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So I was up 980 euro for the month and was keen to ship the 1k milestone for the month, so I loaded up a few tables, got to 998 euro, then the poker gods in their infinite compassion decided to ship me the ol' 17 buyin downswing....AGH!
Its amazing how easy it can happen when you're on the wrong side of a few aipfs and take a few beats!
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That would be about the worst downswing i would have had at 50nl. Its honestly impossible for even the smallest c bet to work when your running like that. Ive had the most beautiful of months really worst downswing was about 400 but i recovered very quick and most of my sessions were steady wins or losses.Pm for rakeback deals
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Originally posted by shano_88 View PostThat is pretty sick Zuutroy. Its really tough to play through shit like that.
I've even given a few quid to tipp86!
This was a rough spot from earlier. Straightforward TAG stats...Raise/call flop?...call/fold/ship turn?
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NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
SB ($64.76)
BB ($71.03)
UTG ($53.45)
Hero ($50)
BTN ($52.75)
Dealt to Hero Q:club: Q:diamond:
fold, Hero raises to $1.75, BTN calls $1.75, SB calls $1.50, BB calls $1.25
FLOP ($7) T:heart: 9:club: J:diamond:
SB checks, BB bets $4.50, Hero calls $4.50, BTN calls $4.50, SB folds
TURN ($20.50) T:heart: 9:club: J:diamond: 2:club:
BB bets $12...
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Given betsizing and our blockers to the nuts, I'm peeling one off there. He could have some weak top pairs, some TP+Straight draw hands and some weak two pair hands he is betting like this that we're not doing all that bad against. He almost never has a set and given our hand rarely has a made straight bar the dummy end of it which again we're live against (Albeit barely). Getting ~3/1 I'm peeling. River is an it depends. I don't like shoving the turn, if you considered that, I prefer calling."In the world, there are many kings but there is only one God. I am God, I am El Tren" :{)
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Jesus zuutroy i hope your not one of the many regs i abuse on chat i cant help myself usually its just to entertain myself or they needle me into it. If i did accept my apologies ha.
I dont really like playing under the name im playing on at the moment but this account has been set up years ago.
Have we many hand together?Pm for rakeback deals
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Originally posted by tipp86 View PostJesus zuutroy i hope your not one of the many regs i abuse on chat i cant help myself usually its just to entertain myself or they needle me into it. If i did accept my apologies ha.
I dont really like playing under the name im playing on at the moment but this account has been set up years ago.
Have we many hand together?
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Folks need some help with Holdem manager. Been playing a wee bit recently and trying to get HM going again to look at stats. I want to set up a filter to see my bb/100 when i:
1. 3bet in position
2. 3bet out of position but not the blinds
3. 3bet from the blinds
4. Any 4bet
Cheers!Looking for full or part time poker and betting writers. PM if interested.
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@ Ian. click the drop down and on filters and select edit. All the stuff you want will be in main filters, filter by actions and more filters. For example for 3bet from the blinds check the boxes for small blind and big blinds on the main filter page. Then go to the more filters tab and select did 3bet = true , add this filter and then save and close.
The other ones can probably be done in a similar way if you mess around with it a bit
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Originally posted by zuutroy View PostI have chat off I think. I 9-10 table so I barely even notice sn's, only realised it when reviewing hands. Only have one reasonable size pot where I 3b you with KQs and cbet a fd board, then bet the K turn which brought in the flush and you shoved and I folded.
Just had a quick search the only hand thats seems like that one i had air but im not 100% sure that i have the correct hand if you were in the sb then i probably have.
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (CO) ($140.24)
Button ($22.27)
SB ($83.11)
BB ($50)
UTG ($50)
MP ($74.07)
Preflop: Hero is CO with 7, 7
2 folds, Hero bets $1.50, 1 fold, SB raises $5.25, 1 fold, Hero calls $4
Flop: ($11.50) 10, 6, 3 (2 players)
SB bets $6, Hero calls $6
Turn: ($23.50) K (2 players)
SB bets $12.50, Hero raises $28.50, 1 fold
Total pot: $48.50
Results:
Hero had 7, 7.
Outcome: Hero won $62.08Last edited by tipp86; 30-12-10, 18:03.Pm for rakeback deals
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Thats the one alright. Not sure what stats you had me at or whatever but I don't hate it 160bb deep. I can't really continue with too many combos especially when the stats I have on you are so tight.
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I understand how the 7c would be a lot better here.
Ok first of all im not calling here pre all the time the fact we are a little deeper than 100bbs probably encourages my call.
