Quick IPO Spot

[Guest]

Not 100% sure of the details but I’m fairly close. There’s about 15 minutes play left on day 1 (1500/3000/300). I’m playing about 48k to start the hand. Rupinder Bedi (>200k) opens to 6.1k in the c/o and I flat with in the SB with KdJh. I had shoved over him about 3 times when I was in the 15bb region and he folded all 3. BB (70k) who is playing fairly snug and in-line also flats 19.6k in the middle and I have 42k remaining. Flop comes KcJd8c.
My thinking (as primarily a 100bb online cash player!) at the time was that this is a board that can get checked through a lot and half the deck is bad for me and I would lead very often here. Also, leading may induce the BB into the pot where he would mostly fold to a bet from Bedi and a shove from me. So what I’m wondering is whether or not to lead or CRAI and if leading, for how much?

[Bubbleking]

If your not shoving fold pre. I really dont like the call.

On the flop I probably just open shove - add 50% to your stack. theres a decent chance you get looked up light enough because its such a draw heavy flop. So yeah shove and hope someone calls

[ghostface]

This was the 1500/3000/500 level right? so playing c. 16 bigs i don't like the flat pre at all. Shove/Fold for me pre, as played open shove flop

Edit: the blinds aren't this at all are they!!

[Guest]

Yeah shoving pre was probably the best option but being an online drone the maths weren't immediately obvious to me when the numbers weren't in front of my face. I think the call is ok when he basically minraises, has a very wide range, is giving me great odds and I'm never being squeezed. I was shoving most flops if we were HU and I flopped any equity.

@ste: Ante was 300, so there was 13.6k in the pot when it got to me and I'd to call 4.6k.

[Tremolo1]

Calling is terrible pre unless you plan to shove almost every flop

[shano_88]

Its definitely a shove pre. As played shoving the flop seems fine to me.

[Guest]

Seems weird that over the years since HoH was written that opens have gotten so small and re-shoves have gotten so big!

[JamieCarra]

You've only got 16x, hardly a big reshove!

[Bubbleking]

Seems weird that over the years since HoH was written that opens have gotten so small and re-shoves have gotten so big!

reshoves have to be big even if you are only min opening - I can't imagine myself raise folding to a 12bb or less shove unless the shover is a bit of a rock.

[Winning!]

This is a perfect spot shove pre against someone who opens as much as Rupinder. All day, regardless of recent history. Even when he decides to take a stand against you it doesn't make the move terrible, since {AJ+,KQ} were never folding to your reshove anyway

As played I c/shove over b/call. We rep lots of draws, get called wide. Dont worry too much about luring Bb in tbh

[Guest]

You've only got 16x, hardly a big reshove!

In my day we only shoved when we'd 10bb or less

[Guest]

Anyway I agree that shoving pre- was better but I just couldn't see the wood for the trees at the time. I still don't hate the call though. Surprised so many people are OK with the open shove, which is what I did. Kinda felt a bit donkish and MUTBS-ish about it at after I did it.

[Mellor]

CRAI>open shove imo>bet/call

[sligoboi]

Seems weird that over the years since HoH was written that opens have gotten so small and re-shoves have gotten so big!

20bb 3bet shoves over a loose open raiser make me do my O Face

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