Tournament. 6 remain. Blinds 2000 / 4000. Average stack about 20k
UTG shoves for 15k
UTG+1 (chip leader) reshoves for 45k
folded to BB who has about 20k
UTG thinks BB has folded and asks UTG+1 "Am I in trouble?"
UTG+1 also thinks BB has folded (probably because UTG has asked the question) and says - "Yep... I have aces"
BB says he has not acted yet. He claims that UTG+1's hand is dead because he has told what he has, so he can now call the original shove and only have UTG to beat. (There was no discussion about whether UTG+1 would have to leave 20k or 15k in the pot - this was not the issue).
UTG+1, UTG and basically everyone else says that BB is out of order and that this is not in the spirit of the game. Dealer explains situation to TD who rules that the aces are not dead. BB folds and later bitches that he would have hit two pair and that the ruling was wrong and and and.... It seems that BB had rags - maybe would have hit two pair.
AA holds up (UTG had A6 for what its worth) and he goes on to win the tournament.
Now I have heard it said before that if you delcare your hand correctly it is dead, but I cannot find any mention of this in Robert's rules. In any case, surely that would be to deal with deliberately telling when knowing the action was not over. Fairness and common sense (and a good TD) would surely overrule in this situation even if there is such a rule.
Any views? Does the rule differ from place to place? Anyone come across the rule as stated by the BB?
UTG shoves for 15k
UTG+1 (chip leader) reshoves for 45k
folded to BB who has about 20k
UTG thinks BB has folded and asks UTG+1 "Am I in trouble?"
UTG+1 also thinks BB has folded (probably because UTG has asked the question) and says - "Yep... I have aces"
BB says he has not acted yet. He claims that UTG+1's hand is dead because he has told what he has, so he can now call the original shove and only have UTG to beat. (There was no discussion about whether UTG+1 would have to leave 20k or 15k in the pot - this was not the issue).
UTG+1, UTG and basically everyone else says that BB is out of order and that this is not in the spirit of the game. Dealer explains situation to TD who rules that the aces are not dead. BB folds and later bitches that he would have hit two pair and that the ruling was wrong and and and.... It seems that BB had rags - maybe would have hit two pair.
AA holds up (UTG had A6 for what its worth) and he goes on to win the tournament.
Now I have heard it said before that if you delcare your hand correctly it is dead, but I cannot find any mention of this in Robert's rules. In any case, surely that would be to deal with deliberately telling when knowing the action was not over. Fairness and common sense (and a good TD) would surely overrule in this situation even if there is such a rule.
Any views? Does the rule differ from place to place? Anyone come across the rule as stated by the BB?
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