Bad beat/Moan/Venting Thread - BBV Archive 1

[newbie2]

Worlds Greatest Dad is a quality little movie.

You're the second persn to say that. so I think I'll watch it. I've hd it dl'd fro a few months now

[Fuzzy Logic]

You're the second persn to say that. so I think I'll watch it. I've hd it dl'd fro a few months now

Hows the wine?

[newbie2]

fruity and easy to drink.....

[Zuroph]

any1 know paul24g on PPP?

[Luckmode]

12th of 82 left at the third break. please god one time.

Is this the irish open freeroll? who from the forums is left?

[Zuroph]

dunno of anyone else left, they're all keeping it quiet. ya its the freeroll.

[DrJFF]

Actually Jason,
I would like advice on the hand. If you think I played it that bad, then explain why you think that. I got it all in when I was in front. I got it in with the help of - what I believe - was a good read. Against any other player on another night - you're right - I would've played it differently. But against that player, at that time, I played how I thought I would maximise my profit. It turns out he caught runner runner and I was fcuked.

If he folds then meh - it's early on in a very loose mtt. i've sent out a message that i don't like my blind s being raised and I can build from there.

well by just 3betting to 2.5-4x his open, you give him room to play back at you with worse,

i think you wer lucky(then unlucky) in that he had a hand as strong as QQ and was happy to stack off,

grant it he may have been god awful and just blew up no matter what you sizing is,

edit: also i love my BB being raised when i have KK

the reason i think it is bad to make it 11x cos you fold out so many hands that you beat from other players at the table, it is not HU,

you also will give unneccessary info away to the rest of the table, if you had only 1100 i think you should be shoving, but when people commit over a 1/3 of their stack they don't fold often so you are making it pretty easy to play against you,

grant it in this one instance it worked out but against all the random donks out der long term this sizing will not be good

[DrJFF]

dunno of anyone else left, they're all keeping it quiet. ya its the freeroll.

gl gl

[Zuroph]

22nd of 43, i need a hand or two now!

[newbie2]

well by just 3betting to 2.5-4x his open, you give him room to play back at you with worse, agreed - but I believed that 1: he'd call - given his rep. 2: he'd shove - given his rep or 3: he'd fold - unlikely

i think you wer lucky(then unlucky) in that he had a hand as strong as QQ and was happy to stack off,agreed

grant it he may have been god awful and just blew up no matter what you sizing is,we saw what happened

edit: also i love my BB being raised when i have KKIt's good, isn't it

the reason i think it is bad to make it 11x cos you fold out so many hands that you beat from other players at the table, it is not HU, I was the SB, he was the BTN. Everyone else had folded, execpt the BB, who was in fairness 72/16

you also will give unneccessary info away to the rest of the table, if you had only 1100 i think you should be shoving, but when people commit over a 1/3 of their stack they don't fold often so you are making it pretty easy to play against you,sorry explain please, i committed 1/6th of my stack to the pot.

grant it in this one instance it worked out but against all the random donks out der long term this sizing will not be goodagreed - this was a donk i had a particular read on.

in red

[Denny Crane]

what's the advantage of the large raise over a smaller raise?

[oleras]

Worlds Greatest Dad is a quality little movie.

Said it already but Robin Williams should have been nominated for best actor in that movie, he was fantastic. The film itself is very very dark though.

The pacific, looks like it will be as good as BOB, has to be a good thing. I wonder will they ever make one from a german pov ? I for one would like to see how they would carry it off, doubt it would come from mainstreem US producers though, not at the moment, cant have people sympthasing/empathasing with the enemy. Grunts are grunts, all they do is follow orders and if they win they are the good guys..."I looked at my enemy and he looked just like me."

War is a cunt.

[Zuroph]

fcuk it. just gave the chiplead my chips. out in 40th.

[newbie2]

what's the advantage of the large raise over a smaller raise?

Large raise pretty much commits him to the pot IMO.

[Flushdraw]

Watching the HU game between Durrrr and Ziigmund and this hand comes up

Durrrr Q 8 10 5

Ziigmund A J 6 A

Flop 5 9 3

They both get 27k in preflop and then the stacks go in on the tflop. The graphic comes up that Durrrr is 65% fave and i thought this was wrong.

So Jessie says that 'wow durrrr is favourite' and Galfond says 'Yeah he had his fd, all his 2 pair draws and his backdoor sraight draws'

Looked it up on Cardplayer and it has Ziigmund as 69% fave. Surely that's right?

