Bad Beat/Moaning/Venting - pray for Lazare

[V for Vendetta]

Home school is great if you're looking to win Spelling Bees, not so much for crafting a normal person imo. I suspect that a well-rounded eduction does far more for developing a successful life (professional and otherwise) than achieving X points in the leaving. Agency + social skills >>>>> rote learning.

Okay but I can get social skills by having exposure to environments other than schools. Fair enough to rail against certain aspects of home schooling but are mainstream schools run by Union loving, public sector lifers the best environment for raising kids who are going to be competing against hungry bastards from China, Korea, India and everywhere else?

It's a bit like my primary and secondary education failed me spectacularly for a University environment studying Theoretical Physics which in turn failed me for a professional private sector career. The best learning for that environment was gleaned working with my Dad on nixers every weekend and by being a self taught reader and learner from my earliest days.

What does that say about the system and can we do better given that the pace of change is increasing and education is looking more out of touch every day imo?

[newbie2]

Being one of those annoying parents of an ugly cunt is part of the reason why I don't want wont have kids.

Fyp

[V for Vendetta]

on the topic of cars - thinking of getting a TT. Had one a few years back for brief period of time but as was commuting to Dundalk at the time I couldn't stick with it as I was crippled with my back. Looking at the 2015 models and they are sexy beasts - think I will take one for a test drive this week.

Given you treat your cars like your women, trade them in frequently and always hopping onboard younger models, would you not just lease at this stage??

[Solskjaer]

Biblical weather today . The window was hit by a barrage of debris which included a pizza box looked out the window to see some wheelie bins on their back The Lord is angry today...repent .

[Keane]

LOL. It's fucking massive, in the cities at least.

With started off with a notion that the difference between school A and school B was 10% - if it's a choice between a hedge school and a dream school that probably doesn't require much of a discussion.

[Mellor]

Ah men who think they have a say in this. How delightful.

Ah, I'm under no illusion that it've a say.
But that's the bosses orders not mine.


...not under any illusion that the boss won't change the work order either.

[Guest]

studying Theoretical Physics which in turn failed me for a professional private sector career.

Well duh!

[ferg]

Enjoying the religion debate. Non believer myself but do think the 10 commandments are a good guide

Thank goodness eh I mean up until mount sinai it was ok to kill, steal and take your neighbours wife and cattle etc. God decided it was time to officiate the rules...strange how he forgot to tell us he omitted rape and paedophilia...or perhaps he forgot? Or decided that they weren't really that bad?

Religion is man made....maybe that explains the sheer arrogance of all religions.

[CHDad]

IrishParentBoards

[V for Vendetta]

Well duh!

Meh it could have been a range of subjects.

The point is people study stuff in college that they rarely work in and the skills learned are a lot less transferable than they could be or should be imo. Too much emphasis on specifics rather than transferable skills in a traditional university environment.

If you were doing online courses across a wide range of disciplines you might have a better education for life.

[Solskjaer]

Meh it could have been a range of subjects.

The point is people study stuff in college that they rarely work in and the skills learned are a lot less transferable than they could be or should be imo. Too much emphasis on specifics rather than transferable skills in a traditional university environment.

If you were doing online courses across a wide range of disciplines you might have a better education for life.

Got asked a question recently on Standard Deviation. I was instantly transported back to the 70s. Was quite a nostalgic moment .

[Guest]

Meh it could have been a range of subjects.

The point is people study stuff in college that they rarely work in and the skills learned are a lot less transferable than they could be or should be imo. Too much emphasis on specifics rather than transferable skills in a traditional university environment.

If you were doing online courses across a wide range of disciplines you might have a better education for life.

I disagree. We're not here to make people employable. We're here to teach them things they said they were interested in. They do a professional development module here and I hate it. All that stuff takes the joy out of learning for learning's sake and leads to a system where universities are just filtering system for employers.
If you want transferrable skills just do an MBA after your undergrad.
I realise no one agrees with me, but I'll continue in my idealogical bubble.

