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This post isn't about how I played the hand. I'm just in shock because of how the hand played out.
In a live $5 tourney, I have 4k with blinds of 100/200, and get pocket 9s in UTG+2.
UTG folds, person in UTG+1 shoves all in for 3k and I got the feeling from his play that it would likely be a small pp or a strongish ace.
So I snap shove over the top for the 4k, and only the SB calls out of the other players (has ~10k or so).
I have pocket 9s, SB has pocket 7s, UTG+1 has AQs.
Flop: 7 7 3, with the SB flopping quads.
However, the Turn: 9
River: 9
Runner runner quad 9s to beat flopped quad 7s.
I'm not trying to brag, it's just that I've never seen anything like this before and normally if something like this were to happen, I'd be the one with the pocket 7s.
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Thoughts on every street here? Villain is a 52/39 steamy lagtard fish
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.20 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
saw flop
UTG ($23.87)
MP ($34.89)
CO ($20)
Hero (Button) ($30.22)
SB ($20.28)
BB ($17.19)
Preflop: Hero is Button with A, 10
1 fold, MP bets $0.40, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.40, SB calls $0.30, 1 fold
Flop: ($1.40) Q, 7, 9 (3 players)
SB checks, MP bets $1.40, Hero raises $4.20, 1 fold, MP calls $2.80
Turn: ($9.80) J (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $4.90, MP calls $4.90
River: ($19.60) 2 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks
Total pot: $19.60
Main decisions I would like feedback on are the flop raise, the turn betsize and the river check.
Ty
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Originally posted by emmet02 View PostThoughts on every street here? Villain is a 52/39 steamy lagtard fish
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.20 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
saw flop
UTG ($23.87)
MP ($34.89)
CO ($20)
Hero (Button) ($30.22)
SB ($20.28)
BB ($17.19)
Preflop: Hero is Button with A, 10
1 fold, MP bets $0.40, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.40, SB calls $0.30, 1 fold
no probs here imho
Flop: ($1.40) Q, 7, 9 (3 players)
SB checks, MP bets $1.40, Hero raises $4.20, 1 fold, MP calls $2.80
Might have flatted here rather than build pot on a draw and waited for his turn action. If he has hit this at all hes calling and also reraising the con bet is standard almost with double suited flop and prob be called with overcards and pp's. What are you representing? Top pair?..what did you flat pre with then ..looks like str8 or flush draw to me imho
Turn: ($9.80) J (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $4.90, MP calls $4.90
This card hits some str8 draws and completes 2 pairs as well as possible trips ....would either check or stick in a pot bet and find out how willing villian is?..bet size looks weak imho again looks like a blocking bet to try and hit a draw..
River: ($19.60) 2 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks
villian has either played weak or dope on a rope with a big hand ..river cards doesnt affect texture of board and if he called to now hes gonna call the river ...donk shove maybe but prob best to check it down and hope your Ace is good ...
Total pot: $19.60
Main decisions I would like feedback on are the flop raise, the turn betsize and the river check.
I reckon he had Q 10 ....BTW
Ty
I am sober at the moment so my sense are a bit aschew
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Quick hand
IPoker, €2/€4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter
SB: €867
BB: €464.25
Hero (UTG): €613.20
MP: €682.55
CO: €400
BTN: €516.50
Pre-Flop: A Q dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero raises to €14, 2 folds, BTN calls €14, SB calls €12, BB calls €10
Flop: (€56) Q 9 5 (4 Players)
SB checks, BB bets €28, Hero raises to €70, 2 folds, BB calls €42
Turn: (€196) 2 (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero bets €144, BB calls €144
River: (€484) 5 (2 Players)
BB bets €144, Hero ...
Villain is the mark at the table and plays 49/5/1.0 He has released €200 of his chips to me so far and I have been iso raising him a bit, but not overly so.
Just a quick river decision. Do you guys just shove or call? He has like €95 left.
Actually comments on the whole hand appreciated. BTN and SB are two v nitty regs fwiw.Last edited by RoadSweeper; 01-09-10, 13:09.
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Originally posted by RoadSweeper View PostEmmet i think you played it fine. Maybe 5.20 on the turn as it looks alot bigger psychologically. I prob dont fire the river vs him either. Digiman might advocate it.