[Jackyback]

Watching the HU game between Durrrr and Ziigmund and this hand comes up

Durrrr Q 8 10 5

Ziigmund A J 6 A

Flop 5 9 3

They both get 27k in preflop and then the stacks go in on the tflop. The graphic comes up that Durrrr is 65% fave and i thought this was wrong.

So Jessie says that 'wow durrrr is favourite' and Galfond says 'Yeah he had his fd, all his 2 pair draws and his backdoor sraight draws'

Looked it up on Cardplayer and it has Ziigmund as 69% fave. Surely that's right?

I thought it came up on the turn when the 5 fell?

[Flushdraw]

I thought it came up on the turn when the 5 fell?

Nah Sky+ is great :-) It was on the flop. I also ran it through with the 5 turn and that puts Durrrr at 80% fave.

Sickos tho playing the game out as 3k/9k blind game

[DrJFF]

in red

for the effective stacks you are commiting a 3rd of your stack

[Jackyback]

Nah Sky+ is great :-) It was on the flop. I also ran it through with the 5 turn and that puts Durrrr at 80% fave.

Sickos tho playing the game out as 3k/9k blind game

Yeah just ran it, obv misplaced the equity against Durrr. Some interesting hands on there tonight.

[Flushdraw]

Quality hand between Durrrr and Ivey in latest ep of high stakes poker.

Yeah saw this and did everyone in the HSP thread. No HSP spoilers in here are the rules so can you delete this for everyone that hasnt seen it yet imo

[Ste05]

Watching the HU game between Durrrr and Ziigmund and this hand comes up

Durrrr Q 8 10 5

Ziigmund A J 6 A

Flop 5 9 3

They both get 27k in preflop and then the stacks go in on the tflop. The graphic comes up that Durrrr is 65% fave and i thought this was wrong.

So Jessie says that 'wow durrrr is favourite' and Galfond says 'Yeah he had his fd, all his 2 pair draws and his backdoor sraight draws'

Looked it up on Cardplayer and it has Ziigmund as 69% fave. Surely that's right?

I'd say if Ziig doesn't have the flush draw it'll be about those odds, they prob just did the equity calc wrong or displayed the board wrong.

i.e. Jh instead of Js in Zig's hand

[DrJFF]

Watching the HU game between Durrrr and Ziigmund and this hand comes up

Durrrr Q 8 10 5

Ziigmund A J 6 A

Flop 5 9 3

They both get 27k in preflop and then the stacks go in on the tflop. The graphic comes up that Durrrr is 65% fave and i thought this was wrong.

So Jessie says that 'wow durrrr is favourite' and Galfond says 'Yeah he had his fd, all his 2 pair draws and his backdoor sraight draws'

Looked it up on Cardplayer and it has Ziigmund as 69% fave. Surely that's right?

the mistake is actually not the percentages i think cos ziggy doesn't have the FD, galfond says at the start of the hand that this is about as weak as aces can be no suits or connectivity

[newbie2]

for the effective stacks you are commiting a 3rd of your stack

But BB is still to play - so is it not 1 quarter my stack?

[Hitchhiker's Guide To...]

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[a-k-47]

lol 2nd time tonight, hit the nut flush only to be cased for quads on the river. lol

[GrangeUtd]

Yeah saw this and did everyone in the HSP thread. No HSP spoilers in here are the rules so can you delete this for everyone that hasnt seen it yet imo

alright hotshot i wasn't aware of that rule. Deleted now.

[DrJFF]

But BB is still to play - so is it not 1 quarter my stack?

look this is a minor detail he won't come in with many hands given your sizing,

do you still think you played the hand optimally?

[Jackyback]

No turning back now registered for the Cork Marathon in June.

[DrJFF]

alright hotshot i wasn't aware of that rule. Deleted now.

hey no need to react like that, FD was just letting you aware,


CRYBA

[newbie2]

look this is a minor detail he won't come in with many hands given your sizing,

do you still think you played the hand optimally?

Against that particualr opponent -YES.

In fairness Jason, you haven't given any explanation why you think I played this hand badly against this particular opponent. You've given numerous examples of the optimum play in A position against AN opponent but you've purposely left out specifics to the hand and players that IMO are relevant.

look this is a minor detail he won't come in with many hands given your sizing

If it's a minor detail, then why did you suggest it's relevance in an earlier post???

