Fitspatrick casino limerick bluffs its customers again

[dcos]

The above named casino has been running a pp league on tues / friday each week for the past numer of weeks 2 seperate leagues with a gtd 2 pp tickets per league . The winner of each league getting a gtd ticket and the top 19 other players playing off for the other ticket . In the last couple of days the management has informed all its players that it would now be only giving 1 ticket per league and not the advertised 2 , as ye can imagine there is alot of disgruntled and angry poker players in limerick at the minute that have spent many hours in the club on tues or friday nights hoping to accumalate points to give them a good shot at winning a ticket.I would just like to make people aware of this situation as it is the 2nd such instance with this casino and false advertising , before x mas they were to gt 10 tickets on a league table for a smaller event this was changed also to 6 tickets a week before the tournament started.. My advice to anybody looking at their adds on line is dont be foooled by what u see...Its a total disgrace how they are treating their customers and i for 1 will be staying clear of the place ..

[Guest]

nice 1st post

[tipp86]

nice 1st post

Why not make it a first post. If it was me id sign my real name to give the post respectability tho.

[dcos]

Fairness my name shouldn't be 2 hard to figure out .

[nicnicnic]

Fairness my name shouldn't be 2 hard to figure out .

I'll take a guess; is it Disco Stew ?

[dcos]

Ha u got it Nicky unmasked me at the first hurdle .

[Jam-Fly]

fwiw, dcos is a fairly well respected player around the place and I don't think he'd make this thread just for the sake of it.

From what I've heard, the club advertised two tickets for two leagues but now are only giving out 1 ticket for each league.

[minor]

Everything went downhill in there when Pavel left

[iSnow]

Bring back Dudley!

[IMINTHETOILET]

It all kicked off tonight with 40+ angry players demanding answers from management, they didnt get much of a responce apart fom being told that the money for the tickets just wasnt met, pretty shocking excuse imo and looks like management are willing to sacrifice their reputation instead of just sucking it up and paying out what they gauranteed!!

[tipp86]

It all kicked off tonight with 40+ angry players demanding answers from management, they didnt get much of a responce apart fom being told that the money for the tickets just wasnt met, pretty shocking excuse imo and looks like management are willing to sacrifice their reputation instead of just sucking it up and paying out what they gauranteed!!

Did the 40+ players then sit down and play in the club? Not been smart or anything just wondering.

[Trigger]

nice 1st post

I think it would be one of the better reasons for signing up and starting a thread.

[IMINTHETOILET]

Did the 40+ players then sit down and play in the club? Not been smart or anything just wondering.

1 or 2 took a stand and decided not but ya 40+ people played

[The Aul Switcharoo]

1 or 2 took a stand and decided not but ya 40+ people played

People should have voted with their feet. They would have changed their attitude then

[Loopz]

It all kicked off tonight with 40+ angry players demanding answers from management, they didnt get much of a responce apart fom being told that the money for the tickets just wasnt met, pretty shocking excuse imo and looks like management are willing to sacrifice their reputation instead of just sucking it up and paying out what they gauranteed!!

1 or 2 took a stand and decided not but ya 40+ people played

People should have voted with their feet. They would have changed their attitude then

lolimerickpeople apart from the 1 or 2 who did the right thing.

[Raekwon]

Would have loved to hear that all 40+ left.

[Loopz]

Would have loved to hear that all 40+ left.

and never returned

[IMINTHETOILET]

People should have voted with their feet. They would have changed their attitude then

Unfortunately im not sure that would have made much difference, seems to me they are much more interested in the punters playing roulette, blackjack etc than than the regular poker players! i do however think this incident will definately cut numbers from the weekly tournaments unless the management do decide to man up and pay out on the original gaurantee!

[dcos]

Unfortunately im not sure that would have made much difference, seems to me they are much more interested in the punters playing roulette, blackjack etc than than the regular poker players! i do however think this incident will definately cut numbers from the weekly tournaments unless the management do decide to man up and pay out on the original gaurantee!

IMO 40+ people not playing the comp would av made a massive difference . Those 40 generate alot of money as the night goes on eg. When they get knocked out they play roulette / black jack / poker machine and all other house games . Also they play cash tables which gives the club their rake, so by walking away it would av hit them in the pocket and at least put a doubt in the managers head . Now he's pissing on the 40 players backs and telling them it's only rain .

[shano1888]

If there was another card club in limerick city this would not have happend. There is no competition and many of the regulars are going to continue to use the club regardless.

