Bad beat/Moaning/Venting thread - BabyforV

[White Knight]

Ok serious issue here.

I have been offered a role in Kilkenny worth 23K + bonus in an industry that I dont have a great love for.

I have been offered a role in the gaming industry in Cork for 21k + night shift premium of 4k with a review after 6 months. I know I will most likely much prefer the job in Cork. I have gotten a call back while writing this offering me 23K + the 4k.... Is this enough of a difference?

Kilkenny job will cost me 2k extra in expenses so real wage is 21k + really bad bonus.

I probably should mention its the night shift excess that I am questioning. 4k for giving up weekends and a more normal life in general. I was hoping for 2/3k more.

23k + 4k is a competitive entry level starting salary which the position sounds like.

Everything else you have mentioned makes the Cork one a no brainer to me. The new routine might be a good thing for you. Generally if you do well in the night role a day position may open up if that's what you want after the 6 months.

[Dice75]

The Gentlemen would have been 13 when the Normandy landings happened.

I am not sure this is all factually correct.

Depends what year his second trip to France was.

D-Day never happened anyway, Allied propaganda.

[tipp86]

23k + 4k is a competitive entry level starting salary which the position sounds like.

Everything else you have mentioned makes the Cork one a no brainer to me. The new routine might be a good thing for you. Generally if you do well in the night role a day position may open up if that's what you want after the 6 months.

Fair enough and in real terms working 50% of weekends is probably increasing my wage anyway.

Ya I think reading someone else saying it helps a lot. It is an industry I like which is huge.

[CHDad]

An elderly British gentleman of 83 arrived in Paris by plane.

At the French immigration desk, the man took a few minutes to locate his passport in his carry-on bag.

"You have been to France before, Monsieur?" the Immigration officer asked, sarcastically.

The elderly gentleman admitted he had been to France previously.

"Then you should know well enough to have your passport ready."

The British gentleman says, "The last time I was here, I didn't have to show it."

"Impossible. The British always have to show their passports on arrival in France!"

The elderly gentleman gave the French Immigration Officer a long hard look.

Then he quietly explained:

"Well, the last time I was here, I came ashore on Juno Beach on D-Day in June 1944, and I couldn't find any fucking Frenchmen to show it to!

Why would he bring his passport to war and actively seek a Frenchman to show it to?

[Micknail]

@Tipp, what's the commute to Kk in hours a day?
Sounds a pretty shit life/work balance if commute is 3 hours a day.

Are you dealing with Americans during the night shift?

Would you be driving to cork daily too?

[iSnow]

Ok serious issue here.

I have been offered a role in Kilkenny worth 23K + bonus in an industry that I dont have a great love for.

I have been offered a role in the gaming industry in Cork for 21k + night shift premium of 4k with a review after 6 months. I know I will most likely much prefer the job in Cork. I have gotten a call back while writing this offering me 23K + the 4k.... Is this enough of a difference?

Kilkenny job will cost me 2k extra in expenses so real wage is 21k + really bad bonus.

I probably should mention its the night shift excess that I am questioning. 4k for giving up weekends and a more normal life in general. I was hoping for 2/3k more.

Entry opp into an industry you have an interest in with promo opportunities down the line? Night shift is a bitch though. I did it for 3 years and due to nature of the hours found myself hanging out in niteclubs and those casinos places....

[eamonhonda]

Where would I get a couple of hooks to screw into a fence for a hammock? City centre?

[Wesley Harms]

Doctor doctor I can't stop singing the 'Green Green Grass of Home'. He said: 'That sounds like Tom Jones syndrome'. 'Is it common?'I asked. 'It's not unusual' he replied.

[Guest]

The Gentlemen would have been 13 when the Normandy landings happened.

I am not sure this is all factually correct.

http://youtu.be/LqEB_598cU8?t=2m17s

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[Micknail]

Also he would have had to show his passport before boarding the plane. So, he's managed to lose it so badly in the space of a one hour flight that it takes him a few minutes to find it again in France. The man's a mess.

He just didn't have it in his hand at the desk, please keep up

[AndyFatBastard]

I don't think this joke holds up to much logical scrutiny.

[cardshark202]

I don't think this joke holds up to much logical scrutiny.

I thought it was just a really boring story.

