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I can kind of understand people competing in a sport slipping into modes of thinking that allows them to find self justification for taking PED's but this is just batshit crazy
Belgian cyclo-cross rider gets six-year ban for motorised bike
Femke van den Driessche used hidden motor in seat tubeTurning millions into thousands
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...Last edited by Hitchhiker's Guide To...; 26-04-16, 20:07."We're not f*cking Burundi" - Big Phil
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Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View PostSo Dice is a troll now?
I vividly remember watching it live on RTE and the aftermath but I suppose I haven't really followed it in any detail with regards to the campaign in the last 27 years.
I'd mistakenly assumed the campaign was mainly focused on the police claims of drunken hoards / smashing down of gates / attacking & stifling police efforts / pilfering etc. I guess the media had put the ticketless fans in my mind & it hadn't been corrected.
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Irish Rail workers getting antsy:
Irish Rail workers are to consider strike action as the unions accuse management at Iarnród Éireann of refusing to take pay claims seriously.
Dublin Bus Drivers are rumoured to be dissatisfied aswell. Maybe the LUAS drivers are banking on everyone being out within a couple of weeks?"Worldly wisdom teaches that it is better for reputation to fail conventionally than to succeed unconventionally." - John Maynard Keynes
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Originally posted by LuckyLloyd View PostIrish Rail workers getting antsy:
Irish Rail workers are to consider strike action as the unions accuse management at Iarnród Éireann of refusing to take pay claims seriously.
Dublin Bus Drivers are rumoured to be dissatisfied aswell. Maybe the LUAS drivers are banking on everyone being out within a couple of weeks?
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Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View PostSo Dice is a troll now?
Dude, how can it not be understood how horrific the coverage of those deaths was. Even to me that's super obvious. And on the day it was judged by a court, after a huge wait, to be unlawful.
Think my interest in it is around the general British elite treatment of poor people. It's always revolves around the idea they are too simple to understand basic things - like queueing instructions - as if they're subhuman. You see this in the current 'welfare state' argument. That poor people are scroungers living of the excellent upper class.
Six of the current UK cabinet all went to the same primary school. I think. Like the same kiddie school, not even uni. UK is so ridic class divided. Coverage of this event just epitomised that.Last edited by The Situation; 26-04-16, 20:26.Profit before people.
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An election fought purely on water charges would be interesting... The intellectual arguments against IW and the current charges amount to Phil Hogan was arrogant in the way he started it and errrm we don't like Dennis O'Brien.
The FF position is completely illogical parish pumpery of the stupidest kind. They seem to want an election on it thoughTurning millions into thousands
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Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View PostCan imagine Lloyd getting public transport into work feeling an erotic thrill that he's paying an extra 20% on the fare in order that the six-week-trained-driver is getting paid €30k more than his highly trained self.
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Originally posted by The Situation View PostIt didn't help the victims cause that the absolutely shameful acts of their fellow fans a few years before in Heysel had them tagged as hooligans in people's eyes, that was a massive national embarrassment to have their clubs banned from Europe for years. When Hillsborough occurred it was thus easier for certain media and those involved to sway the rhetoric down the "they're only thugs" route, as this would have been the first conclusion in a lot of peoples minds.Turning millions into thousands
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Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View PostCan imagine Lloyd getting public transport into work feeling an erotic thrill that he's paying an extra 20% on the fare in order that the six-week-trained-driver is getting paid €30k more than his highly trained self."Worldly wisdom teaches that it is better for reputation to fail conventionally than to succeed unconventionally." - John Maynard Keynes
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Originally posted by Strewelpeter View PostIt would be nice to think that now that this has been dealt with Liverpool fans and the club can finally get around to commemorating Heysel with a similar intensity to the way they do Hillsborough.
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Originally posted by Strewelpeter View PostAn election fought purely on water charges would be interesting... The intellectual arguments against IW and the current charges amount to Phil Hogan was arrogant in the way he started it and errrm we don't like Dennis O'Brien.
