Bad beat/Moan/Venting Thread - BBV Archive 1

[Teddie]

Also, the first ever NBA game I watched was game 1 last week, very good. Game 2 was class, that little lad with the head band was excellent. Lets got Celtics imo.

[Hornswaggl]

on the final table of the 4k on ipoker

[Opr]

Anyone got a good link for the NBA one I have is rubbish ?

Opr

[eagle eye]

Also, the first ever NBA game I watched was game 1 last week, very good. Game 2 was class, that little lad with the head band was excellent. Lets got Celtics imo.

That would be Rajon Rondo the new King of Boston!

[FeetMagic]

on the final table of the 4k on ipoker

Glglglgl

[Lafortezza]

Anyone got a good link for the NBA one I have is rubbish ?

Opr

http://www.atdhe.net/ a couple there, don't seem to be amazing quality though. I think it's on ESPN on NTL if you have it.

[Opr]

http://www.atdhe.net/ a couple there, don't seem to be amazing quality though. I think it's on ESPN on NTL if you have it.

Cheers found a decent stream.

Opr

[ionapaul]

Yay, FT on two tournies on Stars right now..could be a good night One is a sat with a flat prize but I'm in for $8 and the seat value is $108 so pretty sweet!

Sweet - took down the 1st for a $109 seat after only investing $8.40 and a few hours later this...



It's been a good night grinding! I'm obviously on a retirement heater!

[a-k-47]

old school stars skin

[Hornswaggl]

6th pushed with aq suited run into ak bah

[Denny Crane]

hmm, regretting going green

[Opr]

hmm, regretting going green

What price were the Lakers pre-game ?

Opr

[Denny Crane]

2.36 or so

[AndyFatBastard]

Brag: I now have 30 buyins for 50/1. Moving on up!

[Hitchhiker's Guide To...]

...

[Trippie]

spent the day at six flags in texas. god id love a theme park in ireland.

and delighted to see benitez confirmed.Milan getting Allegri as new guy in charge will narrow the gap between us. Hopefully we can win something now

[Opr]

These Inception trailers are driving me mad, I will have seen the whole film if they keep this up.

Still see a way back for the Celtic's.

Opr

[RoadSweeper]

Brag: I now have 30 buyins for 50/1. Moving on up!

Insta Cursed

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC75aU47GRk"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC75aU47GRk[/ame]


WD on move up!

[Guest]

Just spotted 2 guys appaering to soft play ina sng in i poker so checked there head to head on sharkscope
one guy has played 341 games 334 in same games as his mate obv collusion here whats best way to report it to the powers that be at ipoker not playing in an irish skin at present any sugguestions.?

[Denny Crane]

sick

[Opr]

Kobe coming up with the huge 3 was massive!

Opr

[RoadSweeper]

Just spotted 2 guys appaering to soft play ina sng in i poker so checked there head to head on sharkscope
one guy has played 341 games 334 in same games as his mate obv collusion here whats best way to report it to the powers that be at ipoker not playing in an irish skin at present any sugguestions.?

Email the skin you are on

[Denny Crane]

dunno why you guys spew so much about that chavball stuff, basketball is where it's at!

[Ace]

Just spotted 2 guys appaering to soft play ina sng in i poker so checked there head to head on sharkscope
one guy has played 341 games 334 in same games as his mate obv collusion here whats best way to report it to the powers that be at ipoker not playing in an irish skin at present any sugguestions.?

was it HU?

[Opr]

Boom 1 point game, glad I stayed up

Opr

[Hornswaggl]

i think im having a punt on the game , i knew nothing about the game but the Celtics look value in a 1 point game @ 2.25 opionions?

[Hornswaggl]

Just spotted 2 guys appaering to soft play ina sng in i poker so checked there head to head on sharkscope
one guy has played 341 games 334 in same games as his mate obv collusion here whats best way to report it to the powers that be at ipoker not playing in an irish skin at present any sugguestions.?

do you want to find them and tag team them

[Guest]

was it HU?

Are u for real? it involved games going back to april from 10 man to 6 man sngs ill hu you when i see ya

[Guest]

Email the skin you are on

I emailed the skin so not sure what action if any will be taken but there not even trying to hide the collusion.

[Opr]

Nightmare night for Allen looks like costing the Celtic's

Opr

[eagle eye]

Yeah Ray Allen and Paul Pierce went missing, that has happened too often this season.

I'm sick after that, after such a great fightback. And it could all have been so different too only for that terrible timeout call from Doc.

[Hectorjelly]

HJ I would stilll take some action on Torres leaving. Still. Surely youll bite the hand off this. Trying to get rid of the loots!!!

We talked about this here a few days ago, I think my side of the bet has gotten worse. City not getting into the CL was huge. I'd need much better odds now.