[Guest]

I don't think this joke holds up to much logical scrutiny.

Here is a bad joke what I just wrote:

A woman walks up to the bar with a parrot on her shoulder and says hello in a husky voice.

The barman says hello back as he bends to pick up a glass

While rising, he gets an order for a pint.

Sure he says and what will the bird have?

Would you please refrain from speaking about my companion in that sexist manner, says the parrot.

[CHDad]

It was a joke?

[tipp86]

@Tipp, what's the commute to Kk in hours a day?
Sounds a pretty shit life/work balance if commute is 3 hours a day.

Are you dealing with Americans during the night shift?

Would you be driving to cork daily too?

50 minutes a day each way. I would happily do it but I was told in the Interview that it would be frowned upon. I think I have a potential place to stay that may not require an outright rental.

I would be dealing with American Sport more than Americans due to the gambling restrictions in the States.

Entry opp into an industry you have an interest in with promo opportunities down the line? Night shift is a bitch though. I did it for 3 years and due to nature of the hours found myself hanging out in niteclubs and those casinos places....

Yes, I mentioned in all three interviews that I was interested in progressing to a more analytical role. They seem to be expanding and stated that opportunities pop up on a regular basis. They said the role gives you excellent exposure to the business before moving upwards.

I may drop you a pm later on.

[Ed]

Ok serious issue here.

I have been offered a role in Kilkenny worth 23K + bonus in an industry that I dont have a great love for.

I have been offered a role in the gaming industry in Cork for 21k + night shift premium of 4k with a review after 6 months. I know I will most likely much prefer the job in Cork. I have gotten a call back while writing this offering me 23K + the 4k.... Is this enough of a difference?

Kilkenny job will cost me 2k extra in expenses so real wage is 21k + really bad bonus.

I probably should mention its the night shift excess that I am questioning. 4k for giving up weekends and a more normal life in general. I was hoping for 2/3k more.

Go for the one you're interested in, there's a huge amount of non-monetary benefit to be had from being able to show up for work and not wanting to walk straight back out the door again.

Night shifts can be very tough and they suit some people better than others (hated them myself) but if there's an opportunity down the line to get moved to a day shift in the same role or a different one, then taking the hit for 6 months and performing well will be worth it long term.

[Guest]

It was a joke?

Its a bad joke!

Hence the title of the piece being:

"Here is a bad joke what I just wrote:"

I thought we were having a bad joke day!?

[Lord Sir Banter]

Doctor doctor I can't stop singing the 'Green Green Grass of Home'. He said: 'That sounds like Tom Jones syndrome'. 'Is it common?'I asked. 'It's not unusual' he replied.

Be nice if you could focus on responding to my post regarding method of payment of the money you lost to me rather than writing out shit jokes that are older than strewel.

[Tar.Aldarion]

Wtf, commuting for 50 minutes is frowned upon?

For your first job you should not be looking at the money which is very unimportant compared to other aspects such as job satisfaction and progression.
Money comes with time anyway. There is a pittance between them. Sounds like Cork, no brainer, get experience in an industry you want.

[CHDad]

Its a bad joke!

Hence the title of the piece being:

"Here is a bad joke what I just wrote:"

I thought we were having a bad joke day!?

I meant the short story Finkel wrote.

[Guest]

I meant the short story Finkel wrote.

Seeing as at least 1000 dull auld English bastards say that in France every year it may be more of a tale?

[one ill cat]

Ok serious issue here.

I have been offered a role in Kilkenny worth 23K + bonus in an industry that I dont have a great love for.

I have been offered a role in the gaming industry in Cork for 21k + night shift premium of 4k with a review after 6 months. I know I will most likely much prefer the job in Cork. I have gotten a call back while writing this offering me 23K + the 4k.... Is this enough of a difference?

Kilkenny job will cost me 2k extra in expenses so real wage is 21k + really bad bonus.

I probably should mention its the night shift excess that I am questioning. 4k for giving up weekends and a more normal life in general. I was hoping for 2/3k more.

Night sift can be as grim as you let it imo. I worked it long enough myself & loved it tbh. Played golf several times a week & had a good lifestyle. So if you decide to take that job, set yourself a routine & stick to it. You'd be surprised how manageable it can be with a bit of discipline.