Im not going to post his stats but its fair to say he had shown an aggressive streak over the sample that i had although his 3 bet was not exactly very high.
Again im not sure what my stats were at the table but it could have been pretty nitty.
I just think that it was going to be very tough for him to call my turn raise under the circumstances. A hell of a lot of regs at 50nl are well able to fire 2 barrels with pretty much any 2 cards.
Its amazing how often second and third pair will be good come the river at this level. the vast majority of regs are not capable of barreling 3 streets with nothing most just give up on river.
What hands can he call or raise with? AK & KQ with a club, sets and i guess a couple of combinations of hands that include Ac. I just think that raising semi bluff hands is horrible against the stats i may have been playing.
So basically there is such a tiny range that he can call or raise with i felt it was ok.
Im shoving most rivers aswell.
Maybe my logic is horrible im not sure but that is my thought process anyway.Pm for rakeback deals
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Thats sick line us! Fair play.
Does anyone have any idea of HU PLO and NLHE standard devs in big blinds per 100 in a very aggro game? I think HU NLHE might be around the 130bb/100 mark but amn't sure. Haven't really played enough HU to have a sample on it, and have never played HU PLO. Would a 200bb/100 estimate be out of place in a very aggro game of HUPLO? Would be much obliged if someone had an estimate based on a sample.
For a good estimate, I'll tell the reason!Last edited by TommyGunne; 30-12-10, 23:23.Foldaramus et foldarabimus
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Originally posted by zuutroy View PostI have chat off I think. I 9-10 table so I barely even notice sn's, only realised it when reviewing hands. Only have one reasonable size pot where I 3b you with KQs and cbet a fd board, then bet the K turn which brought in the flush and you shoved and I folded.Originally posted by tipp86 View PostWeird depends what i thought about you. I could really have anything from air to the nuts depending on whatever history we had.
Just had a quick search the only hand thats seems like that one i had air but im not 100% sure that i have the correct hand if you were in the sb then i probably have.
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (CO) ($140.24)
Button ($22.27)
SB ($83.11)
BB ($50)
UTG ($50)
MP ($74.07)
Preflop: Hero is CO with 7, 7
2 folds, Hero bets $1.50, 1 fold, SB raises $5.25, 1 fold, Hero calls $4
Flop: ($11.50) 10, 6, 3 (2 players)
SB bets $6, Hero calls $6
Turn: ($23.50) K (2 players)
SB bets $12.50, Hero raises $28.50, 1 fold
Total pot: $48.50
Results:
Hero had 7, 7.
Outcome: Hero won $62.08Originally posted by zuutroy View PostThats the one alright. Not sure what stats you had me at or whatever but I don't hate it 160bb deep. I can't really continue with too many combos especially when the stats I have on you are so tight.
Wish results had not been posted, but on Zuutroys side first, 3bet is bad but not terrible, he will call you lighter than usual here as we are deep if he is anyway capable(which i presume tipp is). Flop cbet is ok again but not standard without back door flush draw, turn cbet is absolutely standard once you get there but I cant see how you bet fold here, villiian reps nothing when he raises, great spot to flat and let villian barrell it off, a tight villian has very few flush draws after pre and flop action and definitly doesn't raise them on the turn.
As for Tipp, pre is fine obv but flop is a fold vs anyone who's not a fish or redic aggro as you get barrelled off the best hand too often to continue, turn is a snap fold, raising is very bad, you rep absolutely nothing, and also dont need to rep anything here.
Don't mean to be harsh but the hand is played a bit badly on both sides, glad ye posted it, even though it seemed like a standard hand."Don't overcomplicate a straight forward game with mathematical bullshit and dicussing different lines with your geeky friends" Chris Olaafson
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Originally posted by Line Us View PostI think we should sticky this on how not to play >100bbs deep!!!
Wish results had not been posted, but on Zuutroys side first, 3bet is bad but not terrible, he will call you lighter than usual here as we are deep if he is anyway capable(which i presume tipp is). Flop cbet is ok again but not standard without back door flush draw, turn cbet is absolutely standard once you get there but I cant see how you bet fold here, villiian reps nothing when he raises, great spot to flat and let villian barrell it off, a tight villian has very few flush draws after pre and flop action and definitly doesn't raise them on the turn.
As for Tipp, pre is fine obv but flop is a fold vs anyone who's not a fish or redic aggro as you get barrelled off the best hand too often to continue, turn is a snap fold, raising is very bad, you rep absolutely nothing, and also dont need to rep anything here.
Don't mean to be harsh but the hand is played a bit badly on both sides, glad ye posted it, even though it seemed like a standard hand.