[Theresa]

yeah i tried to withdraw €500 there a while back and they wanted allsorts of photo id, photocopies of my credit card and proof of address. i was reluctant to give this information, as there is enough info in those documents to apply for a credit card or open a bank account in my name. so i emailed support and they wouldn't budge on the amt of info required. so anyhow after several emails outlining my concerns they eventually accepted a photocopy of my drivers licence and my credit card both sides btw so i emptied my a/c which was 1200 at the time, cancelled my credit card and didn't play there since.

now my story is that 20years ago when i was living in sydney i shared a house with a bunch off lads, one of them was an insurance salesman and his scam was to sell some unsuspecting guy insurance and get him to fill out the forms there was enough of info in these forms for my house mate to apply and get credit/cards in his customers names. he used to even set up direct debit payments from his customers bank a/c to make the monthly payments on a credit card that he never even knew he had let alone never used. sometimes he would get away with 5 or 6 mths before the card would get cancelled, and then he would only go and get another one in someone elses name and keep it going until it got cancelled again. he eventually got a conscious and gave it up after 3 years.

that was my experience of carbon poker. while the site itself might adhere to strict security the guy working for them could still shaft you with access to that kind of info. bottom line if they don't require that level of info to withdraw from your card then they shouldn't need it to make a payment to your card.

i play on ppp,ps and ft and none of them ever asked for that level of info

They shipped it this morning.

I will never play there again, joke to be honest. Getting the rest out better not be as much a nightmare as this though.

[LuckyLloyd]

mr american cliche calls me unoriginal,

is it my fault my opinion is considered by others, get off yer feckig high horse. What original post have you made on the subject that is also not prevalent on most feckng footie forums.

sure did you not call the opinion tripe, who the feck are you to call anyone opinion tripe, writing fecking soundbites to make your points, LOL

the confused smiley is my opinion IS different , what a useless point to make and thank.

I also love ACDC is it ok if the media agree with me. LMAO

let you guys have the last word, have to wonder though if my pov is so unoriginal why do people spend so much time correcting it. been done no ?

I don't claim originality. Yes your arguments have been rebutted many times before. Yet you still constantly trot out the same old tripe as fact. If you feel the need to repeat yourself in error, we can certainly do the same.

[Wolves]

Just to weigh in on the Rafa thing. I'm not a Liverpool fan (obv. wolves) but I do like to see them do well. They have been my fav. team in the premiership most seasons and I watched a lot of their games.

They should have won the league 2 seasons ago and didn't almost entirely on Rafa's bad tactical decisions. There is no doubt he can make a team play well against other good teams but so many draws against poor teams cost them the title. He's a defensive minded manager and when he had the squad to attack, and they were in form, he didn't use them right. As for last season they were just painful to watch, brutal at times. Personally, I am glad he's gone.

[Guest]

Without knowing anything about football, got to say that Solskjaer wins the liverpool posting.

That would probably be because ye share the same viewing point with regard to said sport

Without knowing anything about football

[6starpool]

Just to weigh in on the Rafa thing. I'm not a Liverpool fan (obv. wolves) but I do like to see them do well. They have been my fav. team in the premiership most seasons and I watched a lot of their games.

They should have won the league 2 seasons ago and didn't almost entirely on Rafa's bad tactical decisions. There is no doubt he can make a team play well against other good teams but so many draws against poor teams cost them the title. He's a defensive minded manager and when he had the squad to attack, and they were in form, he didn't use them right. As for last season they were just painful to watch, brutal at times. Personally, I am glad he's gone.

So when Liverpool didn't win it was Rafas tactical ineptitude, and when he did win it was the players who get the credit? No wonder the man can't get ahead.

No doubt they should have won several of those draw games, but they should also have lost/drawn some other games that they won through last minute goals, particularly early in the season, or were these 'lucky' in spite of Rafa as well?

[smurph]

Behind Every Great Child is a great parent

[Wolves]

So when Liverpool didn't win it was Rafas tactical ineptitude, and when he did win it was the players who get the credit? No wonder the man can't get ahead.

No doubt they should have won several of those draw games, but they should also have lost/drawn some other games that they won through last minute goals, particularly early in the season, or were these 'lucky' in spite of Rafa as well?

At what point did I not credit him when they did win? He is a good manager for tough games against top teams. His style suits these games. They have a pretty good record against the top teams in the premiership and in europe. He is a bad manager for perceived 'easy' games. He is far too defensive in these games, when if he set up the team differently they could run over a lot of these teams. I don't really see how anyone could argue this, it's so obvious.

[Solskjaer]

That would probably be because ye share the same viewing point with regard to said sport

Stick it up yer gash.

I've forgotten more than most of you chimps fecking know. I rubbed shoulders with many a Liverpool fan in the 1980s and reading the muck on here it is clear you loyaltys are not to a club but to some fecking spanish waiter. How fecking sad is that.

GFTO IMO.

[6starpool]

Whatever about 'how' anyone can argue about it, right now I'm probably wondering 'why' anyone should be arguing it and for my sanity I'm going to stop now.

[Solskjaer]

bottom line, Gerrard bailed rafsa out more times than not. Gerrard goes missing last year so do Liverpool. Fecking wafer thin squad in terms of ability.

