General Poker Thread

[TommyGunne]

Lol. That is pretty comical alright!

[coillcam]

Ok il state this was a first everyone think im crazy yes?


Villian is 18/0 and has never 3 or 4 bet over 600 hands. Im not really worried about button he is pretty aggro on button.

Ok here is the truth i timed out by accident i at least call here but does anyone think we can never be good against the BB ?

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (MP) ($50)
Button ($50)
SB ($13.90)
BB ($50.68)
UTG ($52.62)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K, K
UTG calls $0.50, Hero bets $2, Button raises $6.50, 2 folds, UTG raises $10.50, 2 folds

Total pot: $15.75

Results:
UTG didn't show
Outcome: UTG won $20.25

***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (IPoker)
$20.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, January 04, 11:00:41 ET 2011
Table Flier (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $20.00 USD ) - VPIP: 7, PFR: 6, 3B: 5, AF: 4.0, Hands: 98
Seat 3: Hero ( $20.00 USD ) - VPIP: 21, PFR: 16, 3B: 5, AF: 3.1, Hands: 4371
Seat 5: Player5 ( $28.78 USD ) - VPIP: 27, PFR: 23, 3B: 3, AF: 2.3, Hands: 323
Seat 6: Player6 ( $19.70 USD ) - VPIP: 26, PFR: 24, 3B: 2, AF: Infinity, Hands: 104
Seat 8: Player8 ( $11.36 USD ) - VPIP: 72, PFR: 33, 3B: 23, AF: 1.7, Hands: 69
Seat 10: Player10 ( $20.00 USD ) - VPIP: 7, PFR: 6, 3B: 5, AF: 4.0, Hands: 98
Hero posts small blind [$0.10 USD].
Player5 posts big blind [$0.20 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Jc Js ]
Player6 folds
Player8 folds
Player1 raises [$0.60 USD]
Hero calls [$0.50 USD]
Player5 folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3c, 2d, 2s ]
Hero checks
Player1 bets [$1.00 USD]
Hero calls [$1.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5s ]
Hero checks
Player1 checks
** Dealing River ** [ 9d ]
Hero checks
Player1 bets [$1.70 USD]
Hero calls [$1.70 USD]
Player1 wins $6.46 USD from main pot
Player1 shows [Ad, As ]

This was a lol hand something similar, guy had like 0/0/0 over 40 hands at the time and I still did not believe him.

http://www.pokertableratings.com/ipo...ch/expluatator is the guy. Absolutely terrible, thought it was a bot at one stage.

[Teddie]

Villain is 21/14 over 548 hands, nothing spewy about him really and we dont have much history. WTSD is 28%. I normally never do this at 20nl as most players are fish, but I thought this was a good spot. Hands like AT, T9 are less likely, QJ/KJ might even fold? So KQ and 2's are only likely but I feel he'll raise flop/turn here when it's BvB.

IPoker Network $20.00 No Limit Hold'em - 3 players - View hand 1110035
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Hero (SB): $20.00
BB: $24.13
BTN: $24.69

Pre Flop: ($0.30) Hero is SB with T J
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.80, BB calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.60) 2 K Q (2 players)
Hero bets $1.00, BB calls $1

Turn: ($3.60) J (2 players)
Hero bets $2.80, BB calls $2.80

River: ($9.20) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $4.40, Hero raises to $15.40

[tipp86]

Dunno what to say i dont hate it but i really would be tempted to call you with a lot of hands as its just weird on the river.

[ianmc38]

You're representing exactly what you have. Very bad bluff imo.

[BuChan]

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($25.80)
MP ($11.40)
CO ($13.02)
Button ($31.07)
Hero (SB) ($54.03)
BB ($25)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Qs,6s
3 folds, Button bets $0.60, Hero raises to $2.05, 1 fold, Button calls $1.45

Flop: ($4.35) 5s,9h,9c (2 players)
Hero bets $3.50, Button calls $3.50

Turn: ($11.35) Jh (2 players)
Hero bets $6.55, Button calls $6.55

River: ($24.45) 3d (2 players)
Hero bets $19.00

standard or spewy? been ages since i played online cash, it's rush poker. my flop bet is too big.
i think his range is super wide, most pairs, 78 and A highs. random floats that spiked the J ever folding...?

[Guest]

God thats spewy. Just c/f flop.