I was there last night and when the manager addressed the players it was about 1-1.5 hours into the tournament. Its easy to say vote with your feet or whatever but if you have been playing a league game for 4-5 months your not gonna not come in 2 weeks before the IO, with places still up for grabs and when there is still uncertainty about what was actually happening. If he had talked the players before the tournament started i would say at least half would have walked out. It is very hard to see something like this happening in Dublin, cork or galway where there is healthy competition.

[dcos]

Well he has spoken to the players now so next week shud be interesting to see if they still like giving the money they work for to this English lier . And I find it hard to believe 40 players are still in with a chance of getting a ticket .

[Zosma]

To be fair I don't think they're taking advantage of having no competition, imo they're simply incompetent.

[shano1888]

I dont think they are either. Its just that a lot of players dont have the option of playing elsewhere.

[corkie123]

If there was another card club in limerick city this would not have happend. There is no competition and many of the regulars are going to continue to use the club regardless.

I was there last night and when the manager addressed the players it was about 1-1.5 hours into the tournament. Its easy to say vote with your feet or whatever but if you have been playing a league game for 4-5 months your not gonna not come in 2 weeks before the IO, with places still up for grabs and when there is still uncertainty about what was actually happening. If he had talked the players before the tournament started i would say at least half would have walked out. It is very hard to see something like this happening in Dublin, cork or galway where there is healthy competition.

just had a great laugh with that last bit .its not too long Ago that this happened in cork and it happened as well with the waterford crowd and proberly up in dublin as well and it wont be the last time either as its part of life im afraid with this business.
like everything else if you dont like it dont go there but thats never too easy to do if there no place else to go

[kakak1]

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just had a great laugh with that last bit .its not too long Ago that this happened in cork and it happened as well with the waterford crowd and proberly up in dublin as well and it wont be the last time either as its part of life im afraid with this business.
like everything else if you dont like it dont go there but thats never too easy to do if there no place else to go

what exactly are you implying happened in Waterford, that a guarantee was pulled? ........that competition closed the other club down ...................because neither is correct. And there are a large number of well known Waterford players who find no problem in not playing poker in Waterford any more when there is still a "club" there, I being one.

[Wesley Harms]

And there are a large number of well known Waterford players who find no problem in not playing poker in Waterford any more when there is still a "club" there, I being one.

And you are?

[kakak1]

And you are?

well known & good are not the same thing. I'm well known as being one of the oldest on the circuit ................and your claim to fame

[Raisewithany2]

To get back on topic

I am one of the players that was there on Friday night and am well placed in one of the PP leagues.

A lot of the crew that play these games are purely recreational players (me included) and it's more a social night out with good banter and a pint in the pub at the break.

All that being said I do enjoy a bit of value and a guarantee was given at the start of the leagues, 4 tickets ......2 to the winners of each league and 2 to be played for by the top 20 players in each league. It was stated on Friday night by the "Club Manager" that the guarantee was 3 tickets, however when this question was redicted to the "Poker Room Manager" he agreed with the concensus that 4 were guaranteed.

And remember we are only a week away from the League play-off which to me seems very odd that the club only realises this late they haven't made enough to cover them.Surely thats a bad business decision on the clubs part but a guarantee is a garuantee.....No?

Another thing that surfaced on the Friday night was that the entry fee to the Friday game was €30 + €10scalp + €5 Reg. The club were skimming 10% off the prizepool on top of Reg fees ,we knew this was happening but taught it was going toward the tickets but just the reg money was.

The card room has it 's reputation to consider here and I feel that the Fitzpatrick group need to honour this or come some way close and offer something to keep its members.

I for one will be voting with my feet if something isn't done

[kakak1]

To get back on topic

I am one of the players that was there on Friday night and am well placed in one of the PP leagues.

A lot of the crew that play these games are purely recreational players (me included) and it's more a social night out with good banter and a pint in the pub at the break.

All that being said I do enjoy a bit of value and a guarantee was given at the start of the leagues, 4 tickets ......2 to the winners of each league and 2 to be played for by the top 20 players in each league. It was stated on Friday night by the "Club Manager" that the guarantee was 3 tickets, however when this question was redicted to the "Poker Room Manager" he agreed with the concensus that 4 were guaranteed.

And remember we are only a week away from the League play-off which to me seems very odd that the club only realises this late they haven't made enough to cover them.Surely thats a bad business decision on the clubs part but a guarantee is a garuantee.....No?

