Bad beat/Moaning/Venting thread - Mammy told me not to come.

[Tar.Aldarion]

I would have thought the way people end up homeless was fairly well established. First google response for America:
For women in particular, domestic violence is a leading cause of homelessness. the country report that top causes of homelessness among families were: (1) lack of affordable housing, (2) unemployment, (3) poverty, and (4) low wages, in that order.

How does that change anything for the story in general? All seems a bit victim blaming to me.

Was chatting to a homeless woman near where I live, she was quite well on in years by then. She had worked and lived in the area and was driven to homelessness by domestic violence, the street was where she stayed.

A homeless man near me actually used to live in my apartment, lost his job and couldn't afford a new place. He got turfed out, had to stay on the streets and turned to alcohol.

Both were absolutely lovely people when talked to but quickly the signs of addiction and mental health deteriorating could be seen. They started looping in their speech, couldn't say what they thought and only had bouts of coherence, if it wasn't the morning you'd be getting nothing out of them as their imbibed stupor becomes more pronounced as the day goes on. They were so fucking happy that somebody would even look at or talk to them. I can't even remember their stories properly which is sad.

[eamonhonda]

People don't want to hear that unfortunately Tara but there's so many cases where the drugs/alcohol come after the homelessness, as opposed to being the cause.

So much easier call them all junkies and give it the old personal responsibility line, relieves them of any guilt.

[Keane]

Just stumbled upon this via the Brexit thread on boards, one of Strewel's favs

SPOILER

[bohsman]

Even if the drugs came first and they go into freefall is that a wrong answer? Does that now mean that they and their kids should be put up in expensive office blocks that only have microwaves and how dare they complain?

[eamonhonda]

Even if the drugs came first and they go into freefall is that a wrong answer? Does that now mean that they and their kids should be put up in expensive office blocks that only have microwaves and how dare they complain?

No you're right, they should be treated as humans regardless.

[Lazare]

Denny's guy again.

Absolutely fucking nailing the bullshit. Hero.

Loved everything about yesterday's piece from him, except the illegitimacy bit in the opening paragraphs, he lost a few points with that backwards nonsense.

[Lazare]

In other news my little baby girl said her first word this morning.

'Boobies'

[eoghan104]

Fold pre > Call > Raise.

As played, bet 110

Fold absolutely not. Call maybe. Raise fold I think is fine. Agree on 110.

[pokerhand]

Anyone care to lighten it up and also get nostalgic with a poker hand?!
Playing last night in Fitz and this hand caused a lot of debate.

UTG raises to 10 off 400 stack, MP raises to 40 off 140 stack. Me, in the SB playing 450 look down at JJ. The MP player is generally ABC but a bit steamed, the UTG is unknown.

I decided to raise too 100 planning to fold to a shove. Both players call.
Flop J98 and I bet the 300 UTG has left.

Thoughts?

Get nostalgic with me?

I don't know you... you weirdo!!!

[Denny Crane]

Loved everything about yesterday's piece from him, except the illegitimacy bit in the opening paragraphs, he lost a few points with that backwards nonsense.

I think he can come across darker is excerpts that he really is. He's doesn't blame the people in the situation, more for society putting them there. His issue with illegitimacy is that the breakdown in family ties makes it tough for people to escape poverty but he blames the legitimacy on the intellectuals who promoted sex without responsibility.

[Lazare]

I think he can come across darker is excerpts that he really is. He's doesn't blame the people in the situation, more for society putting them there. His issue with illegitimacy is that the breakdown in family ties makes it tough for people to escape poverty but he blames the legitimacy on the intellectuals who promoted sex without responsibility.

It's the concept and terminology of it that I have issues with. As outdated as the term bastard child.

[Strewelpeter]

Great post Hotspur but not as great as your Footsbarn recommendation.