The funny thing is i feel if im in zuutroys shoes im doing the same thing if i 3 bet the hand which is the one thing im probably not doing.
I think my thought process at the time was along the following
We have 77 raise ok he has 3 bet us lets call we are deep and his range is not just value 3 bets.
Ok bad flop will we fold to c bet. No his c bet is 75% and his aggression is 8. I could still be ahead here.
Turn K which brings the flush. He bets again which i expected im just think ok lets use my stats which are skewed and raise he cant call hes seen me as been an extreme nit. Lets make it 28 if he shoves i fold if he calls i shove river if its not a club.
I personally will probably raise the flop 80% there with any flush draw hands.Pm for rakeback deals
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3 bet is indeed poor and not something I'd normally be doing, even 100bb deep. Don't really know what I was at.
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The consequence of me playing a lot more laggy this month is people are getting it in much lighter versus me pre. It's great but I can't win one of them. Getting killed.
Some examples:
NL Holdem $1(BB) Replayer
SB ($18.05)
BB ($101)
UTG ($55.87)
CO ($248)
Hero ($110)
Dealt to Hero A:club: K:club:
fold, fold, Hero raises to $2.25, SB calls $1.75, BB raises to $9, Hero raises to $20.75, fold, BB raises to $101 (AI), Hero calls $80.75
FLOP ($205) 6:club: Q:heart: 2:diamond:
TURN ($205) 6:club: Q:heart: 2:diamond: J:club:
RIVER ($205) 6:club: Q:heart: 2:diamond: J:club: J:diamond:
Hero shows A:club: K:club:
(Pre 76%, Flop 87.4%, Turn 34.1%)
BB shows J:spade: A:heart:
(Pre 24%, Flop 12.6%, Turn 65.9%)
BB wins $202,
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NL Holdem $1(BB) Replayer
SB ($19.50)
Hero ($200)
UTG ($101)
CO ($21.09)
BTN ($136)
Dealt to Hero J:club: J:heart:
fold, fold, BTN raises to $2.25, fold, Hero raises to $8.50, BTN raises to $18.25, Hero raises to $200 (AI), BTN calls $117 (AI)
FLOP ($272) 6:club: J:diamond: T:heart:
TURN ($272) 6:club: J:diamond: T:heart: Q:spade:
RIVER ($272) 6:club: J:diamond: T:heart: Q:spade: 9:heart:
BTN shows 8:heart: 8:spade:
(Pre 19%, Flop 3.3%, Turn 9.1%)
Hero shows J:club: J:heart:
(Pre 81%, Flop 96.7%, Turn 90.9%)
BTN wins $269,
NL Holdem $1(BB) Replayer
SB ($107)
BB ($114)
UTG ($21.71)
UTG+1 ($220)
Hero ($103)
BTN ($65.82)
Dealt to Hero K:diamond: K:club:
fold, UTG+1 raises to $3, Hero raises to $10.50, fold, fold, fold, UTG+1 raises to $25, Hero raises to $103 (AI), UTG+1 calls $78.08
FLOP ($207) 8:spade: J:heart: T:diamond:
TURN ($207) 8:spade: J:heart: T:diamond: 8:heart:
RIVER ($207) 8:spade: J:heart: T:diamond: 8:heart: 2:diamond:
UTG+1 shows T:heart: T:spade:
(Pre 19%, Flop 87.1%, Turn 95.5%)
Hero shows K:diamond: K:club:
(Pre 81%, Flop 12.9%, Turn 4.5%)
UTG+1 wins $204,
NL Holdem $1(BB) Replayer
Hero ($105)
BB ($177)
UTG ($104)
CO ($155)
BTN ($100)
Dealt to Hero J:diamond: J:heart:
fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $4, BB raises to $12, Hero raises to $26, BB raises to $52, Hero raises to $105 (AI), BB calls $53.95
FLOP ($211) 2:spade: T:club: 9:diamond:
TURN ($211) 2:spade: T:club: 9:diamond: A:diamond:
RIVER ($211) 2:spade: T:club: 9:diamond: A:diamond: 5:heart:
Hero shows J:diamond: J:heart:
(Pre 83%, Flop 14.0%, Turn 4.5%)
BB shows 2:diamond: 2:heart:
(Pre 17%, Flop 86.0%, Turn 95.5%)
BB wins $208
These are all regs btw, adjusting badly.
