Bad Beat/Moaning/Venting - pray for Lazare

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[Emmet]

On the other side, and who knows if its a valid other side, Ireland is perhaps the european country best positioned to capitalise on UK/US isolationism if they view us as a 'not too different' country (given that about 20% of UK and US are Irish descendant) that they therefore might want to base their operations in. Althoug, that might be a foolhardy confident view.

Infrastructure Deficit is an enormous problem with that plan unfortunately.

We are miles and miles and miles behind other Euro countries in this regard. We should be best placed, but we never build the things that we promise.

[MrsFlushdraw]

Saw your God Fearing Anti Hillary supporter share a picture of the Obamas and something about them having to find a new home and she said

"Get yourself home to Kenya then"

She couldn't see by the whole Hilary lets you have an abortion at 9 months stuff and hated her for it.

'Murica

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[Silver-Tiger]

CRH shares Sky rocketing. 9 year high.

[balfejohn]

Minister for Trump

Can we get Enda to set up a ministry for Trump, Mick Noonan might be the man with Healy Rea as his sidekick

[Mellor]

There is a scene from an Irish movie where some oul fella (maybe colm meaney?) drinks a pint of guinness and a whiskey all in one go.

What is it?

not the snapper? not sure if he has a whiskey in that

What thinking the same, one of the other two in the Barrytown. Maybe The Van

[Denny Crane]

Trump surely has paid for a few abortions in his time

Yeah he's really pro-choice. SCOTUS is safe I think. Trump is going to have the best approval ratings. Highest in decades imo.

[Raoul Duke III]

Yeah he's really pro-choice. SCOTUS is safe I think. Trump is going to have the best approval ratings. Highest in decades imo.

Tremendous abortions, beautiful abortions.

Actually didn't get the impression that abortion was any kind of issue in the election at all. Trump isn't even a Republican anyway so hardly feels the need to pander to the pro-lifers.

[Raoul Duke III]

It really is Brexit II.

Say anything, regardless of truth. Get over the line by exploiting fear and ignorance.

Have no idea what happens next.

Profit????

Hopefully, hopefully people get it into their heads tbat actions have consequences.

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[gorrrr72]

Tremendous abortions, beautiful abortions.

Actually didn't get the impression that abortion was any kind of issue in the election at all. Trump isn't even a Republican anyway so hardly feels the need to pander to the pro-lifers.

He did pander to the pro-lifers, but he has flip flopped on the issue in the past so I believe he is pro-choice. I think any New Yorker should be pro-choice. The repercussions of Roe v Wade was one of the biggest influences in the downward trend in crime statistic's of the 90's, particularly in NY.

[Mickey Rosa]

"I nearly didn't come in this morning because I was just mourning the death of democracy"

Please never talk to me again.

[Lazare]

Mainlining espresso this morning, fuck me.

[DeadParrot]

maybe it wasnt meaney and some other oul fella.
Thinking the Van alright

[careca]

There is a scene from an Irish movie where some oul fella (maybe colm meaney?) drinks a pint of guinness and a whiskey all in one go.

What is it?

Kings of Kilburn High Road maybe???

[Mickey Rosa]

maybe it wasnt meaney and some other oul fella.
Thinking the Van alright

Was it not Meaney in Intermission? I have some memory of it.

[dobby]

Drinking a whiskey and a Guinness is fairly standard with aul lads all over the country. You may just be having a flashback to being in a pub some time

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[Keane]

Saw this while ago on Twitter...

[Silver-Tiger]

Will the process of running Enda out the FG door pick up any quicker here based on last night?

[Emmet]

Will the process of running Enda out the FG door pick up any quicker here based on last night?

Varadkar must be sharpening the cheese wire as we speak.

[ionapaul]

Hopefully FG will finally see that any efforts on their part to pander to those elements of the electorate that simply will never vote for them should be seen for what they are; complete wastes of time, effort and budget. I know they were probably forced into it by the independents or FF, but raising the dole by €5 a week is just handing cash to PBP/AAA and SF voters, who will continue to despise FG and no matter what level of social transfers are in place, they'll always want more. Trying to be inclusive in the current environment is madness and dilutes your message; better to put out your stall as 'the party of the middle class', 'the party of the big farmers', 'the party for FDI and big business', whatever you choose to focus on!

[Tar.Aldarion]

Personally think he's very different in private and we shall see how he actually runs things now. People generally have no idea what he really believes but I know he knows how to win and he did/said what it took. Doesnt hinder that his opponent is a sack of potatoes, yet still surprised her name wasn't enough even after all that.That was a crazy night and election cycle.

