Bad beat/Moaning/Venting thread - Mammy told me not to come.

[newbie2]

Sorry Emmet, I don't want that linked here. Legal stuff and all, but I want to play it safe here, so no videos or names please.

named on RTE.ie/news

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2017/1120/921370-leeds/

[newbie2]

Just watched the video. had to laugh when the guy couldn't say if the dick pic was his or not! like most lads would know their own in the dark i'd say

I'd have to send my pic over two texts. - too much data for one.

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[hotspur]

What is it in the legislation that makes it illegal if there was no 13 year old girl involved?

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[Guest]

One thing that I wondered about. Is how exactly do they get people on the hook with these fake profiles. Makes sense if there is a specific target obviously. But when they are just general jailbaiting, where exactly do they hang out on Facebook.


Edit: Obviously this isn't a question for google

I wondered the same when I saw the video SP is referring to.
I don't know how they find their targets. As you said it's hardly a matter of adding every person they cross in a certain age profile.
I would also imagine the construction of a profile must quite a long process especially if you're to fool someone who is clearly somewhat intelligent.

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[ArmaniJeans]

What is it in the legislation that makes it illegal if there was no 13 year old girl involved?

The charges are "attempting to meet a child under 16 following grooming, and attempting to court or incite a girl aged 13 to 15 to engage in sexual activity".

Key word being 'attempting', makes it pretty easy to frame legislation such that the victim doesn't actually have to exist.

[Dice75]

Not that its related to the topic, but the Irish age of consent being 17 is mad. 14/15 is standard across nearly everywhere else in Europe. Tom Humphries would have just had a fun story to tell down the pub in nearly every other country in Europe.

If a 50+yo dude was taking your daughter in all holes after she just turned 14 would you be happy, legal or not?

[Denny Crane]

What is it in the legislation that makes it illegal if there was no 13 year old girl involved?

From what I remember someone was previously prosecuted in Ireland for purchasing parsley that was sold as cannabis.

More about the mens rea and intended actus rea rather than actually outcome I'm guessing.

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[MrsFlushdraw]

Really?!

Not sure what the really part is for? having a laugh at him or guys knowing their own dicks!

[Wesley Harms]

What is it in the legislation that makes it illegal if there was no 13 year old girl involved?

What are they actually charging him with considering there was no girl involved. Obv a sicko but it’s just entrapment surely. Will they need more to nail him

[MrsFlushdraw]

This is why the age will never be changed to a more normal age in line with puberty like most countries

The issue isn't whether you'd be happy with it, its whether that it makes someone deserving of a number of years in jail and eternal banishment from society.

Plus the main effect is to criminalise normal sexual activity between young people.

As with all these things, if most other normal countries say its okay and Ireland is an outlier its probably that Ireland is doing something wrong.

I don't have as big an issue with under 17's engaging is sexual activities if it is with someone their own age. But when that age goes right up then I think it is wrong. Saying that, I would not be happy to hear my 16yo was out riding anyone at her age.

Kids experiment, I understand that, but when the other person is a good bit older you have to ask questions imo.

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[Mellor]

Not that its related to the topic, but the Irish age of consent being 17 is mad. 14/15 is standard across nearly everywhere else in Europe. Tom Humphries would have just had a fun story to tell down the pub in nearly every other country in Europe.

17 might be slightly conservative. But it's vastly superior to 14. Imagine some child on their 14 birthday in the sac with a 54 year old popping viagras like smarties.

I also think youre exaggerating saying everywhere else is 14/15. UK is definitely 16, and I'd be willing to bet it's the top answer.

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[hotspur]

I also think youre exaggerating saying everywhere else is 14/15. UK is definitely 16, and I'd be willing to bet it's the top answer.

It is interesting that there isn't uniformity among industrialised Western countries. And ironic that it is 18 in Vatican City. I guess they just can't get hard if it's legal there.

[Mellor]

Just checked wiki. The most common age of consent for European countries is 16.
Hitch are you talking bollox again?

[Lazare]

From what I remember someone was previously prosecuted in Ireland for purchasing parsley that was sold as cannabis.

More about the mens rea and intended actus rea rather than actually outcome I'm guessing.

When they brought in that 10 year term for possession of cocaine worth 10k or more I always wondered why nobody argued that only about 10% of it actually was cocaine. The other 90% of it perfectly legal.