[Line Us]

Ya a bit spewy alright, probably would fire flop too but would check fold the turn unless I had picked up a spade. You are going to need more than fold equity to make these 3 barrells profitable and especially on a paired board. Betsizing was ok, I like the slightly bigger flop bet than normal when you are > 100bbs deep as it sets up the barrells better on later streets but maybe $2.80 to $3ish rather than $3.50, no need to go as big as you did.

[Guest]

I think you get close to zero folds on this flop. Think the backdoor equity still makes it worthwhile to fire?

[Emperor Badger]

Just a quickie. This is my 4th hand at the table so no reads. I was thinking about 3Betting pre flop but wasn't exactly sure. I'm also uncertain about the call to the button's 3Bet on the flop. Should I have just folded to the flop 3Bet or peel and see a turn?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG+1 ($0.71)
MP1 ($4.34)
MP2 ($2.06)
MP3 ($3.33)
Hero (CO) ($2)
Button ($1.47)
SB ($1.21)
BB ($0.98)
UTG ($2.15)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A, Q
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.02, 1 fold, MP3 bets $0.09, Hero calls $0.09, Button calls $0.09, 2 folds, MP1 calls $0.07

Flop: ($0.39) 5, 9, A (4 players)
MP1 checks, MP3 bets $0.02, Hero raises to $0.19, Button raises to $0.36, 1 fold, MP3 calls $0.34, Hero calls $0.17

Turn: ($1.47) 8 (3 players)
MP3 checks, Hero checks, Button bets $1.02 (All-In), MP3 calls $1.02, Hero folds

River: ($3.51) 8 (2 players, 1 all-in)

[bp_me]

Just a quickie. This is my 4th hand at the table so no reads. I was thinking about 3Betting pre flop but wasn't exactly sure. I'm also uncertain about the call to the button's 3Bet on the flop. Should I have just folded to the flop 3Bet or peel and see a turn?

3 bet pre. Raise more on the flop.

[Line Us]

I think you get close to zero folds on this flop. Think the backdoor equity still makes it worthwhile to fire?

Depends on lots of variables obv but if we have a reasonable cbet in 3bet pots of say 70%ish and we barrell reasonably often too then i think we can expect him to fold a reasonable enough ammount on the flop to make a 1/2 to 3/4 pot profitable, on the turn though I cant see him folding enough to fire again without added equity.

No way he folds close to 0 on this flop, he'll have plenty of no pair + no draw hands here usually against a sb 3better but again it depends, if you 3bet like 4% from sb and this is the bottom of your range then i'd take your line but if you 3bet more often in this spot then I'd definitely fire 1 with the plan of continuing on certain turns. if I didnt have the backdoor then I'd just add it to the the check fold range but I'd say its a good enough hand to stick in the betting range anyway.

[BuChan]

yeh, i thought it was safe flop to bet for sure. tbh i thought it was a good board to 3barrell since he peels flop and probably turn so light. you only like this if i pick up spade/straight outs on the turn?

[Line Us]

yeh, i thought it was safe flop to bet for sure. tbh i thought it was a good board to 3barrell since he peels flop and probably turn so light. you only like this if i pick up spade/straight outs on the turn?

Ya because it's a paired board you can't expect to get many more folds from his range. It's like one of those unwriten rules, don't bluff paired boards. You'll definitely need to pick up the 15% equity on the turn to make it a profitable bet vs his range.

[Opr]

I think if I bet the flop then I bet alot of turns. He will surely be peeling that flop super wide IP ? Then once you get called on the river I think you gotta bet. I mean you can be value betting a tonne of hands and his hand should basically be a bluff catcher on the river most of the time.

Opr

[tipp86]

Worst session of all time sterling & euro aswell.All 50nl



Ive ran pretty well with a month so guess i cant complain that much. On the other hand twice in a week Its was a 50/8 type player aswell at least with a reg straight flush might enter your mind.

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (MP) ($70.31)
CO ($52.63)
Button ($7.93)
SB ($50.45)
BB ($48.50)
UTG ($65.39)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J, A
1 fold, Hero bets $1.50, CO calls $1.50, 3 folds

Flop: ($3.75) 3, 9, 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $2.50, CO raises $5, Hero calls $2.50

Turn: ($13.75) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($13.75) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $10.50, CO raises $46.13 (All-In), Hero calls $35.63

Total pot: $106.01

Results:
Hero had J, A (flush, Ace high).
CO had 8, 10 (straight flush, ten high).
Outcome: CO won $103.01

[AndyFatBastard]

Is 6k hands really just a session for you? I'd call it a quality day's grinding if I play 2k, and my head would be melted by the end.