[V for Vendetta]

I disagree. We're not here to make people employable. We're here to teach them things they said they were interested in. They do a professional development module here and I hate it. All that stuff takes the joy out of learning for learning's sake and leads to a system where universities are just filtering system for employers.
If you want transferrable skills just do an MBA after your undergrad.
I realise no one agrees with me, but I'll continue in my idealogical bubble.

If I'm investing time and money in an education for the purposes of gainful employment in the future I'd disagree with you.

I'd say 80% of your clients are there to give themselves a good chance of a reliable and decent future income stream and if you don't deliver that than you are taking their monies under false pretenses.

If you say to them "f**k off we won't take your money unless you want a career of misery in academia" before they and their parents offload the cash and the time opportunity costs than I tip my hat to you but most universities take money from a lot of their clients by telling lies and not delivering what the customer expects...hence why people should question what they are getting from an inflexible "academic" education experience.

Additional anecdote: I mentor a young woman who had to leave a PhD program due to health issues and her confidence took a knock during the process. She previously defined herself by academia and now that wasn't a runner in the medium term she was devastated and didn't really have the skills to cope with this. She has brains and beauty to burn.

Anyway through the medium of public speaking in Toastmasters she has gained a lot of confidence and she acquitted herself very well recently in a public speaking contest. Off the back of all this she decided to go speak to her supervisor and in a very constructive manner she demanded a greatly improved job for herself than the menial lab work she was doing. She sent me an email two days ago to say that she's shipped the new gig and that without the confidence she'd gained in herself over the past two years she never would have gone for it. Makes me wonder at all the leaving cert points and the 1st class honours degrees people have and their genuine usefulness in helping them to advance in their professional and personal lives.

[Denny Crane]

Think you're forgetting something V

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7-ma9fX0f4

[Strewelpeter]

Fair enough. I personally think the variance between schools is small enough

Its really not.

School ethos or religion has little or nothing to do with the huge variance that does exist and is getting greater.
The single biggest influence on the quality of a school is the quality of its Principal, in my experience leadership in schools is more critical than in any other type of institution.
A good leader in a school have a huge influence and only where a school has had a long tradition of having good leaders will a school's standards survive a poor Principal.

[V for Vendetta]

where can one do that?

I was mainly tongue in cheek with that line as I thought it was a good one!

Dr Google says here and here for example.

Get the Company to pay it for you and offset it from your year end bonus for added benefit (obviously work mileage will determine the tax payable on the BIK but your accountant can do that for you).

Edit: Looks like 856p/m from audicentre based on 20k kilometres per annum for a TT coupe. Looks a bit like a hairdresser's car though and given your follicle challenges that seems wrong!

[TheDrunkenOne]

Did an anagram of Irish Poker Boards and had a flashback to Hull in 1988

I abhorred pro kiss

[AndyFatBastard]

The Communion and confirmation in Primary schools are an anachronism and we could have been well on the way to having it gone in the next five years but you fucking morons decided to punish labour for not letting you have water for free and put Fianna Fail and the fucking Healys Rae in the driving seat instead... you stupid cunce.

[Strewelpeter]

where can one do that?

Thats more or less what PCP finance is

You pay a deposit and pay a rental for three years and meet5 obligations regarding servicing etc. then there is the residual value of the car at the end of the time when you have the option to buy it, walk away or hop back on the merry go round.
Doesn't require huge imagination to figure out who the big winners are where the finance is being run by banks owned by the car manufacturers.The positive spin is its the same company / fleet leasing deal made available for Joe Public.

[Emmet]

Glen Hansard looks very different with his hair and beard tidied!

[Guest]

If I'm investing time and money in an education for the purposes of gainful employment in the future I'd disagree with you.

I'd say 80% of your clients are there to give themselves a good chance of a reliable and decent future income stream and if you don't deliver that than you are taking their monies under false pretenses.

