Deep, underepped hand facing river overbet

[digiman]

No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop | saw showdown

Button ($483.90)
SB ($201.15)
BB ($161.30)
Hero (UTG) ($651.35)
MP ($953.65)
CO ($350.30)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, Q
Hero bets $6, MP calls $6, 4 folds

Flop: ($15) Q, 5, A (2 players)
Hero bets $12, MP raises $44, Hero calls $32

Turn: ($103) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks

River: ($103) J (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $120, Hero ..........


Villan is 16/9, semi-reg at 1/2 RUSH. His 3b pre is 3.5, aggression is 1.3, no reads or anything. We have 2nd nuts I think!! Does villan have any worse hands he can call with here give his line and do we have to raise/fold?

[digiman]

No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop | saw showdown

Button ($483.90)
SB ($201.15)
BB ($161.30)
Hero (UTG) ($651.35)
MP ($953.65)
CO ($350.30)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, Q
Hero bets $6, MP calls $6, 4 folds

Flop: ($15) Q, 5, A (2 players)
Hero bets $12, MP raises $44, Hero calls $32

Turn: ($103) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks

River: ($103) J (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $120, Hero ..........


Villan is 16/9, semi-reg at 1/2 RUSH. His 3b pre is 3.5, aggression is 1.3, no reads or anything. We have 2nd nuts I think!! Does villan have any worse hands he can call with here give his line and do we have to raise/fold?

Also worth noting that CO is a spewy pre flop and BTN is aggro too, both have 8% 3bets

[A_CitizenErased]

Im never folding that.

[ianmc38]

You asking how much to raise?

[Funkymonk]

Im never folding that.

what do you think he jams the river with after we raise if you are never folding

[digiman]

You asking how much to raise?

Yeah, and if you do raise do you call if off?

[RoadSweeper]

lol

Its a raise or call situation Mahony

Interesting hand.

There is obv only one combo of AA which we lose to.

There are 2 combos of AQ and 3 combos of 55 which we split or beat. I am baffled by him not betting the turn with any hand given we are deep.

I guess he could turn JJ into a bluff on the flop and then realize the turn is a shitty card to continue with and bink the river.

He should probably fold AQ to a raise, although he may think we 3ball the flop with AA.

I am raise folding without any obvious info. We have blocker to quads

[Carl_Morrissey]

I guess its really hard to get a worse hand to call a raise, 5s full folds to raise here a lot I think. Really interesting spot. I guess if I feel bad about the situation I just flat, looking forward to hearing the outcome though.

[AndyFatBastard]

I'd raise to ~300. I wouldn't be expecting a reraise but I can't see how anyone could fold to one. You have the second nuts and a blocker to the nuts.

[Opr]

How often does he call with K10, 55, or have any other hand that can even consider calling a river raise with ?

RS already said he thinks he should probably fold AQ to a raise.

Opr

[MegaSin]

Nobody thinking he can do this with a Q J ?

If he has this I think he can jam on a raise from yourself.

[Opr]

Nobody thinking he can do this with a Q J ?

If he has this I think he can jam on a raise from yourself.

It means he would have had to raise a Q on the flop which is unlikely and then check behind on the turn when he binks.

The way he played it I think K10 is his most likely holding.

Opr

[AndyFatBastard]

It means he would have had to raise a Q on the flop which is unlikely and then check behind on the turn when he binks.

The way he played it I think K10 is his most likely holding.

Opr

Yeah KT certainly makes the most sense.

[Opr]

Results of this hand ?

Opr

[blaaaaaaah]

k10 or jj makes most sense....i'd go for jj only because it's a safer hand to over bet with rather than k10 for a straight.

Maybe make it 270 to go just over min, might create the idea in his head surely you would shove big with a better full house here and he might call. Other than that very hard to get more out of this hand.

I don't think he would flat AA preflop if he is 3betting alot worse anyway. I think your safe there.

[digiman]

Results of this hand ?

Opr

I raised to €303 and he folded. He never shoved but I used up a lot of my time bank before I raised wondering whether I was going to call a shove from him. My plan was to raise/fold, I think there is enough value to raise but my main question was whether I could call a shove or not as I don't think there are any worse hands that he shoves. FWIW I posted this on 2p2 back at that time and just got laughed at, was a pretty long thread!!

[Carl_Morrissey]

I raised to €303 and he folded. He never shoved but I used up a lot of my time bank before I raised wondering whether I was going to call a shove from him. My plan was to raise/fold, I think there is enough value to raise but my main question was whether I could call a shove or not as I don't think there are any worse hands that he shoves. FWIW I posted this on 2p2 back at that time and just got laughed at, was a pretty long thread!!

Laughed at for considering folding? Usual trolls on 2 2 imo.

[fumyname]

I raised to €303 and he folded. He never shoved but I used up a lot of my time bank before I raised wondering whether I was going to call a shove from him. My plan was to raise/fold, I think there is enough value to raise but my main question was whether I could call a shove or not as I don't think there are any worse hands that he shoves. FWIW I posted this on 2p2 back at that time and just got laughed at, was a pretty long thread!!

any chance of 2 2 link man?? cheers

think uv a really good thread going if u do get rr on river!! and then u can consider folding,

as played u shudn think bout folding until u put in the raise, after u raise his river bet then u should follow through on what options u have!! and timebank !

[digiman]

any chance of 2 2 link man?? cheers

think uv a really good thread going if u do get rr on river!! and then u can consider folding,

as played u shudn think bout folding until u put in the raise, after u raise his river bet then u should follow through on what options u have!! and timebank !

2p2 is blocked in work, il dig it out later though.

But I couldn't disagree with you more, you should always have a plan for certain scenarios before you make a decision

[Line Us]

Link

[Opr]

Not surprising the only person itt making sense is NxtWrldChamp.

Opr

[Tilt Gone]

Link

Just read the link. Some harsh and idiotic comments on there. makes me think i'll just stay on IPB

[peterswellman]

Love the onemanupship of 2+2. You have to laugh at how condescending they are.