Bad beat/Moaning/Venting thread - Mammy told me not to come.

[Strewelpeter]

even quicker is to boil the water in the kettle first, then transfer

If they are not already doing that they are beyond help

[Solksjaer!]

Watched the Irishmen finally. Was good . The fight scenes are hilarious though . Borderline parody imo

I found the crazy Joe part interesting . Only copped it was the Joey penned by Bob Dylan.

[Solksjaer!]

A big mouth is handy for puking.

Not great when there's nothing to puke . Knew this forking bug was going to get me as I was last man standing . Fasted for 2 days but my body still tried to eject stuff. Day off work watching movies then sprinting . Great interval training.

[Wombatman]

First min a bit of fun....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmmVD_YrK-Y

[Emmet]

Yesla

[Lao Lao]

even quicker is to boil the water in the kettle first, then transfer

This!

I was reading down the posts thinking, who the fuck boils water in a pot??

[Solksjaer!]

This!

I was reading down the posts thinking, who the fuck boils water in a pot??

Health an safety
I'll boil me eggs in a pot .

[ArmaniJeans]

Candidate in Tipperary dies, and in surely one of the most strange bits of legislation on the books, the election in that constituency won't go ahead until a later date.

[RichieM]

even quicker is to boil the water in the kettle first, then transfer

My mum had her kitchen done up and put in a tap that runs through an element and is always boiling water. If I didn’t have a baby who would end up scalded I would definitely get one.

[Strewelpeter]

Mary Lou: 'I'm going to get a United Ireland and the Brits are going to pay for it'

Decent LOL

[hotspur]

Mary Lou: 'I'm going to get a United Ireland and the Brits are going to pay for it'

Decent LOL

I thought she was very good. Why did they only have those interviews at 30 minutes long and then have to fly through everything at a million miles an hour?

[Lazare]

I thought she was very good. Why did they only have those interviews at 30 minutes long and then have to fly through everything at a million miles an hour?

Where was it? Radio?

[Wombatman]

Tesla up 17% today

[paul8200]

Tesla up 17% today

and I believe it has way more to go...... in the coming years

[hotspur]

Where was it? Radio?

No, TV. RTE 1 @7pm.

[Wombatman]

and I believe it has way more to go...... in the coming years

$765 today will be $7000 by 2024

https://ark-invest.com/research/tesla-price-target

[Theresa]

First min a bit of fun....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmmVD_YrK-Y

Was at this game. Was excellent, besides the scoreline.

[Strewelpeter]

My mum had her kitchen done up and put in a tap that runs through an element and is always boiling water. If I didn’t have a baby who would end up scalded I would definitely get one.

We have one at work made by Billi and the hot tap has a sensor designed to require you use two hands to start it flowing, those models cost too much though something like 4K installed

[paul8200]

$765 today will be $7000 by 2024

https://ark-invest.com/research/tesla-price-target

AI - will be first to real autonomous - has billions of miles of data, closest competitor has millions
SpaceX - technology sharing such as large welds meaning less weak points and stronger and lighter chassis and frames
Tesla insurance - just underwriting his software which he believes in
Solar - will become big
Robotaxis - Uber killer
battery innovation - leading the way
software options - with hardware installed anyway the scale here brings in big money
trucks and haulage - next big venture, AI can now get trucks to just tailgate each other - meaning massive efficiency gains vs driving hours for humans even ignoring the fuel savings
others
Superchargers - massive investment and becoming another 'power' utility
data - how many crimes will be evidenced by a Tesla as their market grows.
- selling consumer behavior data
pace of innovation - has made them what they are today re software updates in days following good customer suggestions

risks - yes there will be fuck ups - accidents that become high profile - however these are limited since we all know what fuck ups around the world get behind a wheel today

[newbie2]

SF - 25%
FF - 23%
FG - 20%
GP - 8%

[Guest]

AI - will be first to real autonomous - has billions of miles of data, closest competitor has millions
SpaceX - technology sharing such as large welds meaning less weak points and stronger and lighter chassis and frames
Tesla insurance - just underwriting his software which he believes in
Solar - will become big
Robotaxis - Uber killer
battery innovation - leading the way
software options - with hardware installed anyway the scale here brings in big money
trucks and haulage - next big venture, AI can now get trucks to just tailgate each other - meaning massive efficiency gains vs driving hours for humans even ignoring the fuel savings
others
Superchargers - massive investment and becoming another 'power' utility
data - how many crimes will be evidenced by a Tesla as their market grows.
- selling consumer behavior data
pace of innovation - has made them what they are today re software updates in days following good customer suggestions

risks - yes there will be fuck ups - accidents that become high profile - however these are limited since we all know what fuck ups around the world get behind a wheel today

We are at least a generation away from autonomous cars to the masses.