If you say to them "f**k off we won't take your money unless you want a career of misery in academia" before they and their parents offload the cash and the time opportunity costs than I tip my hat to you but most universities take money from a lot of their clients by telling lies and not delivering what the customer expects...hence why people should question what they are getting from an inflexible "academic" education experience.

The idea that someone would see going to University as investing time and money in studying purely to get a financial RoI makes me sad and its an attitude that I try to make the young folk snap out of wherever I can.
They shouldn't be seen as clients or customers, they're students.
I wouldn't say 'fuck off unless you want a career in academia' because their career is still not of concern to me.
A life where you're trying to maximise your $EV from the time you can string thoughts together isn't something I would endorse.
As I said, I know I'm in the minority though!

[Keane]

Its really not.

School ethos or religion has little or nothing to do with the huge variance that does exist and is getting greater.
The single biggest influence on the quality of a school is the quality of its Principal, in my experience leadership in schools is more critical than in any other type of institution.
A good leader in a school have a huge influence and only where a school has had a long tradition of having good leaders will a school's standards survive a poor Principal.

You're right, thanks. I was in the mindset of Eoghan's post to Conor about a 10% better school, selfishness and all that.

I understand there's variance between schools and religiosity is not the dominant factor in that variance. I don't think I said it was anywhere either tbf.

[Keane]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDEZ2h41t0I

[V for Vendetta]

The idea that someone would see going to University as investing time and money in studying purely to get a financial RoI makes me sad and its an attitude that I try to make the young folk snap out of wherever I can.
They shouldn't be seen as clients or customers, they're students.
I wouldn't say 'fuck off unless you want a career in academia' because their career is still not of concern to me.
A life where you're trying to maximise your $EV from the time you can string thoughts together isn't something I would endorse.
As I said, I know I'm in the minority though!

They and their parents and the taxpayer are paying for it. That's why they get a shit service because they aren't treated as customers merely an unwelcome intrusion on the academics research and thinking time (in the main).

I'm not necessarily talking about just maximising $EV but more the wider concept of life EV. If you equip them merely to ride the books in a library and cram for a test as if that's the ultimate goal in life that's an education failure in my view. Most customers of the education system that we pay an awful lot for are lucky if they come out with those measly and modest skills.

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[Guest]

Students being an intrusion certainly isn't my experience but I'm sure if happens. If you want a society that has max life EV, then the taxpayers are paying for an education for economic gain AND for the betterment of society. It would be a pretty grim existence if 3rd level education just became an industrial training scheme.
What of people who go to do ancient history, pure maths, art, theoretical physics :P...what should their expectations be? Should we get rid of art from junior school because it won't help the kids get a job?

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[V for Vendetta]

Students being an intrusion certainly isn't my experience but I'm sure if happens. If you want a society that has max life EV, then the taxpayers are paying for an education for economic gain AND for the betterment of society. It would be a pretty grim existence if 3rd level education just became an industrial training scheme.
What of people who go to do ancient history, pure maths, art, theoretical physics :P...what should their expectations be? Should we get rid of art from junior school because it won't help the kids get a job?

I have no issue with the study of any subject - I'm a big fan of having many and diverse interests as you can probably guess. I'm also a fan of allowing course choice across a broad range of subjects in the first couple of years of study with the passing of courses counting towards overall academic achievement. Something that's been mooted for years but had very little action in general.

My issue is with the quality of the life skills and broader education provided. The ability to think and act independently following years of exposure to Irish academia is poor in my view and if we compare well against international peers that's an indictment of the system rather than a reason to cheer.

Hence my questions asking is there a better way? Can I self fund online courses and involve myself in more diverse learning experiences, thereby achieving a more rounded academic education and life education. But the big issue is that if this mindset hasn't been installed from a very early age is it too late?

[Guest]

Definitely agree that the American model where they have the choice of whatever modules they want at the start and specialise later on is the way to go.

[newbie2]

Irish uni education, of the likes zuut presumably provides, is absolutely tops. I guess only people who've been through the system deride it. Think all the Irish unis are ranked amongst the best in the world.

