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Yeah but being oop for the rest of the hand with UTG still to act its just not a good situation. If UTG 4bets you have to fold. What are you going to do on flops where there's an overcard? Your range is basically face-up as TT-JJ and occasionally AQsLast edited by Guest; 13-01-11, 08:56.
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Did I play this ok?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 1.1 Tournament, 200/400 Blinds 50 Ante (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
saw flop | saw showdown
UTG+1 (t12511)
MP1 (t9755)
MP2 (t11799)
Hero (MP3) (t24038)
CO (t22386)
Button (t25866)
SB (t9217)
BB (t5718)
UTG (t34048)
Hero's M: 22.89
Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q, Q
UTG calls t400, 3 folds, Hero bets t1800, 2 folds, SB calls t1600, 1 fold, UTG calls t1400
Flop: (t6250) Q, 4, A (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks
Turn: (t6250) 2 (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets t2800, SB calls t2800, UTG calls t2800
River: (t14650) 7 (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets t4800, 1 fold, UTG raises to t9600, Hero raises to t19388 (All-In), UTG calls t9788
Total pot: t53426
Results:
UTG had 5, 3 (straight, five high).
Hero had Q, Q (three of a kind, Queens).
Outcome: UTG won t53426Trying to not cause trouble since 1983
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Originally posted by cardshark202 View Post
4?! You can drop 4 in a flash, make it something reasonable.
I just stop if I feel the tilt-monster coming."I can’t find anyone who agrees with what I write or think these days, so I guess I must be getting closer to the truth." - Hunter S. Thompson
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Missed the first 15 minutes of tonights $30k gtd so i've only 4 hands on everyone and zero reads. Whats our standard line against 2 unkowns considering i'm raising UTG (if that means anything to them)
No-Limit Hold'em Tournament, 15/30 Blinds (10 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
UTG+1 (t2805)
UTG+2 (t4372.50)
MP1 (t2895)
MP2 (t2925)
MP3 (t2925)
CO (t2140)
Button (t2602.50)
SB (t3140)
BB (t3255)
Hero (UTG) (t2940)
Hero's M: 65.33
Preflop: Hero is UTG with J, J
Hero bets t90, 2 folds, MP1 calls t90, 5 folds, BB raises t210, Hero calls t150, MP1 calls t150
Flop: (t735) 7, 3, 7 (3 players)
BB bets t420, Hero ??
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Ya true i guess its nothing i think 8 might be the magic number but then again if there is value on the table its pretty stupid thats why i never introduced something like this before.
Im now down 23 buyins since the start of the month and i feel at crisi point i still have over 70 buyins but part of me wants to move back to 20nl for a little while.
It seems impossible to win. I even changed back to an old skin just for a change of atmosphere.
Here is a few hands i got stacked on tonight.Anyone any thoughts?
Villians 3 bet 7.1%
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
BB ($105.23)
Hero (UTG) ($65.58)
MP ($111.31)
CO ($54.16)
Button ($50)
SB ($50)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q, K
Hero bets $1.50, 2 folds, Button raises $4.50, SB calls $4.25, BB calls $4, Hero calls $3
Flop: ($18) 8, 5, 9 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, Button bets $12, 2 folds, Hero raises $61.08 (All-In), Button calls $33.50 (All-In)
Turn: ($109) 4 (2 players, 2 all-in)
River: ($109) K (2 players, 2 all-in)
Total pot: $109
Results:
Button had A, A (one pair, Aces).
Hero had Q, K (one pair, Kings).
Outcome: Button won $106
Villian call 3bet 45% he raises flop 3 bet c bets 40%. I would have been seen as extreme aggressive.
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
CO ($66.25)
Button ($101.57)
Hero (SB) ($50)
BB ($46.43)
UTG ($52.19)
MP ($50)
Preflop: Hero is SB with 6, 10
2 folds, CO bets $1.75, 1 fold, Hero raises $6.25, 1 fold, CO calls $4.75
Flop: ($13.50) 2, J, 10 (2 players)
Hero bets $7, CO raises $15, Hero raises $36.50 (All-In), CO calls $28.50
Turn: ($100.50) J (2 players, 1 all-in)
River: ($100.50) A (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $100.50
Results:
Hero had 6, 10 (two pair, Jacks and tens).
CO had K, Q (straight, Ace high).