Tesla has billions of miles of what data that their competitors don't have?
Tesla delivered 360,000 units or so in 2019 and own 1.3% of the US automotive market.
Even if they did possess more data than their rivals, how long would it take rivals to catch up if some have 10x the market share?

[Strewelpeter]

the long term irredentist goals of Sinn Fein, along with their original position on abortion is hardly the position of progressives.

New word for me, doesn't happen too often these days good one too, cheers.

irredentist
/ˌɪrɪˈdɛntɪst/

noun

a person advocating the restoration to their country of any territory formerly belonging to it.
HISTORICAL
(in 19th-century Italian politics) an advocate of the return to Italy of all Italian-speaking districts subject to other countries

[Ed]

Finally got to see Parasite. Was worth the wait. Have seen all but one of the Oscar best picture nominees (marriage story) and it's easily my favourite

[Solksjaer!]

How dja attach an image I forget.

[Guest]

New word for me, doesn't happen too often these days good one too, cheers.

Reading a fantastic book on the events that led to the great war called Sleepwalkers and he has me on my toes with lots of words, he uses that regularly, it is a good one tbf.

[Strewelpeter]

Does the higher share price directly help Tesla get more product on the streets ?

[paul8200]

We are at least a generation away from autonomous cars to the masses.

Tesla has billions of miles of what data that their competitors don't have?
Tesla delivered 360,000 units or so in 2019 and own 1.3% of the US automotive market.
Even if they did possess more data than their rivals, how long would it take rivals to catch up if some have 10x the market share?

each to their own. those that have 10x market share have not been innovating. let it play out.

tesla sell everything they can make. scaling will be interesting. could toyota build a factory to production using new lines in 10 months?

[Guest]

each to their own. those that have 10x market share have not been innovating. let it play out.

tesla sell everything they can make. scaling will be interesting. could toyota build a factory to production using new lines in 10 months?

Do they need to?

I suspect their resources could be better directed elsewhere given they're already in place.

[paul8200]

Do they need to?

I suspect their resources could be better directed elsewhere given they're already in place.

if they start building the cars of the future they will -

Tesla is the first non Chinese majority owned company to build a large factory there - in the worlds biggest car market, with all of the advantages that does with locally produced

Are you arguing Toyota will be larger than Tesla in 5 years?

[ArmaniJeans]

How dja attach an image I forget.

The 14th button from the left on the row above where you type. Its like a mountain with the sun over it.

[Denny Crane]

Does the higher share price directly help Tesla get more product on the streets ?

Means they can raise easier, they were close to El Busto not too long ago.

The list of advantages people give to Tesla is impressive until you look into them.

The data they've collected is mostly useless, and their approach for autonomous driving is way behind the likes of Waymo and Ford. FSD has just been a way to con their customers into providing cheap working capital.

Solar City was a fraudulent product.

And Tesla insurance only exists because insurance companies don't want to insure them.

[DeadParrot]

The 14th button from the left on the row above where you type. Its like a mountain with the sun over it.

I've an imgur guide somewhere...

here

http://www.irishpokerboards.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1097990&postcount=52719

[Raoul Duke III]

SF - 25%
FF - 23%
FG - 20%
GP - 8%

Won't translate into either votes or seats. I see the FF'er calling SF 'Trumpist' on de telly which is both ironic and true

[DeadParrot]

SF - 25%
FF - 23%
FG - 20%
GP - 8%

the 20% indos is gonna be interesting there...

[Guest]

if they start building the cars of the future they will -

Tesla is the first non Chinese majority owned company to build a large factory there - in the worlds biggest car market, with all of the advantages that does with locally produced

Are you arguing Toyota will be larger than Tesla in 5 years?

Where did I say that? You brought up Toyota.

I asked about the data because I don't understand what data you're referring to and how others can't obtain similar.

Also, I question how valuable being a leader in AI is given I suspect we're a generation away from it's widespread application.

That said, Toyota does have a 30% bigger market cap than Tesla so probably a pretty safe bet that they'll be bigger in 5 years as of today.

[ArmaniJeans]

Won't translate into either votes or seats.