[Guest]

Went over my rda allowance of salt listening to radio 1 on the drive home there,Bertie "good friends of bill and Hillary" Aherne was on, think they settled on sexism in the end. Amazing how the media are calling upon everyone who called it utterly wrong to explain how it's all going to play out now that what they said couldn't happen has happened

[Tar.Aldarion]

Michael O Leary is next

[Keane]

Thought this was a good read. The author posits neoliberalism as the root of what we see lately.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/apr/15/neoliberalism-ideology-problem-george-monbiot

I know enough to know how little I know, so I'm conscious of the fact that it's probably very biased, but a lot of it rings true to my surface level analysis at least.

Neoliberal policies are everywhere beset by market failures. Not only are the banks too big to fail, but so are the corporations now charged with delivering public services. As Tony Judt pointed out in Ill Fares the Land, Hayek forgot that vital national services cannot be allowed to collapse, which means that competition cannot run its course. Business takes the profits, the state keeps the risk.

The greater the failure, the more extreme the ideology becomes. Governments use neoliberal crises as both excuse and opportunity to cut taxes, privatise remaining public services, rip holes in the social safety net, deregulate corporations and re-regulate citizens. The self-hating state now sinks its teeth into every organ of the public sector.

Perhaps the most dangerous impact of neoliberalism is not the economic crises it has caused, but the political crisis. As the domain of the state is reduced, our ability to change the course of our lives through voting also contracts. Instead, neoliberal theory asserts, people can exercise choice through spending. But some have more to spend than others: in the great consumer or shareholder democracy, votes are not equally distributed. The result is a disempowerment of the poor and middle. As parties of the right and former left adopt similar neoliberal policies, disempowerment turns to disenfranchisement. Large numbers of people have been shed from politics.

Chris Hedges remarks that “fascist movements build their base not from the politically active but the politically inactive, the ‘losers’ who feel, often correctly, they have no voice or role to play in the political establishment”. When political debate no longer speaks to us, people become responsive instead to slogans, symbols and sensation. To the admirers of Trump, for example, facts and arguments appear irrelevant.

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Looking forward to ends telling trump what he thinks


“And the Fine Gael leader Enda Kenny insisted he would tell Mr Trump why he believes some of his views are racist and dangerous”
Independent, June 2016.

[Emmet]

'Neo-liberalism' is the new Púca.

It is the 'white male privilege' of the left. A catchall term that is used to denigrate anything that isn't Marxist pretty much.

[MrsFlushdraw]

Michael O Leary is next

Alan Sugar for the PM of Britain

[Emmet]

Alan Sugar for the PM of Britain

If it's "Apprentice" people, then we're fucked.

[Keane]

'Neo-liberalism' is the new Púca.

It is the 'white male privilege' of the left. A catchall term that is used to denigrate anything that isn't Marxist pretty much.

It's a pretty long article, he kind of explains what he's talking about after the headline.

[Guest]

Hopefully Teneo go out of business off the back of this and Podesta and all the other creeps take a big hit. lol Eric Schmidt too

[Denny Crane]

Personally think he's very different in private and we shall see how he actually runs things now. People generally have no idea what he really believes but I know he knows how to win and he did/said what it took. Doesnt hinder that his opponent is a sack of potatoes, yet still surprised her name wasn't enough even after all that.That was a crazy night and election cycle.

Yip.

[Mickey Rosa]

Looking forward to ends telling trump what he thinks


“And the Fine Gael leader Enda Kenny insisted he would tell Mr Trump why he believes some of his views are racist and dangerous”
Independent, June 2016.

[Mickey Rosa]

Anyone have two decent tickets for the Canada game they are looking to off load at face value?

[LuckyLloyd]

'Neo-liberalism' is the new Púca.

It is the 'white male privilege' of the left. A catchall term that is used to denigrate anything that isn't Marxist pretty much.

Or it's just a term borne of the fact that many people's lives and range of opportunity is not improving in the west and the system is deliberately designed for that to continue being the case. And they're going to be rightly fucked off about it.

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[Denny Crane]

Incredible what he achieved. No political experience, knocked out 16 other nominees, and without the support of his party, or a strong ground game, and with nearly the full media against him, defeated a lifelong political operator. And on a fraction of the budget. Think that definitely settles the genius versus buffoon argument.

[Emmet]

Or it's just a term borne of the fact that many people's lives and range of opportunity is not improving in the west and the system is deliberately designed for that to continue being the case. And they're going to be rightly fucked off about it.

Step out.
Abstract yourself.
Define the new system.
Tell us how it's different.
Tell us how it's better.

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Trump fans should call round to the NY York times offices and burn them to the ground. It won't be any loss to the world

[Guest]

Feels like I'm talking to Mick the lip/jimmy wales when I'm reading the Guardian online the past few weeks

[Zod]

It really is Brexit II.

