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**mcnugget** · 06-12-12, 00:27

Any reads on villain?
As played I'd bet fold ~6k. Prefer a smaller 3b pre too against most opponents, something like 5500

**merkum wallop** · 06-12-12, 11:18

No reads on villian think he was pretty new to table and I was playing a few.

**Fiend** · 06-12-12, 11:56

Bet 7k again and give up if called. Id say. Dry board thats hit your range. If he stays then I'd say your're beat and we're too shallow to try and get him off a weakish ace.

**Winning!** · 06-12-12, 16:14

Prefer a peel pre this deep but 3b/c isn't terrible. Either 4567/f flop with a view to triple barrelling, or 6789/f and give up on the turn. Dont make a habit of checking back A-high flops vs regs since it's tough to balance with a range that can call two barrels on turn/river and burns equity

**Caf** · 06-12-12, 16:20

Originally posted by Winning! View Post

Prefer a peel pre this deep but 3b/c isn't terrible. Either 4567/f flop with a view to triple barrelling, or 6789/f and give up on the turn. Dont make a habit of checking back A-high flops vs regs since it's tough to balance with a range that can call two barrels on turn/river and burns equity

Why do you prefer a peel pre?

**Winning!** · 06-12-12, 16:48

Originally posted by Caf View Post

Why do you prefer a peel pre?

We keep ranges wide and SPR high with an under-repped hand. At the same time it would be close to the bottom of our 3b/gii range this deep and is never in great shape vs a range that villain piles 37BB with pre, even bvb, so would rather the lower variance route unless villain is an absolute monkey who tools out any PP/Ax/etc.

Also the times villain peels our 3b we're in tough spots quite often since overcards will flop a lot, and low SPR narrows our options

**Hectorjelly** · 06-12-12, 17:01

I can't see why you would want to 3bet pre

**Caf** · 06-12-12, 17:22

Originally posted by Winning! View Post

We keep ranges wide and SPR high with an under-repped hand. At the same time it would be close to the bottom of our 3b/gii range this deep and is never in great shape vs a range that villain piles 37BB with pre, even bvb, so would rather the lower variance route unless villain is an absolute monkey who tools out any PP/Ax/etc.

Also the times villain peels our 3b we're in tough spots quite often since overcards will flop a lot, and low SPR narrows our options

Thought so, I'd OPR but still prob 3bet/gii, lowest pair I would 3b/gii but we're going to have to have the bottom of our range at some stage. I'd imagine people will stack off a lot lighter than you think.

Obv I'm not saying flatting is bad or anything, merit to both lines though.

Originally posted by Hectorjelly View Post

I can't see why you would want to 3bet pre

Value, in a $11 game.

**Winning!** · 06-12-12, 18:18

I dont know how true that is in an $11 Caf, like I would expect people to peel our 3bets with worse PPs/Ax/Kx(x<=9) way more than they'll ever 4b-commit, and that's the part of their range we hope to see when we gii. They'll also put themselves in stupid spots postflop when we flat, barreling bad run-outs, polarising their ranges or turning their hand face-up with c/c lines, etc. We can make decisions so much easier there, whereas by 3b we face tougher higher risk decisions in bloated pots.

Like the alternative to saying "we have to have to the bottom of our range sometimes, and this is it" is to just tighten our 3b range, then flat and play poker with the rest. Taking a high variance route for maybe a few BB in longterm EV is just wholly unneccessary in such a soft tournament when we can flat and play highly +EV poker owning ppl HU in pos with wide ranges.

**peterswellman** · 06-12-12, 18:36

Recently, I find when I 3-bet in spots like this I have people cram on me a whole lot with Ax hands because they always seem to think i'm FOS even this deep. Randoms no matter how bad seem to put alot of value in Ax hands here in this spots when I 3-bet. Sometimes, you could almost get ATC type hands here that are just stuffing on me. Also think when we 3-bet we get all pairs to cram on us.

Games like this are the majority of the ones i've been playing over the last year, albeit majority of the time on .FR. While I previously would 3-bet snap call this here maybe I should look to introduce flatting into my game here at times. I'd go along with Caf here and say though we can def 3-bet/call for value. Such when we're flatted and get boards like this.

Does anyone ever check/back these boards here with 99 and balance it by checking back say A6 type hands aswell here on the flop?

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