Outcome: CO won $97.50Pm for rakeback deals
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Originally posted by Flushdraw View PostMissed the first 15 minutes of tonights $30k gtd so i've only 4 hands on everyone and zero reads. Whats our standard line against 2 unkowns considering i'm raising UTG (if that means anything to them)
No-Limit Hold'em Tournament, 15/30 Blinds (10 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
UTG+1 (t2805)
UTG+2 (t4372.50)
MP1 (t2895)
MP2 (t2925)
MP3 (t2925)
CO (t2140)
Button (t2602.50)
SB (t3140)
BB (t3255)
Hero (UTG) (t2940)
Hero's M: 65.33
Preflop: Hero is UTG with J, J
Hero bets t90, 2 folds, MP1 calls t90, 5 folds, BB raises t210, Hero calls t150, MP1 calls t150
Flop: (t735) 7, 3, 7 (3 players)
BB bets t420, Hero ??
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Originally posted by Howard Finkel View PostJam
Early days i probably call and evaluate the turn i guess we are bleeding chips if we plan to fold to a turn bet on a blank card but il admit its a tough hand.
I guess folding the flop could be seen as weak but i dont hate it as its so early and there is way better spots.Pm for rakeback deals
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Originally posted by Flushdraw View PostMissed the first 15 minutes of tonights $30k gtd so i've only 4 hands on everyone and zero reads. Whats our standard line against 2 unkowns considering i'm raising UTG (if that means anything to them)
No-Limit Hold'em Tournament, 15/30 Blinds (10 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
UTG+1 (t2805)
UTG+2 (t4372.50)
MP1 (t2895)
MP2 (t2925)
MP3 (t2925)
CO (t2140)
Button (t2602.50)
SB (t3140)
BB (t3255)
Hero (UTG) (t2940)
Hero's M: 65.33
Preflop: Hero is UTG with J, J
Hero bets t90, 2 folds, MP1 calls t90, 5 folds, BB raises t210, Hero calls t150, MP1 calls t150
Flop: (t735) 7, 3, 7 (3 players)
BB bets t420, Hero ??Last edited by shrapnel; 13-01-11, 20:16.
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Originally posted by shrapnel View Postfolding is weak, jamming is silly, and calling is even worse, so min raise and watch them freak out. any jam on top is obviously a fold leaving you enough to rebuild.
70 mins into tournie now and villain is playing 22/9 with a that was the only hand he has bet with. MP was a complete fish and is now busto
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Originally posted by Flushdraw View PostMissed the first 15 minutes of tonights $30k gtd so i've only 4 hands on everyone and zero reads. Whats our standard line against 2 unkowns considering i'm raising UTG (if that means anything to them)
No-Limit Hold'em Tournament, 15/30 Blinds (10 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
UTG+1 (t2805)
UTG+2 (t4372.50)
MP1 (t2895)
MP2 (t2925)
MP3 (t2925)
CO (t2140)
Button (t2602.50)
SB (t3140)
BB (t3255)
Hero (UTG) (t2940)
Hero's M: 65.33
Preflop: Hero is UTG with J, J
Hero bets t90, 2 folds, MP1 calls t90, 5 folds, BB raises t210, Hero calls t150, MP1 calls t150
Flop: (t735) 7, 3, 7 (3 players)
BB bets t420, Hero ??
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Originally posted by Flushdraw View Post
+1 to bet the flop, more on the turn and a lot more on the river"I can’t find anyone who agrees with what I write or think these days, so I guess I must be getting closer to the truth." - Hunter S. Thompson
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Yeah my normal shape to a session is some sort of U shape. Make me feel like I'm being a spa at the start of sessions! But dropping 4 is a very regular occurrence. Like stacks get shipped pretty regularly.
I have upped my vpip by 25% in the last 3 months though Might account for a little more variance!Foldaramus et foldarabimus
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Originally posted by Sledgejammer View PostMore importantly, stop looking at your results mid session. Horrible habbit to be in and one I'm glad I got rid of, obviously you'll have a rough idea of results regardless but still
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Originally posted by bohsman View PostYea, planning to only look at account balance and results once a week. Will be such a sick feeling if the insufficient funds sign pops up during a session tho.Last edited by Sledgejammer; 14-01-11, 00:41."In the world, there are many kings but there is only one God. I am God, I am El Tren" :{)
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Originally posted by shrapnel View Postfolding is weak, jamming is silly, and calling is just asking for trouble, so min raise and watch them freak out. any jam on top is obviously a fold leaving you enough to rebuild.
If jamming is silly, im not sure what min raise/fold is.Originally posted by ArmaniJeansI like this heat - some proper music innit.
None of the 'black disabled lesbian warbling backwards' stuff that the other players inflicted on me.
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Originally posted by nuxxx View PostHey guys, just wonder what stats should I use in my hud for hu sngs?