[tipp86]

NO not normal 3-4k is normal. Il do 3k with ease at that point i get a bit uneasy and tired.

It all depends really i was down a lot its a Friday night and tables relatively fishy so it was very hard to stop.

Im not really a bad tilter although its impossible for there to be 0 effect but i said id keep motoring on but it wasnt to be so when my tables dried up i quit.

[MegaSin]

Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 6 players - View hand 1112895
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BB: t2699 89.97 BBs
UTG: t2790 93 BBs
Hero (MP): t3721 124.03 BBs
CO: t3730 124.33 BBs
BTN: t2600 86.67 BBs
SB: t2460 82 BBs

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is MP with Q :heart: Q :club:
UTG calls t30, Hero raises to t120, CO calls t120, 1 fold, SB calls t105, BB calls t90, UTG calls t90

Flop: (t600) 9 :diamond: 4 :spade: 8 :spade: (5 players)
SB checks, BB bets t150, UTG raises to t330, Hero raises to t3601 all in, CO folds, SB folds, BB calls t2429 all in, UTG folds

Turn: (t6088) 2 :diamond: (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t6088) 7 :spade: (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: t6088
BB shows T :club: J :club: (a straight, Seven to Jack)
Hero shows Q :heart: Q :club: (a pair of Queens)
BB wins t6088


Is this exactly the way this is supposed to happen. Apart from make it more pre?

[Opr]

Why are you asking MegaSin ? You get it in as a huge favourite, well done.

Opr

[MegaSin]

Why are you asking MegaSin ? You get it in as a huge favourite, well done.

Opr

Thinking maybe a better line would of been call the flop?

I know I got very unlucky to a mongo in the hand

[Emperor Badger]

Another quickie. Villian is a 95/0/AF: 0.2 after 23 hands. What does a passive fish reraise with on the river? Just the case 6?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP3 ($2.57)
CO ($2.47)
Button ($1.95)
SB ($1.49)
BB ($1.96)
UTG ($2)
UTG+1 ($2)
Hero (MP1) ($2.30)
MP2 ($2.36)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 8, 8
2 folds, Hero bets $0.06, MP2 calls $0.06, 3 folds, SB calls $0.05, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.20) 6, 6, 7 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.09, 1 fold, SB calls $0.09

Turn: ($0.38) 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.17, SB calls $0.17

River: ($0.72) 5 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.36, SB raises to $1.17 (All-In), Hero ???

[AndyFatBastard]

So I'm grinding out a bonus on Party Poker. OMFG the players at 50nl are donktacular. Some of the play I'm seeing from even the regs is retardedly bad.

@Emperor Badger: This is always a call. A fish holding a 7 here will often think he has the nuts.

[Dice75]

Exit Hand from Live MTT

Better way to play this........

Dice UTG +1 (50k) AsJc
SB (5k)
BB (55k)

Blinds 600/1200 Ante 100
Average stack 40k.
Still 15 off the money.

I limp early, Sb ships his 5k, BB calls & I call.
Flop Ac 2c js

BB leads 7k, I ship all in & eventually get called.

My thinking in the limp was that there were 2 big stacks to my left and I didnt want to be faced with a re-raise preflop. I was 99% sure the SB was shipping & figured if there was a raise to my left the SB ship would leave them unable to reraise thus allowing a view of the flop for 5k.

The problem then came from the BB's flat call of the SB's push despite knowing I was in the hand with an EP limp. Was he trapping for a reraise or trying to see a cheap flop coz im sure he knew I knew the SB was pushing.
v
Questions are - Should I raise preflop initially?
- Should I reraise after BB's flat call ?
- Should I flat call flop & re-evaluate turn in case of flush-draw / set?


No real info on BB.

[MegaSin]

Exit Hand from Live MTT

Better way to play this........

Dice UTG +1 (50k) AsJc
SB (5k)
BB (55k)

Blinds 600/1200 Ante 100
Average stack 40k.
Still 15 off the money.

I limp early, Sb ships his 5k, BB calls & I call.
Flop Ac 2c js

BB leads 7k, I ship all in & eventually get called.

My thinking in the limp was that there were 2 big stacks to my left and I didnt want to be faced with a re-raise preflop. I was 99% sure the SB was shipping & figured if there was a raise to my left the SB ship would leave them unable to reraise thus allowing a view of the flop for 5k.