Another thing that surfaced on the Friday night was that the entry fee to the Friday game was €30 + €10scalp + €5 Reg. The club were skimming 10% off the prizepool on top of Reg fees ,we knew this was happening but taught it was going toward the tickets but just the reg money was.

The card room has it 's reputation to consider here and I feel that the Fitzpatrick group need to honour this or come some way close and offer something to keep its members.

I for one will be voting with my feet if something isn't done

so how were the dealers being paid then, surely the reg is for dealers wages / overheads & the % (whatever was decided on) was towards the tickets.

[Zosma]

To get back on topic

I am one of the players that was there on Friday night and am well placed in one of the PP leagues.

A lot of the crew that play these games are purely recreational players (me included) and it's more a social night out with good banter and a pint in the pub at the break.

All that being said I do enjoy a bit of value and a guarantee was given at the start of the leagues, 4 tickets ......2 to the winners of each league and 2 to be played for by the top 20 players in each league. It was stated on Friday night by the "Club Manager" that the guarantee was 3 tickets, however when this question was redicted to the "Poker Room Manager" he agreed with the concensus that 4 were guaranteed.

And remember we are only a week away from the League play-off which to me seems very odd that the club only realises this late they haven't made enough to cover them.Surely thats a bad business decision on the clubs part but a guarantee is a garuantee.....No?

Another thing that surfaced on the Friday night was that the entry fee to the Friday game was €30 + €10scalp + €5 Reg. The club were skimming 10% off the prizepool on top of Reg fees ,we knew this was happening but taught it was going toward the tickets but just the reg money was.

The card room has it 's reputation to consider here and I feel that the Fitzpatrick group need to honour this or come some way close and offer something to keep its members.

I for one will be voting with my feet if something isn't done

Probably have to make up the €€€ somehow, since they're not taking a cut of the dealers tips anymore (afaik).

[Loopz]

To get back on topic

I am one of the players that was there on Friday night and am well placed in one of the PP leagues.

A lot of the crew that play these games are purely recreational players (me included) and it's more a social night out with good banter and a pint in the pub at the break.

All that being said I do enjoy a bit of value and a guarantee was given at the start of the leagues, 4 tickets ......2 to the winners of each league and 2 to be played for by the top 20 players in each league. It was stated on Friday night by the "Club Manager" that the guarantee was 3 tickets, however when this question was redicted to the "Poker Room Manager" he agreed with the concensus that 4 were guaranteed.

And remember we are only a week away from the League play-off which to me seems very odd that the club only realises this late they haven't made enough to cover them.Surely thats a bad business decision on the clubs part but a guarantee is a garuantee.....No?

Another thing that surfaced on the Friday night was that the entry fee to the Friday game was €30 + €10scalp + €5 Reg. The club were skimming 10% off the prizepool on top of Reg fees ,we knew this was happening but taught it was going toward the tickets but just the reg money was.

The card room has it 's reputation to consider here and I feel that the Fitzpatrick group need to honour this or come some way close and offer something to keep its members.

I for one will be voting with my feet if something isn't done

if alot of you are rec players and enjoy the banter etc why not aproach some pubs to see if they would run a game for you. Its pints sold for the pub and you don't have to set foot into the casino ever again. Win win situation imo.

[markc]

This whole thing is a complete mess tbh. I was there on Friday myself and would be eligible for the playoff (if there was to be one). I think the following points are key:

- Too much is done in the club by word of mouth. Nothing gets written down so misunderstandings like this are always likely to happen. The players think 4 tickets were guaranteed, the club says 2 were guaranteed and they were hoping to get to three (but this has been disputed). There is not a single piece of evidence from what I can see that says exactly what the club had committed to. In future the terms and conditions of each league should be written down, published in the club and posted here for the avoidance of doubt. This simple step could completely avoid this scenario in the future.

- The club members were clearly under the impression 4 tickets were guaranteed. The club needs to do something about this. From what was said to me on Friday it seems the amount of reg collected (€5 per head) did not even cover 2 tickets (2 being the number the club is now committing to). So if the club stood over the 4 tickets, they would be in the hole for €7k in addition to the overlay on the second ticket.

- If only 2 tickets are provided (one to the winner of each league) the club must, in my view, make some gesture to players 2-21 on each league. Maybe they could meet half way and see if the players would put in X per head to make the 3rd and 4th ticket? Maybe they could arrange a freeroll? There are options here which will help put things right...