It's funny I'm supposedly repeating myself when I've only spoke about rafa on this site for the 1st time yesterday.

[RasTa]

Shutup the lot of ye, WC to be looking forward to.

[zuppy]

Stick it up yer gash.

I've forgotten more than most of you chimps fecking know. I rubbed shoulders with many a Liverpool fan in the 1980s and reading the muck on here it is clear you loyaltys are not to a club but to some fecking spanish waiter. How fecking sad is that.

GFTO IMO.

Dead right, it's the loyalty to Benitez that I just don't get. Particularly after such a terrible season this year when they finished 09 as the strongest team in the league. They only lost Alonso and spent crazy money on Johnson and Aquilani who didn't play! United lose Ronaldo and Tevez yet only lose the league in the Chelsea game at OT. How can anyone justify wanting to keep Benitez after such regression this season? How can anyone still have faith in him?

[Iago]

You have this inability to listen to anyone else's point when it comes to football. I mean I have problems relating to Rafa but rarely those trotted out by the media and the old Fergie chestnut as you like to call it is trotted out because their are huge parallels. The difference being the guy had a bottomless pit on which to draw on to make a success of United.

This is a post which informed me on his spending and how badly he did in his early years with United.

way back in 1989 (some 20 years ago!) alex spent £13m on new signings as he was "building" a new united team..liverpool, in the previous 10 years hadnt spent as much.it was his 4th season at the club and as yet he hadnt won a thing. paul ince, neil webb, gary pallister (record fee for a defender) mike phelan and danny wallace ALL cost over £1m and in the case of pallister £2.2m. the combined outlay on new players took alexs spending to £13m. not alot now you would say, but just an example of how much money that was back then is the fact that michael knighton was on the verge of buying out martin edwards and buying the entire club and was priced £10m to buy the club.

Opr

Phelan £750k
Wallace £1.2m
Pallister £2.3m
Webb £1.5m
Ince £1.5m

So that year he spent £7.25m

In the previous two years he spent £5m

So it's close to £13m at £12.25m, but £750k in those days would buy you 3/4 of a Cantona or a full Denis Irwin for that matter so it all counts!!!

He also made over £5m in transfer fess from selling players during those years and overhauled an aging drink fuelled side while he was at it!

I'm not arguing against Benitez btw, but arguing that Fegie had a bottomless pit compared to Rafa when their % net spend over the first 5-6 years is very similar is a bogus argument.

[Flushdraw]

I sent an email to pokerstars support last night asking them to turn off my doomswitch because i was running so bad :-) I withdrew $5k from my account a couple of weeks ago and i somehow managed to go the next 53 tournaments without cashing.

I'm always interested to hear what pokerstars have to say, and despite not thinking that pokerstars was rigged, the main purpose of my mail was to include that over the last 2 weeks, i've had over 25 transactions coming in and out (due to sheep games/sweeps) and because i also play half my time on 2 IPs addresses due to living in Letterkenny and working in Dublin. I've also had 2 failed attempts to transfer money to someone who's account was locked for real money transfers. Was just making sure that there was nothing flagged on my account.

As usual, their response was top of the range.

Hello Tony,

Thank you for your email and allowing me to address your concerns.

As much as it might be a convenient explanation for when you receive a bad
beat, there is no such thing as a "doomswitch". It is simply a fanciful term
invented by players, who in the early days of online poker, were seeking to
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The truth is, we only facilitate the game by dealing the cards in a fair,
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Again, in over 40,000,000,000 hands not once has anybody found any
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I clicked on one the links above, and the results are pretty interesting.

Starting cards:


Total hands you were dealt cards: 125852


All suited starters dealt: 29595 (23.52%)
All suited starters expected: 29612 (23.5%)


All connected starters dealt: 19493 (15.49%)
All connected starters expected: 19741 (15.7%)


Suited connector starters dealt: 4837 (3.84%)
Suited connector starters expected: 4935 (3.92%)


Paired starters dealt: 7364 (5.851%)
Paired starters expected: 7403 (5.88%)


AKo dealt: 1202 (0.955%)
AKo expected: 1139 (0.905%)


AKs dealt: 373 (0.296%)
AKs expected: 380 (0.302%)


Any AK dealt: 1575 (1.251%)
Any AK expected: 1519 (1.21%)


A's dealt: 603 (0.479%)
K's dealt: 543 (0.431%)
Q's dealt: 558 (0.443%)
J's dealt: 551 (0.438%)
T's dealt: 546 (0.434%)
9's dealt: 585 (0.465%)
8's dealt: 568 (0.451%)
7's dealt: 597 (0.474%)
6's dealt: 542 (0.431%)
5's dealt: 532 (0.423%)
4's dealt: 603 (0.479%)
3's dealt: 582 (0.462%)
2's dealt: 554 (0.440%)
Each pair expected: 569 (0.452%)


(Note that only data for hands where a flop was dealt and you
were dealt cards preflop are used. Hands where no flop was dealt
are skipped.)