The FF position is completely illogical parish pumpery of the stupidest kind. They seem to want an election on it though"Worldly wisdom teaches that it is better for reputation to fail conventionally than to succeed unconventionally." - John Maynard Keynes
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Car alarms keep going off outside :-(This is a Shashka. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN3uhImuy6E Ty Menya Ne Ishi. Ti menya ne stoish. 'Do not look for me you are not worthy of me.'
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Didn't get to find out ultimately who was afraid of Virginia Woolf. Got to the interval, took one sip of my G&T, and turned on my phone to find several frantic messages. Wife had cut herself to the bone while doing the washing-up and got herself carted off to Beaumont bleeding profusely while the neighbour (Zuut's m8) came in to mind the kids. All grand in the end, couple of stitches and she'll be home soon. Kids seem totally unfussed.
Moral of the story: keep your phone off until the end of the show."We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Originally posted by LuckyLloyd View PostA majority of TDs elected on the 26th February were for the abolition of Irish Water. If you can step out of the pro IW / FG bubble that is this thread for two seconds, maybe you'd conclude that such a strategy would be correct from a seat garnering perspective?"We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Originally posted by LuckyLloyd View PostA majority of TDs elected on the 26th February were for the abolition of Irish Water. If you can step out of the pro IW / FG bubble that is this thread for two seconds, maybe you'd conclude that such a strategy would be correct from a seat garnering perspective?
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Originally posted by Emmet View PostWhy don't they abolish it then?"Worldly wisdom teaches that it is better for reputation to fail conventionally than to succeed unconventionally." - John Maynard Keynes
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Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View PostNo room for principles in politics?"Worldly wisdom teaches that it is better for reputation to fail conventionally than to succeed unconventionally." - John Maynard Keynes
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Irish water and the idea of charges for water are two wholly different things. Irish water is messy whatever your thoughts for charges etc.
Because you wish to abolish Irish water does not mean you are against water charges outright. I am against them personally with due respect to all other opinions. But if you are not wholly outright against them you might still see Irish water is disorganized and a bit of a disaster. Some TD's might not like Irish water simply for that fact alone rather than any ideology.
Hello by the way. I am new.This is a Shashka. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN3uhImuy6E Ty Menya Ne Ishi. Ti menya ne stoish. 'Do not look for me you are not worthy of me.'
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The politicians are laughing at us behind closed doors.
They have the majority of people concerned again about 400/year and no talk about the 4000/year in USC charges.
They actually have people funking now for a 5 year rather than 3 year kick the can down the road, they cant even make a proper decision on IW it seems.
Shower of self serving cunts.This too shall pass.
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Originally posted by LuckyLloyd View PostI don't know. Just as I don't know why FF / FG can't get a deal done. The whole thing is beyond me.
If FF really do, they have the opportunity to do so given that majority that you speak of.
But nobody's even suggested that once. Why not?
Is it perhaps because it's just a tad disingenuous to suggest that the majority of TDs elected were anti charges?
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Originally posted by bp_me View PostBecause FG and FF wont allow the debate and following vote apparently (according to the SF speaker on the last word earlier)
All of the Antis could have voted for him, which would have necessitated him attempting to form a cabinet.
They didn't do that though. Only FF voted for him...
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Originally posted by Shashka View PostIrish water and the idea of charges for water are two wholly different things. Irish water is messy whatever your thoughts for charges etc.
Because you wish to abolish Irish water does not mean you are against water charges outright. I am against them personally with due respect to all other opinions. But if you are not wholly outright against them you might still see Irish water is disorganized and a bit of a disaster. Some TD's might not like Irish water simply for that fact alone rather than any ideology.
Hello by the way. I am new.
There is little doubt that IW, just like each and every State and Semi-State body that's ever been set up is bloated, was hamfisted in, has conflict of interests everywhere, has efficiency issues to beat the band, is hamstrung by legislation that didn't take into account X,Y and Z that a private implementation would have done.
But it is in existence, it is what we have, and it is what we have to improve.
