Bad beat/Moan/Venting Thread - BBV Archive 1

[rounders123]

Can anyone recommend anything good on tv tonight?

The General 10pm TV3

[Closed_Account]

Wow. That was immense. Whatever defensive fkinks Germany have to iron out they play some sweet football. Love the way Muller celebrates his goals,like a young fella leaping around in the field. He is a charismatic mofo to boot.Swoooon!
Genuinly think thats a huge weakness with the English team-they seem utterly detached from reality-pampered loons living in some demented money ridden world. Ze Germans and other nations,at least seem more grounded in the real world.

Now. Messi time. More swoon. Love. Football.

[Guest]

LOL at Irish fans saying anything about England keeping it classy after the French debacle.

We don't tend to boo national anthems though!

Im off football until we get the video ref. Until then its baseball all the way.

Perfect game mess up ring a bell?

[Starvin Marvin]

Before I draw a close to this sorry episode,i'll just highlight that bringing on Heskey when we were indesperate need for goals and Crouch itching for a look in, no matter how desperate the situation pretty much sums it all up.

Utterly ridiculous.

That was the final straw.

Crouch's scoring record for England is top drawer, for him not to get a kick and have Heskey in the country is a shambles.

Think Fabio was levelling England in the qualifiers just to purposely wreck their hopes and dreams in the World Cup, not sure what his evil motives are for this yet though.

Im buying into the whole English players need some foreigners in their team to help them or else they are just shit. They disappoint every time when on paper they should be realistic challengers.

Upson, Johnson and Heskey arent up to that level.

Rooney was the worst player on the pitch in all 4 games for whatever reason, Lampard and Gerrard dont deliver for their country time and time again.

I actually think we have better prospects for Euro 2012 than you do at this stage.

[LuckyLloyd]

I will be aftertiming about an English victory in a few hours.

[dannydiamond]

I won a free bet on Messi for top scorer in a bounty tournie on Boyles,feel a little aggrieved he hasn't at least 3 in the bag already(he could have had 5 by now), but haven't given up hope,he's one guy that could bag 4 in a game.

Messi 6 - 0 Mexico, will do nicely!

[dannydiamond]

Crouch's scoring record for England is top drawer, for him not to get a kick and have Heskey in the country is a shambles.

Think Fabio was levelling England in the qualifiers just to purposely wreck their hopes and dreams in the World Cup, not sure what his evil motives are for this yet though.

. They disappoint every time when on paper they should be realistic challengers.

I actually think we have better prospects for Euro 2012 than you do at this stage.

Yep.

Interesting.

Yep.

Can't argue with that!

[dannydiamond]

Can anyone recommend anything good on tv tonight?

Highlights of England V Germany, ITV1 10:35.

My moneys on Germany 4-1. They have some really pacey players that could tear Englands defence apart.

Capello doesn't seem to have a balanced team and my guess is that the italian will leave his most prolific goalscorers on the bench when England go behind.

Lol England.

[The C Kid]

Exact same problem as Italy. Capello convincing Scholes to play would have been massive, just like Italy missed Pirlo, Scholes is about the only English player that can control a game with simple passes.

Do Come in Mr Huddlestone, we have missed you.

[eagle eye]

Capellol

Capelo smilie B<) or today B<(

[Teddie]

Im buying into the whole English players need some foreigners in their team to help them or else they are just shit. They disappoint every time when on paper they should be realistic challengers.

Upson, Johnson and Heskey arent up to that level.

Rooney was the worst player on the pitch in all 4 games for whatever reason, Lampard and Gerrard dont deliver for their country time and time again.

England need defensive midfielders simple as that. Every other department they are fine in.

[The C Kid]

Capellol

DownSon (upson!)

