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Originally posted by tylerdurden94 View PostCliffs on all of this what are you trying to say?
Government should NEVER have this power.
Consider how you might vote if the proposed wording for the referendum isn't changed to allow for an independent body to set wages.You are technically correct...the best kind of correct
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Just noticed there that there were 62 members currently active even though it didn't look like it from the list of names so I counted them and there were 31 which means 31 are hidden. I'm one of those, did it for the werewolf thing but I'm surprised there are so many.'Mental Toughness is doing the right thing for the team when it's not the best thing for you' - Bill Belichick
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Originally posted by tylerdurden94 View PostCliffs on all of this what are you trying to say?
And yes, I put 'independent' in quotation marks as I have questions about who exactly would staff such a body.Is that how you crash a wedding? yes it is, Bionic Barry, yes it is.
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Originally posted by zuutroy View PostHot damn!
Originally posted by dannydiamond View PostYou're on fire tonight Danny, keep them coming.
Originally posted by Kayroo View PostShatter wants to have the power to reduce judges' wages.
Government should NEVER have this power.
Consider how you might vote if the proposed wording for the referendum isn't changed to allow for an independent body to set wages.
Should also say I don't really care in general about a judges wages."you raise, i kill you" El Tren :{)
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Originally posted by ArmaniJeans View Post"I voted No by mistake, and hope that it can be rectified in September."
WP love, WP. Fingers crossed that Norris will have given up or got his 4 councils by then eh?
Her name was Hildegard Naughton I think, should be running a 50000 acre estate somewhere surely.
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Originally posted by eagle eye View PostJust noticed there that there were 62 members currently active even though it didn't look like it from the list of names so I counted them and there were 31 which means 31 are hidden. I'm one of those, did it for the werewolf thing but I'm surprised there are so many.
Being hidden is a trick I learned years ago as a mod so that if there was something I couldn't be arsed dealing with, no one would know I was online.
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Originally posted by Zod View PostLet an 'independent' body set judges pay rates, not the government.
And yes, I put 'independent' in quotation marks as I have questions about who exactly would staff such a body.Originally posted by Zod View Postif the judiciary get a rise, who determines when and how much they would get currently?
The Government can increase them by Act of the Oireachtas only. It's not wholly comparable to say "well if they can raise them why can't they lower them?" although I accept the general point.
Really it's about keeping government control over the judiciary to an absolute minimum and particularly control over their personal emolument. He who holds the purse strings calls the tune after all. The threat of reduced wages should never be in the Governments control. It doesn't matter if they'd never do anything with the power, it matters that they could.You are technically correct...the best kind of correct
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without trying to be too much of a capitalist pig.
Not a chance
red tape, bureaucracy, nepotism, old boys club etc etc I'm afraid.
Country is set to be brought to its knees, we need to find every penny we can in savings, and if that means taking from people who've worked hard, then that's unfortunate, but the flipside is not really being a country at all.
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Originally posted by Kayroo View PostYeah the nature of the independent body would be important.
The Government can increase them by Act of the Oireachtas only. It's not wholly comparable to say "well if they can raise them why can't they lower them?" although I accept the general point.
Really it's about keeping government control over the judiciary to an absolute minimum and particularly control over their personal emolument. He who holds the purse strings calls the tune after all. The threat of reduced wages should never be in the Governments control. It doesn't matter if they'd never do anything with the power, it matters that they could.
haddock manifesto"We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Originally posted by Strewelpeter View PostHow many judges is that have refused to accept voluntary pay cuts in line with cuts across the Public Service?You are technically correct...the best kind of correct
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Originally posted by Strewelpeter View PostHow many judges is that have refused to accept voluntary pay cuts in line with cuts across the Public Service?
I read 15 somewhere, will try find it.
This is the best I could find
Judge Pattwell said he was not taking a stand against the proposed pay cut, nor did he know of any colleague that would. He said to his knowledge more than 90 per cent of judges voted in support of taking a voluntary pay cut of 10 per cent.Last edited by Teddie; 11-07-11, 21:28.
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Originally posted by Denny Crane View PostIt was about 70%-80% that accepted it I think.
Judicial independence is a pretty fundamental part of a functioning society, putting that at risk under the guise of saving a few pound (which it wont as the referendum will probably cost more than any saving) is a mistake."We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Originally posted by Zod View Postwhy can't the judiciary take a voluntary 10% pay cut and take the wind out of Shatter's sails?
