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Originally posted by newbie2 View PostThe property at 35 Summerhill Parade, Ballybough was vacant since May, and Was ordered by the fire brigade To remain vacant.
In early May, a large number of primarily Brazilian tenants were evicted with 24 hours notice from the house, and five other neighbouring homes on the street owned by the fund, the DCHA has said. Up to 20 tenants had been living in each property, sharing rooms in cramped bunk bed accommodation.
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Originally posted by newbie2 View PostThe property at 35 Summerhill Parade, Ballybough was vacant since May, and was ordered by the fire brigade to remain vacant.
So some landlords will take the hit here, get the work done posthaste and put the tenants involved in other properties in the meantime, then return them. Other landlords might choose to do the work more slowly but with the ultimately aim of getting some tenants back in.
Or in the case of Summerhill Parade they may send a heavy around holding a bit of paper saying pack your stuff and get the fuck out.
So this landlord chose the last option, but I think it's a bit of a stretch to suggest that it's a fire brigade decision. The landlord chose to do what a slum landlord would do - milk the house for as long as possible for the lowest possible level of investment, then let it go to ruin whilst waiting for the council to CPO it for office developement.
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Originally posted by Lao Lao View Post.... The properties that they are....... .Originally posted by Lao Lao View PostI was referring to the property on
Originally posted by Lao Lao View Postthat was occupied because it was deemed to be run by a slum landlord before it became vacant. Again, I personally approve of them highlighting this issueOriginally posted by Irish Times 8/8/2018In a statement Dublin Central Housing Action said the protest was demanding local authorities enact compulsory purchase orders to buy vacant homes for social housing, and that the Government undertake “massive immediate investment in public housing on public land.”
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Originally posted by CourierCollie View Posthttps://www.irishtimes.com/news/poli...lity-1.2550097
looked through the last year of his twitter account, and every single post was automatically generated.
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Is there any numbers on the amount of vacant houses that would meet the criteria for compulsory sale put forward by the group?
I'm just curious whether the amount of vacant properties in the city would move the needle much for the housing crisis.
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Originally posted by brady23 View PostIs there any numbers on the amount of vacant houses that would meet the criteria for compulsory sale put forward by the group?
I'm just curious whether the amount of vacant properties in the city would move the needle much for the housing crisis.
I'm not aware any major change in these figures in the last two years but am open to correction.
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I assumed that would be the answer Hitch, it's quite clear there is progress but I assume extra housing hasn't met the growth in population(happy to be corrected).
The issue then is the most vulnerable in society are those who suffered the most during this period. Clearly there is progress but my issue is that the measures have been put in place after the issue has reached a crisis point.
I'm unsure of the level of resources needed to stage protests such as this but I would question whether it's the most efficient method of addressing the housing crisis.
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Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View PostYep absolutely. But then again can they realistically grow any faster? It's almost certain that housing delivery will exceed population growth within about two years. Actually the Central Bank was recently putting people on notice to expect house price falls as a result.
We shouldn't be in a situation where we have to wait 2 years to reach a point where there is enough housing, it should scaled consistently. There should have been measures in place prior to this imo.
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Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Postso 18,000 ... i.e. not very much.
Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View PostAlso there is a massive increase in both homes being built (up 30% in a year) and planning permissions for homes (up 80% in a year), specifically thanks to changes that Murphy made to planning system.
Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View PostYou may say thats not fast enough, but the reality is that things just can't increase any faster. That's absolute breakneck batten-down-the-hatches speed. Your area, shipping containers, grows a few percent a year and you probably find that a hassle. Property construction is growing at 10 times that level.
Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View PostSo let's be realistic that there isn't much more that can be done right now. Homes don't appear by magic - there's a long lead time between land acquisition, plan development, permission granted, and homes delivered. But new home construction is growing at 30% a year and will probably continue growing at that level for the next few years. There isn't some conspiracy to deprive people of homes, in fact the very opposite is clearly and without any doubt the case.
Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View PostAnd just to continue on that figure of 33/1000 vacant dwellings in Dublin City in 2016. That number had fallen from 46/1000 in 2011. Its bizarre therefore to assume that there wouldn't be "any major change in these figures in the last two years" given that existing trend.