Lamptard

Muellered

[LuckyLloyd]

Just a couple of tiny bits of food for thought:

- England strolled their qualifying group. So people have to think about what (if anything) changed since last November?;

- Last November you looked at the English team and their center back pairing / left back and said "that might be the strongest defense of any team in the World Cup". Then Ferdinand got crocked repeatedly; there was the whole Terry saga; Ashley Cole had his run in to the tournament also disrupted. As such, a key strength to their team became a problem area;

- Heskey was a genuine contributer to the qualifying campaign, but went completely off the boil between November and the end of the season - enduring some of his worst form ever at club level. Gerrard's season got worse and worse and worse. Rooney got an inhibiting injury towards season's end also;


I'm not saying that England as they were last November should have been favourites for the WC of course. But the above certainly begins to point towards why there was such a disparity between what was expected of them (hype) and what they were actually capable of in the tournament (reality).

The lads in RTE got it spot on. The disallowed goal WAS horrendous. But when you assess the overall flow of the 90 minutes and tournament as a whole thus far, the end scoreline was a fair reflection of the respective abilities of the two teams.

I think there are fundamental problems with the type of footballers representing England that leaves Capello (or anyone) with their work cut out. The default setting for these guys at club level is to play a certain type of game, in a certain set up that is very different to what is required to win an International tournament.

Gerrard, Terry, Ferdinand, Lampard, James and Cole are guys that started today who will be on a downward trajectory in their careers in two years time; and significantly disimproved in four. But they weren't good enough. Different players, of a different disposition are required.

[eagle eye]

Do Come in Mr Huddlestone, we have missed you.

Huddlestone is very slow, he can only work if you are playing to defensive mids like Tottenham do.

[Starvin Marvin]

England need defensive midfielders simple as that. Every other department they are fine in.

Yeah forgot Barry, he is also out of his depth.

But the midfield and strikers didnt fire either.

Rooney, Heskey, Lampard, Gerrard and Lennon were all terribad, far from fine.
On paper not too bad, in practice a load of shit.

[eagle eye]

Yeah forgot Barry, he is also out of his depth.

But the midfield and strikers didnt fire either.

Rooney, Heskey, Lampard, Gerrard and Lennon were all terribad, far from fine.
On paper not too bad, in practice a load of shit.

Lampard played well today.

[Starvin Marvin]

Lampard played well today.

Did ok today, im talking about the tournament as a whole.
Compared to his contributions for Chelsea the same player doesnt turn up for England.

[LuckyLloyd]

Did ok today, im talking about the tournament as a whole.
Compared to his contributions for Chelsea the same player doesnt turn up for England.

Well of course not! At Chelsea he plays in a balanced midfield, on a team with a lethal first target, and the players to provide great fluidity and diversity of options around him going forward. They also have a rock solid back four, and very good goalkeeper.

Could you honestly say any of that about the England 11 that lost today?

[Teddie]

Yeah forgot Barry, he is also out of his depth.

But the midfield and strikers didnt fire either.

Rooney, Heskey, Lampard, Gerrard and Lennon were all terribad, far from fine.
On paper not too bad, in practice a load of shit.

As LL pointed out out at their respective clubs they have a balanced team. Rooney injury was huge blow, like Torres for Spain you can't just come back to form after an injury straight away. If Spain played a 4-4-2 with Alonso and Xavi in the centre midfield they would have no chance of winning the WC. The problem for england is they don't even have a defensive mid who is close to good enough. Barry is fine but again he simply isn't a defensive midfielder.

[Emmet]

Man this game has started so well. Great football.

South American teams > Rest of the World and its not even close

[gorrrr72]

Man this game has started so well. Great football.

South American teams > Rest of the World and its not even close

+1
Great start

[Bubbleking]

Bubbleking just collapsed I reckon

I have serious <3 for Meath right now. Really great performance havnt seen the likes of that in the last 10 years. Felt sorry for the Dubs at the end because the width of the post was the difference between a close game and a thumping

[Starvin Marvin]

Well of course not! At Chelsea he plays in a balanced midfield, on a team with a lethal first target, and the players to provide great fluidity and diversity of options around him going forward. They also have a rock solid back four, and very good goalkeeper.

Could you honestly say any of that about the England 11 that lost today?

Yeah well he will look better in one of the best sides in the world as opposed to a team with bad tactics and some bad players but i still think hes never performed for England as well as he might have been expected to.