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Originally posted by RoadSweeper View PostQuick hand
IPoker, €2/€4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter
SB: €867
BB: €464.25
Hero (UTG): €613.20
MP: €682.55
CO: €400
BTN: €516.50
Pre-Flop: A Q dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero raises to €14, 2 folds, BTN calls €14, SB calls €12, BB calls €10
Flop: (€56) Q 9 5 (4 Players)
SB checks, BB bets €28, Hero raises to €70, 2 folds, BB calls €42
Turn: (€196) 2 (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero bets €144, BB calls €144
River: (€484) 5 (2 Players)
BB bets €144, Hero ...
Villain is the mark at the table and plays 49/5/1.0 He has released €200 of him chips to me so afr and I have been iso raising him a bit, but not overly so.
Just a quick river decision. Do you guys just shove or call? He has like €95 left.
Actually comments on the whole hand appreciated. BTN and SB are two v nitty regs fwiw.
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Originally posted by poppydogwins View Postwas just asking if any 1 could help me to what they think is the best site just on paddypowers like this but are they any other good ones thanks all"I can’t find anyone who agrees with what I write or think these days, so I guess I must be getting closer to the truth." - Hunter S. Thompson
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Ran hot this evening and took a quick shot at 100nl. I also got a bit fancy here. How's my line?
***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Full Tilt)
$100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, September 21, 05:17:38 ET 2010
Table Afterburner (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $316.40 USD ) - VPIP: 16, PFR: 16, 3B: 7, AF: Infinity, Hands: 80
Seat 2: Hero ( $100.50 USD )
Seat 3: Player3 ( $69.15 USD ) - VPIP: 22, PFR: 22, 3B: 0, AF: Infinity, Hands: 9
Seat 4: Player4 ( $270.70 USD ) - VPIP: 27, PFR: 15, 3B: 0, AF: 2.7, Hands: 33
Seat 5: Player5 ( $68.30 USD ) - VPIP: 25, PFR: 20, 3B: 25, AF: 0.0, Hands: 20
Seat 6: Player6 ( $43.00 USD ) - VPIP: 36, PFR: 8, 3B: 0, AF: Infinity, Hands: 25
Player4 posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
Player5 posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 8s 6s ]
Player6 folds
Player1 folds
Hero raises [$3.00 USD]
Player3 folds
Player4 calls [$2.50 USD]
Player5 folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ad, Jh, 9s ]
Player4 checks
Hero bets [$4.00 USD]
Player4 raises [$9.00 USD]
Hero calls [$5.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qc ]
Player4 bets [$12.00 USD]
Hero raises [$30.00 USD]"I can’t find anyone who agrees with what I write or think these days, so I guess I must be getting closer to the truth." - Hunter S. Thompson
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I floated for a few reasons. Firstly the raise looked really weak to me, second I figured there were a ton of good turn cards for me, and third I figured there were a lot of turn and river cards that would look scary to him. I thought I could push him off a lot of Aces with weak kickers, maybe even a hand like J9. I also thought he has nothing a lot here.
I'm still not sure about it, but it worked out. He folded."I can’t find anyone who agrees with what I write or think these days, so I guess I must be getting closer to the truth." - Hunter S. Thompson
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Originally posted by AndyFB View PostI floated for a few reasons. Firstly the raise looked really weak to me, second I figured there were a ton of good turn cards for me, and third I figured there were a lot of turn and river cards that would look scary to him. I thought I could push him off a lot of Aces with weak kickers, maybe even a hand like J9. I also thought he has nothing a lot here.
I'm still not sure about it, but it worked out. He folded."Don't overcomplicate a straight forward game with mathematical bullshit and dicussing different lines with your geeky friends" Chris Olaafson
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Def just give up on flop. Even your backdoor draws are to weak enough hands. Much better if you have As6s on KdJh9s
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Line check . Ive no reads. People happy to raise and get it in as the boards is so draw heavy?
$0.50/$1 No Limit Holdem
CakePoker
10 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG ($105.65)
Hero ($142.45)
CO ($100)
BTN ($25.50)
SB ($117.75)
BB ($87.20)
Pre-Flop: ($1.50, 10 players) Hero is UTG+1 :As: :Ac:
1 fold, Hero raises to $3.50, 2 folds, SB calls $3, 1 fold
Flop: :8s: :Th: :Js: ($8, 6 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $6, SB raises to $22, $16 to Hero ($132.95)?
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Originally posted by BlindLimper View PostWhats ur plan then or would you check the flop? Calling seems bad now or maybe im wrong."Don't overcomplicate a straight forward game with mathematical bullshit and dicussing different lines with your geeky friends" Chris Olaafson
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Fire river?