The problem then came from the BB's flat call of the SB's push despite knowing I was in the hand with an EP limp. Was he trapping for a reraise or trying to see a cheap flop coz im sure he knew I knew the SB was pushing.
v
Questions are - Should I raise preflop initially?
- Should I reraise after BB's flat call ?
- Should I flat call flop & re-evaluate turn in case of flush-draw / set?


No real info on BB.

As you are much better then me i'm not sure my advise will be worth much.

But I like a fold preflop. After that read dependent I push when shortie pushes to isolate. But again read dependent. If BB has been spewing chips needlessly.

On the flop though I don't see how you are getting away. Puke if he shows something retarded like 22

Edit: just seen you said ne real info on BB. Tough here so.

[HiCloy]

So I'm grinding out a bonus on Party Poker. OMFG the players at 50nl are donktacular. Some of the play I'm seeing from even the regs is retardedly bad.

@Emperor Badger: This is always a call. A fish holding a 7 here will often think he has the nuts.

Standard Party hand from monthly million, MP3 had J5o:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, 640 Tournament, 50/100 Blinds (10 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button (t17475)
CO (t19625)
Hero (UTG) (t17400)
UTG+2 (t15500)
BB (t41433)
UTG+1 (t29858)
SB (t40890)
MP2 (t28769)
MP1 (t20000)
MP3 (t29050)

Hero's M: 116.00

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 5, 10
5 folds, MP3 calls t100, 3 folds, BB bets t500, MP3 calls t500

Flop: (t1250) J, 4, 4 (2 players)
BB bets t1000, MP3 calls t1000

Turn: (t3250) 8 (2 players)
BB checks, MP3 bets t1400, BB raises t2800, MP3 calls t1400

River: (t8850) 8 (2 players)
BB bets t6637, MP3 calls t6637

Total pot: t22124

Results:
BB had J, J (full house, Jacks over eights).
MP3 didn't show
Outcome: BB won t22124

[Dice75]

As you are much better then me i'm not sure my advise will be worth much.

But I like a fold preflop. After that read dependent I push when shortie pushes to isolate. But again read dependent. If BB has been spewing chips needlessly.

On the flop though I don't see how you are getting away. Puke if he shows something retarded like 22

Edit: just seen you said ne real info on BB. Tough here so.

Normally raise or fold preflop here but Sb stack changed the dynamic of the way the hand could play out.

Anyhow - BB had 5c6c and rivered a flush.

[MegaSin]

Normally raise or fold preflop here but Sb stack changed the dynamic of the way the hand could play out.

Anyhow - BB had 5c6c and rivered a flush.

I see. Limping to induce the push.

UL with the results though. It happened exactly as you wanted it and the BB can fold to your all in I think there.

[BlindLimper]

Micro stakes PLO is crazy sometimes

IPoker Network $20.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BB: $20.00
Hero (UTG): $31.31
CO: $19.00
BTN: $38.76
SB: $98.15

Pre Flop: ($0.30) Hero is UTG with 2 9 2 3
1 fold, CO raises to $0.70, BTN raises to $2.40, SB calls $2.30, BB calls $2.20, CO raises to $12, BTN raises to $38.76, SB calls $36.36, BB calls $17.60 all in, CO calls $7 all in

Flop: ($116.52) 5 8 3 (4 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: ($116.52) 6 (4 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($116.52) 9 (4 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $116.52
BB shows K 9 6 J
CO shows K T J Q
BTN shows 4 A T A
SB shows A A 4 J
(Rake: $3.00)


IPoker Network $20.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

SB: $76.48
BB: $4.00
Hero (UTG): $30.41
MP: $20.48
CO: $9.79
BTN: $99.20

Pre Flop: ($0.40) Hero is UTG with 6 T 9 T
2 folds, CO raises to $0.70, BTN calls $0.70, SB raises to $3, 1 fold, CO raises to $9.79, BTN calls $9.09, SB raises to $39.26, BTN calls $29.47

Flop: ($88.51) 9 4 J (3 players)
SB bets $37.22, BTN calls $37.22

Turn: ($162.95) 7 (3 players)

River: ($162.95) 8 (3 players)

Final Pot: $162.95
SB shows A Q A J
CO shows 7 A 8 A
BTN shows T Q 2 K
(Rake: $3.00)