Nope

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2016/world-ranking#!/page/0/length/-1/country/586/sort_by/rank_label/sort_order/asc/cols/rank_only

[V for Vendetta]

Irish uni education, of the likes zuut presumably provides, is absolutely tops. I guess only people who've been through the system deride it. Think all the Irish unis are ranked amongst the best in the world.

Except when they email their buddies in other universities to artificially boost their rankings.

How does the research conducted by some professor and his ability to attract peer citations impact the quality of the teaching an undergraduate receives anyway? No vested interest of the system has ever explained this to me...

[Guest]

Quality of teaching is way underrepresented when it comes to appointments alright.
Never mind peer citations, self citations get the job done!

Why I'm defending a system that isn't paying me anymore as of the 30th of this month I don't really know.

[Emmet]

Míchael Martin smashing a speech at the moment.

It's irritating that he's good at this part.

[Guest]

Nope

https://www.timeshighereducation.com...cols/rank_only

DCU is a Top 50 University under 50 years old though. That matters, honestly!

[V for Vendetta]

Quality of teaching is way underrepresented when it comes to appointments alright.
Never mind peer citations, self citations get the job done!

Why I'm defending a system that isn't paying me anymore as of the 30th of this month I don't really know.

In fairness to you Zuutroy your passion for teaching students and your willingness to commit to the education system (borderline a calling) despite the treatment you've personally received from the system has always shone through on here.

I'm just asking the broader question is the current orthodox approach to education as good as it gets? Can we do better and given the new world we face of a hollowed out middle class, the urgent need to encourage innovation and the ability to manage portfolio careers and lives, I just don't see how doing the same things that we've done with the education system for the past 20-30 years will deliver the kind of total rounded education future citizens will require.

[Emmet]

Ruth Coppinger, not quite as good

[Guest]

In fairness to you Zuutroy your passion for teaching students and your willingness to commit to the education system (borderline a calling) despite the treatment you've personally received from the system has always shone through on here.

I'm just asking the broader question is the current orthodox approach to education as good as it gets? Can we do better and given the new world we face of a hollowed out middle class, the urgent need to encourage innovation and the ability to manage portfolio careers and lives, I just don't see how doing the same things that we've done in education for the past 20-30 years will deliver the kind of total rounded education future citizens will require.

Yea there's huge changes required. Even at a micro level a lot of people are still delivering lectures every year that they could easily record and play back to future classes so we need to look at how those 50 minutes can be better used.
I'm just wary of turning the whole thing into a business.

[V for Vendetta]

Yea there's huge changes required. Even at a micro level a lot of people are still delivering lectures every year that they could easily record and play back to future classes so we need to look at how those 50 minutes can be better used.
I'm just wary of turning the whole thing into a business.

I love the idea of a huge global library of very high quality modules using various multimedia approaches backed up and supported by small groups with direct access to a tutor/mentor to aid and guide the group learning and discussion post the digestion of the module.

The consumption of these modules to be combined and interwoven with direct experience of the post university environment whether that is in an office, work shadowing a professor or professional thinker or helping a professional artist, this would really make the whole experience more holistic and realistic.

The fact it could be done for a fraction of the current education system costs is a bonus as I think the primary issue is that the quality of the education would be better and less wasteful of peoples lives and academic resources.

These approaches are beginning to become available to various degrees (and will be available to a large extent in 20 years time) but the very interesting challenge as a parent of a young child is how to encourage them to step out of the orthodox thinking we currently have so they are equipped to take a different approach with their own education when the time comes?

It's going to be very tough if you just feed them a standard primary and secondary school diet so how do you sow the seeds?



Edit: Education is a business in my view. We just measure the results more broadly than simple financial metrics. Academics bemoaning this fact are like someone going to the gym and saying they don't want to measure their progress as if going to the gym is an end in itself. We're not a business is code for we don't want to be assessed to see if there is a better way of delivering the same educational services for less. It's self-interest ultimately.