Making comments like:

but i wudn't be sympathetic with someone if they played the hand bad

still don't like it

are you serious? you don't know why you played the hand bad?

is a little shitty considering that you're not an expert in MTT's and IMO, you're posting here like you think you are.
FFS man - read the posts before you reply

[Guest]

Sooooo...who likes overlays? I think I can guarantee two: http://www.irishpokerboards.com/foru...2&postcount=41

Finished 2nd *only one seat

last hand
All in preflop with A3 Vs KJ
i hit 3 on flop he hit J on turn

made a mistake when i had 3/4 chips HU
checked an A on flop to get him to bet, he checked back,
im sure he would have stayed anyhu as he had flush and straight draw (he hit the flush)

[Ace]

Look he was just sayin the way you played the hand is going to lose you value in the long run - any other hand he is more than likely folding - i'm actually kinda happy that he sucked out on you now that you going mad.

[Denny Crane]

Large raise pretty much commits him to the pot IMO.

you've three streets left to do that. irrespective of whether he's a donk or not with such a raise you narrow the range he calls/plays back with.

[newbie2]

Look he was just sayin the way you played the hand is going to lose you value in the long run - any other hand he is more than likely folding - i'm actually kinda happy that he sucked out on you now that you going mad.

bite me

[newbie2]

you've three streets left to do that. irrespective of whether he's a donk or not with such a raise you narrow the range he calls/plays back with.

And you can bit me too/...........

FFS, I'm sick of this sh1t, FWIW you can Ban me for a week. I've a pain in my bollix with all you pro poker playing cnuts.

SEe you in a week. Donks

[CHDad]

Look he was just sayin the way you played the hand is going to lose you value in the long run - any other hand he is more than likely folding - i'm actually kinda happy that he sucked out on you now that you going mad.

The nutcase described is not folding too many hands to a raise this size. They call these hoping to hit alot as they think 'cos i mite gets his chips if i hit'. He isn't doing this alot, just against some who is playing crazy, like when people open their range a little against someone on tilt. I don't like x11 but it isn't that crazy and is not the worst thing to do in these tournys imo.

lol at your pathetic dig, made me smile.

[DrJFF]

do i know you personally? just wondering cos your the first person to call me by my first name Jason


and on a sidenote, i did given you a reason why i didn't like it, and so have others,

life is too short to be throwing tantrums come on now


Sidenote: i never once said i was an expert MTT player but you don't have to be an expert to know the basics

[Ace]

I've run bad all nite. I really thought i had this fecker banged.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 22 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Hand Converter from HandHistoryConverter.com

BB (t4530)
UTG (t5350)
MP (t5060)
CO (t5100)
Button (t3390)
Hero (SB) (t6650)

Hero's M: 221.67

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, K
3 folds, Button bets t100, Hero raises to t1100, 1 fold, Button raises to t3390 (All-In), Hero calls t2290

Flop: (t6800) J, 5, 8 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t6800) 9 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t6800) 10 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: t6800

Results:
Button had Q, Q (straight, Queen high).
Hero had K, K (one pair, Kings).
Outcome: Button won t6800

lets look at the hand - ther is a player left behind you to act - he could have 77/88 you've lost value from him for starters.

Yes the button may well call off 95% of the time, but that doesn't make it the right play.

I don't know where my dig was CHD - he was going off at DRJFF and i was just pointed out that he was givin him advice -

[CHDad]

do i know you personally? just wondering cos your the first person to call me by my first name Jason


and on a sidenote, i did given you a reason why i didn't like it, and so have others,

life is too short to be throwing tantrums come on now


Sidenote: i never once said i was an expert MTT player but you don't have to be an expert to know the basics

You don't act like a expert but do come across like you are talking down to people sometimes imo, most of the time you are right though so meh.

Hands posted in BBV should never my dissected imo, if you want opinions there is a forum for that poker lark.

[shano_88]

lets look at the hand - ther is a player left behind you to act - he could have 77/88 you've lost value from him for starters.

Yes the button may well call off 95% of the time, but that doesn't make it the right play.

I don't know where my dig was CHD - he was going off at DRJFF and i was just pointed out that he was givin him advice -

If he wanted the hand dissected im sure he would have put in the hh theory section. He gave a valid enough reason to raise bigger. I dont really like it but i definetly understand it. You dont always have to take the standard 3x raise line.

