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My initial thoughts on tonight's action
Azerbaijan - Very good, could be an outside shot for the entire competition.
Iceland Far too Christmassy – He even looked like an extra from a Christmas shoot for M&S
Albania Great voice, if it was sung in English, it could be a contender but think it will struggle as is
Belgium Very Alison Moyet vibe about it – I really like it, it was very strong
Czech Republic Proper Eurovision madness, good luck, you’ll need it.
Lithuania Beautiful voice, heartfelt, very simple, not sure if it is anthemy enough to win it
Israel Bat shit crazy, out trumping Czech Republic in the madness stakes but was a much better song, could be a dark horse
Belarus Boring, crying into a rose, get a grip, nothing upbeat about it
Estonia It will do OK, but personally not mad about it, had they jazzed up the opera more, it would be a lot better, but it doesn’t give me the good “feels”
Bulgaria Thought it started a bit flat but improved massively and ended on a high, should be up there
Macedonia Did nothing for me, the bald dude on guitar actually annoyed me for some reason.
Croatia Song was called crazy, she looked a bit cray cray (dress was good ) & music just seemed to jar with the lyrics
Austria Very Aloe Blaac (I need a dollar) – Could do well
Greece Good tune, very traditional Greece
Finland Very strong contender
Armenia Native language just isn’t going to cut it, especially if your native language is Armenian
Switzerland Weird incestuous brother/sister act, with your one acting like a cross between Bono & your one from Coyote Ugly, jog on, quickly!
Ireland Sigh, an Ed Sheeran and Sam Smith love child of a song, cynically tapping into the gay Olympics that is the Eurovision with the two male dancers
Cyprus Quality in all aspects!
If I had to pick 10 to go through, in no particular order, it would be
Azerbaijan
Albania
Belgium
Israel
Estonia
Bulgaria
Austria
Greece
Finland
Cyprus
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Originally posted by eamonhonda View PostWould doubt that.
What I was wondering is what would stop whoever is funding those ads just donating to the cause/company directly, and they purchase ads? Is it possible it might make no difference?
Not sure how much of a deterrent the regs are either way.
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Originally posted by Strewelpeter View PostI've a daughter who has been living in the UK for 10 months now and is committed to working there for another 12. She is coming home to vote. if she doesn't come home at the end of her contract will she have committed a crime?
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Originally posted by jack90210 View PostYes she has committed a crime on the day she votes as it isn't her intention to return within 18 months.I hold silver in tit for tat, and I love you for that
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Originally posted by jack90210 View PostYes she has committed a crime on the day she votes as it isn't her intention to return within 18 months.
If you want a test case I'd guess that she'd be more than willing.
Good luck in figuring out what her intentions are and bringing them as an argument to court.
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My sister is the same, moved over to the UK in December, coming home next week to vote before she goes to Europe and on to OZ/NZ
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Originally posted by Strewelpeter View PostAre you deliberately misreading my post or are you just gone obsessional about mythical voter fraud?
Section 11(3) of the Electoral Act, 1992 says you have to be "ordinarily resident" and then have to intend to return within 18 months of "giving up" that residence.
Except "ordinarily resident" is never defined in the Electoral Act, 1992. Nor in the Interpretation Act, 2005. For tax purposes you only lose "ordinary resident" status in the fourth year after you leave. So, let's assume that is a decent guide, you have to form the intention to return between your 37th and 54th month outside the country. So four and a half years or so. I'm not giving out legal advice here by the by, just pointing out that it's not quite as Jackie boy might have you believe.
There's no electoral fraud going on. We have left the door open because democracy is about participation - not disenfranchisement. Our democracy was impaired when we restricted the franchise to protestants only, or landowners, or just men. Democracy is about a buy in by society to its governance. Jack is full of shit when he yearns for a pure referendum we can all just trust in.You are technically correct...the best kind of correct
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Originally posted by shrapnel View Postno idea why, but makes them a good bet for top 10, as they've never finished outside of it
Originally posted by jack90210 View PostYes she has committed a crime on the day she votes as it isn't her intention to return within 18 months.