Lastly the judges aren't supposed to organize themselves, it interferes with judicial independence which, despite all the guff they get in the media, they take very seriously. Really they have their hands tied by their positions and Shatter is getting a free run at them.You are technically correct...the best kind of correct
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Originally posted by digiman View Post
The Argies are actually going to put out a proper team tonight - DiMaria on the left, Messi on the right, with Kun and Higuain up front. Reckon that should be enough to see them through but I'm not putting a red cent on them until I see them playing properly.
Have backed the under 2.5 goals and also a wincast for 1-0 to Costa Rica with Campbell the scorer just cause its 325-1 and the world owes me it p
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Originally posted by Kayroo View PostNo idea but the vast vast majority of them have taken it.
I don't like having any more political influence on Judges than there already is but in this extraordinary time the Judges have let the whole country down by not being able to act decisively as a unit and reinforcing the popular belief that they are self serving and utterly isolated from reality.
Now they can GTFO and it serves them right.
And as for the eejit who knocked two years off that McGinley the C Case and OAP Rapists sentence today ... WTF?Turning millions into thousands
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Originally posted by Strewelpeter View PostI think I see the fundamental problem with your position.
I don't like having any more political influence on Judges than there already is but in this extraordinary time the Judges have let the whole country down by not being able to act decisively as a unit and reinforcing the popular belief that they are self serving and utterly isolated from reality.
Now they can GTFO and it serves them right.
And as for the eejit who knocked two years off that McGinley the C Case and OAP Rapists sentence today ... WTF?"We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Originally posted by Kayroo View PostThey generally take a pretty large pay cut to become a judge. Then they almost all recently took another pay cut voluntarily on top of that. Besides that they're not really ill disposed to the referendum as long as the government cannot control the reductions or increases.
Lastly the judges aren't supposed to organize themselves, it interferes with judicial independence which, despite all the guff they get in the media, they take very seriously. Really they have their hands tied by their positions and Shatter is getting a free run at them.
And again the problem there is the Almost. Not being allowed to organise doees make it a diofficult situatyion foor them though.Turning millions into thousands
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Originally posted by Strewelpeter View PostI don't believe that that is 'generally' true. It at least fails to takes into account the working hours and pension arrangements.
Kayroo, for all his intelligence, is proving the accuracy of that"We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Originally posted by zuutroy View PostI'm afraid not. All they seemed to have was cups!
Originally posted by 5starpool View PostOut of the 62 members on just there, I counted 29 hidden (with a * beside their name as I see it, not invisible to admins, not sure about mods).
Being hidden is a trick I learned years ago as a mod so that if there was something I couldn't be arsed dealing with, no one would know I was online."you raise, i kill you" El Tren :{)
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Click the like button please
BBV HELP PLEASE!!!
Hey all,
I didn't realise until a minute ago that my mother has a FB page for her Holisitic clinic in Naas and she was just asking how she could get people to 'like' it. Obv I told her I would see what I could and thought of here first!
So if you could follow the link and like the page that would be great:
Thanks in advance.
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"you raise, i kill you" El Tren :{)
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Originally posted by Caf View PostBBV HELP PLEASE!!!
Hey all,
I didn't realise until a minute ago that my mother has a FB page for her Holisitic clinic in Naas and she was just asking how she could get people to 'like' it. Obv I told her I would see what I could and thought of here first!
So if you could follow the link and like the page that would be great:
Thanks in advance.
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Finally some equilibrium has been restored. Really felt unwell the last few days when I generally was on the side of Strewelly with regard to dress codes.
Thanks for posting the text from the courts.ie Kayroo. Heard a discussion about it on radio1 around teatime, and at no stage was it mentioned
The issue here is not whether judges’ pay should be reduced, but rather how that reduction should be achievedLast edited by ComradeCollie; 11-07-11, 21:55.Gone full 'Glinner' since June 2022.
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Originally posted by Strewelpeter View PostI think I see the fundamental problem with your position.
I don't like having any more political influence on Judges than there already is but in this extraordinary time the Judges have let the whole country down by not being able to act decisively as a unit and reinforcing the popular belief that they are self serving and utterly isolated from reality.
Now they can GTFO and it serves them right.