25% would be theoretically 40 seats but they are only standing 42 candidates so it's almost impossible for it to turn into seats alright.
Even with some normal fall-off on the day it does suggest they will have near enough to gain a quota in most constituencies. Something like 19% is a lock in 4 and 5 seaters.
Fwiw they opinion-polled 14.9% in the last Irish Times poll in 2016 and got 13.8% on the day, so the fall-off may not be as great as we might think.

[paul8200]

Where did I say that? You brought up Toyota.

I asked about the data because I don't understand what data you're referring to and how others can't obtain similar.

Also, I question how valuable being a leader in AI is given I suspect we're a generation away from it's widespread application.

That said, Toyota does have a 30% bigger market cap than Tesla so probably a pretty safe bet that they'll be bigger in 5 years as of today.

for every bear there is a bull. that's fine.

the data is their sensor and camera data re billions of miles driven, which puts everyone else way behind. and they are not locked into location maps like others either. it's real world.

that sounds like a 50 yoyo bet re Tesla vs Toyota if you fancy

[Guest]

for every bear there is a bull. that's fine.

the data is their sensor and camera data re billions of miles driven, which puts everyone else way behind. and they are not locked into location maps like others either. it's real world.

that sounds like a 50 yoyo bet re Tesla vs Toyota if you fancy

No thanks, 50e bets five years out on a subject I'm not privy about is not of interest to me.

On the point above, the "billions of miles of data" seem irrelevant to me if others can catch up rather quickly given their current market share.

I know Denny is very knowledgable on the subject and if he thinks Ford is way ahead in the domain of autonomous driving, I'm happy enough to accept that given you didn't give me an answer.

[Hectorjelly]

I know Denny is very knowledgable on the subject

He must have made millions shorting them recently

[Keane]

25% would be theoretically 40 seats but they are only standing 42 candidates so it's almost impossible for it to turn into seats alright.
Even with some normal fall-off on the day it does suggest they will have near enough to gain a quota in most constituencies. Something like 19% is a lock in 4 and 5 seaters.
Fwiw they opinion-polled 14.9% in the last Irish Times poll in 2016 and got 13.8% on the day, so the fall-off may not be as great as we might think.

I'm always cautious with this stuff due to the Nate Silver maxim that whenever pundits with no special information confidently proclaim the polls to be wrong the polls end up being wrong in the opposite direction to the one confidently proclaimed.

You would think the polling companies have been attempting to adjust their results for the SF underperform/FF overperform.

[ComradeCollie]

I know Denny is very knowledgable on the subject and if he thinks Ford is way ahead in the domain of autonomous driving, I'm happy enough to accept that

I don't think it's possible to be very knowledgeable on the topic really. I think it's mostly based on whether you think Musk is a genius or a chancer. I'm firmly in the chancer (and a not very impressive example) camp. Though I'm still amazed that Apple ever became more than a niche company for ponces.

[Guest]

He must have made millions shorting them recently

Same as any form of gambling where you have an edge I guess, variance is inevitable.
It's Denny's field and he has clearly done the research to support his position irrespective of the outcome.

As Collie rightly said, predicting the madness of crowds is near to impossible.

I have no issue with Musk & Tesla going to the moon both figuratively and literally, there was just nothing in what Paul said/showed that made me think Tesla has an edge not easily diminished.

I think we might not live to see the widespread application of autonomous cars given that even in the event the tech existed, it would require widespread application so that humans wouldn't interfere, government's would need to agree in light of millions being out of work, it's a mammoth political task let alone technological.

Also, on the superior volume of data that Tesla has, I think it can be easy caught up with because other companies cumulatively drive far greater distances than Tesla based on current market share. If the tech exists(is better according to Denny) for someone like Ford, they can catch up with Tesla at an exponential rate.

[The Situation]

There should be an inquest into the manner in which Irish Times conducts their surveys. They had Peter Casey at 2% for a long time in the presidential election with a small margin of error. SF figures seem wildly inflated this time, like all the people were sampled in a dole queue in Ballymun.

[Hectorjelly]

Same as any form of gambling where you have an edge I guess, variance is inevitable.
It's Denny's field and he has clearly done the research to support his position irrespective of the outcome.

As Collie rightly said, predicting the madness of crowds is near to impossible.

I have no issue with Musk & Tesla going to the moon both figuratively and literally, there was just nothing in what Paul said/showed that made me think Tesla has an edge not easily diminished.

