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Originally posted by sligboi View PostI cbet 1300>>>2000 (Thoughts on sizing?)
Anytime you make a bet think about what the outcome is going to be on the next street if the player calls/raises. In this case the stacks are shallow so you don't have to worry about him raising as you will be pushing over his raise, and obv if he folds you don't need to consider what to do.
If you bet closer to 2k you can shove the turn for a pot sized bet, and if you bet less than half the pot you can bet the turn smallish and then shove the river (or check).
Another line would be to check shove the flop
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Originally posted by Hectorjelly View PostIts terrible!
Anytime you make a bet think about what the outcome is going to be on the next street if the player calls/raises. In this case the stacks are shallow so you don't have to worry about him raising as you will be pushing over his raise, and obv if he folds you don't need to consider what to do.
If you bet closer to 2k you can shove the turn for a pot sized bet, and if you bet less than half the pot you can bet the turn smallish and then shove the river (or check).
Another line would be to check shove the flop
I'm not arguing your point, just explaining my reasons for not setting up the spr correctly although looking back I have a fair idea of his count so should have been able to get a better ratio set up.Pining for Wa'erford
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Originally posted by Teddie View PostLooking for a new site so wondering where the cool kids(fish) are playing now? Havent played any poker post black friday so wondering how things have changed.
The new software that allows players to use webcam is bound to bring a few droolers in.
The software is also alot better and cleaner from the Pacific Poker days.
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Originally posted by bohsman View PostAlso playing in a game where you are likely to get several callers its worth raising as high as 750 preflop with your premiums.
If you're doing that with your premiums, must you not do that as well with your other raising hands? Otherwise, surely a player becomes too predictable?
Connie
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Just a quick one. €2k gtd on Irish Eyes, 17/18 left and 16 paid. These are €10 rebuys with 8 min blinds and get pretty crapshooty
I'm chip leader on 58k with blinds 2k/4k
I'm in the SB and BB has 21k and UTG has 19k. If it's folded to me on the SB and then folded to me on the button the following hand, are we shoving absolutely ATC both times? The bubble pays €88 which is a sweet bubble. I'm thinking it's 100% the correct move
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Originally posted by connie147 View PostOscar,
If you're doing that with your premiums, must you not do that as well with your other raising hands? Otherwise, surely a player becomes too predictable?
Connie
I doubt you'll play enough hands with enough other regs for them to notice and start 3betting your normal 2.5-3x raises at a high enough rate in MTTs. If you're at a table where you get 4 players calling your raises most regs will leave each other alone to pick off the fish anyway, if they 3 bet you chances are they have a big hand or they'd have been calling to keep a fish in.
Obviously at a nitty table Im going to be keeping my raises to a normal size but going slightly bigger with a wide range when there's a fish in the blinds.Last edited by bohsman; 30-06-11, 23:03.
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Originally posted by Flushdraw View PostJust a quick one. €2k gtd on Irish Eyes, 17/18 left and 16 paid. These are €10 rebuys with 8 min blinds and get pretty crapshooty
I'm chip leader on 58k with blinds 2k/4k
I'm in the SB and BB has 21k and UTG has 19k. If it's folded to me on the SB and then folded to me on the button the following hand, are we shoving absolutely ATC both times? The bubble pays €88 which is a sweet bubble. I'm thinking it's 100% the correct move
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Ive a quick one im disagreeing with someone over.
6 max
bb is playing 22/20 over 135 hands, 3bet 14%, steal 35% so hes active enough
hero has 22 in the sb, there is a poster oop but hero thinks its a limp so completes the 22, bb checks.
flop 345dd
hero checks, bb bets 2/3rds pot, poster folds, hero calls
turn 2c
hero checks, bb bets 2/3rds pot, hero calls
river 3s
hero checks, bb bets 9 times the pot, almost 150bbs, hero has him covered
???Originally posted by ArmaniJeansI like this heat - some proper music innit.
None of the 'black disabled lesbian warbling backwards' stuff that the other players inflicted on me.
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Played a few tournaments for the first time in a while last night. Got in a few shove spots where I wasn't sure about.
Villian was playing 22/20 over 100 hands and has a 80% attempted to steal in that sample. Sb was fairly tight, playing 15/14 over the same sample. Is this shove correct?
