Confused the shit out of me.

[A_CitizenErased]

Before anyone says it. Yes I know, it wasnt the best of play by me. But that shitty bet on the turn then the huge bet on river really confused me a lot. Whats the best advice you could give me?


Full Tilt, $6 + $0.50 NL Hold'em Tournament, 40/80 Blinds, 8 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

MP2: 3,330
CO: 7,295
Hero (BTN): 2,435
SB: 2,335
BB: 2,875
UTG: 1,950
UTG+1: 6,930
MP1: 2,220

Pre-Flop: (120) 8 8 dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls 80, MP1 folds, MP2 calls 80, CO folds, Hero raises to 300, 3 folds, MP2 calls 220

Flop: (800) T 6 J (2 Players)
MP2 checks, Hero checks

Turn: (800) Q (2 Players)
MP2 bets 80, Hero calls 80

River: (960) 3 (2 Players)
MP2 bets 960, Hero calls 960

Results: 2,880 Pot
MP2 showed 6 6 and WON 2,880 (+1,540 NET)
Hero mucked 8 8 and LOST (-1,340 NET)

[Crow]

Best advice i can give is fold the river. You say it confused you, well if it doesn't feel right, then fold.

Think what hands are you beating on the river that limp/called 300 pre

[A_CitizenErased]

Best advice i can give is fold the river. You say it confused you, well if it doesn't feel right, then fold.

Think what hands are you beating on the river that limp/called 300 pre

I didnt put him on a pocket pair pre-flop though as he only limped. Guess limping with 6s is normal enough. He was mp I guess

[Keane]

Can't see that massive overbet being a bluff.

Why would he ever bet so much bluffing when a standard bet is going to get you to fold any hands you would be folding anyway?

[Crow]

I didnt put him on a pocket pair pre-flop though as he only limped. Guess limping with 6s is normal enough. He was mp I guess

If you didnt think he had a pocket pair then nearly everything else that he's calling with hit that board

[Keane]

I didnt put him on a pocket pair pre-flop though as he only limped. Guess limping with 6s is normal enough. He was mp I guess

I would have thought small/medium pocket pairs make up a huge amount of most players overlimp ranges.

[ghostface]

I'm pretty sure I'd never call the turn bet here. Either fold or raise.

[anymorejokes]

when i read the title
Confused the shit out of me.

i thought straight away fold, if your not sure what to do fold.

in this case its a def fold, what did you put him on?

[Bubbleking]

too ,ocked to read other replys

I def cbet and fold river though

[Keane]

Yeah I forgot to mention have to c-bet as well.

[Flushdraw]

I'm pretty sure I'd never call the turn bet here. Either fold or raise.

Now that's a tad nitty. He bet 1/10 of the pot and we have maybe 4 x 9s and 2 x 8s to give us the best hand if we're behind.

The river is any easy fold tho, and it's a spot where Mahony gets himself into a few times. I think the problem is that you don't put your opponent on a hand. You said that you don't put him on a PP (you should, but that's a different point) so what non pair hands can he have that you beat? Remember he limp called preflop

Well not AK,AQ,AJ,A10,KQ,KJ,K10,K9,QJ,Q10,Q9,J10,J9,109,108 ,98 for starters. Then there's all the 2 spade hands. You are basically beating nothing. If he turns over 87s, wp but i wouldn't be calling 320 on the river nevermind 960. Take time to put your opponent on a range of hands when you're playing and this game becomes a helluva lot easier

[A_CitizenErased]

Now that's a tad nitty. He bet 1/10 of the pot and we have maybe 4 x 9s and 2 x 8s to give us the best hand if we're behind.

The river is any easy fold tho, and it's a spot where Mahony gets himself into a few times. I think the problem is that you don't put your opponent on a hand. You said that you don't put him on a PP (you should, but that's a different point) so what non pair hands can he have that you beat? Remember he limp called preflop

Well not AK,AQ,AJ,A10,KQ,KJ,K10,K9,QJ,Q10,Q9,J10,J9,109,108 ,98 for starters. Then there's all the 2 spade hands. You are basically beating nothing. If he turns over 87s, wp but i wouldn't be calling 320 on the river nevermind 960. Take time to put your opponent on a range of hands when you're playing and this game becomes a helluva lot easier

Ok thanks tony. Actually just said in another thread going to take a break from the online tables for maybe 2 weeks and study it a bit more before getting back into it. Thanks for the help.

[Kenny]

if your raising with 88 pre in this spot you have to be c betting ALOT of flops since you decided to play fast with raise pre, a call with 88 here on the river is like a calling with A high almost

[TommyGunne]

Why do people want to cbet here? I don't get it?

Think pls

[Bubbleking]

caus we fold out a large %0f a range thats ahead of us

yeah uck on internet pemis

[Crow]

yeah uck on internet pemis

Look on the internet for penis?

That what you do when you're drunk?

[Bubbleking]

ship caus folding is gay?

[TommyGunne]

caus we fold out a large %0f a range thats ahead of us

yeah uck on internet pemis

???

[TheDrunkenOne]

raising pre with middle pp you wanna see trips or no more than one overcard

board texture on flop hits a lot of draws as well as calling hands

turn hits AK, which u may hold/represent and where i would raise to 300-500 to define hand ...he likely to reraise his trips there and an easy fold as what are you beating?

with 88 on button i like to just call in position with 2 limpers and blinds to act TBH and see the flop and take it from there ..with 30BB you wanna take down the limpers and would raise 500 at least this spot pre if i do raise

btw i fold river with a 'fek it'

[AKQJ10]

At lower stakes id limp along here pre antes, as played fold the river

[doke]

I've seen the villain's line quite a bit of late and it's pretty much always a monster. Thinking behind it seems to be:
Flop: "Check to the raiser"
Turn: "Crap. He didn't cbet. Let's min bet to see if he has anything and he might even interpret it as weakness and raise me"
River: "OK, he's got something. Value ship or overbet and hope he calls"

I'd usually play it the same (any flop with JT is a bad one to cbet) but I always fold the river. You have to call the turn as the tiny min bet can also be 77-, a six or ace high. I don't think a raise turn achieves anything useful. I'd usually call 20-25% pot bets on the river as a lot of online players will bet that much as a blocker with hands you beat.

[Bubbleking]

drunk obv - posts made less sense then usual - cant delete caus noobs quoted me

[Fuzzy Logic]

NGeLKJNGKJE> fucking stupid internets just lost my post

Cliffs: Raising turn to define your hand is wrong. You are raising to fold mediocre hands which are better than yours, i.e. you are bluffing.

Cbet makes no sense as again you are effectively bluffing as the only hand it is right to bet against in that spot is 89, pretty sure KQ has far too much equity to make betting flop correct. All lower PP's fold to any bet on the flop and have 2 outs to improve.

River is an easy fold - nobody is on a level to read your hand well enough to try and bluff you often enough that it makes calling correct.

I would limp behind preflop also for reasons AKQJT said.

[cardshark202]

I'm pretty sure I'd never call the turn bet here. Either fold or raise.

river is a fold, raising turn would be lol bad

[Icarus152]

river is a fold, raising turn would be lol bad

But there's one thing I can't understand..

SPOILER

Chinese writing

[Flushdraw]

caus we fold out a large %0f a range thats ahead of us

yeah uck on internet pemis

I'm quite tempted to replace the OP with this post. It would make the thread title all the more apt

[nismo9]

Nice call i'd be folding river though

[Mellor]

The turn was likely an attempt at "800" rather than an intentional ridic bet

River is a clear fold, even most of his bluffs beat you