As LL pointed out out at their respective clubs they have a balanced team. Rooney injury was huge blow, like Torres for Spain you can't just come back to form after an injury straight away. If Spain played a 4-4-2 with Alonso and Xavi in the centre midfield they would have no chance of winning the WC. The problem for england is they don't even have a defensive mid who is close to good enough. Barry is fine but again he simply isn't a defensive midfielder.

I just dont think they are technically sound enough to put a deep run in a World Cup if Rooney was fit or not.

Do you think with the right formation they could have been contenders in this World Cup??

[LuckyLloyd]

South American teams > Rest of the World and its not even close

Mexico from Central America are playing pretty well too I think.

[gorrrr72]

Mexico from Central America are playing pretty well too I think.

Latin America FTW

Great when 2 LAGS play each other....loads of action.

[Wolves]

Miles offside

[6starpool]

A mile offside for that one.

wow, what a clusterfuck of a situation.

lol FIFA

[Starvin Marvin]

Blatter should be extra proud of himself today.

[LuckyLloyd]

Today is brilliant. These poxy decisions in massive WC games should seal the move to technology and a challenge system. England and Mexico will make a lot more noise than the FAI are capable of making.

[Teddie]

Yeah well he will look better in one of the best sides in the world as opposed to a team with bad tactics and some bad players but i still think hes never performed for England as well as he might have been expected to.





I just dont think they are technically sound enough to put a deep run in a World Cup if Rooney was fit or not.

Do you think with the right formation they could have been contenders in this World Cup??

With better and formation they'd have performed a lot better and could have gone far if they got a Uruguay type of draw.

[Guest]

A mile offside for that one.

wow, what a clusterfuck of a situation.

lol FIFA

FIFA really are about as moronic an organization as it is possible to have without the hand of Bertie Ahern being involved

Not allowing tv replays for decisions but allowing them in the ground so the players, officials and fans can see a fuckup has happened

idiotic!


btw what is bertie at these days

*
feel really sorry for Mexico, a really good game has been ruined but now hope they fall apart and Higuain picks up a couple more goals

SPOILER

on him at 20/1 for top scorer, its in WC thread so not an aftertime

[rounders123]

3rd eye. lol at Heinze lashing his head off the camera in the 2nd goal celebrations!.

[Moneymaker]

And there's my top scorer bet looking even better now.

Higuain, at 16/1 before the WC. 4 goals now. Ship it.

[Valor]

Watching this game with an Argentine is lol, every decision shouting at the screen "por dios" or asking "donde esta mi mess!?!"

anytime Argentina have an attack hands flying in the air screaming Vamos

Anytime a Mexican makes a foul "la puta que te pario" - the whore that gave birth to you

[gorrrr72]

Watching this game with an Argentine is lol, every decision shouting at the screen "por dios" or asking "donde esta mi mess!?!"

anytime Argentina have an attack hands flying in the air screaming Vamos

Anytime a Mexican makes a foul "la puta que te pario" - the whore that gave birth to you

might make that my new sig

[Lord Sir Banter]

"la puta que te pario"

"yore ma"

[kakak1]

ENGLAND HAVE A NEW COACH.


It's picking them up at Heathrow in the morning.

[rounders123]

I didnt think whores gave birth. If anything it was very kind hearted and unselfish of her to give birth to him if she was a whore.

[Valor]

ALso,

That goal was not offside, just in case you guys were confused. I told her it was offside but I dont know anything about football because I'm Irish

The Mexicans are just conchudos for complaining, trying to cheat

She knows about football because shes argentine and she watches the World Cup every four years

[ionapaul]

Part I of my Vegas trip report is HERE

As always, when I open the floodgates I write too much!

What a day of sport, awesome so far.

[oleras]

Skin and bone second half if the row at halftime is anything to go by, looked like the ref was going to get lynched i can understand the frustration but the Argies are sooo much better atm.

[FeetMagic]

And there's my top scorer bet looking even better now.

Higuain, at 16/1 before the WC. 4 goals now. Ship it.

Got him at 28/1! Villa is still a major contender with 3 goals and a game in hand, Higuain should also have 5; great chance before the break.