And as for the eejit who knocked two years off that McGinley the C Case and OAP Rapists sentence today ... WTF?'Mental Toughness is doing the right thing for the team when it's not the best thing for you' - Bill Belichick
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Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View PostKayroo, for all his intelligence, is proving the accuracy of that
Strewel, I know you don't believe the wage cut argument but it is true and some judges may or may not have helped the others but you need to forget the individuals and look to the principle of the thing. It's not about this specific set of judges, it's about the way our society works and the control on executive power that the courts provide for us.You are technically correct...the best kind of correct
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How many of these tribunals are still going? Are there any? These should all be shut down imo. They were always a pure waste of taxpayer's money, now they are just a waste of IMF repayment money.'Mental Toughness is doing the right thing for the team when it's not the best thing for you' - Bill Belichick
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Originally posted by Kayroo View PostI do realise how fucked we really are RDIII, I really do. I just believe in the separation of powers and the vital independence of the judiciary. Reduce their wages sure but the government cannot be allowed to control that.
reduce their wages to the median judges salary across a basket of equivalent countries. Maybe Greece, Portugal, Argentina and Romania. Job done."We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Originally posted by eagle eye View PostWtf? I haven't followed that case, how long did he get? Was sure he was getting life for that, if he didn't and it sounds like it then there is something dreadfully wrong with the sentencing laws in this country.Turning millions into thousands
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Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Postmeh, let's bring in some management consultants instead
reduce their wages to the median judges salary across a basket of equivalent countries. Maybe Greece, Portugal, Argentina and Romania. Job done.You are technically correct...the best kind of correct
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have any of the proposed judicial pay cuts included pension contributions and expenses?
If after "massive pay drops" to become judges mean you're earning 145k just as a district court judge, High level barristers must be grossly overpaid.
then again, the legal system in Ireland is far more protectionist than any union, so the salary levels aren't that suprising after all.Is that how you crash a wedding? yes it is, Bionic Barry, yes it is.
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Originally posted by Kayroo View PostThese aren't equivalent countries for a host of reasons. New Zealand, South Africa are more like it but the principle isn't bad.Is that how you crash a wedding? yes it is, Bionic Barry, yes it is.
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Originally posted by Kayroo View PostThese aren't equivalent countries for a host of reasons. New Zealand, South Africa are more like it but the principle isn't bad.
we wish we were like SA or NZ"We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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my boyles was full screen last few days and i thought my monitor settings were all messed up because it made all otehr programmes zoom big too.
I didnt have a clue what was wrong with stupid ipoker software and reinstalled twice.
Turns out theres an option in lobby to enable full screen!must have misclicked it a few days back!
bit retarded again by ipoker because it goes whole full screen and hides the taskbar and all. and you cant move back to lobby when you open a table, its a totally stupid option.
Fixed anyway
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FFS! Caf if I like on that Holistic shite how long do I have to leave it up for?
it will destroy my credibility completely. I'll send some dumb teenagers your way instead.
Is there anything on Facebook other than spam these Days?
Google plus is fantastic why aren't all the ipb people using it?Turning millions into thousands
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Originally posted by Strewelpeter View PostFFS! Caf if I like on that Holistic shite how long do I have to leave it up for?
it will destroy my credibility completely. I'll send some dumb teenagers your way instead.
Is there anything on Facebook other than spam these Days?
Google plus is fantastic why aren't all the ipb people using it?
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Originally posted by Zod View Posthave any of the proposed judicial pay cuts included pension contributions and expenses?
If after "massive pay drops" to become judges mean you're earning 145k just as a district court judge, High level barristers must be grossly overpaid.
then again, the legal system in Ireland is far more protectionist than any union, so the salary levels aren't that suprising after all.
I have to reiterate again I am only referring to high and supreme court judges. I'm making no comment about any other court.You are technically correct...the best kind of correct
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Originally posted by DAMO72 View PostI am just polishing my bottles before filling them at the texaco in the morning .
See ya there
we'll go for scoops in The Church pub after (appropriately enough)"We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Originally posted by Kayroo View PostI know I have a vested interest so I won't get too into this but the protectionist comment really hits it home to me how little most people understand about what Barristers do.
I have to reiterate again I am only referring to high and supreme court judges. I'm making no comment about any other court.
the whole sole trader thing is nutty on every level"We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Postyou do have the most ridiculous set-up for the 20th century, let alone the 21st though
the whole sole trader thing is nutty on every levelYou are technically correct...the best kind of correct
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