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Originally posted by Emmet View PostWell, possibly because FG don't want to abolish IW.
If FF really do, they have the opportunity to do so given that majority that you speak of.
But nobody's even suggested that once. Why not?
Is it perhaps because it's just a tad disingenuous to suggest that the majority of TDs elected were anti charges?"Worldly wisdom teaches that it is better for reputation to fail conventionally than to succeed unconventionally." - John Maynard Keynes
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Originally posted by LuckyLloyd View PostIt's not the only issue that concerns government formation. You know this. You also know anti IW legislation will pass in this Dail.
Is that not reasonable?
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Originally posted by Emmet View PostWelcome!
There is little doubt that IW, just like each and every State and Semi-State body that's ever been set up is bloated, was hamfisted in, has conflict of interests everywhere, has efficiency issues to beat the band, is hamstrung by legislation that didn't take into account X,Y and Z that a private implementation would have done.
But it is in existence, it is what we have, and it is what we have to improve.
This is a Shashka. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN3uhImuy6E Ty Menya Ne Ishi. Ti menya ne stoish. 'Do not look for me you are not worthy of me.'
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Originally posted by Emmet View PostStrange. I'd have assumed that if a majority of TDs were so interested in abolishing something that they might, you know, do something about it when the chance was staring them in the face...
Is that not reasonable?
FF want to stop FG forming a govt. They are using this issue to do so.
In reality if Irish water was providing a consistent good service across the country ( domestic water is quite bad in some places I hear) and it was transparent how it was run eventually people would accept it.This is a Shashka. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN3uhImuy6E Ty Menya Ne Ishi. Ti menya ne stoish. 'Do not look for me you are not worthy of me.'
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Originally posted by oleras View PostThe politicians are laughing at us behind closed doors.
They have the majority of people concerned again about 400/year and no talk about the 4000/year in USC charges.
They actually have people funking now for a 5 year rather than 3 year kick the can down the road, they cant even make a proper decision on IW it seems.
Shower of self serving cunts.
Try getting elected with that message."We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Originally posted by 5starpool View PostI had a different post written, but to just have a more level headed response, have a read of this article. Written in 2013 but still relevant now.
http://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2013/0...ce-for-heysel/
Those stampedes might have been considered standard terrace fare at the time, a token act of territorialism and intimidationTurning millions into thousands
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Originally posted by NewApproach View PostRe: the Sun headlines, is the hatred in Merseyside towards the Sun based on the premise that they made up the story, or simply that it was distasteful for the Sun to run a story which they had every reason to believe to be true, albeit unpalatable to readers?"We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Originally posted by Shashka View PostThey are interested in using the topic to try and stop the opposition forming a gov or an alliance with other parties.
FF want to stop FG forming a govt. They are using this issue to do so.
In reality if Irish water was providing a consistent good service across the country ( domestic water is quite bad in some places I hear) and it was transparent how it was run eventually people would accept it.
FF put forward Martin for Taoiseach. SF, IA, Greens, SD, PBP/AAA could have voted him in easily with the majority as an "Anti Charges Taoiseach".
Yet they didn't do that...
The mandate against water charges that that majority apparently got, was not strong enough to bind them together when given an obvious opportunity to act upon it!
The 32nd Dáil could have been 6 weeks long, with the "Lunatic Fringe - Anti-Water-Charges Grand Coalition" ultimately unable to agree on a single thing after they'd abolished IW, and we would be going to the polls again.
But, that didn't happen, nor has it ever looked in the slightest bit likely!
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Originally posted by NewApproach View PostRe: the Sun headlines, is the hatred in Merseyside towards the Sun based on the premise that they made up the story, or simply that it was distasteful for the Sun to run a story which they had every reason to believe to be true, albeit unpalatable to readers?This is a Shashka. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN3uhImuy6E Ty Menya Ne Ishi. Ti menya ne stoish. 'Do not look for me you are not worthy of me.'