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, 22 Tournament, 750/1500 Blinds 150 Ante (8 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
saw flop
UTG+1 (t105122)
Button (t18713)
UTG (t19330)
CO (t38461)
SB (t76771)
MP2 (t57396)
MP1 (t47090)
Hero (BB) (t44560)
Hero's M: 12.92
Preflop: Hero is BB with 5, 5
3 folds, MP2 bets t4000, 2 folds, SB calls t3250, Hero raises to t44410 (All-In)
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I think your steal % is slightly irrelevant there because Steal is only calculated from CO/Btn/SB as far as i know. 100 is a tiny sample so his fold to 3bet/blind squeeze stats might be better but might not give us much info. I'm happy to ship in your spot. You'll fold out a lot of hands you're racing against and maybe a couple of better hands too
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Originally posted by Starvin Marvin View PostIve a quick one im disagreeing with someone over.
6 max
bb is playing 22/20 over 135 hands, 3bet 14%, steal 35% so hes active enough
hero has 22 in the sb, there is a poster oop but hero thinks its a limp so completes the 22, bb checks.
flop 345dd
hero checks, bb bets 2/3rds pot, poster folds, hero calls
turn 2c
hero checks, bb bets 2/3rds pot, hero calls
river 3s
hero checks, bb bets 9 times the pot, almost 150bbs, hero has him covered
???
Shano says its a clear fold. Im not too well up on exactly what these stats mean, but Im thinking its a clear call
Anyone else got opinions? If Bb has 3-4, 3-5, 4-5, 44 55 or 33, do we thinks he keeps betting big enough on the turn when the 2 fell. If sb has an ace or 6, bb is in trouble on the turn. So my instinct is to put him on the 6, or even 67. Is this cash or tourney?
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Originally posted by Starvin Marvin View PostIve a quick one im disagreeing with someone over.
6 max
bb is playing 22/20 over 135 hands, 3bet 14%, steal 35% so hes active enough
hero has 22 in the sb, there is a poster oop but hero thinks its a limp so completes the 22, bb checks.
flop 345dd
hero checks, bb bets 2/3rds pot, poster folds, hero calls
turn 2c
hero checks, bb bets 2/3rds pot, hero calls
river 3s
hero checks, bb bets 9 times the pot, almost 150bbs, hero has him covered
???"I can’t find anyone who agrees with what I write or think these days, so I guess I must be getting closer to the truth." - Hunter S. Thompson
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Originally posted by AndyFatBastard View PostVillian could easily be looking for max value with 67 here, having failed to adjust with the board pairing.
We have the worst possible house, any combination of houses are in both the players range since it was limped preflop.
I'd fold, but there is definitely a chance he is overvalueing a straight. However given the pot odds I think its a reluctant fold.
If you knew the player was decent it would be an easy fold.
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I folded quick enough and didnt think too much more about it until a friend said he'd call which i thought was pretty mental.
Theres a chance hes jamming a 6 trying to get me to level myself into calling with an Ace i guess but its a small chance when he seems competent so far.
I think he has a biggger boat here almost always and as HJ says with the pot odds so bad we have to be right here almost every time to make it a profitable call.Originally posted by ArmaniJeansI like this heat - some proper music innit.
None of the 'black disabled lesbian warbling backwards' stuff that the other players inflicted on me.
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Originally posted by Hectorjelly View PostYou never need to win a bet more than 50% of the time to make a profitOriginally posted by ArmaniJeansI like this heat - some proper music innit.
None of the 'black disabled lesbian warbling backwards' stuff that the other players inflicted on me.
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Originally posted by Hectorjelly View PostIf you knew the player was decent it would be an easy fold."I can’t find anyone who agrees with what I write or think these days, so I guess I must be getting closer to the truth." - Hunter S. Thompson
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I dont think i played this wrong just want double check
6 left i am 2nd in chips.
sb chipleaders raises to 7.7k blinds are 1.5-3k i call with A10 in bb playing 108k.
Flop 7 4 10 he bets 8880 i call
turn 10 he bets 13k
river J he bets 27k i shove.
Actually im 95% sure its just a sick cooler with stacks the way they were but will just leave it posted anyway since i wrote it.
€170 for 6th €850 for 1st.Pm for rakeback deals
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Originally posted by tipp86 View PostI dont think i played this wrong just want double check
6 left i am 2nd in chips.
sb chipleaders raises to 7.7k blinds are 1.5-3k i call with A10 in bb playing 108k.