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Originally posted by zuutroy View Post3 bet is indeed poor and not something I'd normally be doing, even 100bb deep. Don't really know what I was at.Pm for rakeback deals
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Originally posted by ianmc38 View PostFolks need some help with Holdem manager. Been playing a wee bit recently and trying to get HM going again to look at stats. I want to set up a filter to see my bb/100 when i:
1. 3bet in position
2. 3bet out of position but not the blinds
3. 3bet from the blinds
4. Any 4bet
Cheers!Looking for full or part time poker and betting writers. PM if interested.
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Originally posted by ianmc38 View PostInterestingly, 75% of my profits come from 3 bet pots. Pretty crazy stat though i assume its just the small sample size."I can’t find anyone who agrees with what I write or think these days, so I guess I must be getting closer to the truth." - Hunter S. Thompson
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Originally posted by ianmc38 View PostBut thats assuming you win at the same ratio that you win single raised pots? Dont have a clue about poker maths myself, so go easy. hehe"I can’t find anyone who agrees with what I write or think these days, so I guess I must be getting closer to the truth." - Hunter S. Thompson
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Currently playing on party but getting raped with rake and shitty rakeback % im getting.
Thinking of switching to ipoker via William Hill @ 50% RB. Dont get deposit bonus though.
Has Ipoker got any juicier? played bout 2 years ago and was pretty full of regs.
Is there any bettter RB deals floating around?
Thanks
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Ok this should be BVB but feck it this happened about 20 hands into my first session of the new year at a level im not really comfortable with basically taking shots. It was pretty crushing at the time.
No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
BB ($42.46)
UTG ($139.65)
MP ($83.35)
Hero (CO) ($101.50)
Button ($168.83)
SB ($29)
Preflop: Hero is CO with A, K
2 folds, Hero bets $3, Button calls $3, 1 fold, BB calls $2
Flop: ($9.50) 4, 3, 5 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $5, Button raises $15, 1 fold, Hero calls $10
Turn: ($39.50) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $17, Hero raises $43, Button calls $26
River: ($125.50) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $40.50 (All-In), Button calls $40.50
Total pot: $206.50
Results:
Button had 7, 6 (straight flush, seven high).
Hero had A, K (flush, Ace high).
Outcome: Button won $203.50Pm for rakeback deals
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Originally posted by AndyFB View PostI'm fairly certain I plugged a huge leak today. First decent winning session in ages and all I did was stop one particular play. Great feeling.
2011 has continued as 2010 had ended for me.
Queue being about 12 levels below where I need to be. FUCKSUFDSKDGONBDASFLFGLKKNSD
Managed to run AA into quads twice in 4bet pots too! TT and 33, great calls pre for 25% of your stack lads.
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Originally posted by Emmet View Postwhy you C/R the turn???
If i flat call the turn what am i going to do on the river just shove or check and hope he bets i dont really like either.
Plus there is a lot of really bad cards that can fall for me on the river.
Id personally hate the idea of flatting the turn unless i felt the guy was 90% on a steal/spew or something like that. We had very few hands against each other for all he knew i was just a weekend fish in to dump him €100.Pm for rakeback deals
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Originally posted by tipp86 View PostWhat line do you take? Call turn & bet river or check river?
Also, for anyone playing on entraction / VC these days, just gave this a crack, and its phenomenally good!
i dont have codes in META-INF\\MANIFEST.MF, mb thats why my method worked for me.... MANIFEST.MF looks this way Manifest-Version: 1.0 Archiver-Version:
Lets you change the tables/chips/decks to much more user friendly things.
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Originally posted by Emmet View Post
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I love Entraction software.
In other news, my return at busto stakes has been a reasonably successful one:
I really have to say, for all the talk of how bad the games are, I thought the games were unbelievably soft (.25/.50 and .50/1 PLO).Looking for full or part time poker and betting writers. PM if interested.
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lol sample size!
Actually hang on...are you up 2.5k in 7k hands of 50 and 100 PLO...In that case lend me your freakin luck (skill?) box!
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Yup. Just running at 37bb/100, 700 above EV, but i don't believe in that EV shite, as it is IMO a terrible metric that gives people an excuse to whinge about when they're losing.
EG. Today i put 95% of a stack in with the nuts and a redraw and lost to a bare better flush draw. called off my last 4.50/100 on the river, but this will obv appear as just exact EV, where as the actual EV of it should reflect that I put in the majority of my stak with about 80% equity. And i will rarely if ever put my money in that bad and shove 4.50 on the river, so those situations never get made up for in reverse. Anyway thats probably a bad example, but i really think EV is a useless metric.Looking for full or part time poker and betting writers. PM if interested.
