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Originally posted by Kayroo View PostI know. I don’t think anyone suggested otherwise
I also didnt mean to imply someone did.
Think of my statement as an independent shoutout to Mick.
also, how are ya?This may or may not be an original thought of my own.
All efforts were made to make this thought original but with the abundance of thoughts in the world the originality of this thought cannot be guaranteed.
The author is not liable for any issue arising from the platitudinous nature of this post.
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Jumped into a No echo chamber on Facebook after a friend linked me to it a couple of days ago.
I was their Jack.
Jesus there was some mental midgetry. One guy said it was a pity I wasn't aborted. Lost his nut when I pointed out to him that meant he was in favour of abortion in certain circumstances and that he needs to vote Yes.
Another guy stalked my photos and found I had spelled Lansdowne road as Landsdown 10 years ago and made a big deal of it telling everyone else to check it out. (The original post was claiming to be an anonymous letter from someone with 24 years experience in the legal profession but was full of ridiculous grammar errors which I had used to call bullshit on it, was bullshit anyway).
I pointed out to him that he was an imbecile and he challenged me to a fight outside the GPO at 4.30pm. I said sure, and asked him what will he be wearing and he immediately deleted all his posts and fucked off.
Was fun.I hold silver in tit for tat, and I love you for that
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'It's too extreme, they should have proposed narrower legislation just to deal with rape and FFE'
'Okay, if they did, would you support it?'
'Ehhhhh...I'd consider it'
FUCK OFF
Harris playing a blinder."Worldly wisdom teaches that it is better for reputation to fail conventionally than to succeed unconventionally." - John Maynard Keynes
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Originally posted by GimmeabreakWhatever else about Katie Asccough she is always 100% on point in terms of the message she wants to deliver."Worldly wisdom teaches that it is better for reputation to fail conventionally than to succeed unconventionally." - John Maynard Keynes
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Originally posted by LuckyLloyd View Post'It's too extreme, they should have proposed narrower legislation just to deal with rape and FFE'
'Okay, if they did, would you support it?'
'Ehhhhh...I'd consider it'
FUCK OFF
Harris playing a blinder.I hold silver in tit for tat, and I love you for that
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Originally posted by elbows View PostSome result having Harris vs Peader"Worldly wisdom teaches that it is better for reputation to fail conventionally than to succeed unconventionally." - John Maynard Keynes
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Originally posted by GimmeabreakOh I'm with you there, but as soon as she gets a microphone she is on point in 3 words."Worldly wisdom teaches that it is better for reputation to fail conventionally than to succeed unconventionally." - John Maynard Keynes
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Originally posted by rounders123 View PostJayzus, Sheila! I forgot me feckin' trousers
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Most positive thing I have heard were some of the responses on an RTE radio vox pop this morning from a couple of rural women, natural No voters who are being persuaded by their children to vote yes and an 85 year old farmer who wanted to 'leave it to the women'.
On the down side there was a seven year who came home from their catholic school today and asked his mother what way was she going to vote in the 'Stabbing babies in the head thing'Turning millions into thousands
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Originally posted by LuckyLloyd View PostGreat outcome. Maria Steen has apparently pulled out of tomorrow night's debate on TV3 also. Rats leaving the sinking ship?
Found both sides really lacking in people actually genuinely willing or capable of debating.Thought Steen was actually good in deflecting and anticipating what her opponents would use what they say back against them.. . Harris knocked it out of the park, thought was very direct structured answers and seemed very well prepared.Last edited by Pat Mustard; 22-05-18, 22:26.Jayzus, Sheila! I forgot me feckin' trousers
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Originally posted by Strewelpeter View PostMost positive thing I have heard were some of the responses on an RTE radio vox pop this morning from a couple of rural women, natural No voters who are being persuaded by their children to vote yes and an 85 year old farmer who wanted to 'leave it to the women'.
On the down side there was a seven year who came home from their catholic school today and asked his mother what way was she going to vote in the 'Stabbing babies in the head thing'I hold silver in tit for tat, and I love you for that
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Was hoping someone on the Yes side would grow a set and call out this unborn child\ equal human being madness.
