are you'll play a villager much more often than a killer. And he swears that as a villager, your best strategy is to be honest. More confusingly, he swears that this is also the best strategy for those playing werewolves/ Mafia. Asked to elaborate, he responds with classic obliqueness:" Past connections will always lose to future collaborations."

So can he tell if people will be good at Werewolf or Mafia? "No one can. Mafia could be a test for a bunch of psychological theories, because there are almost none which could help you win. It's about freedom; it's hard to predict who will win. So people don't have the advantages of the past: education, knowledge, rules, experience."

It's a lofty sentiment, although when you walk into a roomful of people playing, it rarely looks as if something lofty is going on. In the O'Reilly board room that fateful morning, what you'd have seen was three senior tech leaders throwing crisps at each other, all outraged at being accused. It was either a virtuoso display of the hardest kind of lying -- extended, emotional falsehood -- or something more peculiar.

Something peculiar was happening. What the players didn't know was that they'd stopped playing the game, and it had started playing them. Their moderator was games designer Jane McGonigal, and she had stripped the last of the fiction from the game: "We'd exhausted all the modifications," she says. So she dealt a pack that contained only villager cards.

As the game progressed, Fitzpatrick was oblivious. "It seemed it was going pretty well -- like any game when you're a villager. I was convinced Jimmy [Wales] was the werewolf as he was quieter than Rich [Gibson], so I was saying, 'It's Jimmy, I really think we can win this.'" Wales was equally oblivious: "I had absolutely no clue something funny was happening." Gibson was feeling the pressure of the casting vote: "I felt this sense of 'Schrödinger's werewolf', looking first at one and then the other, back and forth. Then I started throwing things. I don't know what I was thinking. It was awesome!"

In the end, the axe fell on Fitzpatrick, and he erupted. "I was so bummed out! I threw my card down and said, 'I'm a fucking villager,' and Rick said, 'What do you mean? I'm a villager.' So I say, 'I told you it was Jimmy,' and we turn to Jimmy and he's just looking at us, and he says, 'What the fuck? I'm a villager!' And then we looked over at Jane who's sitting there with this big grin on her face, and I'm like... there are no words to describe it. It was a mindfuck. I was completely screwed in the head."

So Werewolf has come full circle. What started life as a psychology experiment has once again become a psychology experiment; an exercise in role-play which has more in common with the Stanford prison experiment than Dungeons & Dragons. What Werewolf has to offer is a perfect marriage of statistics and psychology, of mob rule and democracy, reason and emotion. Is it any wonder it's taking over the world?

How to play

Assemble a group of seven or more players, and choose a moderator. The moderator deals cards which designate each player as either a villager or a werewolf. Players do not reveal their cards until the game is over. For groups of seven up, you will need two werewolves; more than 12, three.

The game plays out over a period of "night" and "day" phases, controlled by the moderator. During the "night", all players shut their eyes. The moderator calls on any werewolves present to open their eyes and, using gestures and hand signals, they silently nominate a victim. When "night" ends, all players open their eyes and the moderator announces who has died. This player leaves the game and must not make any further comments, and especially not reveal whether he was a villager or a werewolf.

During the "day", which lasts around 15 minutes, there is nothing to distinguish werewolves from villagers, so players debate between themselves and agree on a person to lynch, in the hope of killing a werewolf. This player then leaves the game and must not make any further comments. The cycle is repeated until either all the werewolves are dead (a villager victory), or the werewolves are equal in number to the remaining villagers (a werewolf victory). The moderator announces the result, and players are then free to reveal their cards.

[Sledgejammer]

Ye him and Torres are by far the best finishers in world football. Their stats for goals/chances are scary.

Villa is better than them both

[Lazare]

Quick Q BBV. I have two chicken fillets, use by date is today, If I cook them now are they alright to eat tomorrow?

They'll be alright to cook tomorrow too.

Use by dates are generally very conservative, although less so with poultry, but one day over won't have you plastering the jacks.


edit, HH told you first if you puke

[Ryanzo]

werewolf thread looks great craic

[AdMMM]

John Gormley's coming to my sons school tomorrow to present the school with a 'green flag'.
I'm going to be doing my easter bunny duties for the egg hunt and the end of term shenanigans with the kids.

There's a protest organised over the weekend to target the greens shindig in Waterford over the their stance on the whole coursing/hunting thing.
There's a big window open for some fun if anyone wants to come along dressed up as a greyhound.

Please, please don't riot my hotel! I'll be up to my eyeballs as it is!

[Ace]

joan burton annoys me so much...

[dannydiamond]

Please, please don't riot my hotel! I'll be up to my eyeballs as it is!

lol, you work in the Tower don't you Adam?