Total hands you were dealt cards: 125852
Times a flop dealt when you were dealt cards: 80610 (64.05%)


When user dealt AK, flops at least one A or K: 346 (33.11%)
expected: 339 (32.4%)


USER HAS ANY TWO SUITED CARDS (dealt 19446 times):
Using both user's hole cards, flopped a:
3 flush: 8164 (41.98%) expected: 8087 (41.6%)
4 flush: 2226 (11.45%) expected: 2128 (10.9%)
5 flush: 147 (0.76%) expected: 164 (0.842%)
Three cards on the flop make up a:
3 straight: 612 (3.15%) expected: 620 (3.18%)
2 flush: 10728 (55.17%) expected: 10718 (55.1%)
3 flush: 981 (5.04%) expected: 1015 (05.22%)
any pair: 3303 (16.99%) expected: 3292 (16.9%)
Hand user flops:
High card: 10257 (52.7%) expected: 10233 (52.6%)
Pair: 7868 (40.5%) expected: 7858 (40.4%)
Two pair: 757 (3.89%) expected: 786 (4.04%)
3 of a kind: 302 (1.55%) expected: 306 (1.57%)
Straight: 97 (0.50%) expected: 80 (0.412%)
Flush: 147 (0.76%) expected: 162 (0.835%)
Full house: 15 (0.077%) expected: 18 (0.0918%)
Four of a kind: 3 (0.015%) expected: 2 (0.0102%)
Straight flush: 0 (0.000%) expected: 1 (0.00589%)
Royal flush: 0 (0.000%) expected: 0 (0.000654%)


USER HAS ANY PAIR (dealt 5218 times):
Using both user's hole cards, flopped a:
Underpair (to flop): 1224 (23.46%) expected: 1225 (23.5%)
Overpair (to flop): 1215 (23.28%) expected: 1225 (23.5%)
Set: 647 (12.40%) expected: 601 (11.51%)
Quads: 5 (0.096%) expected: 13 (0.245%)
Three cards on the flop make up a:
3 straight: 168 (3.22%) expected: 166 (3.18%)
2 flush: 2860 (54.81%) expected: 2872 (55.0%)
3 flush: 305 (5.85%) expected: 269 (5.16%)
any pair: 896 (17.17%) expected: 895 (17.1%)
Hand user flops:
High card: 0 (0.0%) expected: 0 (0.00%)
Pair: 3707 (71.0%) expected: 3748 (71.8%)
Two pair: 841 (16.12%) expected: 843 (16.2%)
3 of a kind: 597 (11.44%) expected: 562 (10.8%)
Straight: 0 (0.00%) expected: 0
(0.00%)
Flush: 0 (0.00%) expected: 0 (0.00%)
Full house: 68 (1.303%) expected: 51 (0.980%)
Four of a kind: 5 (0.096%) expected: 13 (0.245%)
Straight flush: 0 (0.000%) expected: 0 (0.00%)
Royal flush: 0 (0.000%) expected: 0 (0.00%)


USER HAS OFFSUIT CONNECTORS FROM 54o to JTo (dealt 5026 times):
Using both user's hole cards, flopped a:
Open ended: 414 (8.24%) expected: 430 (8.55%)
Double belly: 24 (0.48%) expected: 27 (0.531%)
Straight: 70 (1.39%) expected: 63 (1.26%)
Three cards on the flop make up a:
3 straight: 180 (3.58%) expected: 158 (3.15%)
2 flush: 2804 (55.79%) expected: 2766 (55.0%)
3 flush: 259 (5.15%) expected: 260 (5.16%)
any pair: 852 (16.95%) expected: 851 (16.9%)
Hand user flops:
High card: 2641 (52.5%) expected: 2646 (52.6%)
Pair: 2025 (40.3%) expected: 2031 (40.4%)
Two pair: 200 (3.98%) expected: 203 (4.04%)
3 of a kind: 87 (1.73%) expected: 79 (1.57%)
Straight: 72 (1.43%) expected: 62 (1.23%)
Flush: 0 (0.00%) expected: 0 (0.00%)
Full house: 1 (0.020%) expected: 5 (0.0918%)
Four of a kind: 0 (0.000%) expected: 1 (0.0102%)
Straight flush: 0 (0.000%) expected: 0 (0.00%)
Royal flush: 0 (0.000%) expected: 0 (0.00%)


ALL FLOPS SEEN BY THE USER:
Three cards on the flop make up a:
3 straight: 2630 (3.26%) expected: 2568 (3.19%)
2 flush: 44329 (54.99%) expected: 44383 (55.1%)
3 flush: 4176 (5.18%) expected: 4173 (5.18%)
any pair: 13699 (16.99%) expected: 13656 (16.9%)
Hand user flops:
High card: 40153 (49.8%) expected: 40400 (50.1%)
Pair: 34179 (42.4%) expected: 34063 (42.3%)
Two pair: 3863 (4.79%) expected: 3832 (4.75%)
3 of a kind: 1770 (2.20%) expected: 1703 (2.11%)
Straight: 357 (0.44%) expected: 316 (0.392%)
Flush: 147 (0.18%) expected: 158 (0.197%)
Full house: 131 (0.163%) expected: 116 (0.144%)
Four of a kind: 10 (0.012%) expected: 19 (0.0240%)
Straight flush: 0 (0.000%) expected: 1 (0.00139%)
Royal flush: 0 (0.000%) expected: 0 (0.000154%)


(Note that only data for hands where a river was dealt and you
were dealt cards preflop are used. Hands where no river was dealt
are skipped.)