Caught them in Ballintubbert last week and it was just amazing, indescribably brilliant.
Sounds like they are intending to make a visit to Ballintubbert an an annual event which is good.
Its the third time I've seen them and the shows are better each time. Highly recommended, they are going to turn up in Clonakilty and Dingle over the next few weeks definitely worth the effort. I might even make it to Dingle where they are doing a Moliere show in addition to the stripped down midsummer nights dream.

[Strewelpeter]

Fold sounds good to me there too.
I don't see much difference between call /fold and raise / fold

[Raoul Duke III]

It's the concept and terminology of it that I have issues with. As outdated as the term bastard child.

Pretty sure he's noting an unarguable fact (kids with absentee dads have statistically worse outcomes) as opposed to passing judgement.

[pokerhand]

Get nostalgic with me?

I don't know you... you weirdo!!!

Had to wait 6 years to be able to use that joke... not fucking worth it!

[newbie2]

This summers gin.
Need to add a bottle of Garnish Island Gin to that:

[Strewelpeter]

We all know by now that nothing matters but this is too much altogether

FFS !

[Hectorjelly]

Raise fold is crazy and relies on them playing face up... Ie folding tens, shoving aces and calling AK... Haha its not even worth thinking about. Easy fold pre against most live players

[Emmet]

I've often flirted with picking up a bottle of either.

Kindly buy both and give us a review so that I can attack Duty Free in a suitably focussed manner next time.

have had both.

Both taste like gin.

Goes well with tonic.

Hope this helps

[Denny Crane]

Surely we're past peak gin, what's next?

[Raoul Duke III]

Surely we're past peak gin, what's next?

Rum!

[Lazare]

Pretty sure he's noting an unarguable fact (kids with absentee dads have statistically worse outcomes) as opposed to passing judgement.

That is an unarguable fact. That's not what illegitimacy refers to though. It refers to children born to unmarried parents. He mentions a lack of spirituality a lot too.

Those elements of his opinions are outdated.

[Tar.Aldarion]

have had both.

Both taste like gin.

Goes well with tonic.

Hope this helps

I just had chocolate tonic at a distillery in London, not sure how I feel about it with gin but it was incredible on it's own.

[DeadParrot]

We all know by now that nothing matters but this is too much altogether

FFS !

the follow up tweet is better
The POTUS spouting conspiracy theories that the Dems made up the figures
what a world

[DeadParrot]

Surely we're past peak gin, what's next?

Rum!

Rum is a good shout however the core ingredients will make it harder to mass market.

poitin maybe?

[Denny Crane]

Rum!

Find any challengers to Green Island?

That is an unarguable fact. That's not what illegitimacy refers to though. It refers to children born to unmarried parents. He mentions a lack of spirituality a lot too.

Those elements of his opinions are outdated.

He wrote those in the early 90s tbf.

[Guest]

That is an unarguable fact. That's not what illegitimacy refers to though. It refers to children born to unmarried parents. He mentions a lack of spirituality a lot too.

Those elements of his opinions are outdated.

Assuming you're making a religious connection to the spiritual, it's clear at this stage that they are not mutually exclusive.
You can be spiritual without being religious and similarly you can lack spirituality while believing that an invisible hand exists.

[Strewelpeter]

Did I miss it before or has no one here recommended Mike Judges Tales from the tour bus?
You don't have to like country music to enjoy it but if you do it's an absolute don't miss.

I'd known the stories of Johnny Paycheck since forever but still I laughed my tits off at the telling of it in S01E01 Top Class

This is just about the least crazy story in it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOuKK35-sOo

[Solksjaer!]

Great post Mr H but i said it with fewer words .

Congrats on the heir Mr R


Kids are great all the same , worse than any dreamt up evil Dickens villain but still great.
now off to decreche the little tyrants.

[Zod]

Rum!

pfft, there is only Conquistador everything else is just third tier.

[Lazare]

He wrote those in the early 90s tbf.

Aha, ok then. Missed that.

[newbie2]

Put the cork back in the Boyles. What's the Boodles stuff like? Got a bottle as a gift a few weeks ago but not tried it yet.

Surprisingly nice. (I say that because it was cheaper than all the rest on the shelf) Like an old school gin.