[CHDad]

I don't know where my dig was CHD - he was going off at DRJFF and i was just pointed out that he was givin him advice -

This is a dig

i'm actually kinda happy that he sucked out on you now that you going mad.

Bad one too, but funnyish.


EDIT - I have also seen the superstar that is 72over overbet kinda like this a few times, it is not that bad a thing to do. If he does it we all should

[DrJFF]

You don't act like a expert but do come across like you are talking down to people sometimes imo, most of the time you are right though so meh.

Hands posted in BBV should never my dissected imo, if you want opinions there is a forum for that poker lark.

i do not intend to come across that way, i did state that in an earlier post that it was in here so who i am to judge but he asked i answered, he lashed out i called the rape hotline

[newbie2]

do i know you personally? just wondering cos your the first person to call me by my first name Jason

I don't know you personally but unlike others playing on stars I do my homework....

and on a sidenote, i did given you a reason why i didn't like it, and so have others

ahem...

the reason i think it is bad to make it 11x cos you fold out so many hands that you beat from other players at the table, it is not HU

There was only the BB to get by - and he was 76/16 or something like that - so Happy Days


Oh and BTW I know the basics.

[CHDad]

i do not intend to come across that way, i did state that in an earlier post that it was in here so who i am to judge but he asked i answered, he lashed out i called the rape hotline

I know you don't mean it. I only got involved cause I felt Ace was talking nonsense. Newbie quoted you and asked opinions and is obv drunk so is going defensive. Wouldn't blame you having a go at him (either will he tomorrow), just letting ya know how ya come across at times

It is really annoying when you post a beat and people jump on you though for bad play. He should have ignored and others should but out unless aksed, like me so I am off to post one liners and smilies elsewhere.

[Opr]

Funny Shit when he is trying to rap!

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/prahladfriedman

Opr

[72over]

I know you don't mean it. I only got involved cause I felt Ace was talking nonsense. Newbie quoted you and asked opinions and is obv drunk so is going defensive. Wouldn't blame you having a go at him (either will he tomorrow), just letting ya know how ya come across at times

It is really annoying when you post a beat and people jump on you though for bad play. He should have ignored and others should but out unless aksed, like me so I am off to post one liners and smilies elsewhere.

CHD IMO...

[Ste05]

Calm down folks...

There isn't a hard and fast rule on HH's in the BBV but the general way we work it in here is if someone posts a hand discuss it away, but they didn't post it to have a detailed discussion on it, if someone thinks it could be played differently/better feel free to tell them, but don't labour the point and just let it pass if you disagree...

This is the BBV and not the Theory forum, in the latter, thick skins are needed as they have asked for advice on their hands/play, in here people have only posted a hand for interest and general chat.

Can everyone just get on from here without the need for further action??

Can I have a group hug??

[Fuzzy Logic]

[DrJFF]

Calm down folks...

There isn't a hard and fast rule on HH's in the BBV but the general way we work it in here is if someone posts a hand discuss it away, but they didn't post it to have a detailed discussion on it, if someone thinks it could be played feel free to tell them, but don't labour the point.

This is the BBV and not the Theory forum, in the latter thick skins are needed as they have asked for advice on their hands/play, in here people have only posted a hand for interest and general chat.

Can everyone just get on from here without the need for further action??

Can I have a group hug??

he asked for my opinion on it only reason i gave it,


i'm down for a group hug

[CHDad]

Web cuddle ftw

[Denny Crane]

i;d kinda prefer a 6max or something for rollz tbh

[newbie2]

ok ok.

White wine + whisky = grrrrr

[Guest]

Ya ye pussies, less of this fighting
more feeling sorry for me, missing out on a IO seat in the $10 sat tonight

[CHDad]

CHD IMO...

Ugh, I take it all back. Newbie ya donk.

[pgodkin]

Ship the main event ticket for the Voodoo main event this weekend, picked it up in tonights €10 rebuy!

[Zuroph]

and me, running like god to the final 40 in the 2170 runner freeroll then imploding!

group hugz? i prefer PLs option, more old school BBV.

[Emmet]

and me, for finally busting my rakebackless FTP account..

What to do with the FTPs?

[newbie2]

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[CHDad]

and me, for finally busting my rakebackless FTP account..

What to do with the FTPs?

how many you got?

[Emmet]

1300 or so.

Just shy of being able to afford a baseball cap!

My brother's account has rakeback, so not sure if I'm gonna bother reloading my own account..