Maybe that's why.

[Mellor]

Just checked wiki. The most common age of consent for European countries is 16.
Hitch are you talking bollox again?

[MrsFlushdraw]

the guys knowing their own dicks in a lineup part!

I would really have thought you of all people would know what their dick looked like if you got a photo of it

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[Mellor]

When they brought in that 10 year term for possession of cocaine worth 10k or more I always wondered why nobody argued that only about 10% of it actually was cocaine. The other 90% of it perfectly legal.

Maybe that's why.

Probably because even if only 10% is actually cocaine, it is still worth $10k.
The above arguement only works if the law specifies a weight.

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[MrsFlushdraw]

Did you read the sentence on the wiki page literally saying:



17 countries in EU have age 14 or 15.

8 have 16.

3 have 17 or 18.

Had no idea that Malta was 18! So you can drink alcohol at 17 but not have sex? Underage sex here is rife then as they are well known to be our roiding at a young age here. And they tend to marry pretty young too!

Malta 18 16 with parental consent, specifically for "a person who is subject to paternal authority or to tutorship". (However if this is unattainable, the court can provide the consent.)

So they can get married at 16( With permission), the following year they can celebrate their marriage with a drink and then finally when they are married 2 years they can have a ride! haha

[Mellor]

No 14/15 is the top answer by far in europe. Wiki has a page on it. Which makes sense as puberty starts around 13..

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe

14 = 15 countries
15 = 12 countries
16 = 20 countries
17 = 2 countries
18 = 3 countries


16 is the top answer by the above

[Denny Crane]

I'd imagine the vast majority of 14 year olds wouldn't find that appealing. But if they did, its hard to see who is being harmed. What is more likely is that a 14 year old might like an 18 year old. And putting that 18 year old in jail and ruining his/her life forever seems horrific.

14yo doesn't have the capacity to consent, it's like an extremely drunk person.

Sure let teens or teens within x years, but can't see any reason to change the age of consent for older adults.

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[Mellor]

Did you read the sentence on the wiki page literally saying:



17 countries in EU have age 14 or 15.

8 have 16.

3 have 17 or 18.

Subtle goalpost shift to "EU" there Hitch. Seamless.

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[Mellor]

Your including all the weird euro countries in that list. I was referring to the normal EU countries, as per my list above. We compare ourselves to eu usually.

But you said Europe, I said Europe. The EU is something else which excludes Norway and the Swiss, both of whom make more sense as a comparison than say Romania or Bulgaria.

. And ironic that it is 18 in Vatican City. I guess they just can't get hard if it's legal there.

Vatican City was 12 up until 2013 or so. Poor Francie increased it to 18

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[Denny Crane]

17 of our 28 eu friend countries say 14/15 year olds do have the capacity to consent. So clearly this isn't a widely held opinion.

I really don't - and I must emphasise this! - am not arguing in favour of more 14 year olds getting it on. I'm just saying the idea that someone is automatically a person who needs to go to jail for a lot of years and be chased around by gangs of 'concerned' residents if they sleep with someone under 17 is not an automatically justified rule. It's a very particular and unusual Irish perspective.

Hitch gonna Hitch

The age of consent in Germany is 14, as long as a person over the age of 21 does not exploit a 14- to 15-year-old person's lack of capacity for sexual self-determination, in which case a conviction of an individual over the age of 21 requires a complaint from the younger individual; being over 21 and engaging in sexual relations with a minor of that age does not constitute an offense by itself. Otherwise the age of consent is 16,

However, Section 207b[11] of the penal code contains an exception to the general age of consent: if one of the partners is younger than 16 years of age and "not sufficiently mature to understand the significance of the act", then the act is punishable.

The age of consent in Bulgaria is 14, as specified by Articles 149 and 151 (1). However Article 151 (2) has a provision for those who are over 14 and do "not understand the characteristics or the importance of the act."

Section 223, part 1, reads: "Any person who has sexual intercourse with any child under 18, who is said person's adopted child, stepchild or foster child, or who is entrusted to said person for education or upbringing, will be liable to imprisonment for any term not exceeding four years." This applies, e.g., to teachers. Further, part 2 of § 223 establishes that the same punishment is applicable to any person found to have grossly exploited their age- and experience based superiority over a person under the age of 18 to seduce said minor into intercourse.