The abortion statistics form Iceland or the UK or wherever, that are quoted by the no side to horrify, are a refection of the decisions women make in those countries. Women not, evil demons for hell.
If anything these stats show that is is natural for women to desire an abortion in certain circumstances.
Why is Iceland close to becoming the first country where no-one gives birth to a child with Down's syndrome? Because given a choice that is what people want. Real people, not two headed, horned, monsters.
The only way humans gonna human is if you vote Yes.Happiness is not a goal; it is a by-product. ~Eleanor Roosevelt
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Originally posted by Wombatman View PostWhy is Iceland close to becoming the first country where no-one gives birth to a child with Down's syndrome? Because given a choice that is what people want. Real people, not two headed, horned, monsters.
Close to 100% of people who do the test have an abortion if it's found. But that's hardly significant. Why else would they be doing the test in the first place.
The who don't do test, give birth to babies with Downs just like in any other country. Iceland isn't magic.
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Originally posted by Wombatman View PostWas hoping someone on the Yes side would grow a set and call out this unborn child\ equal human being madness.
The abortion statistics form Iceland or the UK or wherever, that are quoted by the no side to horrify, are a refection of the decisions women make in those countries. Women not, evil demons for hell.
If anything these stats show that is is natural for women to desire an abortion in certain circumstances.
Why is Iceland close to becoming the first country where no-one gives birth to a child with Down's syndrome? Because given a choice that is what people want. Real people, not two headed, horned, monsters.
The only way humans gonna human is if you vote Yes.No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity, but I know none, therefore am no beast.
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Originally posted by pokerhand View PostYou seriously saying that people with down syndrome are not real people?Originally posted by Mellor View PostYou seriously think that's what he said?Originally posted by pokerhand View PostLooks that way.
as in the parents are real people, not monsters, if they decide that an abortion is the right decision for them at that point in their lives and with respect for all of the facts that they are in possession of.
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My jaysis this is outstanding.... (from fb)
Originally posted by John EardlyOne of my favourite subjects as a law student was Constitutional Law. And, one of my favourite topics in Constitutional Law was the backstory as to how the 8th Amendment ended up in our Constitution. After all, in 1983, there was already strict 19th century legislation still in force in Ireland, that outlawed abortion. So, why was the 8th Amendment so vigorously promoted and pursued by the fundamentalist Right in Ireland?
Well, it has to do with one simple fact: from the mid to late-1960s, the fundamentalist Right, including the Catholic Hierarchy, experienced their first major loss of control over the Irish State. The process of liberalization in Ireland truly can trace its origins back not to the 1990s but to the 1960s. In this decade, contrary to the opposition of the Catholic Hierarchy, the Government practically overturned the strict censorship rules that had, up til then, controlled the booklists of Irish readers. The Government, in the face of opposition from the Catholic Hierarchy, also introduced free second level education for all. Later, in the 1970s, the People passed a referendum removing the 'Special Position' of the Catholic Church from the Irish Constitution. Combine that with the growing influence and openness of television, and you had a lethal cocktail likely to alarm significant numbers of conservatives.
However, the straw that broke the camel's back came, when it was the other major bastion of conservatism, the Judiciary, that finally seemed to have abandoned them.
How did this happen and why is it related to the 8th Amendment?
Well, as you can imagine, because of our history of seeking independence from Britain, the American and Irish legal outlook was forged by certain similarities. For this reason, both have written Constitutions with a similar system of applying and interpreting them. It is not particularly surprising, therefore, that there has been a certain synergy between the two countries. In particular, from the mid-1960s, both the American and Irish Supreme Courts developed a new constitutional concept called (in Ireland) 'unenumerated rights'. This meant that, even if a right is not expressly written down in the Constitution, the Judges can look at the spirit of the Constitution overall and include or imply rights into it anyway. On one level, this may be criticized as unelected Judges making the Law. On the other hand, when you had an inactive and conservative Parliament or Dail, this had the effect of introducing rights that the politicians were unwilling or unable to enact. And, this is exactly what happened in Ireland and the United States from the early 1970s.