Flop 7 4 10 he bets 8880 i call
turn 10 he bets 13k
river J he bets 27k i shove.
Actually im 95% sure its just a sick cooler with stacks the way they were but will just leave it posted anyway since i wrote it.
€170 for 6th €850 for 1st.
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Anyone around this evening for a sweat? Will fire up the skype group when I got on anyway, but I kinda need to spin some money up from my (beyond close to completely) busto account.
Could do with another pair of eyes on my screen with me, as I feel that I could attribute maybe 60-70% of my bad play to indiscipline, and with someone else watching, I wont make retardo calls and plays too often.
Probably get online around 9
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Here's a stupid question, turbo sng on Stars. Just lost a big hand previously and folded to me on button. Top 4 paid with 5 left, is AJ on button always a shove (just over 1.5 bigs) or should the MP player with less chips than me be taken into consideration and a fold considered to creep into the money?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 7 Tournament, 600/1200 Blinds 75 Ante (5 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
UTG (t10284)
MP (t1506)
Hero (Button) (t1828)
SB (t5915)
BB (t7467)
Hero's M: 0.84
Preflop: Hero is Button with A, J
2 folds
Total pot: t1575
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Originally posted by ghostface ste View PostHere's a stupid question, turbo sng on Stars. Just lost a big hand previously and folded to me on button. Top 4 paid with 5 left, is AJ on button always a shove (just over 1.5 bigs) or should the MP player with less chips than me be taken into consideration and a fold considered to creep into the money?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 7 Tournament, 600/1200 Blinds 75 Ante (5 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
UTG (t10284)
MP (t1506)
Hero (Button) (t1828)
SB (t5915)
BB (t7467)
Hero's M: 0.84
Preflop: Hero is Button with A, J
2 folds
Total pot: t1575
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Originally posted by Flushdraw View PostIs that the 18 player turbo, so 4th pays $11.61? I don't think i'm ever playing an 18man to sneak into 4th place. You might even get protection from the SB/BB. The days where it's called and checked down to bust you seem to be long gone. I'm happy to get it in. If UTG was the short player, i might consider a fold a little longer, but i'm still sticking it in
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Originally posted by ghostface ste View PostYeah its that game. Sneak in was a bad phrase, the cash doesn't really matter to me in this instance but was just wondering if there was a correct strategy given the other shortie on the bubble in this particular instance as he has to go all in within next 2 hands anyway.
3rd place is ~$23 so if we double up +sum, shorty is still allin over the next 2 hands and we've now a half chance at 3rd place (with some small FE against nits) I think i'd rather a shot at a minimum of a 220% profit than hope shorty busts out and then be forced to shove ATC with a 50% profit locked up
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Originally posted by ghostface ste View PostHere's a stupid question, turbo sng on Stars. Just lost a big hand previously and folded to me on button. Top 4 paid with 5 left, is AJ on button always a shove (just over 1.5 bigs) or should the MP player with less chips than me be taken into consideration and a fold considered to creep into the money?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 7 Tournament, 600/1200 Blinds 75 Ante (5 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
UTG (t10284)
MP (t1506)
Hero (Button) (t1828)
SB (t5915)
BB (t7467)
Hero's M: 0.84
Preflop: Hero is Button with A, J
2 folds
Total pot: t1575
Also, how on earth do you get that short!? :P"c'est en faisant n'importe quoi qu'on devient n'importe qui"
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Originally posted by tipp86 View PostI dont think i played this wrong just want double check
6 left i am 2nd in chips.
sb chipleaders raises to 7.7k blinds are 1.5-3k i call with A10 in bb playing 108k.
Flop 7 4 10 he bets 8880 i call
turn 10 he bets 13k
river J he bets 27k i shove.
Actually im 95% sure its just a sick cooler with stacks the way they were but will just leave it posted anyway since i wrote it.
€170 for 6th €850 for 1st.
We can still move up the pay ladder fairly easily with our remaining 50k stack if we call and are behind, whereas we take chip lead and control of the table if we're ahead anyway, and have villain on our right and crippled, +ev imo."c'est en faisant n'importe quoi qu'on devient n'importe qui"
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Couple of 3 bet hands here.
Hand 1:
Villain is 33/27/41% agg Freq. Steal is 56% and 65% in SB. over 51 hands.