And let's look at the reasons why property was actually vacant in both Dublin City and the suburbs (so of the 1.1m people in that region):
There's a big 'other' category there, as the CSO couldn't get information on a lot of homes, but you see there's a whole lot of reasons why a property might be empty. The home is for sale, the person just died or is in a nursing home. Let's occupy the homes of the elderly in nursing homes, those speculative pricks!
Even making the big assumption that all the 'other' homes are vacant speculator types, we'd still have a tiny proportion of homes in Dublin that are actually vacant on purpose, especially if we extrapolate the trend that was already taking place of massive drop in vacant dwellings in run up to 2016 when last census was run.
And those 1,549 are only 10% of the 'Other' Amount in Dublin, 5.5% of the total amount in Dublin and 0.5% of the toal amount of vacant houses in Ireland.
I fully acknowledge I've used percentages for my arguement after dissing you for using them in yours
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Ah let’s start seizing people’s property...then let’s start seizing other “vital” services and companies for the good of the people....one word on where this ends. Venezuela.
I’ve no problem with people protesting to highlight issues and bring pressure on govt to act more quickly but for all the comrades out there advocating state thievery I’d suggest you be careful what you wish for.
It didn’t work out so well in Animal farm or in any other socialist paradise you care to discuss. Cuba, Russia, Venezuela all cracking examples of where simplistic solutions lead...
I think people should engage in the real poltics of getting shit done and not protest poltics and clinging to moral high grounds because that sort of stuff is to easily manipulated and a new class of “haves” and “have nots” is all that emerges.‘IF YOU had not committed great sins, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you.” Genghis Khan
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Originally posted by V for Vendetta View PostAh let’s start seizing people’s property...then let’s start seizing other “vital” services and companies for the good of the people....one word on where this ends. Venezuela.
I’ve no problem with people protesting to highlight issues and bring pressure on govt to act more quickly but for all the comrades out there advocating state thievery I’d suggest you be careful what you wish for.
It didn’t work out so well in Animal farm or in any other socialist paradise you care to discuss. Cuba, Russia, Venezuela all cracking examples of where simplistic solutions lead...
I think people should engage in the real poltics of getting shit done and not protest poltics and clinging to moral high grounds because that sort of stuff is to easily manipulated and a new class of “haves” and “have nots” is all that emerges."We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Originally posted by V for Vendetta View PostAh let’s start seizing people’s property...then let’s start seizing other “vital” services and companies for the good of the people....one word on where this ends. Venezuela.
I’ve no problem with people protesting to highlight issues and bring pressure on govt to act more quickly but for all the comrades out there advocating state thievery I’d suggest you be careful what you wish for.
It didn’t work out so well in Animal farm or in any other socialist paradise you care to discuss. Cuba, Russia, Venezuela all cracking examples of where simplistic solutions lead...
I think people should engage in the real poltics of getting shit done and not protest poltics and clinging to moral high grounds because that sort of stuff is to easily manipulated and a new class of “haves” and “have nots” is all that emerges.
Liberals eagerness to seize this at every possible opportunity and in the most hectoring, self-righteous way (eh Zod!) is what turns mainstream voters off them. Bullshit like LGBT toilets is what enables the likes of Trump."We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Originally posted by Lao Lao View Post18,000 is not a lot - Are you actually having a laugh? 18,000 vacant homes is a very large number no matter how you try to spin it.
It's similar to saying 3-4% unemployment is too high because that means approx 150-200k people in Ireland are unemployed but that is effectively zero unemployment.
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Originally posted by Gimmeabreakffs Hitch will you stop being so rational. Sinn Fein have some magic house beans, pretty sure they are going to make them available any day now.
Originally posted by V for Vendetta View PostAh let’s start seizing people’s property...then let’s start seizing other “vital” services and companies for the good of the people....one word on where this ends. Venezuela.
I’ve no problem with people protesting to highlight issues and bring pressure on govt to act more quickly but for all the comrades out there advocating state thievery I’d suggest you be careful what you wish for.