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Well its not useless but it certainly doesn't tell the whole story. I guess for PLO its a bit more skewed given the pot limit nature but in NLHE when you're getting it in, the street where it goes in will be often for 80% of your stack or more, so it holds a little more weight there. As I was saying to you on chat, the way poker EV used to do it was much better where they'd make a street by street calculation of the amount of money you put in vs your equity at the time. If you combined that with the functionality of the set-o-meter which showed you how you were fairing in the setup situations (AA vs KK, det vs overpair and set over set) then you'd be somewhere on the way to seeing how lucky or unlucky a stretch you are on in the big pots.
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Any quick tips?"I can’t find anyone who agrees with what I write or think these days, so I guess I must be getting closer to the truth." - Hunter S. Thompson
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dropped right back to £10nl to nurse my game but nothing working.
Didn't really know what to do here. I hate getting donked on in mtw pots.
IPoker Network $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter
BB: $10.45
UTG: $30.89
Hero (MP): $12.42
CO: $4.40
BTN: $10.00
SB: $7.79
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP with K K
UTG raises to $0.20, Hero raises to $0.75, 2 folds, SB calls $0.70, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.55
Flop: ($2.35) Q 6 8 (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $1.00, Hero calls $1, SB calls $1
Turn: ($5.35) Q (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $2.00, Hero calls $2, SB calls $2
River: ($11.35) 7 (3 players)
SB bets $4.04, UTG folds, Hero folds
Also, a bitch and a whine but I really am running like fucking shit, guy makes an inspired 4bet call earlier with QTo, obviously dominated by my AQ and gets there with the 4 flush. At this stage, I can call the card that's going to come and suck out on me. Its devastating.
SPOILER
Last edited by Emmet; 06-01-11, 04:11.
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Id prob 3bet more pre as they will call with pretty much the same range for 3x as 4x or maybe even 5x.
Id raise his flop donk too especially with teh SB behind me. Get HU with the obvious fish imo.This may or may not be an original thought of my own.
All efforts were made to make this thought original but with the abundance of thoughts in the world the originality of this thought cannot be guaranteed.
The author is not liable for any issue arising from the platitudinous nature of this post.
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Very quick one!!
One of the Stars $11 45 man turbo sng's - 7 paid with payouts starting at $22 and going up in 10 dollar increments til 3rd, think 1st is $154....
Anyway, 8 handed on bubble am 5/8 with 7800, blinds are 400/800 with ante.
The short stack pushed utg for 3600 as expected, utg+1 pushes all in for 8000. Folded to me in MP, absolute madness to fold AK here right???
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Originally posted by ghostface ste View PostOne of the Stars $11 45 man turbo sng's - 7 paid with payouts starting at $22 and going up in 10 dollar increments til 3rd, think 1st is $154....
Anyway, 8 handed on bubble am 5/8 with 7800, blinds are 400/800 with ante.
The short stack pushed utg for 3600 as expected, utg+1 pushes all in for 8000. Folded to me in MP, absolute madness to fold AK here right???
Edit : You can fold here and be no worse off stackwise even if the shortie manages to double thru.Last edited by DAMO72; 06-01-11, 14:38.
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Ok il state this was a first everyone think im crazy yes?
Villian is 18/0 and has never 3 or 4 bet over 600 hands. Im not really worried about button he is pretty aggro on button.
Ok here is the truth i timed out by accident i at least call here but does anyone think we can never be good against the BB ?
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (MP) ($50)
Button ($50)
SB ($13.90)
BB ($50.68)
UTG ($52.62)
Preflop: Hero is MP with K, K
UTG calls $0.50, Hero bets $2, Button raises $6.50, 2 folds, UTG raises $10.50, 2 folds
Total pot: $15.75
Results:
UTG didn't show
Outcome: UTG won $20.25Pm for rakeback deals
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Is there was such a thing as a limp reraise stat? Would be interesting to see it if there was. Id say thats probably as good a spot to fold KK as I have seen. To be honest Id rather fold than call, not sure if I rather shoving than folding though!! Just dont know if I can bring myself to doing it
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Just looked the guy up on PTR, for anyone who has a PTR account the way this guy plays his AA and KKs is just comic poker gold!!!! There was a hand were action was almost idential to tipps and he flatted KK in the same spot, so funny though when he ran into AA
His stats are over a 100k hand sample:
VP$IP
20.80%
Af:
1.91
CC:
15.08%
C-Bet:
78.26%
Pfr:
0.14%
Afq:
41.46%
3bet:
0.07%
4bet:
0.00%
WtSD:
28.97%
W$SD:
61.36%
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