Although the age of consent is stipulated at 14 in Portugal, the legality of sexual acts with a minor between 14 and 16 is open to legal interpretation since the law states that it is illegal to perform a sexual act with an adolescent between 14 and 16 years old "by taking advantage of their inexperience".

[Lazare]

Probably because even if only 10% is actually cocaine, it is still worth $10k.
The above arguement only works if the law specifies a weight.

But the weight determines the value. For arguments sake let's say 100g of cocaine has a street value of €10k. And you were caught in possesion of that. Surely you could argue that you were only actually in possession of roughly 10g of cocaine.

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[Denny Crane]

Your post said 14 year olds don't have the capacity to consent. The very fact that it is normally allowed shows the law views they generally have the capacity to consent.

That the countries that have that age as their consent have large caveats, shows that it isn't normal Hitch.

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[Strewelpeter]

That the countries that have that age as their consent have large caveats, shows that it isn't normal Hitch.

The caveats sound like they are constructed to say 14 year old slappers are ok but innocent young wans are off limits

[dobby]

Hitch I thought you were a dirty fucker when you suggested showering twice a week was ok but the fact you think riding 14 year olds is OK is a brand new low. Even for this place

[Charlie Sheen]

Not that its related to the topic, but the Irish age of consent being 17 is mad. 14/15 is standard across nearly everywhere else in Europe. Tom Humphries would have just had a fun story to tell down the pub in nearly every other country in Europe.

Think Raoul's sig covers the reason for this

'We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks'

[CHDad]

Can an administrator verify my xLucy2004x account please.

Ive pms to send.

[eamonhonda]

Are you aware that everything you just posted says 14 year olds may in some circumstances not have the capacity to consent, but not that they don't have the capacity to consent?

Your post said 14 year olds don't have the capacity to consent. The very fact that it is normally allowed shows the law views they generally have the capacity to consent.

I sometimes wonder about your ability to comprehend the things you read!

I'm pretty sure countries with consent age that low doesn't count between 14 and an adult. It's between two teenagers close in age. That's what I've always thought must be getting it from somewhere.

[Wesley Harms]

Hitch I thought you were a dirty fucker when you suggested showering twice a week was ok but the fact you think riding 14 year olds is OK is a brand new low. Even for this place

Don’t often agree with anyone but this is spot on. He is surely trolling.

[Solksjaer!]

Think Raoul's sig covers the reason for this

'We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks'

Ole ole ole , good girl Sharon.

[The Situation]

Not that its related to the topic, but the Irish age of consent being 17 is mad. 14/15 is standard across nearly everywhere else in Europe. Tom Humphries would have just had a fun story to tell down the pub in nearly every other country in Europe.

I don't think anyone anywhere would find that a fun story regardless of relative legalities in countries.

[Guest]

The reaction is even more bizarre (or maybe explains the statement), people basically tweeting him "ul mate, sure it was just a laugh, fuck the begrudgers".

What happens the likes of him and CK now, tough to see them ever working in the business again?

Actually seeing some of the defending of him going on along with the silence from some of the people who are normally first to get the pitchforks out I’m not so sure that he is finished
He’ll give it a while then do a big spread in the sindo about his mental health and eventually get back on air
There absolutely has to be bigger fish to fall in the Irish media though I’d imagine

[Keane]

Proof if ever twas needed that this fetish about how 'Europe' does everything the best is fucking stupid.

I'm ambivalent about the pun.

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[eamonhonda]

Hitch was saying riding young ones is ok in the same tone Denny says Trumps a genius. We're ok

[eamonhonda]

No. It's normally just 14 or 15 full stop, with exceptions as Denny pointed out if there is abuse of position or power.

Madness

[jack90210]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages...sent_in_Europe


14 = 15 countries
15 = 12 countries
16 = 20 countries
17 = 2 countries
18 = 3 countries


16 is the top answer by the above

Be careful or you will be accused of zooming to far into the facts!

Best statement in all this was Europe is not always right. Sometimes we are right, France doesn’t even technically have an age of consent for consensual sex according to a recent court case and politicians there are arguing for 13.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41966245

[elbows]

Thought the rule was half your age and add 6

[DeadParrot]

What's the story behind the rte guy? How was that sting orchestrated?

[eamonhonda]

Thought the rule was half your age and add 6

7 in my day ye dirty bastards

[elbows]

7 in my day ye dirty bastards

Did you round up