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
saw flop
MP ($18.50)
Button ($50)
Hero (SB) ($54.75)
BB ($38.07)
UTG ($69.84)
Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, 10
3 folds, Hero bets $0.75, BB calls $0.50
Flop: ($2) 6, J, K (2 players)
Hero bets $1, BB calls $1
Turn: ($4) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $2.50, BB calls $2.50
River: ($9) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks
Total pot: $9
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Originally posted by emmet02 View PostFire river?
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
saw flop
MP ($18.50)
Button ($50)
Hero (SB) ($54.75)
BB ($38.07)
UTG ($69.84)
Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, 10
3 folds, Hero bets $0.75, BB calls $0.50
Flop: ($2) 6, J, K (2 players)
Hero bets $1, BB calls $1
Turn: ($4) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $2.50, BB calls $2.50
River: ($9) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks
Total pot: $9
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Originally posted by emmet02 View PostFire river?
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
saw flop
MP ($18.50)
Button ($50)
Hero (SB) ($54.75)
BB ($38.07)
UTG ($69.84)
Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, 10
3 folds, Hero bets $0.75, BB calls $0.50
Flop: ($2) 6, J, K (2 players)
Hero bets $1, BB calls $1
Turn: ($4) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $2.50, BB calls $2.50
River: ($9) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks
Total pot: $9
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
saw flop
MP ($18.50)
Button ($50)
Hero (SB) ($54.75)
BB ($38.07)
UTG ($69.84)
Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, 10
3 folds, Hero bets $1.25, BB calls $1
Flop: ($3) 6, J, K (2 players)
Hero bets $2.5, BB calls $2.5
Turn: ($8) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $6.50, BB calls $6.50
River: ($21) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $17, BB folds..
EASY GAME
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Minraising from sb is brutal. Gives bb great odds to call and destroy you with position. I would fold close to 0% to a MR from the sb.
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Usual opens
UTG - 4x
MP - 3.5x
Co - 3x
BTN - 2x
SB - 2x
BB - x
Open minraising on the button has meant I can open with any cards when it is folded to me, players at 50nl simply fold their blinds, and wait for a chance to play back against me. By opening to 3.5x on the button, it makes it incredibly profitable for a BB to 3bet my opens, and means I can't steal so much.
I'm definitely all ears though to something different, this is just something I've been trying and feel is working recently. The SB open may well need to be pumped up tho
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Originally posted by emmet02 View PostUsual opens
By opening to 3.5x on the button, it makes it incredibly profitable for a BB to 3bet my opens, and means I can't steal so much.
If you open to 2x he's going to 3b to about 8bb to win 3.5.
Both need to work appox the same amount.
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Originally posted by zuutroy View PostIt doesn't really. If you open 3.5x he's going to be 3b to about 12 to win 5
If you open to 2x he's going to 3b to about 8bb to win 3.5.
Both need to work appox the same amount."In the world, there are many kings but there is only one God. I am God, I am El Tren" :{)
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Originally posted by Mike View PostYou shouldnt min raise the button either. Its your strongest and most profitable position.
I usually 3-3.5x it from the button. Maybe a little more if its a loose fish as they dont care about 1 more bb
I open button 2.5x and 3x from every other position.
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Originally posted by ShipIt View PostU open from the button lighter so I cant see why ur button open should be any bigger than any other position.
I open button 2.5x and 3x from every other position.
I usually 3.5-4x from utg and mp, 3-3.5x from co and button.
I thought 3.5-4 was standard from EP?
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First month back playing in around 3 months, gona play 25nl for this and next month and then move back up to 50nl.
Villian is playing 29/0 over 50 hands. Hasnt really shown any aggression in any pot.
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
BB ($25.10)
UTG ($30.09)
Hero (MP) ($51.05)
Button ($25)
SB ($28.18)
Preflop: Hero is MP with A, K
1 fold, Hero bets $0.75, 1 fold, SB calls $0.65, BB calls $0.50
Flop: ($2.25) Q, 4, J (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $1.50, SB calls $1.50, 1 fold
Turn: ($5.25) A (2 players)
SB bets $2.25, Hero calls $2.25
River: ($9.75) 4 (2 players)
SB checks
Is a bet/fold the right option on the river?
Lets say we bet $6 and he shoves, whats the worst hand you call with?
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b/f looks good. Give reads I prob would have a very narrow calling range for river shove. He shouldn't be doing it without a flush.