God i've nothing to do with this lot, I was just reading about it today.
Should be a bit of craic for you though, apparantly there's a stage going up outside the Tower on Saturday for speeches, music, the works.
I might actually take a spin into town for the laugh.Perhaps I could hang onto the bunny outfit for the day and sell my services to the angry mob.

Have a nice weekend.

[AndyFatBastard]

Fuck fuck fuck fuck!

Tried to purge ~18k hands from my HEM database in order to reload them since they weren't detedted properly, and it's gone fucking mental deleting 110k+ hands! I selected the player name and the stakes but it didn't seem to care. I hae them all archived but this is gonna be a fucker to reload.

Edit: Argh wtf is it doing? It says it's done 300k hands now and I don't think I even have that many in my DB!

Edit2: Oh fuck I see what I've done wrong. I've deleted every hand not played by my on my FT account. Argh!

[Denny Crane]

can anyone recommend where to get a laminator that does a3? just need it for low volumes.

[NoRiverRequired]

joan burton annoys me so much...

what a muppet she is

[Wreck]

lol, you work in the Tower don't you Adam?

God i've nothing to do with this lot, I was just reading about it today.
Should be a bit of craic for you though, apparantly there's a stage going up outside the Tower on Saturday for speeches, music, the works.
I might actually take a spin into town for the laugh.Perhaps I could hang onto the bunny outfit for the day and sell my services to the angry mob.

Have a nice weekend.

Just noticed your sig, cracking tune from a really good album.

[Lao Lao]

Anyone know of a good website that goes into indepth details/stats for premier league matches/teams, things like no. of corners per game, time frames of goals scored in etc, etc?

[rounders123]

can anyone recommend where to get a laminator that does a3? just need it for low volumes.

afaik its not that you need an A3 laminator as most standard A4 ones do A3 sheets, its just the A3 pouches you need to get.

[Solskjaer]

Naked Camera on Rte two now.

[RasTa]

http://www.todaysbigthing.com/2010/03/19

[a-k-47]

whats up with sparticus has season 1 finished? cant find e10 on the site i use?... entertaining viewing .. also anyone any news on dexter season 4?

[KevIRL]

. also anyone any news on dexter season 4?

Season 4 was epic.

Season 5 should start September time

[dannydiamond]

Just noticed your sig, cracking tune from a really good album.

Aye, first line from a cracking collection of tunes.


[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcFKlEfu_eU[/ame]

[a-k-47]

Season 4 was epic.

Season 5 should start September time

ah well i saw em all afaik.. Finished at trinity right?...

[KevIRL]

ah well i saw em all afaik.. Finished at trinity right?...

Trinity season was the last one, ya

[Wreck]

http://www.todaysbigthing.com/2010/03/19

I found this really entertaining for some reason

http://www.todaysbigthing.com/2010/03/18

[Percy007]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article7065824.ece

Check out the name of the author!!!!!

[dannydiamond]

I found this really entertaining for some reason

http://www.todaysbigthing.com/2010/03/18

Talented lads,

That's excellent.

[dannydiamond]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...cle7065824.ece



Check out the name of the author!!!!!

lol, quality.

[MegaSin]

The handsome man club

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyGJXLxtVEo[/ame]

[Fuzzy Logic]

Season 4 was epic.

Season 5 should start September time

Sep 27 I think

[Emmet]

Just home from pub.

Never realised before, but a great call.

The local has a pub quiz every Thurs. Its free to enter and the winning table gets 2 free rounds, and the second table gets a free round.

Its shit like this that'll bring people back to the pubs, not them retarded ads on the radio.

Decided I was gonna win after 4 questions, so upped my round to something stronger than usual, didn't win, and spent a fortune.

Pleasantly pissed though

[MegaSin]

I think pubs are pricing them selfs out of customers.

When you can get 20 bottles of bud for 15 euros in an offo or buy 3 in a pub for 15 the choice is simples.

But congrats on being pissed (I'm jealous) and pub quiz's sound great always tried to organize a group to go but never takes off.

[eagle eye]

whats up with sparticus has season 1 finished? cant find e10 on the site i use?... entertaining viewing .. also anyone any news on dexter season 4?

Well if you use QSS I can tell you that episodes 8 and 9 were leaked early. I'm not sure ep. 10 is out yet.

[eagle eye]

lol, quality.

I'm just wondering if this is part of an evil plan that was mentioned here months ago or well just over a month ago.

[dannydiamond]

I'm just wondering if this is part of an evil plan that was mentioned here months ago or well just over a month ago.

I would be extremely impressed if that was hitchiker.

[Fuzzy Logic]

Werewolf thread just got interesting.

[eagle eye]

Werewolf thread just got interesting.

Yay for the villagers.

[Icarus152]

[Emmet]

First wolf ever to be outed....

Embarrassing imo

[Emmet]

definitely too harsh