[aodea]

ARGENTINA!!!!!!!!!

mexico deserve there fate they should never be thier own country anyway part of the United states if you ask me, USA having two teams in the world cup is a disgrace. Diego rocks him and his mates look like thugs.

Second half should be mighty.

[Moneymaker]

Got him at 28/1! Villa is still a major contender with 3 goals and a game in hand, Higuain should also have 5; great chance before the break.

Jaysus, nice.

It's between Villa, Muller and Higuain alright. Depends what team goes the furthest.

[one ill cat]

Highlights of England V Germany, ITV1 10:35.

My moneys on Germany 4-1. They have some really pacey players that could tear Englands defence apart.

Capello doesn't seem to have a balanced team and my guess is that the italian will leave his most prolific goalscorers on the bench when England go behind.

Lol England.

I watched the game live, not sure I could force myself to watch the highlights!

Unlike 99% of Belfast (where I'm from), I like to see England doing well at international level. I support United, so it would be imo hypocritical to support the likes of Rooney only some of the time.

I think (like everyone else) the manager got it wrong big time.
- I agree with Oscar in that Scholes would have been a valuable experienced midfielder who will give 100% every match.
- As much as Lampard seems to deliever consistently for Chelsea, he seems to be a constant let down for England, would deffo like to see the team without him, even for a trial period.
- I think Gerrard should stay, just don't stick him on the left, he has one of the best finishing touches in the game, use it.
- Rooney is the best striker in the premiership imo, but he's better when permitted to drop deep imo, so stick an out & out striker up there with him and let him drop back to run the defence ragged. Crouch would have been the best partnership for him I think.
- Barry is worthy of a spot, would keep him, don't think there's a better alternative out there either.
- I think Johnson played well (relative to the team performance), although imo Upson is a no no. He's simpy out of his depth as I see it.
- Ashley Cole was the best defender for them (from what I see), albeit not as sharp as we're used to seeing every weekend.
- Terry was woeful imo, he seems to have lost focus or something & from what I could see managed to lose sight of the opposition repeatedly which usually result in another conceeded goal.
- Keepers - James/Green - whatever, if the defence actually do their job, the keeper isn't under as much pressure & either are good enough imo.

[eagle eye]

Just listening to Lampard there. He said 'there are players who will carry on', wondering if thats a suggestion he is retiring from International football?

I wouldn't blame him, he got lots of stick from England fans since he became a starter.

[eagle eye]

Jaysus, nice.

It's between Villa, Muller and Higuain alright. Depends what team goes the furthest.

Don't rule out Messi yet, he could score four in the second half here, capable of anything.

[Wolves]

Jaysus, nice.

It's between Villa, Muller and Higuain alright. Depends what team goes the furthest.

Don't count out Fabiano yet either.

[gorrrr72]

I didnt think whores gave birth. If anything it was very kind hearted and unselfish of her to give birth to him if she was a whore.

Maybe she became a whore after the birth to pay the bills etc.

[KevIRL]

or Tevez....wow

[oleras]

Goal of the tournament so far imo...wow

[Bless You]

Simply stunning goal.

[gorrrr72]

Wow...nearly tore a hole in the net.

[Valor]

The commentators say that the goalkeepr looked like he would be tough after Tevez's goal

"PArejo tu abuela.." tough your grandmother, haha

3-0, ya esta chabon, relax now

[Jackyback]

What an epic day,

Ship the PB half marathon by a good 10 minutes in Enniscorthy this morning, time to plan for a sub 3.30 in Dublin

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/38381067

Ship the England lay for a cool 1k

Ship Cape Blanco (slight aftertime) to pay for all the food & drink in the pub today

Variance
Dublin are shit
I lost €50 out of my pocket which considering the day i had you think would not annoy me but for some reason it does

[KevIRL]

[KevIRL]

[Flushdraw]

Take a bow son....take a bow...

[Bless You]

Ha, he gives the camera some puck after doesn't he?

[KevIRL]

Argentina v Germany has the potential to be a fantastic game.