It didn’t work out so well in Animal farm or in any other socialist paradise you care to discuss. Cuba, Russia, Venezuela all cracking examples of where simplistic solutions lead...
I think people should engage in the real poltics of getting shit done and not protest poltics and clinging to moral high grounds because that sort of stuff is to easily manipulated and a new class of “haves” and “have nots” is all that emerges.
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Originally posted by Lao Lao View PostWe are nowhere near the number of houses we should and need to be building.
No matter who is in government there is no chance they could increase supply any faster without doing something like importing prefabs and using the Army to deploy them.
Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View PostLet's occupy the homes of the elderly in nursing homes, those speculative pricks!Turning millions into thousands
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Originally posted by brady23 View PostIs it not relative though? If 18,000 vacant properties is a higher proportion of total properties in Dublin when compared to other major cities in the world then I think you have a valid point (maybe that is the case).
It's similar to saying 3-4% unemployment is too high because that means approx 150-200k people in Ireland are unemployed but that is effectively zero unemployment.
Yes, it's all relative. I don't have stats on other major cities regarding their vacants to total properties. But if looking at that, you also need to look at the other cities who have a simalar ratio to us, do they have the same issue with homelessness that we do? I don't have the answers to be honest and to some extent, I'm not too interested. I accept that is a very insular outlook but my first concern is the country I live in. And when I say that, I don't just mean Irish people, I mean every person, no matter where they are from, that lives in Ireland as to me, that is the immediate society that I live in and I want that to be a society that has basic levels for every person and having a roof over your head that has secuity of tenure is one of the biggest priorities for me.
For me, a city having 18,000 vancant homes (over 28K when you take in the suburbs) and a country having over 200K nationwide with 10K people homeless is just plain wrong.
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Originally posted by Lao Lao View PostYes, it's all relative. I don't have stats on other major cities regarding their vacants to total properties. But if looking at that, you also need to look at the other cities who have a simalar ratio to us, do they have the same issue with homelessness that we do? I don't have the answers to be honest and to some extent, I'm not too interested. I accept that is a very insular outlook but my first concern is the country I live in. And when I say that, I don't just mean Irish people, I mean every person, no matter where they are from, that lives in Ireland as to me, that is the immediate society that I live in and I want that to be a society that has basic levels for every person and having a roof over your head that has secuity of tenure is one of the biggest priorities for me.
For me, a city having 18,000 vancant homes (over 28K when you take in the suburbs) and a country having over 200K nationwide with 10K people homeless is just plain wrong.
We have different opinions with regards to the immediate society thing. I do my best to adhere to effective altruism and do my utmost to look from a vantage point that adds the most to human well being, whether it's happening in Dublin or Venezuela, human suffering is human suffering but that's an argument for a different time.
My issue with this protest is not the aim which is obviously admirable and important but rather that is targeting something that is simply salient but perhaps illogical.
I agree with V4V in that protests to raise awareness of an issue is important but when an organisation has limited resources they should address the issue that can be the most productive, so if you're targeting vacant buildings and you could be addressing the issue to greater effect elsewhere then your efforts should be redirected.
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Originally posted by Strewelpeter View PostHave you tried to hire a builder recently?
No matter who is in government there is no chance they could increase supply any faster without doing something like importing prefabs and using the Army to deploy them.
Four years ago, in 2014, our government pledged that they would eradicate homeslessness by 2016.
In Dec 2014, there was 3,607 people homeless in Ireland. There are now just shy of 10,000 people homeless.
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Originally posted by Lao Lao View PostLet's look at just two of the above numbers, Vancant Long Term & Boarded up - habitable - They come to a total of 1,549. In July 2018, there was 9,891 people homeless in Ireland. There are 1,778 familes in there and 3,867 children. So just by tackling the long term vacant and boarded up habitable houses in Dublin, we could potentially elimiate around 40% of the homesless in Ireland.
1. want to live in Dublin
2. want to live in those particular places in Dublin
3. will be accepted in those areas in Dublin they are being moved to
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...Last edited by Hitchhiker's Guide To...; 14-09-18, 10:05."We're not f*cking Burundi" - Big Phil
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Originally posted by Lao Lao View PostRecently, no. But the housing issue isn't a recent issue.