In this period, two of the most important unenumerated or implied constitutional rights that emerged were the right to bodily integrity and the right to privacy. In Ireland, in the early 1970s, a young married woman, McGee, managed to get the draconian contraception laws in Ireland struck down based on her right to 'marital privacy'. This was the famous case of McGee v Attorney General. What was particularly concerning, however, to the Catholic Hierarchy and the conservatives in this McGee judgment was the reasoning of the Irish Supreme Court itself. The Supreme Court held that the Constitution was a civil, secular document and the Supreme Court alone would interpret it. And, the Supreme Court would not get involved in choosing between different interpretations of religion or morality about how it should be applied. This meant that privacy was a constitutional right, regardless of which religious tradition disagreed with it or not. Effectively, in McGee, the Irish Supreme Court confirmed that Church and State were separate.
And, this is where our problem with the 8th begins. As a result of her victory, Mrs McGee and all other (married) Irish women were now entitled to decide, in privacy, whether to use contraception and become pregnant or not. Neither the State nor the Church had any right to interfere in her privacy and her decision about the control of her fertility.
As a result, there was significant alarm emerging among the Catholic Hierarchy and conservatives. Not only could the political system now not be trusted to fall in line with Catholic dogma (ie free education and the end to censorship as above). But, now the Judiciary, itself, was effectively removing control of Catholic teaching over the law of the land and, effectively, separating Church and State.
The Irish State could no longer be trusted to toe the line. And, for the first time, the judicially created rights of bodily integrity and privacy meant women, in Ireland (and the US), were acquiring full control over their bodies and fertility. In addition, as happened in McGee, the Supreme Courts of Ireland and the US confirmed that any legislation that got in the way of these new female rights would be struck down as unconstitutional.
In the US, privacy and bodily integrity for women culminated in the iconic decision of Roe v Wade.
And so, the 8th Amendment was designed to have a two-fold purpose. Firstly, to stop forever any further extension of the right to privacy or bodily integrity over pregnancy in Ireland. Secondly, by rousing the devout population against liberalization of abortion laws, the conservatives were sending out a message that the People were on their side. And, no further social liberalization by the Judiciary or even the Dail would be tolerated.
Effectively, the 8th Amendment was a reaction to the judicial emancipation of women in Ireland. The reason why it is important to remember this is because, listening to No Campaigners in recent weeks, you could be forgiven for believing that the 8th was placed in the Constitution to protect and support women when nothing could be further from the truth. It was precisely because these fundamentalist groups no longer trusted the political system, no longer trusted the judicial system to uphold their restrictive moral dogma over womens' rights that the 8th was promoted and manipulated into our Constitution in 1983. It was a fundamentally anti-woman movement based on a reaction against the very legal reforms that had so benefitted womens' reproductive rights under the Irish Constitution. In short, if the Supreme Court in 1974 had thrown Mrs McGee out, like so many other previous Supreme Courts would have done, there would have been no 8th and all would have been well with the world.
This did not happen. Mrs McGee won. And, the 8th was a direct reaction against this.
This Friday we have an opportunity to remove this stain on our legal system. A historical legacy that has no place in the modern Republic we have become. And, having done so, women will be restored to that path of emancipation so courageously prepared for them by the Irish Supreme Court in the early 1970s and will walk a little taller on the 26th of May for having done so.I hold silver in tit for tat, and I love you for that
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Originally posted by pokerhand View PostLooks that way.
Because given a choice that is what people want. Real people, not two headed, horned, monsters.
He's saying that abortion in that situation is a decision made by "real people, not by monsters".
He's not saying that people want "real [babies] not horned monsters".
I see the way you were reading it. But I didn't think it was anyway ambiguous tbh. Kinda Jackesque to misconstrue it like that.
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Originally posted by Lazare View PostMy jaysis this is outstanding.... (from fb)Why Ireland became the only country in the democratic world to have a constitutional ban on abortionOpinion: Sectarian, paranoid, apocalyptic ideology gave us the eighth amendment
Fintan O'Toole ends this article by commenting that most of the Pro-Life Amendment Campaign (PLAC) have left public life.