- People talking about voting with their feet need to remember that in general the games are run well and are decent value for recreational players and more serious players. I would have no interest switching to a pub for example and I hope that the guys at the club put their heads together and come up with something that makes sense

- A guarantee is a guarantee. If the prize depends on numbers playing it must say 'estimated' - end of story.

- Whatever happens needs to happen fast. If Jude or anyone from the club is following the thread don't let this fester. Sort something out tomorrow, post it and take it from there...

[iSnow]

Another thing that surfaced on the Friday night was that the entry fee to the Friday game was €30 + €10scalp + €5 Reg. The club were skimming 10% off the prizepool on top of Reg fees ,we knew this was happening but taught it was going toward the tickets but just the reg money was.

If Dudley heard this he'd turn in his grave (If he were dead)

[Jam-Fly]

This whole thing is a complete mess tbh. I was there on Friday myself and would be eligible for the playoff (if there was to be one). I think the following points are key:

- Too much is done in the club by word of mouth. Nothing gets written down so misunderstandings like this are always likely to happen. The players think 4 tickets were guaranteed, the club says 2 were guaranteed and they were hoping to get to three (but this has been disputed). There is not a single piece of evidence from what I can see that says exactly what the club had committed to. In future the terms and conditions of each league should be written down, published in the club and posted here for the avoidance of doubt. This simple step could completely avoid this scenario in the future.

- The club members were clearly under the impression 4 tickets were guaranteed. The club needs to do something about this. From what was said to me on Friday it seems the amount of reg collected (€5 per head) did not even cover 2 tickets (2 being the number the club is now committing to). So if the club stood over the 4 tickets, they would be in the hole for €7k in addition to the overlay on the second ticket.

- If only 2 tickets are provided (one to the winner of each league) the club must, in my view, make some gesture to players 2-21 on each league. Maybe they could meet half way and see if the players would put in X per head to make the 3rd and 4th ticket? Maybe they could arrange a freeroll? There are options here which will help put things right...

- People talking about voting with their feet need to remember that in general the games are run well and are decent value for recreational players and more serious players. I would have no interest switching to a pub for example and I hope that the guys at the club put their heads together and come up with something that makes sense

- A guarantee is a guarantee. If the prize depends on numbers playing it must say 'estimated' - end of story.

- Whatever happens needs to happen fast. If Jude or anyone from the club is following the thread don't let this fester. Sort something out tomorrow, post it and take it from there...

I'm pretty sure you didn't mean it this way Mark, but just in case anyone is reading the post and misinterprets, I have to say Jude should be defended and isn't the person to blame. Jude's job is to act as floorman and tournament director, it's the management that deal with the finances etc. Since Jude is the link between IPB and Fitzpatricks, people reading this thread may believe it is him that was at fault or that he is the person people are blaming. He's not at fault, the management is.

[markc]

I'm pretty sure you didn't mean it this way Mark, but just in case anyone is reading the post and misinterprets, I have to say Jude should be defended and isn't the person to blame. Jude's job is to act as floorman and tournament director, it's the management that deal with the finances etc. Since Jude is the link between IPB and Fitzpatricks, people reading this thread may believe it is him that was at fault or that he is the person people are blaming. He's not at fault, the management is.

Of course Jamie, I am not blaming Jude in any way. Just making the point that if he or anyone else from the club is following the thread that an answer will need to be given at some stage. For the sake of everyone involved I think sooner rather than later is best..

[Jam-Fly]

Of course Jamie, I am not blaming Jude in any way. Just making the point that if he or anyone else from the club is following the thread that an answer will need to be given at some stage. For the sake of everyone involved I think sooner rather than later is best..

oh ya totally, that's what I thought you meant, I just felt that people reading the thread not knowing much about the club in Limerick might think we were all having a go at everyone incl Jude when that is not the case.


and yeah I agree, would be nice to hear an 'official' response from the club.

[Raisewithany2]

so how were the dealers being paid then, surely the reg is for dealers wages / overheads & the % (whatever was decided on) was towards the tickets.

This has only been happening since about these PP leagues started up . There has always been leagues in play in the fitz , how did they pay their dealers then?
But thats beside the point we were of the understanding the extra 10%+reg was going towards the tickets , if it wasn't .....then say so!!