That said, there have been several studies that strongly suggest that working night shift long term can lead to health/mental issues as basically you're fighting your body's natural instinct to sleep when it's dark etc.

The other downside is getting yourself back on a normal clock for your days off, but if your shift patterns are reasonable this can also be managed. I found for me, when I was off for a few days, I'd get home from work & go straight to bed for 4 hours. Then have the afternoon/evening as normal waking time & ready for bed come midnight or whenever, to keep you on a normal schedule.

Personally, working in an industry I have an interest in outweighs the negatives of starting off on night shift. I assume the option to move to days will become available at some point in the medium term in which case it's a relatively short term sacrifice.

[CHDad]

Keano

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHMIYdYtfdU

[CHDad]

Seeing as at least 1000 dull auld English bastards say that in France every year it may be more of a tale?

Lets not beat about the bush.

Its bollocks.

[Wesley Harms]

Be nice if you could focus on responding to my post regarding method of payment of the money you lost to me rather than writing out shit jokes that are older than strewel.

I have already asked for your address so I can send your spoils to you

[SatNav]

ah heorr man up on the night shift! I did it for 12 months and had a baby a few months old. Had a childminder look after her for 6 hours while I slept .

[AndyFatBastard]

The thing I miss the most about working shifts is the time off. 9-5 M-F you barely have enough time to get anything done before it's Monday again. With 4 days of complete freedom you can really settle into your time off and enjoy it properly.

For example, I've barely played any poker since I started my new job. I'm just too tired to focus on it properly on weekdays, and I like to spend Saturday drinking with friends. That leaves only Sunday nights to play, but I always end up staying up too late when I play poker, and that makes Monday even rougher than normal. So I don't bother anymore.

When I was a shift worker, I could easily spend 3 of my 4 nights off in the casino and still have plenty of energy for getting things done, relaxing properly and being ready for my next shift. It's really a swings and roundabouts situation tbh. Once you get used to it, shifts aren't as hard as you might think.

[eamonhonda]

Night shifts can be great when ya get to manage them right.

[Lord Sir Banter]

I have already asked for your address so I can send your spoils to you

Via the post? Postal order? Hand delivery?
A method that doesn't allow it slip through the cracks would make sense.

[Cuchulainn1]

Peter Alliss is one of the worst people in the world.

I read a book by him when I was about thirteen, I think it was called "The Duke". There was a lot of stuff in it the Nuns didn't cover during sex education in sixth class!

Also used to love his golf lessons on BBC when I was around 10/11.

[Lord Sir Banter]

ah heorr man up on the night shift! I did it for 12 months and had a baby a few months old. Had a childminder look after her for 6 hours while I slept .

nriyh

[Wesley Harms]

Via the post? Postal order? Hand delivery?
A method that doesn't allow it slip through the cracks would make sense.

I am sending you more than just money. It's a gift from me to you, one ipb legend to another

[CHDad]

Walter Welcher.

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[iSnow]

Night sift can be as grim as you let it imo. I worked it long enough myself & loved it tbh. Played golf several times a week & had a good lifestyle. So if you decide to take that job, set yourself a routine & stick to it. You'd be surprised how manageable it can be with a bit of discipline.

That said, there have been several studies that strongly suggest that working night shift long term can lead to health/mental issues as basically you're fighting your body's natural instinct to sleep when it's dark etc.

The other downside is getting yourself back on a normal clock for your days off, but if your shift patterns are reasonable this can also be managed. I found for me, when I was off for a few days, I'd get home from work & go straight to bed for 4 hours. Then have the afternoon/evening as normal waking time & ready for bed come midnight or whenever, to keep you on a normal schedule.

Personally, working in an industry I have an interest in outweighs the negatives of starting off on night shift. I assume the option to move to days will become available at some point in the medium term in which case it's a relatively short term sacrifice.

Balderdash. It never did me any harm.

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[Strewelpeter]

I have already asked for your address so I can stalk you

FYP IMO

[Strewelpeter]

@tipp

I'd be a bit circumspect about the gaming job. Is it essentially that you'll be phone support until a better job pops up, or is it something more? They could easily just be dangling the analytics possibility down-the-road just to get you to take this job without having the slightest intention of giving you an analytics position. You're quite pigeon-holed careerwise if you go down the phone support route. I'd personally choose the job that gives you the most solid work experience and training. For your next job in 2-3 years that's what's going to payoff.