Total hands you were dealt cards: 125852


Total final boards seen when you were dealt cards: 44325


USER HAS ANY TWO SUITED CARDS (dealt 10628 times):
Four flushes flopped: 1262 (11.87%)
expected: 1163 (10.9%)
When flop four flush, got flush: 464 (36.77%)
expected: 441 (35.0%)
Hand user has at river:
High card: 1871 (17.6%) expected: 1852 (17.4%)
Pair: 4465 (42.0%) expected: 4532 (42.6%)
Two pair: 2290 (21.55%) expected: 2349 (22.1%)
3 of a kind: 463 (4.36%) expected: 461 (4.33%)
Straight: 494 (4.65%) expected: 484 (4.56%)
Flush: 786 (7.40%) expected: 692 (6.51%)
Full house: 236 (2.221%) expected: 236 (2.22%)
Four of a kind: 15 (0.141%) expected: 13 (0.126%)
Straight flush: 7 (0.066%) expected: 7 (0.0663%)
Royal flush: 1 (0.009%) expected: 1 (0.00781%)


USER HAS ANY PAIR (dealt 3264 times):
A set flopped: 470 (14.40%)
expected: 368 (11.3%)
When flop set, got boat or quads: 153 (32.55%)
expected: 157 (33.4%)
Hand user has at river:
High card: 0 (0.0%) expected: 0 (0.00%)
Pair: 1126 (34.5%) expected: 1158 (35.5%)
Two pair: 1253 (38.39%) expected: 1290 (39.5%)
3 of a kind: 435 (13.33%) expected: 383 (11.7%)
Straight: 45 (1.38%) expected: 62 (1.90%)
Flush: 63 (1.93%) expected: 64 (1.95%)
Full house: 316 (9.681%) expected: 279 (8.54%)
Four of a kind: 26 (0.797%) expected: 27 (0.842%)
Straight flush: 0 (0.000%) expected: 1 (0.0160%)
Royal flush: 0 (0.000%) expected: 0 (0.00182%)


USER HAS OFFSUIT CONNECTORS FROM 54o to JTo (dealt 2655 times):
Flopped open ended: 244 (9.19%)
expected: 227 (8.55%)
When open ended, got straight: 69 (28.28%)
expected: 75 (30.7%)
Hand user has at river:
High card: 445 (16.8%) expected: 457 (17.2%)
Pair: 1140 (42.9%) expected: 1135 (42.7%)
Two pair: 561 (21.13%) expected: 591 (22.3%)
3 of a kind: 112 (4.22%) expected: 115 (4.35%)
Straight: 259 (9.76%) expected: 242 (9.12%)
Flush: 60 (2.26%) expected: 52 (1.95%)
Full house: 72 (2.712%) expected: 59 (2.22%)
Four of a kind: 5 (0.188%) expected: 3 (0.126%)
Straight flush: 1 (0.038%) expected: 1 (0.0209%)
Royal flush: 0 (0.000%) expected: 0 (0.00110%)


ALL RIVERS SEEN BY THE USER:
Hand user has at river:
High card: 7614 (17.2%) expected: 7718 (17.4%)
Pair: 19268 (43.5%) expected: 19424 (43.8%)
Two pair: 10327 (23.30%) expected: 10414
(23.5%)
3 of a kind: 2271 (5.12%) expected: 2141 (4.83%)
Straight: 2095 (4.73%) expected: 2048 (4.62%)
Flush: 1468 (3.31%) expected: 1341 (3.03%)
Full house: 1195 (2.696%) expected: 1151 (2.60%)
Four of a kind: 74 (0.167%) expected: 74 (0.168%)
Straight flush: 12 (0.027%) expected: 12 (0.0279%)
Royal flush: 1 (0.002%) expected: 1 (0.00323%)


Four to a flush on board 2042 (4.607%)
expected: 1902 (4.29%)

[nuxxx]

stars is down for a server reset, all hands got paused

anyone know when its back up?

[Guest]

Stick it up yer gash.

I've forgotten more than most of you chimps fecking know. I rubbed shoulders with many a Liverpool fan in the 1980s and reading the muck on here it is clear you loyaltys are not to a club but to some fecking spanish waiter. How fecking sad is that.

GFTO IMO.

any particular part of im happy he is gone you missing out on?

[aodea]

Talking about spending in the early 90s late 80s just cant be compared to transfers of today. Todays transfers are all over inflated due to money in modern football an average english player like barry can cost 15million plus. You can however compare quailty.