Been playing alot of them recently and finding the normal stats not much use. Cheers
Cbet turn is another good stat to use in the same vein."I can’t find anyone who agrees with what I write or think these days, so I guess I must be getting closer to the truth." - Hunter S. Thompson
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Originally posted by Starvin Marvin View PostLevel?
If jamming is silly, im not sure what min raise/fold is.
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Originally posted by tipp86 View Post
Villian call 3bet 45% he raises flop 3 bet c bets 40%. I would have been seen as extreme aggressive.
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
CO ($66.25)
Button ($101.57)
Hero (SB) ($50)
BB ($46.43)
UTG ($52.19)
MP ($50)
Preflop: Hero is SB with 6, 10
2 folds, CO bets $1.75, 1 fold, Hero raises $6.25, 1 fold, CO calls $4.75
Flop: ($13.50) 2, J, 10 (2 players)
Hero bets $7, CO raises $15, Hero raises $36.50 (All-In), CO calls $28.50
Turn: ($100.50) J (2 players, 1 all-in)
River: ($100.50) A (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $100.50
Results:
Hero had 6, 10 (two pair, Jacks and tens).
CO had K, Q (straight, Ace high).
Outcome: CO won $97.50
Don't like it. If you are extremely aggressive he will either call or 4bet too often. When he calls being OOP with T6s is going to be pretty horrible and you'll rarely flop good. Once he min-raises it's a snap fold, his range has you crushed pretty much. The best you can hope for is 89 or KQ and your only 55% against that range. Also, I'd definitely move down if I was you even if you have plenty of buy-ins for 50nl. Confidence makes such a difference in your win rate.Last edited by Teddie; 14-01-11, 17:00.
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Somehow I missed these when they were posted. Good hands.
Originally posted by tipp86 View PostHere is a few hands i got stacked on tonight.Anyone any thoughts?
Villians 3 bet 7.1%
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
BB ($105.23)
Hero (UTG) ($65.58)
MP ($111.31)
CO ($54.16)
Button ($50)
SB ($50)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q, K
Hero bets $1.50, 2 folds, Button raises $4.50, SB calls $4.25, BB calls $4, Hero calls $3
Flop: ($18) 8, 5, 9 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, Button bets $12, 2 folds, Hero raises $61.08 (All-In), Button calls $33.50 (All-In)
Turn: ($109) 4 (2 players, 2 all-in)
River: ($109) K (2 players, 2 all-in)
Total pot: $109
Results:
Button had A, A (one pair, Aces).
Hero had Q, K (one pair, Kings).
Outcome: Button won $106
Villian call 3bet 45% he raises flop 3 bet c bets 40%. I would have been seen as extreme aggressive.
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
CO ($66.25)
Button ($101.57)
Hero (SB) ($50)
BB ($46.43)
UTG ($52.19)
MP ($50)
Preflop: Hero is SB with 6, 10
2 folds, CO bets $1.75, 1 fold, Hero raises $6.25, 1 fold, CO calls $4.75
Flop: ($13.50) 2, J, 10 (2 players)
Hero bets $7, CO raises $15, Hero raises $36.50 (All-In), CO calls $28.50
Turn: ($100.50) J (2 players, 1 all-in)
River: ($100.50) A (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $100.50
Results:
Hero had 6, 10 (two pair, Jacks and tens).
CO had K, Q (straight, Ace high).
Outcome: CO won $97.50Last edited by AndyFatBastard; 14-01-11, 18:45."I can’t find anyone who agrees with what I write or think these days, so I guess I must be getting closer to the truth." - Hunter S. Thompson
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Tourney hand I played earlier. Not sure if they're ever done in here but its not really worthy of its own thread.
14 left form 60 starters in a CPT €100 fo.
Avg stack: 68k
Blinds 3000/6000/500
Folded to Villain (85k) in CO who opens to 15k. I would view him as pretty aggro, opening wide and cbetting lots. Not much other reads, but he would be who I consider to be one of the better players at the table.
Folded to me in BB(110k) and I have A5o. My image would be a solid TAG.
I elect to flat. I considered 3betting as he would open wide in that spot, but I couldn't decide on a 3bet size (shove would have been too big imo, making it 40k is a bit ghey)
Flop A55.
I check call a 20k cbet.
Turn K
I check again, he checks behind.
River K
I check, he shoves for 50k.
Me??
Thought on all streets here please.
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@ Andy
I think 4 betting KQ would be very bad in Hand 1 id like to hear others thoughts.
I like your thinking in Hand 2 it makes a lot of sense.