He was sitting with $182 at a 20plo table after that! Also this hand converter is the nuts, works really good for this forum with the pretty pictures

[MegaSin]

Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t75/t150 Blinds - 9 players - View hand 1114195
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

UTG+2: t5360 35.73 BBs
MP1: t6180 41.20 BBs
MP2: t9596 63.97 BBs
CO: t2325 15.50 BBs
Hero (BTN): t3085 20.57 BBs
SB: t7936 52.91 BBs
BB: t8500 56.67 BBs
UTG: t2850 19 BBs
UTG+1: t7250 48.33 BBs

Pre Flop: (t225) Hero is BTN with T :diamond: T :club:
4 folds, MP2 calls t150, 1 fold, Hero raises to t600, 2 folds, MP2 calls t450

Flop: (t1425) J :club: 4 :diamond: 6 :club: (2 players)
MP2 bets t450, Hero calls t450

Turn: (t2325) 6 :heart: (2 players)
MP2 bets t900, Hero folds

Final Pot: t2325
MP2 wins t2325


This the right play. Villian has shown down with the goods 3 times in as many hands.

[Emmet]

Just some little ones. Mostly concerned with betsizing here. Still trying to "fix" my game and getting nowhere quick.
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________
1
Is this beyond standard? Just felt that that was the nut worst turn card.

BTN is playing 21/19 over 40 hands with 4.5 AF. He's not got out of line at any stage.
SB is the biggest fish at the table. 50/0 with 4AF after 40 hands.

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($3.34)
BB ($10.07)
Hero (UTG) ($10.79)
MP ($13.92)
CO ($8.55)
Button ($18.76)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J, J
Hero bets $0.35, MP calls $0.35, 1 fold, Button calls $0.35, SB calls $0.30, BB calls $0.25

Flop: ($1.75) 6, 8, 10 (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $1.30, MP calls $1.30, Button calls $1.30, SB calls $1.30, 1 fold

Turn: ($6.95) 6 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP checks, Button bets $3.47, SB calls $1.69 (All-In), Hero folds, 1 fold

River: ($10.33) Q (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $10.33

Results below:
Button had 3, K (flush, King high).
SB had A, 9 (one pair, sixes).
Outcome: Button won $11.43

__________________________________________________ _________________________________
2
And this was the nut worst river card. I'm not certain what I was at with the river bet, I guess I felt that if I check then I get bluffed off with the best hand a % of the time. I'm certain I'm beat when he raises though. Is this bullshit?

Villain in the hand is playing 20/16 over 120 hands. AF of 3 and I haven't really seen him do much.

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($10.50)
SB ($10.05)
BB ($10)
Hero (UTG) ($17.57)
MP ($10)
CO ($10.10)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q, Q
Hero bets $0.35, 1 fold, CO calls $0.35, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.85) 6, 9, 10 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.70, CO calls $0.70

Turn: ($2.25) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.70, CO calls $1.70

River: ($5.65) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.55, CO raises $7.35 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $8.75

Results below:
CO didn't show
Outcome: CO won $13.97

__________________________________________________ ____________________________________
3

Asking about my betsizing here. Think this is just a nasty beat tbh, but comments on UTG's play would be interesting.
UTG is running 15/13 over 350 hands, with AF of 7.4. I can see him turn up here with JJ-KK a heck of a lot more than I am beat. Is my betsizing correct vs these?

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.20 BB (4 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($37.92)
SB ($8.40)
Hero (BB) ($49.25)
UTG ($21.82)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, A
UTG bets $0.80, 2 folds, Hero raises $2.40, UTG calls $1.80

Flop: ($5.30) 3, 10, 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $3.40, UTG calls $3.40

Turn: ($12.10) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $5.50, UTG raises $15.82 (All-In), Hero calls $10.32

River: ($43.74) Q (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $43.74

Results below:
Hero had A, A (one pair, Aces).
UTG had 10, 9 (two pair, tens and nines).
Outcome: UTG won $41.74

[BuChan]

1st one looks fine. it's no the "nut" worst card but it's awful none the less.

2nd one i'd probably bet like 1.85 on turn but w/e. the bet on the river is terrible unless you have history with an aggro villain and your looking to induce a bluff.

3rd one is a coola, ul. i bet the flop a little smaller, 2.85 or so.

[Guest]

River in 2 is bad, rest is fine.