I also have to agree with the above sentiment about Jude, he runs a great game and is a lot of fun around the tables , the decision came from over his head

[iSnow]

When I used to work there a few years ago I raked an average of 10 times what I was being paid nightly

[kakak1]

When I used to work there a few years ago I raked an average of 10 times what I was being paid nightly

the difference is certainly not all profit if that's what you think

[greywolf]

Can not the casino come on here and explain why they changed the ticket guarantee, and clear everything up.

[corkie123]

what exactly are you implying happened in Waterford, that a guarantee was pulled? ........that competition closed the other club down ...................because neither is correct. And there are a large number of well known Waterford players who find no problem in not playing poker in Waterford any more when there is still a "club" there, I being one.

delighted for you

[kakak1]

delighted for you

you haven't answered the question

[Morihei]

I'm well known as being one of the oldest on the circuit ...

[Easymoney]

Irish Open League

The Fitzpatricks Casino & Cardroom would first of all like to apologise to all concerned regarding this incident and the bad feelings created by it has upset us deeply.
The original tournament was designed as having a guarantee of 3 tickets with the possibillity of having a 4th if funds were available,which due to the drop in player numbers is sadly not the case.
We apologise once again for this misunderstanding and we should have made this clear from the beginning on the notice board and not verbally.
To respond to the 10% taken this is a universal charge made by all cardrooms to cover the salary of dealers and any additional costs incurred.
To clarify the situation,as it stands there will be 3 tickets available,1 for the winner of both leagues and a further ticket to be played for by the top 20 in both leagues.
Once again we apologise for not clearly posting this on our notice board as should have been done and we assure our players this will not happen again.

Fitzpatricks Of Limerick,Management

[Micknail]

To respond to the 10% taken this is a universal charge made by all cardrooms to cover the salary of dealers and any additional costs incurred.


Fitzpatricks Of Limerick,Management

What?

If you can't cover costs of running the event, put up the reg charge, not skim the prize fund.
Also, lol to the bolded part.

[markc]

The Fitzpatricks Casino & Cardroom would first of all like to apologise to all concerned regarding this incident and the bad feelings created by it has upset us deeply.
The original tournament was designed as having a guarantee of 3 tickets with the possibillity of having a 4th if funds were available,which due to the drop in player numbers is sadly not the case.
We apologise once again for this misunderstanding and we should have made this clear from the beginning on the notice board and not verbally.
To respond to the 10% taken this is a universal charge made by all cardrooms to cover the salary of dealers and any additional costs incurred.
To clarify the situation,as it stands there will be 3 tickets available,1 for the winner of both leagues and a further ticket to be played for by the top 20 in both leagues.
Once again we apologise for not clearly posting this on our notice board as should have been done and we assure our players this will not happen again.

Fitzpatricks Of Limerick,Management

Thanks for the reply Jude. Hopefully most of the players will accept that this is the best the club can do in the circumstances. Swallowing EUR 7,000+ isn't the easiest thing and going halfway is a reasonable solution in my view. Posting the T's&C's on the board for each league is definitely the way to go.

Personally I think it is better in future if the reg goes to the club and the % witheld from the prizepool funds any tickets on offer but either way, as long as it is in writing people can make up their own minds.

Lastly - can you post back to say when the playoff is happening? Please don't do it this coming Saturday night cos the Munster game is on

[iSnow]

the difference is certainly not all profit if that's what you think

Are you absolutely serious?
I can tell you now that I know considerably more than you about operational overheads in the gaming industry and your comment seems an attempt to provoke. You should be banned for trolling and encouraged to act your age and enjoy your retirement.

In an aside I'd like to thank Jude for his comments but feel he was made a scapegoat here as he is the only one who has any integrity left in this sorry mess and therefor the only spokesperson capable of commenting.

Jude for President IMO

[kakak1]

Are you absolutely serious?
I can tell you now that I know considerably more than you about operational overheads in the gaming industry and your comment seems an attempt to provoke. You should be banned for trolling and encouraged to act your age and enjoy your retirement.

In an aside I'd like to thank Jude for his comments but feel he was made a scapegoat here as he is the only one who has any integrity left in this sorry mess and therefor the only spokesperson capable of commenting.

Jude for President IMO

iSnow I have no idea who you are & I doubt you know me. I have no problem having a laugh & joke about my age with posters like Richie Lawlor, Morehei & The Aul Switcharoo who I know well but I'm fucked if I'm going to take it from someone I don't know so shut the fcuk up with your age related comments.