IPoker Network $20.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 1370102
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BTN: $11.35
SB: $20.10
Hero (BB): $42.27
UTG: $17.96
CO: $6.80
Pre Flop: ($0.30) Hero is BB with A 6
3 folds, SB raises to $0.60, Hero raises to $1.80, SB calls $1.20
Flop: ($3.60) Q T Q (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.40, SB calls $2.40
Turn: ($8.40) A (2 players)
SB bets $4.00, Hero calls $4
River: ($16.40) 4 (2 players)
SB bets $11.90, Hero??
Hand 2:
Villain is 48/33/38% Att. to steal 64%, 100% OTB. Not sure if I should be betting the turn, and if I do is it a check/fold OTR? Just on non diamond rivers?
IPoker Network $20.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1370108
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter
SB: $5.11
Hero (BB): $20.70
UTG: $20.00
MP: $19.64
CO: $22.43
BTN: $19.64
Pre Flop: ($0.30) Hero is BB with 3 A
3 folds, BTN raises to $0.40, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.60, BTN calls $1.20
Flop: ($3.30) 4 A K (2 players)
Hero bets $2.20, BTN calls $2.20
Turn: ($7.70) K (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $4.20, Hero calls $4.20
River: ($16.10) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $11.64, Hero
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Originally posted by AndyFatBastard View PostFWIW I much prefer flatting a suited ace preflop.
Actually something similar I was going to ask. I've looked through HEM and noticed I lose a lot of money when I falt raises i the blinds with a raiser and raiser+caller so was wondering what range people flat out of the blinds in these spots. I could have called in hand 1 with position but not sure I like calling in hand 2 OOP.
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I flat CO and Button opens with a wide range - suited aces, suited connectors, small pocket pairs, suited broadways, AJo, KQo etc. I use a much tighter range if they open from MP or UTG. But if there's a caller of an EP open I'll overcall with the same wide range. I'm a pretty loose player, so YMMV."I can’t find anyone who agrees with what I write or think these days, so I guess I must be getting closer to the truth." - Hunter S. Thompson
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I wouldn't 3bet either of these hands preflop. They have too much value HU and played passively we can underrep the strength of a flopped TP on later streets. It's often said, but by 3betting you're essentially turning your hand (which is very possibly the best hand) into a bluff, because you're going to have no play but to fold if villain 4bets.
As played, I fold both on the river."c'est en faisant n'importe quoi qu'on devient n'importe qui"
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few hands:
Villian was playing 27/20 over 80 hands. Has 3bet twice before, both times from the blinds.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
UTG ($25.78)
BB ($47)
MP ($52.60)
SB ($82.47)
Hero (Button) ($50)
Preflop: Hero is Button with K, Q
2 folds, Hero bets $1.25, SB raises $3.75, 1 fold, Hero calls $2.75
Flop: ($8.50) Q, 3, 10 (2 players)
SB bets $5, Hero calls $5
Turn: ($18.50) 10 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $11.50, SB raises to $73.47 (All-In), Hero ?
Do you always bet the turn when checked to here? What range of hands do you put Villian on?
Villian is pretty much an unknown. 18/18 over 20 hands or so.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
SB ($97.50)
Button ($50)
UTG ($73.87)
Hero (BB) ($54.77)
MP ($53.57)
Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, J
2 folds, Button bets $1.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $1
Flop: ($3.25) 9, 6, 10 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks
Turn: ($3.25) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $2, Button raises $7, Hero calls $5
River: ($17.25) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $9.90, Hero?
Is this ever a call? It just doesnt seem like a line many people would take with a bluff.
Again against pretty much an unknown. Villian was 33/0 over 26 hands. Had open limped before but hasnt gone to showdown.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
MP ($50)
UTG ($50)
BB ($50)
Hero (SB) ($57.01)
Button ($53.74)
Preflop: Hero is SB with J, J
2 folds, Button calls $0.50, Hero bets $2.25, 1 fold, Button raises $4, Hero calls $2
Flop: ($9.50) 9, 2, 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button raises to $49.24 (All-In), Hero?
Pretty much always beat here right?
Villian has been aggro and loose so far playing 45/30 over 70 hands. Has limped twice from the sb already and this is my first time raising. Have a note on him where he half pot twice with air on a axxx board sb vs bu and gave up on river.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (3 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Button ($55.08)
SB ($42.73)
Hero (BB) ($62.31)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 10, J
1 fold, SB calls $0.25, Hero bets $1, SB calls $1
Flop: ($3) 6, 4, 10 (2 players)
SB bets $2.85, Hero calls $2.85
Turn: ($8.70) 5 (2 players)
SB bets $8.27, Hero calls $8.27
River: ($25.24) 4 (2 players)
SB bets $23.98, [color=#666666][i]Hero ?