[Theresa]

Scary issue here at work yesterday.

One of the managers, newly appointed, who is 26 was sent home due to what I can only describe as mentally cracking.

I guess, with hindsight, its been a progression, he has been working crazy hours and no amount of us telling him to slow down was working. He would take on all the work and not just delgate, but it was slow enough until yesterday when it was completely nonsensical mode. He was talking about "driving a porsche to throw rocks at snakes, just kidding , I wouldnt hurt a snake, well... if it attacked my mom I would, but only after if it had attacked a cow first", about "writing a book about his parasites" about how he was "feeding homeless people at 3am from macdonalds and how he found a guy that gave him great advice and some pills to take".

It was first noticed in a meeting when he was drawing Kangaroos on the meeting board while everyone else was having a discussion.

Scary stuff, I'd be one of his closer colleagues too. I mentioned it to our Director who called in HR. This part really really pisses me off, I was in a meeting later on and I come out to him gone. I ask what happened and HR just escorted him to his car, and let him drive home, no supervision, no duty of care, nothing. This is a guy who does genuinely love work, so that conversation with HR asking him to take a week off would have been hard for him, especially in that state. Im angry about that. He said he was going to his Dads. I called his missus and she called his Dad, course he wasnt there. Thankful he did go home though as she found him there later on.

He's home now and resting up and Im in regular enough contact with his missus checking up on him. HR had his access to all work stuff removed too. Gonna give it a few days and then try talk to him to see if it was just sleep deprivation and exhaustion or if we think he needs extra help.

Also gonna tear HR a new one for letting him go home alone. Useless fucks.

[TheDrunkenOne]

A woman accompanied her husband to the doctor's office. After his checkup , the doctor called the wife into his office alone. He told her, "Your husband is suffering from a very severe disease, combined with horrible stress . If you don't do the following , your husband will surely die...Each morning, fix him a healthy breakfast. Be pleasant , and make sure he is in a good mood . For lunch make him a nutritious meal. For dinner prepare an especially nice meal for him. Don't burden him with chores , as he probably had a hard day. Don't discuss your problems with him, it will only make his stress worse . And most importantly, make love with your husband several times a week and satisfy his every whim . If you can do this for the next 10 months to a year, I think your husband will regain his health completely."

On the way home, the husband asked his wife. "What did the doctor say?" She replied, "You're going to die"!

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[mdoug]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLzX62nXPTo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iE_8rhszjpo

Hadn't seen this before, this is class

[KevIRL]

PP enhancing Madrid and PSG double from 7/4 to 5/2 for tonights interest.

[eamonhonda]

PP enhancing Madrid and PSG double from 7/4 to 5/2 for tonights interest.

All in (For the max of 20)

[Tar.Aldarion]

Got hit by a car yesterday cycling home from work, turned across me in the wrong. Feck sake. Broken elbow and finger amongst other injuries, used them to protect head. I'd still be on that trolley if I didn't have insurance, it's mental busy. Waiting on surgery's now, probably have to do an insurance claim or talk to a solicitor too, great. So much for working or weightlifting for the foreseeable future.

[eamonhonda]

A weekend listening to Monty...

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[MrsFlushdraw]

New Werewolf game anyone? Athiests V Zealots

[Emmet]

Got hit by a car yesterday cycling home from work, turned across me in the wrong. Feck sake. Broken elbow and finger amongst other injuries, used them to protect head. I'd still be on that trolley if I didn't have insurance, it's mental busy. Waiting on surgery's now, probably have to do an insurance claim or talk to a solicitor too, great. So much for working or weightlifting for the foreseeable future.

This exact event paid for a considerable bit of a friend's mortgage deposit. (Silver lining?)

He was hit by a nurse too, who administered plenty of help at the scene until the ambulance arrived!

[Tar.Aldarion]

This exact event paid for a considerable bit of a friend's mortgage deposit. (Silver lining?)

He was hit by a nurse too, who administered plenty of help at the scene until the ambulance arrived!