Im not going to get into any specfics other than in my opinion Rafa should have stayed because currently they cant get anyone better. I support a team who have had since rafa took over in 2004 Erick Black, Peter Reid, Micky Adams, Ian Dowie, Chris Coleman and now Aidi Boothroyd along with another 3 caretaker managers who added together were in charge for about a season.

While i dont champion any of these managers no replacement has ever looked to me like a major step up and as such new manager has come in and build his own team for a year done average and been replaced. It is this attitude from english football clubs that leads to them struggling. Stabilty is how you build success.

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[dannydiamond]

Only 2 days to go!!

[Ste05]

fairly certain I asked the gf to marry me, but may have covered it up with the five-day binge. She refused to wear white anyway (according to the skype messages), which is reasonably honest of her. Hope this doesn't affect the threesome!

Congrats?? LOL

I wonder was that an attempt to cement the threesome or to try and put it off???

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[Kayroo]

fairly certain I asked the gf to marry me, but may have covered it up with the five-day binge. She refused to wear white anyway (according to the skype messages), which is reasonably honest of her. Hope this doesn't affect the threesome!

That conversation had to be a fun one:

"You said I'm the only woman you want to share your life with!"
"Yes! My life with, not my bed!"

Congrats all the same.

[gorrrr72]

I sent an email to pokerstars support last night asking them to turn off my doomswitch because i was running so bad :-) I withdrew $5k from my account a couple of weeks ago and i somehow managed to go the next 53 tournaments without cashing.

I'm always interested to hear what pokerstars have to say, and despite not thinking that pokerstars was rigged, the main purpose of my mail was to include that over the last 2 weeks, i've had over 25 transactions coming in and out (due to sheep games/sweeps) and because i also play half my time on 2 IPs addresses due to living in Letterkenny and working in Dublin. I've also had 2 failed attempts to transfer money to someone who's account was locked for real money transfers. Was just making sure that there was nothing flagged on my account.

As usual, their response was top of the range.



I clicked on one the links above, and the results are pretty interesting.

Starting cards:


Total hands you were dealt cards: 125852


All suited starters dealt: 29595 (23.52%)
All suited starters expected: 29612 (23.5%)


All connected starters dealt: 19493 (15.49%)
All connected starters expected: 19741 (15.7%)


Suited connector starters dealt: 4837 (3.84%)
Suited connector starters expected: 4935 (3.92%)


Paired starters dealt: 7364 (5.851%)
Paired starters expected: 7403 (5.88%)


AKo dealt: 1202 (0.955%)
AKo expected: 1139 (0.905%)


AKs dealt: 373 (0.296%)
AKs expected: 380 (0.302%)


Any AK dealt: 1575 (1.251%)
Any AK expected: 1519 (1.21%)


A's dealt: 603 (0.479%)
K's dealt: 543 (0.431%)
Q's dealt: 558 (0.443%)
J's dealt: 551 (0.438%)
T's dealt: 546 (0.434%)
9's dealt: 585 (0.465%)
8's dealt: 568 (0.451%)
7's dealt: 597 (0.474%)
6's dealt: 542 (0.431%)
5's dealt: 532 (0.423%)
4's dealt: 603 (0.479%)
3's dealt: 582 (0.462%)
2's dealt: 554 (0.440%)
Each pair expected: 569 (0.452%)


(Note that only data for hands where a flop was dealt and you
were dealt cards preflop are used. Hands where no flop was dealt
are skipped.)


Total hands you were dealt cards: 125852
Times a flop dealt when you were dealt cards: 80610 (64.05%)


When user dealt AK, flops at least one A or K: 346 (33.11%)
expected: 339 (32.4%)


USER HAS ANY TWO SUITED CARDS (dealt 19446 times):
Using both user's hole cards, flopped a:
3 flush: 8164 (41.98%) expected: 8087 (41.6%)
4 flush: 2226 (11.45%) expected: 2128 (10.9%)
5 flush: 147 (0.76%) expected: 164 (0.842%)
Three cards on the flop make up a:
3 straight: 612 (3.15%) expected: 620 (3.18%)
2 flush: 10728 (55.17%) expected: 10718 (55.1%)
3 flush: 981 (5.04%) expected: 1015 (05.22%)
any pair: 3303 (16.99%) expected: 3292 (16.9%)
Hand user flops:
High card: 10257 (52.7%) expected: 10233 (52.6%)
Pair: 7868 (40.5%) expected: 7858 (40.4%)
Two pair: 757 (3.89%) expected: 786 (4.04%)
3 of a kind: 302 (1.55%) expected: 306 (1.57%)
Straight: 97 (0.50%) expected: 80 (0.412%)
Flush: 147 (0.76%) expected: 162 (0.835%)
Full house: 15 (0.077%) expected: 18 (0.0918%)
Four of a kind: 3 (0.015%) expected: 2 (0.0102%)
Straight flush: 0 (0.000%) expected: 1 (0.00589%)
Royal flush: 0 (0.000%) expected: 0 (0.000654%)