Most of PLAC went on to become the Pro-Life Committee (PLC). The members include Cora Sherlock, William Binchy (who was prominent in the 1983 campaign) and Joe McCarroll (who campaigned against the decriminalisation of homosexuality).
Reading the history of these guys is infuriating. They've been on the wrong side of everything.You are technically correct...the best kind of correct
World Record Holder for Long Distance Soul Reads: May 7th 2011
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Originally posted by Kayroo View Posthttps://www.irishtimes.com/news/poli...tion-1.1907610
Fintan O'Toole ends this article by commenting that most of the Pro-Life Amendment Campaign (PLAC) have left public life.
Most of PLAC went on to become the Pro-Life Committee (PLC). The members include Cora Sherlock, William Binchy (who was prominent in the 1983 campaign) and Joe McCarroll (who campaigned against the decriminalisation of homosexuality).
Reading the history of these guys is infuriating. They've been on the wrong side of everything.
That is just fucking mental!
This was her post
" Ger if we vote yes the government can write what ever the hell they like law on it. They have not stated as to what they are changing it to. So for women who have a child who could have special needs could be forced to abort them to save government money on care for them. You see it already in other countries how you hardly ever see a person with down syndrome. Why is that.. was it their CHOICE or the governement/laws choice. I still have my other thought and belief on it and as you well know it's damn all to do with religion. And I have nothing against gays marrying. Don't know why you keep bringing that up. I may live in donegal but I am myself and have my own reasons for voting no. What would have happened to both órlaith and luke if it was taken away. The hospitals has to try keep them alive by given us injections to help induce their lungs had to monitor us to save our babies. If it's scrapped will it turn out to just "ah let nature take its course" unless we have private health insurance or pay thousands to stay in hospital to get the care our babies needed."Last edited by MrsFlushdraw; 23-05-18, 08:03.
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Originally posted by Keane View PostWas there a discussion here about powerline wifi adapters lately? Any consensus on a good model?
On the phone so can't searchTurning millions into thousands
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Originally posted by Keane View PostI'm fully convinced that yes is a shoo-in at this stage.Turning millions into thousands
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Originally posted by The Situation View PostIs there going to be celebrations if this passes? Seems a weird one. Like I'm firmly Yes but a more dignified reaction seems appropriate considering the subject matter.
The no side will point the finger for the couple of days saying murder is being celebrated I'm sure.
Let's get the yes first tho, feel wrong talking like it's an assumed result just yet.airport, lol
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Originally posted by MrsFlushdraw View Post" Ger if we vote yes the government can write what ever the hell they like law on it. They have not stated as to what they are changing it to. So for women who have a child who could have special needs could be forced to abort them to save government money on care for them. You see it already in other countries how you hardly ever see a person with down syndrome. Why is that.. was it their CHOICE or the governement/laws choice. I still have my other thought and belief on it and as you well know it's damn all to do with religion. And I have nothing against gays marrying. Don't know why you keep bringing that up. I may live in donegal but I am myself and have my own reasons for voting no. What would have happened to both órlaith and luke if it was taken away. The hospitals has to try keep them alive by given us injections to help induce their lungs had to monitor us to save our babies. If it's scrapped will it turn out to just "ah let nature take its course" unless we have private health insurance or pay thousands to stay in hospital to get the care our babies needed."You are technically correct...the best kind of correct
World Record Holder for Long Distance Soul Reads: May 7th 2011
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Originally posted by TheJiggaman View Post3 presale on now
General Sale on Friday.
Will just get them 9am Friday in fear they sell out (I don't think they would)
V excited! Playing Miseducation in full!!
I don't remember last time I was excited about a gig announcement, she probably won't turn up.Last edited by eamonhonda; 23-05-18, 09:48.airport, lol
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Originally posted by The Situation View PostIs there going to be celebrations if this passes? Seems a weird one. Like I'm firmly Yes but a more dignified reaction seems appropriate considering the subject matter.
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