Four years ago, in 2014, our government pledged that they would eradicate homeslessness by 2016.
In Dec 2014, there was 3,607 people homeless in Ireland. There are now just shy of 10,000 people homeless."We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Originally posted by newbie2 View PostYou're assuming that 40% of those 9891 people in Ireland
1. want to live in Dublin
2. want to live in those particular places in Dublin
3. will be accepted in those areas in Dublin they are being moved to
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Originally posted by Lao Lao View PostSure, we came out of that years ago, have you not been listening to the government when they've repeatedly told us this?
The after-effects will be with us for a couple more decades."We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Originally posted by Strewelpeter View PostThere is a significant problem here in the way that the Fair Deal scheme conspires to prevent these properties becoming available to rent.
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Originally posted by Lazare View PostWhat if due to ignorance or whatever, the will isn't there?
What if people just don't give a fuck?
That yoke beside me rarely sends her kid to school. Wife spotted her sending the child off to the shops this morning when he should have been in school.
She gave the kid vodka last Xmas. He's about 7.People say I should be more humble I hope they understand, they don't listen when you mumble
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Speaking of roofs over yer head. (I’m with you Comrade Lao Lao ).
Has anyone ever read of the Wrens of the Curragh. I recommend you have a wee look, very interesting stuff. Basically hookers who lived in bushes in the Curragh and serviced the Soldiers there. Mad stuff but fascinating. What a life.
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Originally posted by NuckChorris View PostThe 80% "tax" on it may be rectified soon but I can't see most of them wanting to be or able to be a landlord. They'd have to let family members or agencies rent their house out for them so not all rent would make it's way to their pocket. Also where do all their personal belongings go? Don't see it being a big solution really.
Also I'd expect that the number Hitch quoted is a huge underestimate and probably makes up a good proportion of the Other category.Turning millions into thousands
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Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View PostNo. Listening to politicians doesn't tend to lead one to enlightenment.
The after-effects will be with us for a couple more decades.
But we can throw billions into building, hand multi millions to every woman who had a false negative cervical screening, remove waiting lists and cut USC ahead of the next election
Its almost as if there was someone printing money at an unprecedented rate.Last edited by Strewelpeter; 14-09-18, 10:39.Turning millions into thousands
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Originally posted by Strewelpeter View PostYeah, I think what people find hard to deal with is that the majority of people don't come home from nursing homes.
Also I'd expect that the number Hitch quoted is a huge underestimate and probably makes up a good proportion of the Other category.
The amount of (decent-sized) houses that have had downstairs turned into disabled\elderly zones is quite something. With the upstairs clearly unlived-in for years.
There must be a better way that allows the elderly person a home suited to their needs and frees up the property for a family."We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Originally posted by Strewelpeter View PostHeadlines today are full of waiting lists and the this year's extra 600 Million 'adjustment' in health spending.
But we can throw billions into building, hand multi millions to every woman who had a false negative cervical screening, remove waiting lists and cut USC ahead of the next election
Its almost as if there was someone printing money at an unprecedented rate."We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Originally posted by Silver-Tiger View PostCan whoever set up the race to 15 premiership goals or maybe a player shed light on a rule?
What if Chelsea and City both land on 15 this weekend? What is the IPB rule?
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Originally posted by zuutroy View PostJust saw an Aussie reg car in the school car park. Why would you even..?Turning millions into thousands
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Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View PostNATO soil is everywhere, pointing weapons directly at Russia. I'm not surprised that is considered annoying to them.
Also the US directly interfered in Russian elections in 2011 when Hilary was running foreign policy in US. Hence the revenge motive.
But, more fundamentally, this tweet was of a humorous nature being evocative of similar slapstick mistaken-man comedies in the past, hence the popular retweeting of it
Russia: autocratic mafia state. Bad thing.
There is no moral or other equivalence between the two. Putin is a murderous kleptomaniac."We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Originally posted by DeadParrot View Postthat's surely a social services call if true
Begged us not to say anything as she's terrified of her.
Have honestly never experienced a more repugnant human.I hold silver in tit for tat, and I love you for that
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