USER HAS ANY PAIR (dealt 5218 times):
Using both user's hole cards, flopped a:
Underpair (to flop): 1224 (23.46%) expected: 1225 (23.5%)
Overpair (to flop): 1215 (23.28%) expected: 1225 (23.5%)
Set: 647 (12.40%) expected: 601 (11.51%)
Quads: 5 (0.096%) expected: 13 (0.245%)
Three cards on the flop make up a:
3 straight: 168 (3.22%) expected: 166 (3.18%)
2 flush: 2860 (54.81%) expected: 2872 (55.0%)
3 flush: 305 (5.85%) expected: 269 (5.16%)
any pair: 896 (17.17%) expected: 895 (17.1%)
Hand user flops:
High card: 0 (0.0%) expected: 0 (0.00%)
Pair: 3707 (71.0%) expected: 3748 (71.8%)
Two pair: 841 (16.12%) expected: 843 (16.2%)
3 of a kind: 597 (11.44%) expected: 562 (10.8%)
Straight: 0 (0.00%) expected: 0
(0.00%)
Flush: 0 (0.00%) expected: 0 (0.00%)
Full house: 68 (1.303%) expected: 51 (0.980%)
Four of a kind: 5 (0.096%) expected: 13 (0.245%)
Straight flush: 0 (0.000%) expected: 0 (0.00%)
Royal flush: 0 (0.000%) expected: 0 (0.00%)


USER HAS OFFSUIT CONNECTORS FROM 54o to JTo (dealt 5026 times):
Using both user's hole cards, flopped a:
Open ended: 414 (8.24%) expected: 430 (8.55%)
Double belly: 24 (0.48%) expected: 27 (0.531%)
Straight: 70 (1.39%) expected: 63 (1.26%)
Three cards on the flop make up a:
3 straight: 180 (3.58%) expected: 158 (3.15%)
2 flush: 2804 (55.79%) expected: 2766 (55.0%)
3 flush: 259 (5.15%) expected: 260 (5.16%)
any pair: 852 (16.95%) expected: 851 (16.9%)
Hand user flops:
High card: 2641 (52.5%) expected: 2646 (52.6%)
Pair: 2025 (40.3%) expected: 2031 (40.4%)
Two pair: 200 (3.98%) expected: 203 (4.04%)
3 of a kind: 87 (1.73%) expected: 79 (1.57%)
Straight: 72 (1.43%) expected: 62 (1.23%)
Flush: 0 (0.00%) expected: 0 (0.00%)
Full house: 1 (0.020%) expected: 5 (0.0918%)
Four of a kind: 0 (0.000%) expected: 1 (0.0102%)
Straight flush: 0 (0.000%) expected: 0 (0.00%)
Royal flush: 0 (0.000%) expected: 0 (0.00%)


ALL FLOPS SEEN BY THE USER:
Three cards on the flop make up a:
3 straight: 2630 (3.26%) expected: 2568 (3.19%)
2 flush: 44329 (54.99%) expected: 44383 (55.1%)
3 flush: 4176 (5.18%) expected: 4173 (5.18%)
any pair: 13699 (16.99%) expected: 13656 (16.9%)
Hand user flops:
High card: 40153 (49.8%) expected: 40400 (50.1%)
Pair: 34179 (42.4%) expected: 34063 (42.3%)
Two pair: 3863 (4.79%) expected: 3832 (4.75%)
3 of a kind: 1770 (2.20%) expected: 1703 (2.11%)
Straight: 357 (0.44%) expected: 316 (0.392%)
Flush: 147 (0.18%) expected: 158 (0.197%)
Full house: 131 (0.163%) expected: 116 (0.144%)
Four of a kind: 10 (0.012%) expected: 19 (0.0240%)
Straight flush: 0 (0.000%) expected: 1 (0.00139%)
Royal flush: 0 (0.000%) expected: 0 (0.000154%)


(Note that only data for hands where a river was dealt and you
were dealt cards preflop are used. Hands where no river was dealt
are skipped.)


Total hands you were dealt cards: 125852


Total final boards seen when you were dealt cards: 44325


USER HAS ANY TWO SUITED CARDS (dealt 10628 times):
Four flushes flopped: 1262 (11.87%)
expected: 1163 (10.9%)
When flop four flush, got flush: 464 (36.77%)
expected: 441 (35.0%)
Hand user has at river:
High card: 1871 (17.6%) expected: 1852 (17.4%)
Pair: 4465 (42.0%) expected: 4532 (42.6%)
Two pair: 2290 (21.55%) expected: 2349 (22.1%)
3 of a kind: 463 (4.36%) expected: 461 (4.33%)
Straight: 494 (4.65%) expected: 484 (4.56%)
Flush: 786 (7.40%) expected: 692 (6.51%)
Full house: 236 (2.221%) expected: 236 (2.22%)
Four of a kind: 15 (0.141%) expected: 13 (0.126%)
Straight flush: 7 (0.066%) expected: 7 (0.0663%)
Royal flush: 1 (0.009%) expected: 1 (0.00781%)