I think we might not live to see the widespread application of autonomous cars given that even in the event the tech existed, it would require widespread application so that humans wouldn't interfere, government's would need to agree in light of millions being out of work, it's a mammoth political task let alone technological.

Also, on the superior volume of data that Tesla has, I think it can be easy caught up with because other companies cumulatively drive far greater distances than Tesla based on current market share. If the tech exists(is better according to Denny) for someone like Ford, they can catch up with Tesla at an exponential rate.

I don't have any opinion on Tesla as such, I think it's unlikely anyone person could develop an opinion that would be worth much, even if you devoted your entire life to it. What you certainly can do, and I think Denny and Paul are guilty of, is developing an opinion based on a relatively small amount of information and then using confirmation bias to cement that opinion into their psyche. The sad thing is one of them will turn out to be right and will think it validates their reasoning.

Just on the autonomous driving, I think we will see it - you're right about the large impact, but as a species we always introduce new technology and worry about the consequences afterwards, I doubt this time will be any different.

The whole TESLA thing is quite a story, I'm sure it will be an incredible story for future generations, either folly or genius.

Elon recently released a track: Don't doubt your vibe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xx9BHU8qZ6c

[ArmaniJeans]

There should be an inquest into the manner in which Irish Times conducts their surveys. They had Peter Casey at 2% for a long time in the presidential election with a small margin of error. SF figures seem wildly inflated this time, like all the people were sampled in a dole queue in Ballymun.

It's done by IPSOS for the Irish Times, the paper doesn't do it themselves.
IPSOS have been around for decades and seem to have a decent reputation (though I know little about the industry and it could be very corrupt)

[Strewelpeter]

Though I'm still amazed that Apple ever became more than a niche company for ponces.

Apple remain, as they always were, a niche company for ponces.

Ponces are just about the biggest demographic on the planet and Apple own that niche

[Hectorjelly]

Vietnam certaily know how to deal with the bankers:

https://www.pri.org/stories/2014-04-03/vietnam-sentencing-corrupt-bankers-death-firing-squad?fbclid=IwAR1_7Zwe9D9NXOqchxyBmkrlmdJDc6WDgHQLI7u30AmjSCjgcMNAP7ocOcY

[Denny Crane]

What you certainly can do, and I think Denny and Paul are guilty of, is developing an opinion based on a relatively small amount of information and then using confirmation bias to cement that opinion into their psyche.

How much information are you basing that opinion on?

[Denny Crane]

Blast from the past:

http://web.archive.org/web/20061205220844/http://www.theterrorist.org/old/index.html

[Denny Crane]

Blast from the past:

http://web.archive.org/web/20061205220844/http://www.theterrorist.org/old/index.html

[Goodluck2me]

Blast from the past:

http://web.archive.org/web/200612052...old/index.html

Link doesn’t work?

Vietnam certaily know how to deal with the bankers:

https://www.pri.org/stories/2014-04-...CjgcMNAP7ocOcY

Another indictment of the country.

[Hectorjelly]

Link doesn’t work?


Another indictment of the country.

Which country?

[Raoul Duke III]

Which country?

Any country that applies the death sentence

[pokerhand]

Any country that applies the death sentence

So you don't think there is any situation where capital punishment is deserved?

[Raoul Duke III]

So you don't think there is any situation where capital punishment is deserved?

It's 2020. Executions are something from the dark ages and countries that allow them are less evolved, not to say barbaric.

Thankfully we live in a more enlightened state.

[pokerhand]

It's 2020. Executions are something from the dark ages and countries that allow them are less evolved, not to say barbaric.

Thankfully we live in a more enlightened state.

Nice politician answer that doesn't actually answer the question.

[hotspur]

So you don't think there is any situation where capital punishment is deserved?

Supporting capital punishment should be punishable by death...

[Kayroo]

So you don't think there is any situation where capital punishment is deserved?

Nope. None.

Even if it is deserved we still should not countenance doing it.

It’s also Ineffective as a deterrent, more expensive than prison (which is really saying something) and the risk of getting it wrong is not worth ever EVER getting it right.

[Solksjaer!]

I've an imgur guide somewhere...

here
http://www.irishpokerboards.com/foru...ostcount=52719

Cheers link broken in that.

Here I'll attach a tweet instead

[Hectorjelly]

It's 2020. Executions are something from the dark ages and countries that allow them are less evolved, not to say barbaric.

Thankfully we live in a more enlightened state.

Remember that next time you are quoting a US President!