You probably do know more about the gaming industry than I do but I doubt you know more about running a business than I do.

You don't need to know anything about any business to know that the difference between what you earn in a hour and what you rake in a hour (10 times more) is not all profit which is what I said. Why is that trolling ? Your statement implied (to me anyway) that the difference was all profit. Believe it or not there are many fools playing poker out there who think this is the case.

I cannot understand where you are coming from in saying I am trying to provoke..........provoke what. I had nothing to say for or against the decisions of the poker club in this thread because I am not aware of the facts. I entered the conversation in relation to comments made about other clubs which I felt were not correct.

So where you think I'm coming from I do not know, I suggest you go back & read the thread again.

[Wesley Harms]

Are you absolutely serious?
I can tell you now that I know considerably more than you about operational overheads in the gaming industry and your comment seems an attempt to provoke. You should be banned for trolling and encouraged to act your age and enjoy your retirement.

In an aside I'd like to thank Jude for his comments but feel he was made a scapegoat here as he is the only one who has any integrity left in this sorry mess and therefor the only spokesperson capable of commenting.

Jude for President IMO

Attack the person asking a fair question and then stand up for your mates in the casino. Well done. And what do you mean you 'know considerably more about the operational overheads in the gaming industry' it's hardly a secret like, does this casino have some hidden overheads that other casinos don't.

Also your comments to Dave are well out of order.

[DAMO72]

iSnow I have no idea who you are & I doubt you know me. I have no problem having a laugh & joke about my age with posters like Richie Lawlor, Morehei & The Aul Switcharoo who I know well but I'm fucked if I'm going to take it from someone I don't know so shut the fcuk up with your age related comments.

You probably do know more about the gaming industry than I do but I doubt you know more about running a business than I do.

You don't need to know anything about any business to know that the difference between what you earn in a hour and what you rake in a hour (10 times more) is not all profit which is what I said. Why is that trolling ? Your statement implied (to me anyway) that the difference was all profit. Believe it or not there are many fools playing poker out there who think this is the case.

I cannot understand where you are coming from in saying I am trying to provoke..........provoke what. I had nothing to say for or against the decisions of the poker club in this thread because I am not aware of the facts. I entered the conversation in relation to comments made about other clubs which I felt were not correct.

So where you think I'm coming from I do not know, I suggest you go back & read the thread again.

My cocks bigger than your cock

[someflop67]

We will see will this happen again .It is very easy to sort out.1 when you start a leauge in the club just put up what we ar playing for. 2 when it is over.3 when is the final on for all to see so no one can say they did not know.BY THE WAY I STILL DONT LIKE WHAT WENT ON

[kakak1]

My cocks bigger than your cock

does your wife tell you everything

[iancr]

The 3rd ticket is very much welcomed. I hope something like this doesnt happen again, so posting all info about the league (no. of tickets, duration of league and date of league play off etc.) is a must. IMHO Jude is not to blame for this, he is only following directions from management.

best thing to do is move on from this incident and hope the players suggestions are noted and considered. The players, Jude and dealers make the poker room what it is not the management, management need to learn this and start thinking about the welfare of us.

[bantee]

What a joke! I was in the league but haven't played in a while, thank fuck.

I said a few times that I'd be surprised if the 2 leagues were going to generate €14k worth of tickets. Over the last year or so there is no transparency of what tickets are being played for in most of the leagues. Fair play for stumping up the 3rd ticket as it may well save some of your regulars (albeit after being shamed into it). A lot of them have grown increasingly pissed off with situations like this and extra charges added to tournaments.

Maybe just advertise a realistic amount of tickets for each league and then throw in a few extra if the funds are generated?

It would be a pity to see the poker die off altogether in the place due to poor management of it. And this isn't aimed at Jude, but the general running of the club to let poker take a back seat to everything else.

[DAMO72]

does your wife tell you everything

Be carefull you old cunt or i will come down there and bitchslap your geriatric candy ass around the harbour .

[Wesley Harms]

Be carefull you old cunt or i will come down there and bitchslap your geriatric candy ass around the harbour .

He may be old but he would still out run you ya tub

[DAMO72]

He may be old but he would still out run you ya tub

Pot , Kettle , muhahahahaha

[EnzoScifo]

First of all, its a great club with a cracking community and an excellent tourney structure run by the funniest and most politically incorrect (which is why we love him ) poker manager in the land but one that is excellent at his role. Above him we have a management team who generally dont give a fuck about anything south of the last Mega Texas Table. The 2 head boys have no intrest in Poker just gaming (I kid you not when i say that i'm not sure if either of them know how to play holdem) In response to the statement drafted below..