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Originally posted by Kayroo View PostYou want to know the silliest part of Jackie's whole bit on voter fraud?
Section 11(3) of the Electoral Act, 1992 says you have to be "ordinarily resident" and then have to intend to return within 18 months of "giving up" that residence.
Except "ordinarily resident" is never defined in the Electoral Act, 1992. Nor in the Interpretation Act, 2005. For tax purposes you only lose "ordinary resident" status in the fourth year after you leave. So, let's assume that is a decent guide, you have to form the intention to return between your 37th and 54th month outside the country. So four and a half years or so. I'm not giving out legal advice here by the by, just pointing out that it's not quite as Jackie boy might have you believe.
There's no electoral fraud going on. We have left the door open because democracy is about participation - not disenfranchisement. Our democracy was impaired when we restricted the franchise to protestants only, or landowners, or just men. Democracy is about a buy in by society to its governance. Jack is full of shit when he yearns for a pure referendum we can all just trust in.
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Originally posted by Kayroo View PostYou want to know the silliest part of Jackie's whole bit on voter fraud?
Section 11(3) of the Electoral Act, 1992 says you have to be "ordinarily resident" and then have to intend to return within 18 months of "giving up" that residence.
Except "ordinarily resident" is never defined in the Electoral Act, 1992. Nor in the Interpretation Act, 2005. For tax purposes you only lose "ordinary resident" status in the fourth year after you leave. So, let's assume that is a decent guide, you have to form the intention to return between your 37th and 54th month outside the country. So four and a half years or so. I'm not giving out legal advice here by the by, just pointing out that it's not quite as Jackie boy might have you believe.
There's no electoral fraud going on. We have left the door open because democracy is about participation - not disenfranchisement. Our democracy was impaired when we restricted the franchise to protestants only, or landowners, or just men. Democracy is about a buy in by society to its governance. Jack is full of shit when he yearns for a pure referendum we can all just trust in.Last edited by jack90210; 09-05-18, 09:03.
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Planning application controversy reported in the times today, I had some sympathy to the objectors case, maybe its out of character with the area but then again we need to build upwards and if not Kilternan then where? Most of the objectors arguments are pure nimby and I was all for the development until I read this line about the developer: Mr Kavanagh, the self-described “Ronaldo of the property market”
He can just GTFO with his manky looking apartmentsTurning millions into thousands
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Originally posted by Strewelpeter View PostWhat I half heard over the weekend...something about Trump going to the NRA, anointing Ollie North as their leader while mocking French terrorism victims and making childish pretend gunfire gestures then making up lies about knife crime in London... all that was a comedy sketch and not reality... wasn't itEnjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.
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How would 'intend to return' be defined legally.
It seems a very non-legal concept really - like there's lots and lots of stuff I genuinely intended to do in the last 18 months but I never made a single move towards doing them.
Would posting in a cv for an implausible job (head of google Ireland or somesuch) be enough proof that you had a genuine intention to return home in the unlikely event that the electoral fraud unit swooped on the #hometovote people.
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If the earth is flat why has no-one set up observation points on the edges where we can just look into space from the sides?
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Originally posted by ArmaniJeans View PostHow would 'intend to return' be defined legally.
It seems a very non-legal concept really - like there's lots and lots of stuff I genuinely intended to do in the last 18 months but I never made a single move towards doing them.
Would posting in a cv for an implausible job (head of google Ireland or somesuch) be enough proof that you had a genuine intention to return home in the unlikely event that the electoral fraud unit swooped on the #hometovote people.
Nobody in their right mind takes any of it too seriously!
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Originally posted by Ed View PostIt's because you can't get all the way to the edge, there's a wall and the government/Soros/Rothschilds/clintons will stop you and disappear you
That's why they made up global warming so, to hide the real reason for all the tidal waves!