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Hand 1 Don't bet turn. I'd fold now
Hand 2 reluctant fold. Id bet the turn normally
Hand 3 Fold he has aces. Preflop minreraise and overbet shove is usually aces in my experience.
Hand 4 Close but I'd fold. You don't beat much. He can be valuetowning you with a better ten. I'd probably call on an offsuit river card. You might of just counterfeited something like 56 though
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1. I think turn is a check and I don't hesitate to fold to the CRAI
2. Make it $2.50. I guess he can have KJ, some spazzy 78 hands and a few turned FD. The fact that you're getting 3/1 and probably about 1/4 of his combos are FD makes it close. Sizing tips it in favour of a fold for me though.
3. Folding seems standard.
4. Prolly fold as well. Hits a limpy range pretty hard.
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Thoughts on this one guys? I wasn't sure whether to follow through on river or just give up. Any comments otherwise?
Villian's playing 41/21/3.3 after 145 hands. He has been weirdly raising 38% in EP and 41% in MP, and limp/calling a lot too. I've 3bet him several times since I realised this and he's folded 50% of the time. I decided to call light here and make my move on the flop to mix things up. The flop and turn obliged with a good spot for it:
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NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
SB ($52.22)
BB ($50.75)
UTG ($50)
UTG+1 ($53.59)
CO ($52.73)
Hero ($110)
Dealt to Hero 3:spade: Q:spade:
UTG raises to $1, fold, fold, Hero calls $1, fold, fold
FLOP ($2.75) 6:club: J:spade: J:club:
UTG bets $2.62, Hero raises to $6, UTG calls $3.38
TURN ($14.75) 6:club: J:spade: J:club: 5:spade:
UTG checks, Hero bets $7, UTG calls $7
RIVER ($28.75) 6:club: J:spade: J:club: 5:spade: A:club:
UTG checks, Hero ???"I can’t find anyone who agrees with what I write or think these days, so I guess I must be getting closer to the truth." - Hunter S. Thompson
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No idea what you're doing in the hand really. It's just FPS. Don't bluff the fish is poker101. If you do insist on bluffing here, min-raising the flop and betting < 1/2 pot on the turn isn't going to get the job done.
River is weird since I'd never get there in this spot. Given that he could have a FD himself and he's not folding a Jack either way, you should probably just give up.
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Aha! He had TT btw and would probably have folded. I don't think he was that much of a fish tbh. His postflop play wasn't bad at all, he just had weird preflop stats."I can’t find anyone who agrees with what I write or think these days, so I guess I must be getting closer to the truth." - Hunter S. Thompson
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thoughts on this line here. Villain is only at the table for 5 or so hands but has already seen me overbet with the nuts (quads)
fwiw - he tank called the turn
No-Limit Hold'em Tournament, 30/60 Blinds (9 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
MP3 (t2860)
CO (t3325)
Hero (Button) (t11788)
SB (t3755)
BB (t2970)
UTG (t2575)
UTG+1 (t1895)
MP1 (t3360)
MP2 (t5540)
Hero's M: 130.98
Preflop: Hero is Button with 10, 10
1 fold, UTG+1 bets t180, 2 folds, MP3 calls t180, CO calls t180, Hero calls t180, 1 fold, BB calls t120
Flop: (t930) 3, Q, A (5 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP3 checks, CO checks, Hero checks
Turn: (t930) 4 (5 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP3 checks, CO checks, Hero bets t420, BB calls t420, 3 folds
River: (t1770) K (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t2700
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Your line doesn't sense really. On the turn is your bet for value or a semi bluff? On the river you're overbet is strange. I don't think villain ever has an Ace, if he has a queen he is probably never calling a normal sized bet anyway so no need to overbet. When you overbet hands you either have the nuts or air, the problem is this spot is I just can't see how you ever get the river with a King high flush when you look at the previous action.
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turn is a semi bluff - I obv fold out better sometimes
River is interesting - I think he calls normal bets with all Aces. He seemed weak tank calling the turn and insta checking the river. He def has a better hand than me 100% of the time but I dont think he can call a shove that sets him in with any one pair hand.
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