Here is a new one to digest
Villian is a breakeven reg rarely steps out of line 21/15/2.5
There is 0 bluffs in his range so how many hands do i beat? I guess the maths says call but im just not sure. I cant even see this guy raising AJ and this is surely the only hand i beat.
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (UTG) ($146.48)
MP ($76.11)
CO ($15)
Button ($50)
SB ($89.24)
BB ($69.37)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, K
Hero bets $1.50, MP calls $1.50, 4 folds
Flop: ($3.75) 3, K, J (2 players)
Hero bets $3, MP raises $8, Hero calls $5
Turn: ($19.75) A (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $14, Hero calls $14
River: ($47.75) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $22, MP raises $52.61 (All-In), Hero folds
Total pot: $91.75Pm for rakeback deals
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Originally posted by NewApproach View PostTourney hand I played earlier. Not sure if they're ever done in here but its not really worthy of its own thread.
14 left form 60 starters in a CPT €100 fo.
Avg stack: 68k
Blinds 3000/6000/500
Folded to Villain (85k) in CO who opens to 15k. I would view him as pretty aggro, opening wide and cbetting lots. Not much other reads, but he would be who I consider to be one of the better players at the table.
Folded to me in BB(110k) and I have A5o. My image would be a solid TAG.
I elect to flat. I considered 3betting as he would open wide in that spot, but I couldn't decide on a 3bet size (shove would have been too big imo, making it 40k is a bit ghey)
Flop A55.
I check call a 20k cbet.
Turn K
I check again, he checks behind.
River K
I check, he shoves for 50k.
Me??
Thought on all streets here please.
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Originally posted by NewApproach View PostTourney hand I played earlier. Not sure if they're ever done in here but its not really worthy of its own thread.
14 left form 60 starters in a CPT €100 fo.
Avg stack: 68k
Blinds 3000/6000/500
Folded to Villain (85k) in CO who opens to 15k. I would view him as pretty aggro, opening wide and cbetting lots. Not much other reads, but he would be who I consider to be one of the better players at the table.
Folded to me in BB(110k) and I have A5o. My image would be a solid TAG.
I elect to flat. I considered 3betting as he would open wide in that spot, but I couldn't decide on a 3bet size (shove would have been too big imo, making it 40k is a bit ghey)
Flop A55.
I check call a 20k cbet.
Turn K
I check again, he checks behind.
River K
I check, he shoves for 50k.
Me??
Thought on all streets here please.
as played I call the flop and donk the turn to set up a river shove yourself. You dont want him checking it back because theres still lots to go in the middle. plus its fun taking different lines. anyway I thinking donking the turn is best.
Fold river you're never ahead
Originally posted by tipp86 View Post@ Andy
I think 4 betting KQ would be very bad in Hand 1 id like to hear others thoughts.
Here is a new one to digest
Villian is a breakeven reg rarely steps out of line 21/15/2.5
There is 0 bluffs in his range so how many hands do i beat? I guess the maths says call but im just not sure. I cant even see this guy raising AJ and this is surely the only hand i beat.
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (UTG) ($146.48)
MP ($76.11)
CO ($15)
Button ($50)
SB ($89.24)
BB ($69.37)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, K
Hero bets $1.50, MP calls $1.50, 4 folds
Flop: ($3.75) 3, K, J (2 players)
Hero bets $3, MP raises $8, Hero calls $5
Turn: ($19.75) A (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $14, Hero calls $14
River: ($47.75) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $22, MP raises $52.61 (All-In), Hero folds
Total pot: $91.75
Also your line is fine in the hand above until you get to the river. that just has to be a c/f if villain shoves. I dunno what you hope to achieve by leading out and in the case where you did you have to call it off now
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Originally posted by Bubbleking View PostPreflop is a fold for me 85% and a 3bet 15% it is never ever a call.
as played I call the flop and donk the turn to set up a river shove yourself. You dont want him checking it back because theres still lots to go in the middle. plus its fun taking different lines. anyway I thinking donking the turn is best.
Fold river you're never ahead
KQ soooooted is def a call there
Also your line is fine in the hand above until you get to the river. that just has to be a c/f if villain shoves. I dunno what you hope to achieve by leading out and in the case where you did you have to call it off nowPm for rakeback deals
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Originally posted by tipp86 View PostOk what hands do i beat if he never bluffs here and the player is fairly competent. I love the analysis great addition to the thread.