The Fitzpatricks Casino & Cardroom would first of all like to apologise to all concerned regarding this incident and the bad feelings created by it has upset us deeply.

The fact that ye actually though you were just going to announce a shortfall of 6,600 euro a week before the end of a 6 month league and that nobody would mind is laughable.

The original tournament was designed as having a guarantee of 3 tickets with the possibillity of having a 4th if funds were available,which due to the drop in player numbers is sadly not the case.

This is bullshit of the highest order. You announced last week that there was only 2 tickets in total but now its gone to 3. The Irish Open league has being running for years and has always had 2 tickets for the league and this continued when you decided to run 2 leagues (this is either the 2nd or 3rd year of the 2nd league). We had 62 and a couple of 50's at the start of the Friday league but they have been 30ish for the last 3 months, was it just last week that you checked to see how much was in the kitty or were you expecting a turn out of 200+ for the last couple of weeks?

We apologise once again for this misunderstanding and we should have made this clear from the beginning on the notice board and not verbally.

Their is no misunderstanding on your customers part, everyone is aware of the stroke you were trying to pull.

To respond to the 10% taken this is a universal charge made by all cardrooms to cover the salary of dealers and any additional costs incurred.

Again, this is more shite. All league's were paid for in all your tourneys from the reg since the doors opened. You introduced this 10% (cant remember but it must be a year or so ago) and told everyone that the Reg taken for tourneys was not covering the leagues and that you now needed to take an extra 10% to cover the cost of the tickets. Lets be very clear, everyone was aware of this and the 10% has never being mentioned as a cover to pay the staff..until now..

To clarify the situation,as it stands there will be 3 tickets available,1 for the winner of both leagues and a further ticket to be played for by the top 20 in both leagues.

Your still 1 ticket short. There was an unofficial gurantee. So much so that this Wednesday (for Tue night league) and Saturday (for Fri night league) were the dates for the play offs and again common knowledge among your customers. If there was ever only 2 tickets why did everyone know about the play offs?

Once again we apologise for not clearly posting this on our notice board as should have been done and we assure our players this will not happen again.

Fitzpatricks Of Limerick,Management

Finally, the maths.. the rumour is that the club would be in the hole for the full 7k for 2 tickets but will take the 3.5k hit. I hope most of my figures are correct but there is no hit.

Fri: Reg + 10% = 3993 + 1996 = 5989
Tue:Reg + 10% = 2562 + 2052 = 4614
Total Taken = 10603
3 Tickets = 10500
Difference = + 103

The average field from Dec to now on Friday is 36.3 players. The sheets in the club are missing for the first 2 to 4 weeks (when their was 50 + and a 62 at the very least) but i'm only going to calcualate it that the opening tourneys had 36.3 players as well.

Reg 36.3 x 5 x 22 tourneys = 3993
Prize pool = 36.3 x 25 x 22 (im not going to add in the extra prize pool due to increased buy in over the last month) = 19965 (10% = 1996)

Avg field on Tue is 27 with 15 tourneys. Its a rebuy tourney with often a couple of poeple buying back for 100 euro. For the figures below I have only taken that each player has either had 1 buy back OR top up but not both (which is prob well short of reality)

Reg 27 x 5 x 19 = 2562
Prize pool = 27 x (20 + 20 = 40) x 19 = 20520 (10% = 2052)

Some Final Points

The overall management reputuption (apart from Jude) is in the gutter.

The club will continue to have a healty nightly customer base as their is no competition locally.

Could you let us know whether or not we can have the telly on to watch the matches or will this be decided on a nightly basis.

If you decide to again bring over another world snooker champion to play in the club, you might let the punters know they are paying for his bounty, his mates and the local publican before they get down to the final 5 on the night.

[Lisa]

Finally, the maths.. the rumour is that the club would be in the hole for the full 7k for 2 tickets but will take the 3.5k hit. I hope most of my figures are correct but there is no hit.

Just to be clear, are you saying there is no hit only on the basis that the 10% and the €5 both go towards paying for the tickets? IE that the club should take no reg fee at all to pay dealers, overheads etc?

[tylerdurden94]

Can we keep this thread on track and stop with all the drivel/snipping/jokes etc, cheers.