Yeah I imagine it will be similar, would rather it not happen though. Especially as I may not be able to bend finger fully or straighten arm fully, will see. That would be a disaster.

Guy that hit me rang to see how I was, also was saying he would rather pay himself than go through insurance, but understand s if that's what I gotta do. He would rather pay because he thinks he will lose his car, which he needs for work, because he's already claimed when his was stolen or something.

Surgery put back til tomorrow, feck


Turns out my left hand is useless at everything, I'll be getting to know it more intimately

[mdoug]

Zlatan the lanky bottler

[elbows]

A weekend listening to Monty...

It's on BBC Saturday and Sunday

[Guest]

Yeah I imagine it will be similar, would rather it not happen though. Especially as I may not be able to bend finger fully or straighten arm fully, will see. That would be a disaster.

Guy that hit me rang to see how I was, also was saying he would rather pay himself than go through insurance, but understand s if that's what I gotta do. He would rather pay because he thinks he will lose his car, which he needs for work, because he's already claimed when his was stolen or something.

Surgery put back til tomorrow, feck


Turns out my left hand is useless at everything, I'll be getting to know it more intimately

Pay how much?
Fuck him your the one broke up and in need of surgery.
Id not believe a word of his.

[V for Vendetta]

Yeah I imagine it will be similar, would rather it not happen though. Especially as I may not be able to bend finger fully or straighten arm fully, will see. That would be a disaster.

Guy that hit me rang to see how I was, also was saying he would rather pay himself than go through insurance, but understand s if that's what I gotta do. He would rather pay because he thinks he will lose his car, which he needs for work, because he's already claimed when his was stolen or something.

Surgery put back til tomorrow, feck


Turns out my left hand is useless at everything, I'll be getting to know it more intimately

Sorry but that is bs. Go through the insurance it's not even a decision. GL with the surgery.

[Guest]

Yeah I imagine it will be similar, would rather it not happen though. Especially as I may not be able to bend finger fully or straighten arm fully, will see. That would be a disaster.

Guy that hit me rang to see how I was, also was saying he would rather pay himself than go through insurance, but understand s if that's what I gotta do. He would rather pay because he thinks he will lose his car, which he needs for work, because he's already claimed when his was stolen or something.

Surgery put back til tomorrow, feck


Turns out my left hand is useless at everything, I'll be getting to know it more intimately

My own experience of this someone saying theyw ill look after you etc.
Worked for an irish company in the netherlands one of the lads had a forklift run over his big toe broke it.
He was told he would be looked after etc he didnt want to go home to ireland.
After 5 weeks of not working and not getting paid our area manager came to the house with 150 pounds for him.

He obv lost the head after being treated so poorly and went back to ireland to make a claim.
I dont know how it ended up.
All he wanted was to get paid for his loss of income nothing extra this was off a company we knew so im guessing a strangers words are basically worthless.

[AndyFatBastard]

Got hit by a car yesterday cycling home from work, turned across me in the wrong. Feck sake. Broken elbow and finger amongst other injuries, used them to protect head. I'd still be on that trolley if I didn't have insurance, it's mental busy. Waiting on surgery's now, probably have to do an insurance claim or talk to a solicitor too, great. So much for working or weightlifting for the foreseeable future.

UL m8. Who's looking after Misa?

[Funkymonk]

Have two tickets for Newton Faulkner in the Olympia for tomorrow night. Herself bought them and now has no interest. They are Circle tickets. Free to a good home if anyone has any interest

[Solskjaer]

Thank GOD Tar wasn't killed by the cycleopath.
go through insurance his story sounds unlikely as hell (or heaven)
At least you could point the finger at who done it.

[Emmet]

This is great

http://gfycat.com/HeavenlyViciousAlligator

[Keane]

Have two tickets for Newton Faulkner in the Olympia for tomorrow night. Herself bought them and now has no interest. They are Circle tickets. Free to a good home if anyone has any interest

I'll have em!