Say anything, regardless of truth. Get over the line by exploiting fear and ignorance.

Have no idea what happens next.

Profit????

Hopefully, hopefully people get it into their heads tbat actions have consequences.

Yis all thought I was exaggerating the whole fascism thing, and yet, here we are.

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[Denny Crane]

Yis all thought I was exaggerating the whole fascism thing, and yet, here we are.

I don't think this is what fascism looks like:

"Now it’s time for America to bind the wounds of division. We have to get together.

"To all Republicans and Democrats and Independents across this nation, I say it is time for us to come together as one united people. It’s time.

"I pledge to every citizen of our land that I will be President for all Americans and this is so important to me.

"For those who have chosen not to support me in the past, of which there were a few people, I’m reaching out to you for your guidance and your help so we can work together and unify our great country.

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Given her 'stumping for trump', wonder what odds on Sarah Palin becoming Sec of State? Given she could 'see' Russian from her base in Alaska, she would be uniquely qualified.

If Boris can be Foreign Sec ...

[Denny Crane]

It is amazing what he has achieved.

Although lets not forget the bigger issue of whether being elected based on racism is a good thing.

Just because something was incredibly difficult to do and an outstanding personal achievement, doesn't mean it is for the good of society.

How was he elected on racism?

[Tar.Aldarion]

Me after surgery

[Gholimoli]

Incredible what he achieved. No political experience, knocked out 16 other nominees, and without the support of his party, or a strong ground game, and with nearly the full media against him, defeated a lifelong political operator. And on a fraction of the budget. Think that definitely settles the genius versus buffoon argument.

it pains me deeply to agree with this.

[Emmet]

I, as a seemingly rational individual, albeit self appraised, attempted early this year to do a very large double on Bremain & Clinton on the basis that others (voters) were also rational. I couldn't get the bet away and prices swung against me so I left it. I doubt I would ever have staked so much on such a sure thing and been so spectacularly wrong in my life had I been able to get the bet down.

/Aftertiming.

PS, the world is fucked.

Calm down. Trump won't be President - and Britain won't leave the EU

Ian Leslie - 7/6/2016

[Gholimoli]

How was he elected on racism?

he was elected on sexism !

had she been wearing a dildo during her campaign, i have no doubt she would have won.

[Raoul Duke III]

I, as a seemingly rational individual, albeit self appraised.

The world has no place for the likes of you.

[Mickey Rosa]

[Emmet]

It's a pretty long article, he kind of explains what he's talking about after the headline.

Except he gets totally and utterly lost and just talks about the issues of Capitalism.

He also talks about anarcho-capitalism and not neo-liberalism.

Freedom from trade unions and collective bargaining means the freedom to suppress wages. Freedom from regulation means the freedom to poison rivers, endanger workers, charge iniquitous rates of interest and design exotic financial instruments. Freedom from tax means freedom from the distribution of wealth that lifts people out of poverty.

https://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism

According to anarcho-capitalists, personal and economic activities would be regulated by the natural laws of the market and through private law rather than through politics.

We are not living in an anarcho-capitalist reality. Nowhere near.

Actually, I've just found this pretty seriously useful response to the Guardian' article on the Mises site itself

https://mises.org/blog/mises-against-neoliberals

You wouldn't know any of this from reading Mirowski, or from reading Monbiot for that matter, who simply classifies anything other than Eduard-Berstein-style democratic socialism as "neoliberalism."

Monbiot doesn't do this, of course. He constructed an interesting historical and sociological theory — sans any economic arguments — in which the rise of neoliberalism has created many social ills. If we rely on Monbiot's analysis, though, what aspects of neoliberalism have caused these alleged problems is anybody's guess.

Useful in the regard that the author of the blog post is also critical of neo-liberalism, but at least he understands what it is.

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[Flushdraw]

Just remembered it's International break this weekend

[Denny Crane]

He started his campaign by calling mexicans rapists, then proceeded to highlight that all muslims are potentially terrorists. Has the definition of racism changed so much that these are no longer racist things to say? That pointing at a race and saying they all do this bad thing is now not racist?

No the definition hasn't changed:

a person who believes that a particular race is superior to another.

Mexicans and Muslims aren't races for a start. He's never said anything negative about any other race. And secondly he didn't call Mexicans rapists, he said some illegal immigrants are rapists. Pretty big difference. He's made pro-African American, pro-LGBTQ, and pro-Hispanic speeches.

This isn't the victory speech of a racist:

"To all Republicans and Democrats and Independents across this nation, I say it is time for us to come together as one united people. It’s time.

"I pledge to every citizen of our land that I will be President for all Americans and this is so important to me.