Daffys is one of my absolute favourites though. Hint of mint in there.

[Raoul Duke III]

Find any challengers to Green Island?.

I don't think I've had any rum for a few years now. Do have a few bottles (does rum age well?)

[MrsFlushdraw]

Invited to 2 weddings at end of Nov this year but wife is due in middle of them so can politely refuse to attend. Win win all round.

I went to a wedding 2 weeks before the last one was born. The staff seemed horrified and on edge like I was going to drop the bairn right there in the room lol.

No disrespect but anyone that is unemployed at this moment and time does not deserve a free house. Long term unemployed that is. Why do you think landlords won't accept rent allowance or hap. Maybe they have the delusion that a working person will have some respect for the place and be more reliable wth payments etc. Infarness I sure if the likes of Eanonhonda had a property to rent a traveller lady and her lovely bunch of kids would be most welcome.

I have a friend who has just split with her partner of 18 years. They have 5 kids. They built the house on his family land and when they split she was the one that had to go as it was his house according to him. She struggled hard to get a place that accepted HAP. She has not worked since she had her first kid 17 years ago. Her youngest is only coming 3 at Halloween.

She struggled as she didn't have a landlord recommendation letter due to not having to have needed rent in her life as she left the family home to live with her partner into the house they built.

It took her 4 months to do it as she started looking in February and she moved in end of July. She is now working part-time since this week. It really is tough for some woman. Thankfully she got someplace, albeit it is very old fashioned etc and a bit dingy. One of her kids has pretty bad Aspergers as well.

She could be classed as long-termed unemployed but had never applied for a benefit in her life. She has her degree although it is a bit dated now and finally getting on her feet. People won't rent to her under her circumstances and it is pretty unfair.

Speaking of people who don’t contribute to society having babies. This recruitment consultant has just had his first, a son.

It’s an incredible feeling just to watch him sleep

Enjoy watching the little man sleep, and congrats to you and the missus on the birth of your little boy

[dobby]

Another IPBer going viral

https://m.facebook.com/1104112866270065/photos/a.1646057365408943/2288432517838088/?type=3&source=48

[newbie2]

Populist watch Ireland is hardly viral

[dobby]

Populist watch Ireland is hardly viral

Yes. That's what means

[newbie2]

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[ComradeCollie]

What was that on Dobby! - someone's page on FB? (Can't access as have no account).

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/populist-watch-ireland-an-exercise-in-accountability-1.2550097

looked through the last year of his twitter account, and every single post was automatically generated.

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[ComradeCollie]

I'm almost sure this has been photoshopped in some way

[CHDad]

Rum is a good shout however the core ingredients will make it harder to mass market.

poitin maybe?

Rum is next, it's what gona be pushed next anyway.

[Lazare]

Its a beautiful post, but bear in mind ...

... the logical answer to this post isn't: this person should therefore get €50k a year. It seems like a woeful conclusion to say 'you've no idea what you are doing due to awful circumstances- here's €50k - raise those kids well and look after yourself - problem solved!'

We substitute money for actual care, as actual care is something we haven't thought about how to really do. Sensibly that would involve substituting some welfare payments for better targetted social care. Not to save money, it would probably cost more, but it would be far more successful and nice in the long run.

As it stands right now those seven kids are pretty much destined to lead crappy lives. The €50k isn't stopping that reality. Nor would €100k. Actual intervention and designing a program around schooling, empowerment, exposures to other ways of living, people being nice to them and caring about them, would make a difference though.

What if due to ignorance or whatever, the will isn't there?

What if people just don't give a fuck?

That yoke beside me rarely sends her kid to school. Wife spotted her sending the child off to the shops this morning when he should have been in school.

She gave the kid vodka last Xmas. He's about 7.

[Theresa]

Put every unemployed persons social welfare to learning some sort of programming language.

Accredit a state owned institution for teaching web based technology curriculums.
Put job seekers through it. Make their social welfare dependent on it.
Set up a state owned internship system where these people get real workplace experience.
They won't be unemployed for long afterwards.