90% of the time i sigh and call.
flop - meh I have TPTK getting raised on an ultra dry board but I cant fold because thats super gay weak
Turn - easy fold if you didnt pair your Ace ball. villain has either JJ or 33 now for definite. but meh I have good implied equity so I guess I call and hope to house up. (no harm in folding here obv and I actually think its the best line)
River - just c/f. you arent going for thin value you are pealing off wads of virtual monies and setting them on fire
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Originally posted by Teddie View PostI don't understand why you are donking there.Pm for rakeback deals
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Originally posted by tipp86 View PostYa true looking back maybe its bad. I guess im trying to get value from the few hands i beat as this guy will check back the hands i beat here but yet will most likely call $22. In hindsight maybe its bad but do we call a shove?"I can’t find anyone who agrees with what I write or think these days, so I guess I must be getting closer to the truth." - Hunter S. Thompson
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Originally posted by AndyFB View PostYou're getting a great price and KJ is such a large part of his range. It's probably a fold but I think with the "fuck that guy" factor nobody's actually folding.Pm for rakeback deals
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Just hit -30 buyins since Christmas there today. Have won 5 stacks and after that nothing bigger than 50bb in 11k hands.
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Originally posted by zuutroy View PostJust hit -30 buyins since Christmas there today. Have won 5 stacks and after that nothing bigger than 50bb in 11k hands.
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Originally posted by tipp86 View PostYa true looking back maybe its bad. I guess im trying to get value from the few hands i beat as this guy will check back the hands i beat here but yet will most likely call $22. In hindsight maybe its bad but do we call a shove?
Bubbleking summed it up really. The only worse hand he'll check back is KJ, and even then I'm not sure he'll call with KJ if you donk river. He's just going to shove everything you beat, which is more hands then KJ.
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Originally posted by Flushdraw View PostThat's pretty disgusting zuutroy. You going to try and fight through it, or drop down to get a bit of confidence and try and claw back a bit?
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Originally posted by Flushdraw View PostJesus, that's some sick EV you're missing out on there Line Us
What was the hand with the ~$6k pot around the 3100 hand mark? Looks like it was kick a penguin time
No-Limit Hold'em, $50.00 BB (4 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
UTG ($5000)
Hero (Button) ($5570)
SB ($6095)
BB ($5525)
Preflop: Hero is Button with 4, 4
UTG bets $150, Hero calls $150, SB calls $125, 1 fold
Flop: ($500) 2, Q, 4 (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $400, Hero calls $400, SB raises $1400, UTG calls $1000, Hero raises $5020 (All-In), SB raises $4545 (All-In), 1 fold
Turn: ($12740) 10 (2 players, 2 all-in)
River: ($12740) 3 (2 players, 2 all-in)
Total pot: $12740
Results:
Hero had 4, 4 (three of a kind, fours).
SB had A, 7 (flush, Ace high).
Outcome: SB won $13260
BTW, I didnt raise the flop because sb checkraises super light in this spot. Lost another 7k in a flip after the graphs too, qq < ak ,so it looks a bit worse now again!"Don't overcomplicate a straight forward game with mathematical bullshit and dicussing different lines with your geeky friends" Chris Olaafson
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Originally posted by zuutroy View PostAlready dropped down when I passed 20. Dunno what to do really...getting a bit sick of it now. I'm about 17 below EV over the stretch."I can’t find anyone who agrees with what I write or think these days, so I guess I must be getting closer to the truth." - Hunter S. Thompson
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Originally posted by NewApproach View PostTourney hand I played earlier. Not sure if they're ever done in here but its not really worthy of its own thread.
14 left form 60 starters in a CPT €100 fo.
Avg stack: 68k
Blinds 3000/6000/500
Folded to Villain (85k) in CO who opens to 15k. I would view him as pretty aggro, opening wide and cbetting lots. Not much other reads, but he would be who I consider to be one of the better players at the table.
Folded to me in BB(110k) and I have A5o. My image would be a solid TAG.
I elect to flat. I considered 3betting as he would open wide in that spot, but I couldn't decide on a 3bet size (shove would have been too big imo, making it 40k is a bit ghey)
Flop A55.
I check call a 20k cbet.
Turn K
I check again, he checks behind.
River K
I check, he shoves for 50k.
Me??
Thought on all streets here please.
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Originally posted by coillcam View PostHe'll give up poker if he takes up civ, it's a full time occupation."I can’t find anyone who agrees with what I write or think these days, so I guess I must be getting closer to the truth." - Hunter S. Thompson
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I'm missing a few k hands that are on the laptop, but it actually doesn't look too bad when you look at the bb graph, but the euro graph is horrible. I wish I had've ran hot at 50 rather than 10 and 20!
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