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Originally posted by Flushdraw View PostHi Peaceandfire
Hi ya!This is a Shashka. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN3uhImuy6E Ty Menya Ne Ishi. Ti menya ne stoish. 'Do not look for me you are not worthy of me.'
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Originally posted by Strewelpeter View PostAn election fought purely on water charges would be interesting... The intellectual arguments against IW and the current charges amount to Phil Hogan was arrogant in the way he started it and errrm we don't like Dennis O'Brien.
The FF position is completely illogical parish pumpery of the stupidest kind. They seem to want an election on it though
FF popularity has been steadily rising the last few weeks/months and they have now overtaken FG in the polls. Irish water is hated by a significant number of people. Enda Kenny is an idiot who will is largely hated and another 4 weeks on the campaign with more deluded nonsense spewing fourth from his mouth will give FG another big dent in their popularity. Sabbataging the talks over Irish Water and going to the polls now for FF is the smartest thing they can do. Give it another 6 months and FG might actually get rid of Enda and then their in a big fight.
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Cheers for the replies re Hillsborough. Interesting stuff that I've never read anything about before because, well without sounding too cold hearted, why would I? Not the club I support. But kudos to the families for keeping the fight going. Don't think I want to watch those videos/documentaries after Kayroos description so will stick with the articles.
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Originally posted by Emmet View PostFG are irrelevant though if as Lloyd states, a majority of elected TDs were for the abolition of Irish Water.
FF put forward Martin for Taoiseach. SF, IA, Greens, SD, PBP/AAA could have voted him in easily with the majority as an "Anti Charges Taoiseach".
Yet they didn't do that...
The mandate against water charges that that majority apparently got, was not strong enough to bind them together when given an obvious opportunity to act upon it!
The 32nd Dáil could have been 6 weeks long, with the "Lunatic Fringe - Anti-Water-Charges Grand Coalition" ultimately unable to agree on a single thing after they'd abolished IW, and we would be going to the polls again.
But, that didn't happen, nor has it ever looked in the slightest bit likely!
I think it will come down to their working relationships with each other (between parties and independents) rather than ideologies. Those who can't work together won't be in govt.
It's scary that no one seems to be able to form a govt. Nor seems to know what it might look like. It's a bit embarrassing actually.This is a Shashka. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN3uhImuy6E Ty Menya Ne Ishi. Ti menya ne stoish. 'Do not look for me you are not worthy of me.'
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Originally posted by 5starpool View PostI'm not sure why it's necessary, Kev decided to show mercy and unban later that night.This is a Shashka. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN3uhImuy6E Ty Menya Ne Ishi. Ti menya ne stoish. 'Do not look for me you are not worthy of me.'
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Originally posted by Teddie View PostFF popularity has been steadily rising the last few weeks/months and they have now overtaken FG in the polls. Irish water is hated by a significant number of people. Enda Kenny is an idiot who will is largely hated and another 4 weeks on the campaign with more deluded nonsense spewing fourth from his mouth will give FG another big dent in their popularity. Sabbataging the talks over Irish Water and going to the polls now for FF is the smartest thing they can do. Give it another 6 months and FG might actually get rid of Enda and then their in a big fight."We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View PostEnda is actually already gone.This is a Shashka. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN3uhImuy6E Ty Menya Ne Ishi. Ti menya ne stoish. 'Do not look for me you are not worthy of me.'
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She should work for the Tourist board!This is a Shashka. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN3uhImuy6E Ty Menya Ne Ishi. Ti menya ne stoish. 'Do not look for me you are not worthy of me.'
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Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View PostEnda is actually already gone. He's merely providing political cover for Ireland's first openly () gay Taoiseach.
If another election is called soon will he definitely step aside or be pushed? One of them has to happen but it won't leave FG with a huge amount of time.
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Originally posted by NewApproach View PostRe: the Sun headlines, is the hatred in Merseyside towards the Sun based on the premise that they made up the story, or simply that it was distasteful for the Sun to run a story which they had every reason to believe to be true, albeit unpalatable to readers?
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