[TommyGunne]

Hand 1: You need to bet more on the flop. Rest is fine.

Hand 2: Is fine apart from river obv. Checking is clearly better, and I check/fold.

Hand 3: A little more preflop, less on the flop. See the way stack sizes have become awkward on the turn??? Its a function of betsizing earlier in the hand. Plan all your streets a little better. Trying to have a somewhat manageable stack to most future decisions is generally a good thing. Just try getting in the habit of figuring out how much the pot will be on the river and how much the shorter of you have if x happens. It helps you figure out some betsizing things. For what its worth, constant % betsizing in a hand is not a good assumption, but something of an ok guiding point I think as long as you know when, why and how to vary,

[Guest]

Line checks

First one is 34/9/2.0

http://www.holdemmanager.net

NL Holdem $0.25(BB) Replayer Game#55702836719

zuutroy ($26.45)
seychelles19 ($17.62)
douzlar ($25)
noimligs ($25)
MaybeYouFold ($30.61)
_I_I_mechant ($47.58)

zuutroy posts (SB) $0.10
seychelles19 posts (BB) $0.25

Dealt to zuutroy Td Kc
fold, fold, fold, fold,
zuutroy raises to $0.75
seychelles19 calls $0.50
FLOP ($1.50) Tc Qh Kh
zuutroy bets $1
seychelles19 raises to $3


2nd guy is 50/42 after 13 hands

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NL Holdem $0.25(BB) Replayer Game#55706939016

M@tt 57460 ($14.37)
TheVNsSTyLe ($30.64)
thony51 x ($29.06)
maximator55 ($26.95)
zuutroy ($42.83)
fafa0688 ($30.25)

M@tt 57460 posts (SB) $0.10
TheVNsSTyLe posts (BB) $0.25

Dealt to zuutroy 6c 6h
fold,
maximator55 raises to $0.75
zuutroy calls $0.75
fold, fold,
TheVNsSTyLe calls $0.50
FLOP ($2.35) 5s 4h 6s
TheVNsSTyLe checks
maximator55 bets $1.75
zuutroy raises to $6
TheVNsSTyLe folds
maximator55 calls $4.25
TURN ($14.35) 5s 4h 6s 8s
maximator55 checks

[tipp86]

Hand 1 - call evaluate turn

Hand 2 - check and fold river to a decent size bet assuming no house.

[BuChan]

hand one: cib it back for lulz! just raise hoping to get it in.

hand two: yuck, check. 13 hands is meaningless but i might call the river... just to see, lol solid.

[Emmet]

Ugh, the misery continues. I played really well tonight, and still getting pulverised by the deck!

SPOILER

Was folding pre here, except the drooler called in between us.


No-Limit Hold'em, $0.20 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($20)
MP ($24.69)
Button ($21.97)
Hero (SB) ($52.57)
BB ($22.75)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9, 9
1 fold, MP calls $0.20, 1 fold, Hero bets $0.90, BB raises $3.20, MP calls $3.20, Hero calls $2.40

Flop: ($10.20) J, 7, 9 (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $5.10, 1 fold, Hero raises $19.60, BB calls $14.25 (All-In)

Turn: ($48.90) 6 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($48.90) 8 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $48.90

Results:
Hero had 9, 9 (three of a kind, nines).
BB had 10, J (s
traight, Jack high).
Outcome: BB won $46.46

SPOILER

Is folding here standard or weak? Ride the variance with the call? Or snap fold?
Villain is playing 52/5 with 1.6 AF over 150 hands.

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.20 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($20)
UTG ($22.05)
MP ($28.95)
CO ($23.07)
Hero (Button) ($54.13)
SB ($22.55)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, A
UTG calls $0.20, 2 folds, Hero bets $0.90, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.70

Flop: ($2.10) 3, J, Q (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.80, UTG raises $3.60, Hero calls $1.80

Turn: ($9.30) K (2 players)
UTG bets $17.55 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $9.30

Results:
UTG didn't show
Outcome: UTG won $26.39

Thoughts on this hand? Raise or Call turn?
Villain is 39/30 over 60 hands.

