call with player behind?

[Pat Mustard]

Full Tilt, $5 + $0.50 NL Hold'em Tournament, 50/100 Blinds, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BB: 4,648
UTG: 1,608
MP: 1,665
CO: 1,659
BTN: 1,770
Hero (SB): 2,150

Pre-Flop: (150) 2:club: Q:heart: dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG calls 100, MP folds, CO calls 100, BTN folds, Hero calls 50, BB checks

Flop: (400) Q:spade: A:heart: 8:diamond: (4 Players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, CO checks

Turn: (400) 2:heart: (4 Players)
Hero checks, BB bets 100, UTG raises to 200, CO folds, Hero calls 200, BB calls 100

River: (1,000) 7:club: (3 Players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets 500, Hero ??????


got to see what they had because bb calls, is this the right decision? should i have bet river or raised turn...opinions please

[A_CitizenErased]

I fold pre here always.

[Pat Mustard]

I fold pre here always.

for 50 from sb....ppssshhh

[peterswellman]

Raise the turn imo.

[A_CitizenErased]

for 50 from sb....ppssshhh

And what if the BB woke up with a monster. Are you calling a raise then?

[Wombatman]

Fold Pre
Bet out on the turn
Call River as played

[sligoboi]

Fold pre is a given but at least try and give him some info on what he's asking.

Any reads? I'm struggling to think of a hand we beat that takes this line. Limp utg. Check flop. Minraise turn. 1/2Pot river into 2 opponents. AK is the only semi believable one but even that is spazilicious.

I fold here. fwiw I probably lead turn -> looks like a steal and we can get paid off by 1 pair hands. The way we got here we beat nothing

[Caf]

I fold pf, we don't have a stack to be making a call here imo. Never ever folding the river as played though, I'd just call. I'd find it hard not to c/r the turn but I guess 3betting there to this min raising BS isn't great. It's a painful hand to read tbh.

for 50 from sb....ppssshhh

Say what now?

[Pat Mustard]

And what if the BB woke up with a monster. Are you calling a raise then?

obv not ...are u taking the piss?

[sligoboi]

And what if the BB woke up with a monster. Are you calling a raise then?

This isn't why we fold pre.

[A_CitizenErased]

obv not ...are u taking the piss?

No piss taking. You just said ah sure for 50 im going to have to call. Just saying fold pre.
Im calling the river.

[Pat Mustard]

Full Tilt, $5 + $0.50 NL Hold'em Tournament, 50/100 Blinds, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BB: 4,648
UTG: 1,608
MP: 1,665
CO: 1,659
BTN: 1,770
Hero (SB): 2,150

Pre-Flop: (150) 2:club: Q:heart: dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG calls 100, MP folds, CO calls 100, BTN folds, Hero calls 50, BB checks

Flop: (400) Q:spade: A:heart: 8:diamond: (4 Players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, CO checks

Turn: (400) 2:heart: (4 Players)
Hero checks, BB bets 100, UTG raises to 200, CO folds, Hero calls 200, BB calls 100

River: (1,000) 7:club: (3 Players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets 500, Hero folds, BB calls 500

Results: 2,000 Pot
BB showed K:spade: Q:club: and WON 2,000 (+1,300 NET)
UTG showed J:heart: T:heart: and LOST (-800 NET)

[A_CitizenErased]

This isn't why we fold pre.

I know that. Im just saying the fact he said it only cost him 50. If your man raised then that 50 would be just a waste anyway. I know why we fold pre.

[sligoboi]

wow. ul, take a note and move on

[A_CitizenErased]

wow. ul, take a note and move on

Unlucky.

[Caf]

Any reads? I'm struggling to think of a hand we beat that takes this line. Limp utg. Check flop. Minraise turn. 1/2Pot river into 2 opponents. AK is the only semi believable one but even that is spazilicious.

I was struggling to find a hand we beat too. It's a woeful line by everyone in the hand imo, like I said it hurts to read it. I guess villain(s) can turn up with the A's that don't make two pair. A lot of weak players will limp and check back a single pair, Aces, on flop thinking that they have the nuts and can slow play, so on that basis I think we have to call. I'd be bear certain that we have the BB beat so can almost rule him out imo, prob just a Q in his hand most of the time.

[Caf]

I was struggling to find a hand we beat too. It's a woeful line by everyone in the hand imo, like I said it hurts to read it. I guess villain(s) can turn up with the A's that don't make two pair. A lot of weak players will limp and check back a single pair, Aces, on flop thinking that they have the nuts and can slow play, so on that basis I think we have to call. I'd be bear certain that we have the BB beat so can almost rule him out imo, prob just a Q in his hand most of the time.

Didn't see the result while I wrote this, which was posted waaaaaaaay too early imo.

[Crow]

You fold pre to avoid situations like this

You're OOP and have a junk hand, if you hit you're more than likely gonna be dominated by a stronger Q

[nismo9]

Always looking him up. You can bet 500-600 on river and fold to a raise also.

[Mellor]

Putting in 1/3 of our stack and folding to a raise is pretty bad. c/c is so much better

[Moneymaker]

Call the river. Your hand is very underepped and it's not like it's a dangerous board or anything. You only really lose to Aces up, which is unlikely imo. And it's certainly the case that worse can be value betting here.

Also, fold pre. I can't stress this enough. Awful hand, worst position on the table = tons of nasty spots. You ended up with 2 pair here and still folded! What more evidence do you need that pre is terribad?

[Carl_Morrissey]

Fold Pre
Bet out on the turn
Call River as played

This

[fuzzbox]

Putting in 1/3 of our stack and folding to a raise is pretty bad. c/c is so much better

Why is c/c better?
What if nobody bets?

[fuzzbox]

To OP:

Why did you chk/call such tiny amounts on the turn?
Why did you not bet?
When you didnt bet and they minbet and minraise - why did you not raise?
Why did you call the turn, and then c/f a blank river?

[Mellor]

Why is c/c better?
What if nobody bets?

Because bet folding such a large proportion of our stack is throwing chips away.

If you are worried that nobody will bet and you are missing value then bet/call. If you think your hand has showdown potential but may be losing to UTG's aces up then check/call.

Both options are far better than bet fold on this river imo. And imo, I don't think there is much in it. Most, if not all hands, that call a river bet will fire something if checked to here.