Different to jobridge because the skills are actually in demand and can be used remotely.

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[Tar.Aldarion]

Why isn't wanker tequila being pushed? That's some good shit. Rum is fairly meh to me. Al long as it's not brandy, I'm fine with it.

[Silver-Tiger]

Because tequila is fucking disgusting.

[Theresa]

Because tequila is fucking disgusting.

its not too often we disagree.

but you are so wrong.

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[Tar.Aldarion]

Because tequila is fucking disgusting.

Only stuff from a nightclub is bad, and yeah that stuff is really bad. But it's like saying whiskey is shit because you bought the cheapest one that exists

[newbie2]

Tequila is the dogs bollox.
Mate of mine brought a bottle f the 'shit local stuff' from Mexico recently. Better than any shit Ive tasted here

[Silver-Tiger]

God I hate it. The taste of it obviously but the smell of it too.
Most cocktails are shite but Margaritas are the worst.

Think it's the only food or drink I despise.

That Saturday kitchen question "What's your food heaven and hell?".
I always struggle to think of my food hell but if there's any dessert infused with tequila then that would be it.

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[Lazare]

That's exactly what I'm suggesting needs to change. Spend on caring for the kid, not just hand over oodles of cash to the parents and hope for the best. That's a crazy approach.

The problem with that idea, harking back to hotspur's post is, you're making the assumption that everybody shares your worldview about what's good for a child.

I certainly do, but some people don't.

What use are interventionist programs when the people 'caring' for targeted children don't care enough?

I'm not saying oodles of cash is the answer either.

[NewApproach]

These figures are being put forward as if she is earning 50k into her pocket from the state, when the bulk of that money is going to landlords and what isn't is for feeding and clothing herself and her family.

If you're not looking at the ideology of those creating such graphs and their reasons for sharing them then you are blinding yourself from important information in judging the situation.

And to be honest I'd rather have a hot poker put up my hole than discuss anything political with you. It's impossible to determine whether you're on the level or at it, and that's not a good thing because if your bullshit is indeterminable from your actual beliefs it makes you look like a complete shithead.

Working folk need to pay for their housing from their (after tax) income, why should housing contributions be disregarded for welfare merchants?

[Lao Lao]

Just catching up with the BBV after two bizarre days.

Hotspur with possibly the best post ever made on here.

I'm fully in support of the Take Back the City group. I went into the march yesterday evening from North Frederick St to Mountjoy Sq and there was about 1000+ people there. Most were young (student age) but there was a some older folks and I was clearly the median (age wise )

I wouldn't normally advocate people occupying private property but this is different. The properties that they are occupying have been abandoned for several years and this course of action is not to damage or seek refuge but to highlight the large number of properties in that state/condition while there is a huge housing shortage. Quite simply, I think it's a brilliant strategy and I hope to be able to get involved / help out in some way.

[Trippie]

Tequila is the dogs bollox.
Mate of mine brought a bottle f the 'shit local stuff' from Mexico recently. Better than any shit Ive tasted here

probably mezcal.

new bar in dallas opened when I was back last, 100's of tequilas and mezcals. they had a drink where simple TopoChico mexican sparkling water, pour out a bit and pour mezcal into it. Absolutely delicious.

[AndyFatBastard]

Just catching up with the BBV after two bizarre days.

Hotspur with possibly the best post ever made on here.

I'm fully in support of the Take Back the City group. I went into the march yesterday evening from North Frederick St to Mountjoy Sq and there was about 1000+ people there. Most were young (student age) but there was a some older folks and I was clearly the median (age wise )

I wouldn't normally advocate people occupying private property but this is different. The properties that they are occupying have been abandoned for several years and this course of action is not to damage or seek refuge but to highlight the large number of properties in that state/condition while there is a huge housing shortage. Quite simply, I think it's a brilliant strategy and I hope to be able to get involved / help out in some way.

The vacant site levy kicks in on Jan 1st m9