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Originally posted by Elshambles View PostIs the wall the reason for all the big tidal waves over the last few years?
That's why they made up global warming so, to hide the real reason for all the tidal waves!
Well the wall didn't cause the tidal waves, it's whatever experiments they're definitely doing on the other side of the wall that caused them. There's probably a team of voter fraud experts over there too
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It's probably why the seas have risen as well, the water used to have further to spread out.
Atlantis is probably outside the wall, that would explain a lot!
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Originally posted by Strewelpeter View PostPlanning application controversy reported in the times today, I had some sympathy to the objectors case, maybe its out of character with the area but then again we need to build upwards and if not Kilternan then where? Most of the objectors arguments are pure nimby and I was all for the development until I read this line about the developer: Mr Kavanagh, the self-described “Ronaldo of the property market”
He can just GTFO with his manky looking apartments
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Originally posted by ionapaul View PostDefinitely not Kilternan FFS, it's so rural around the proposed development it's more country than Dublin, even if it is in Dublin 18 (as is Glencullen I believe). It's crazy enough to see the apartment blocks up around Stepaside, and then the reluctance of various NIMBYs to have the same in vast swathes much closer to the city centre. Start by building more apartment blocks in Ballsbridge, Donnybrook, Terenure, etc... and come out to Kilternan in 50 years or so
But you are still a NimbyTurning millions into thousands
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Originally posted by jack90210 View PostNo other sources I've read interpreted the provisions of the Electoral Act the same as the Taxation Acts but if that's your view so be it.
And I wasn't interpreting it "the same as the Taxation Acts". I was actually pointing to the fact that neither "ordinarily residency" nor "gives up that residency" have a definition in the Act and therefore normal rules of statutory interpretation apply, such as harmonious interpretation with other Acts of the Oireachtas. But I am sure your other written sources can offer a good counterpoint.
So let's have them Jack. Links, citations, whatever works best for you.You are technically correct...the best kind of correct
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Originally posted by jack90210 View PostNo other sources I've read interpreted the provisions of the Electoral Act the same as the Taxation Acts but if that's your view so be it.
But we can't ignore that it specifically says "ordinarily resident" and not just "resident". The logical inference is that ordinarily is there for a reason.
What do you think that is?
Originally posted by ArmaniJeans View PostHow would 'intend to return' be defined legally.
It seems a very non-legal concept really - like there's lots and lots of stuff I genuinely intended to do in the last 18 months but I never made a single move towards doing them.
When I left, it was my intention to return after a year or two. By year 4, it was still my intention at some point. I suppose buying property over here is concrete evidence against any intention.
Last I checked I was still on the register.
Would posting in a cv for an implausible job (head of google Ireland or somesuch) be enough proof that you had a genuine intention to return home in the unlikely event that the electoral fraud unit swooped on the #hometovote people.
a written statement by a person that he intends to resume residence within eighteen months after giving it up shall, in the absence of evidence to the contrary, be accepted as a correct statement.Last edited by Mellor; 09-05-18, 11:02.
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Originally posted by ionapaul View PostDefinitely not Kilternan FFS, it's so rural around the proposed development it's more country than Dublin, even if it is in Dublin 18 (as is Glencullen I believe). It's crazy enough to see the apartment blocks up around Stepaside, and then the reluctance of various NIMBYs to have the same in vast swathes much closer to the city centre. Start by building more apartment blocks in Ballsbridge, Donnybrook, Terenure, etc... and come out to Kilternan in 50 years or so
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Originally posted by Kayroo View PostAh excellent! Written sources. Let's have them so.
And I wasn't interpreting it "the same as the Taxation Acts". I was actually pointing to the fact that neither "ordinarily residency" nor "gives up that residency" have a definition in the Act and therefore normal rules of statutory interpretation apply, such as harmonious interpretation with other Acts of the Oireachtas. But I am sure your other written sources can offer a good counterpoint.
So let's have them Jack. Links, citations, whatever works best for you.
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