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.20 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($20)
BB ($8.59)
UTG ($21.25)
Hero (MP) ($59.90)
Button ($20)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 8, 7
UTG bets $0.60, Hero calls $0.60, 3 folds

Flop: ($1.50) 2, 9, 10 (2 players)
UTG bets $1.20, Hero calls $1.20

Turn: ($3.90) Q (2 players)
UTG bets $2.60, Hero raises $6.80, 1 fold

Total pot: $9.10

Results:
Hero had 8, 7.
Outcome: Hero won $12.85

[AndyFatBastard]

Emmett:

1 - I'd just get em in on the flop. This is a spazz with AQ or a draw often enough to make it fine. Yes he has a set or two-pair a fair bit, but embrace the variance.

2 - Your play is good here. My back of a napkin maths says you'll be getting the odds to call if he shoves, your line looks super strong so he can fold plenty of better hands, and when called you're never in terrible shape.

[RoadSweeper]

Anyone see this. Its the latest thing by Poker Stars

Kinda cool idea imo

[ianmc38]

Zuutroy in 1, i'd call and see the turn.

hand 2 just check. 0 value in betting.

[tipp86]

Emmet

Hand 1 - I play it the same but maybe Andy has a point about raising the flop i personally dont but maybe im wrong in that. I think you played it fine.

Hand 2 - Played perfect imo. Id shove river regardless i think. These are spots im terrible in when i raise in that spot and the guy shoves i really never know when im priced into calling.

[Guest]

Jesus talk about bumhunters. Was 1 tabling there setting up HUD with 4 regs and a fish. the SECOND the fish sits out, all 4 regs sit out, and then when he leaves, they leave too.
Pretty ridic imo.

[Mike]

Jesus talk about bumhunters. Was 1 tabling there setting up HUD with 4 regs and a fish. the SECOND the fish sits out, all 4 regs sit out, and then when he leaves, they leave too.
Pretty ridic imo.

and for some reason they think the fish doesnt notice this

[Strewelpeter]

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[BlindLimper]

Loaded up 6 tables of plo there and after an hour i only realise that one of them is a HILO table!! Yikes. Funny enough i actually won money on it.

[Strewelpeter]

Jesus talk about bumhunters. Was 1 tabling there setting up HUD with 4 regs and a fish. the SECOND the fish sits out, all 4 regs sit out, and then when he leaves, they leave too.
Pretty ridic imo.

and for some reason they think the fish doesnt notice this

There must be enough recreational punters who have gone away because they feel at such a disadvantage to the grinders by now to make a business case for allowing randomisation of usernames.

[Guest]

Hey dudes, still losing at an alarming rate and wanna check if anyone sees anything dodge in my stats. I dont have my main HM database with me so excuse the format!

VPIP:21 (13/16/23/30/22/12)
PFR:16 (13/15/20/24/14/6)
3b: 5%
vs 3b fold: 60%
Agg: 3.1
Agg%:32
WWSF: 46%
WTSD:29
W$SD:51
Steal: 32 (25/41/29)
Flop Cbet: 67%
Fold to flop cbet: 48%
Raise cbet: 16%
c/r flop: 9%
turn cbet: 44%

I think they're most of the important ones?

[tipp86]

Im no good with stats but im after losing 20 buyins in 3 days so i understand the worry.

Are you playing on ipoker? Tables have not been great the last week or two.

[shano_88]

Hey dudes, still losing at an alarming rate and wanna check if anyone sees anything dodge in my stats. I dont have my main HM database with me so excuse the format!

VPIP:21 (13/16/23/30/22/12)
PFR:16 (13/15/20/24/14/6)
3b: 5%
vs 3b fold: 60%
Agg: 3.1
Agg%:32
WWSF: 46%
WTSD:29
W$SD:51
Steal: 32 (25/41/29)
Flop Cbet: 67%
Fold to flop cbet: 48%
Raise cbet: 16%
c/r flop: 9%
turn cbet: 44%

I think they're most of the important ones?

They look fairly good to me.

[Guest]

Im no good with stats but im after losing 20 buyins in 3 days so i understand the worry.

Are you playing on ipoker? Tables have not been great the last week or two.

mostly there yeah....feckin wits end now...I have it spread over 2 pcs but I'm pretty sure im 26-27 buyins down since the holidays

[AndyFatBastard]

Standard stuff for me yesterday - Take a shot, run like a pig. Highlight was losing 150BBs in a set over set.

[BlindLimper]

Stats look pretty good to me zuutroy could possibly try incorporating a few more 3bet bluffs into you 3betting in position to bring you 3bet stat up a bit, i used to play 100nl and 50nl on ipoker i feel your pain had similar runs, hopefully it turns around soon.