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Hypothetical question, say you didnt have rakeback on your full tilt account and you wanted to find some way to get it, what would be the best way of (hypothetically) getting another account with rakeback? Could you set one up with a different name and use a payment processor that you have never used before with the site (say moneybookers) which is still in your name to fund it?
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Originally posted by colquhom View PostHypothetical question, say you didnt have rakeback on your full tilt account and you wanted to find some way to get it, what would be the best way of (hypothetically) getting another account with rakeback? Could you set one up with a different name and use a payment processor that you have never used before with the site (say moneybookers) which is still in your name to fund it?
Also sign up to rakebackpros with your ftp user name.
Support will send your details to rbps who may requiring nudging to link your account.May you live in interesting times!
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Originally posted by colquhom View PostHypothetical question, say you didnt have rakeback on your full tilt account and you wanted to find some way to get it, what would be the best way of (hypothetically) getting another account with rakeback? Could you set one up with a different name and use a payment processor that you have never used before with the site (say moneybookers) which is still in your name to fund it?
He* had set up his own moneybookers, which had its own gmail address.
He* had absolutely no issues, however, I'm sure that was also due to the fact that neither of us played a huge amount of hands or at stakes above 50nl.
Issues could arise if you were to win any big tournament, or if you made large transactions which would come under the scope of fraud analysts etc...
I reckon if your brother is any use, you should recommend he opens an account...
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Originally posted by bp_me View PostEmail affiliates@fulltiltpoker.com with your request (it's not strictly their job but response time is far quicker than the generic CS account).
Also sign up to rakebackpros with your ftp user name.
Support will send your details to rbps who may requiring nudging to link your account.
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Originally posted by emmet02 View PostMy brother* opened an account through an affiliate after I had opened and played on my own account rakebackless for quite a while.
He* had set up his own moneybookers, which had its own gmail address.
He* had absolutely no issues, however, I'm sure that was also due to the fact that neither of us played a huge amount of hands or at stakes above 50nl.
Issues could arise if you were to win any big tournament, or if you made large transactions which would come under the scope of fraud analysts etc...
I reckon if your brother is any use, you should recommend he opens an account...
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Originally posted by colquhom View PostThey wont do it , because when i had signed up i had a 600 dollar bonus yoke which apparently invalidates me from rb
If number one you should be able to get rb when the bonus clears. If option number two do as emmet says and recommend your brother () play on the site.May you live in interesting times!
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Originally posted by colquhom View PostYe, my sister was thinking about it but then decided against it because if she was to open a moneybookers that could be traced to poker it could affect her credit rating. What are your thoughts on this?
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Originally posted by bp_me View PostYou mean you had your initial deposit bonus still running or you mean you used a different affiliate code when you signed up.
If number one you should be able to get rb when the bonus clears. If option number two do as emmet says and recommend your brother () play on the site.
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Originally posted by emmet02 View PostMy brother didn't need to provide anything to open a moneybookers. I transferred seed money via moneybookers to his account, and that way he never had to put any bank, laser, cc details etc onto his account...
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Originally posted by colquhom View PostDid he not have to verify it by it putting a code onto his online banking or something?
He transferred any withdrawals to my moneybookers and I withdrew them on his behalf...
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Originally posted by emmet02 View Postnope, not a thing... I think if the account is only used for moneybookers transactions it didn't need any external checks.
He transferred any withdrawals to my moneybookers and I withdrew them on his behalf...
Nice one
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is this a call?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 33 Tournament, 25/50 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
BB (t2745)
UTG (t2950)
UTG+1 (t3000)
MP1 (t9318)
Hero (MP2) (t1377)
MP3 (t2675)
CO (t2230)
Button (t4085)
SB (t3635)
Hero's M: 18.36
Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q, Q
3 folds, Hero bets t150, MP3 calls t150, 3 folds, BB calls t100
Flop: (t475) A, 10, 3 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t300, MP3 raises to t900, BB raises to t2595 (All-In)
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Originally posted by Bubbleking View Postsorry didnt see that - i prob c/f the flop or bet less even.
meh i still fold now id rather the money went in when im not nearly drawing deadOriginally posted by emmet02 View Postone of them has an Ace, the other has either an ace or a flush draw or both.
You are pretty much dead in the water here, let it go.
Fwiw, I wouldn't even C-bet here
i folded btw. the other guy called. one player had Kh6h, the other 4h5h
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