USER HAS ANY PAIR (dealt 3264 times):
A set flopped: 470 (14.40%)
expected: 368 (11.3%)
When flop set, got boat or quads: 153 (32.55%)
expected: 157 (33.4%)
Hand user has at river:
High card: 0 (0.0%) expected: 0 (0.00%)
Pair: 1126 (34.5%) expected: 1158 (35.5%)
Two pair: 1253 (38.39%) expected: 1290 (39.5%)
3 of a kind: 435 (13.33%) expected: 383 (11.7%)
Straight: 45 (1.38%) expected: 62 (1.90%)
Flush: 63 (1.93%) expected: 64 (1.95%)
Full house: 316 (9.681%) expected: 279 (8.54%)
Four of a kind: 26 (0.797%) expected: 27 (0.842%)
Straight flush: 0 (0.000%) expected: 1 (0.0160%)
Royal flush: 0 (0.000%) expected: 0 (0.00182%)


USER HAS OFFSUIT CONNECTORS FROM 54o to JTo (dealt 2655 times):
Flopped open ended: 244 (9.19%)
expected: 227 (8.55%)
When open ended, got straight: 69 (28.28%)
expected: 75 (30.7%)
Hand user has at river:
High card: 445 (16.8%) expected: 457 (17.2%)
Pair: 1140 (42.9%) expected: 1135 (42.7%)
Two pair: 561 (21.13%) expected: 591 (22.3%)
3 of a kind: 112 (4.22%) expected: 115 (4.35%)
Straight: 259 (9.76%) expected: 242 (9.12%)
Flush: 60 (2.26%) expected: 52 (1.95%)
Full house: 72 (2.712%) expected: 59 (2.22%)
Four of a kind: 5 (0.188%) expected: 3 (0.126%)
Straight flush: 1 (0.038%) expected: 1 (0.0209%)
Royal flush: 0 (0.000%) expected: 0 (0.00110%)


ALL RIVERS SEEN BY THE USER:
Hand user has at river:
High card: 7614 (17.2%) expected: 7718 (17.4%)
Pair: 19268 (43.5%) expected: 19424 (43.8%)
Two pair: 10327 (23.30%) expected: 10414
(23.5%)
3 of a kind: 2271 (5.12%) expected: 2141 (4.83%)
Straight: 2095 (4.73%) expected: 2048 (4.62%)
Flush: 1468 (3.31%) expected: 1341 (3.03%)
Full house: 1195 (2.696%) expected: 1151 (2.60%)
Four of a kind: 74 (0.167%) expected: 74 (0.168%)
Straight flush: 12 (0.027%) expected: 12 (0.0279%)
Royal flush: 1 (0.002%) expected: 1 (0.00323%)


Four to a flush on board 2042 (4.607%)
expected: 1902 (4.29%)

Numbers are spot on, in fact you were probably running well over that sample. Must be the skill factor

[Opr]

Phelan £750k
Wallace £1.2m
Pallister £2.3m
Webb £1.5m
Ince £1.5m

So that year he spent £7.25m

In the previous two years he spent £5m

So it's close to £13m at £12.25m, but £750k in those days would buy you 3/4 of a Cantona or a full Denis Irwin for that matter so it all counts!!!

He also made over £5m in transfer fess from selling players during those years and overhauled an aging drink fuelled side while he was at it!

I'm not arguing against Benitez btw, but arguing that Fegie had a bottomless pit compared to Rafa when their % net spend over the first 5-6 years is very similar is a bogus argument.

I don't want to get much more involved in this argument as I think its run its course but I am not sure what your trying to show ? You add up the figures given and say he is out by about 750k, fair enough. Then you insert a last line like it has naturally come from what you have just written when instead it looks like it was plucked from thin air.

The article extrapolates that Rafa would have to spend in the region of 430m in those first four season for it to have been comparable to what Alex spent. So lets say Alex did make 5 million back that would still leave net spend 7.25m or around a net spend of 255m (Average 64m a season) today going on club valuations.

Rafa spent 228 in his first four year of which he recouped 149 which is a net spend of 79m(Average 20m a season) and on what planet are those % net spends similar ?

All that is not even taking into account that Alex managed to win nothing in first 4 seasons and had spectacular league finishes of 2nd, 11th, 13th, 6th.

Rafa in the same time period won the champions league, Won the FA cup, got to another Champions league final and in the league finished 5th, 3rd, 3rd, 4th.

Opr

[mdoug]

went to doctor today, throat ear and kidney infection all at the same time....
running bad

[aodea]

went to doctor today, throat ear and kidney infection all at the same time....
running bad

I reckon your running good to get them all at same time, one after another would have you sick for weeks.

[Angry-Ball]

went to doctor today, throat ear and kidney infection all at the same time....
running bad

probably from shouting at the computer screen,
wife/gf or mother shouting in your ear at wasting your time playing the pokers

and for the kidney try pissing more often