Zuutroy / Tipp what are the 50nl games like in your opinion? Playing 4 tables might be more profitable than playing 10/12?

[Guest]

Games are ok I guess. Hard to gauge when running bad because everyone seems like Phil Ivey then!

Not sure about how many tables to play. At the moment I just wanna maximise my hourly rate, not too pushed with improving, so I was considering going to 16 tables and playing 16/14 or something. Up to now I'd been playing 8-9.

[Line Us]

I'd say its probably a bad plan to move to more tables if your running bad and think you might have some leaks. Stick up a screen shot when ya can of your stats as theres not much obvious there, apart from a low 3bet and a low turn cbet. Whats your river cbet? I'd prefer a wider co opening range too and a bit higher checkraise precentage as there are probably loads of good spots to be checkraising multitabling high cbetting regs at 50nl, do you donk much also?

[tipp86]

Stats look pretty good to me zuutroy could possibly try incorporating a few more 3bet bluffs into you 3betting in position to bring you 3bet stat up a bit, i used to play 100nl and 50nl on ipoker i feel your pain had similar runs, hopefully it turns around soon.

Zuutroy / Tipp what are the 50nl games like in your opinion? Playing 4 tables might be more profitable than playing 10/12?

As zuutroy said when you run bad you feel like the standard is unreal and when you run good everyone is useless and you will be playing 200nl next week as you feel you are so good.

I ran a bit to good last month so its really just balancing for me i guess but its emotionally tought to lose 12 buyins in one day and follow that up by losing 3 or 4 buyins in the next couple of sessions.

While i have the mental strenght to not let it effect me much it effects your game in a confidence sense.

@ blind limper - 9 tables @ 50nl = approx €16 rb a hour my win rate has been approx 1.5bb/100. Works out about €20 a hour in total.

If i cut to 4 tables i make €7 a hour rb which means i need to win at 10bb/100 which is not going to happen.

[tipp86]

Villian is 22/18/3.1 with a 6.3 3 bet and 9% squezze



No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($63.71)
MP ($80.86)
Button ($53.13)
Hero (SB) ($59.36)
BB ($40.42)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J, J
UTG bets $1.75, MP calls $1.75, Button raises $6, Hero calls $5.75, 2 folds, MP calls $4.25

Flop: ($20.25) 2, 7, 10 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, Button bets $12.50, Hero calls $12.50, 1 fold

Turn: ($45.25) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $34.63 (All-In), Hero calls $34.63

River: ($114.51) Q (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $114.51

[BlindLimper]

@ blind limper - 9 tables @ 50nl = approx €16 rb a hour my win rate has been approx 1.5bb/100. Works out about €20 a hour in total.

If i cut to 4 tables i make €7 a hour rb which means i need to win at 10bb/100 which is not going to happen.

Ive never done the math but that sounds like a big winrate needed when playin less tables to equal ur hourly rate when multitabling. Not saying your wrong just that im suprised is all.

When im on a big down swing i normally play fewer tables and try and book wins even if its only a buy in. I normally play shorter sessions too and have a 2-3 bi stop loss system. Might only stop for an hour but it definately helps. I would normally be 8-10 tabling but cutting down helps me a lot to maybe 4-6 tables. Anyway its prob stuff you do already but no harm in putting it out there.

[Guest]

I don't like the cold call there tipp. I think its a fold pre.

[Guest]

I'd say its probably a bad plan to move to more tables if your running bad and think you might have some leaks. Stick up a screen shot when ya can of your stats as theres not much obvious there, apart from a low 3bet and a low turn cbet. Whats your river cbet? I'd prefer a wider co opening range too and a bit higher checkraise precentage as there are probably loads of good spots to be checkraising multitabling high cbetting regs at 50nl, do you donk much also?

only saw this now...I thought mid 40s was standard for turn cbet. Average in my DB is 45% among regs. I think river cbet is just about 60%. By that stage I think its so hand and villain dependent that its meaningless trying to use it as any sort of indicator unless its over a huge sample. I tightened up CO range because you just get 3b so often by the button. My 3bet is reasonably low, I prefer to take flops and keep the SPR high when I'm in position. I think 5 is a decent enough number in that you get as decent amount of respect and also get paid off. Only time I donk is if I'm trying to squeeze a fish, though I do it occasionally in blind vs button scenarios too.
Regarding the c/r thing, I've always thought it should be over 10% alright but it just never ends up getting there!