Although maybe I'm totally wrong about the nature of the gaming job. Also worth bearing in mind that a lot of gaming analytics will inevitably be highly automated in the next few years, thus requiring less people.

Think carefully about what Hitch is saying and be sure your not walking into a dead end.
I see it in tech roles all the time that someone finds it hard to get a start in a role they want to do and so they start off down side road with a lure of maybe someday you can switch back onto the track you want to be on... manyana. It rarely happens because unless there is a clear progression path written into the job description. If you are any good they will want to keep you doing the job your doing and every year there are cheaper grads coming into the role you wanted in the first place.

[Hectorjelly]

Its a nice few years ago though, I think we are ok for a light hearted joke.

Whats the joke though? Its only funny if you don't know anything about D-Day or world war 1 (not 2). Its not offensive, just rubbish.

[Zod]

The Gentlemen would have been 13 when the Normandy landings happened.

I am not sure this is all factually correct.

Maybe he landed on the beaches of Wexford as part of the FCA when shooting Saving Private Ryan?

[AndyFatBastard]

Balderdash. It never did me any harm.

Ah yes, your single anecdote is much more valuable than any scientific study.

[Jam-Fly]

The Gentlemen would have been 13 when the Normandy landings happened.

I am not sure this is all factually correct.

But he would've been 14 by the time World War II ended?

[NewApproach]

I guess you had to be there.

[White Knight]

@tipp

I'd be a bit circumspect about the gaming job. Is it essentially that you'll be phone support until a better job pops up, or is it something more? They could easily just be dangling the analytics possibility down-the-road just to get you to take this job without having the slightest intention of giving you an analytics position. You're quite pigeon-holed careerwise if you go down the phone support route. I'd personally choose the job that gives you the most solid work experience and training. For your next job in 2-3 years that's what's going to payoff.

Although maybe I'm totally wrong about the nature of the gaming job. Also worth bearing in mind that a lot of gaming analytics will inevitably be highly automated in the next few years, thus requiring less people.

The bit in Red is probably 100% right as it is likely a different hiring manager/HR rep looking after the different departments. However it is what an individual does for their own career progression to get the subsequent ideal role that counts when they start with a company.

The bit in Green is a bit naive tbh. In my current role I have witnessed phone agents going to every differing part of the business and so many different levels. Phone agents have become Marketing Executives, Operation Executives, Team Leaders, Trainers, UX executives, Traders etc. etc.
There are some phone agents who came in at entry level and are now P&L Managers and People Managers after a few years.

In summary once you get in the door you have a potential massive increase in influence on getting any other role within that company as long as you have a focus to do it.

[CHDad]

Shit is going down. Russians shoot down passenger plane.

[eamonhonda]

Shit is going down. Russians shoot down passenger plane.

Malaysian Airlines again...an incident on board seemingly

edit: actually sky says incident on board then says shot down

[The C Kid]

Malaysian Airlines CEO a fairly tough job so far this year.

[eamonhonda]

Malaysian Airlines CEO a fairly tough job so far this year.

Poor fucker was probably thinking " well at least this is rock bottom, it can't get any worse"

[ArmaniJeans]

Plausibly going to be some Irish on board there, Schippol to KL a normal enough leg of a Sydney trip.

[eamonhonda]

Common route for Irish to head out that side of the world too.

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[DeadParrot]

Interfax says it's rebels/ukraine

http://interfax.com.ua/news/general/214112.html

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[Micknail]

Meh, they probably thought it was Ukrainian

http://time.com/3001422/ukraine-russia-jet-separatists/

And this

http://www.businessinsider.com/malaysian-plane-crash-russia-border-2014-7

[oleras]

Auto blame game...Israel taking some heat from them !

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[ionapaul]

Posters on boards saying that if the plane was shot down by a ground-based missile, it would either have to be Russians or soldiers supplied by them doing it, that the rebels wouldn't have access to the tech needed to shoot down a plane at 10,000m without Russian backing.

[Guest]

Plausibly going to be some Irish on board there, Schippol to KL a normal enough leg of a Sydney trip.

I flew that route at christmas and back.