Bad beat/Moan/Venting Thread - BBV Archive 1

[dvdfan]

On the night is ok everywhere here afaik. Though the SE will charge you a fee, and refund it in casino chips. The fitz http://www.fitzwilliamcardclub.com/ is your best bet in general.

Membership at the time works everywhere as longas you have drivers license or passport. All we need to know now is what games you are looking for.

Cheers, looking to play some NL cash 1/2 presume its 200 min buyin?

[Emmet]

yummmmmmmmm

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 1.75 Tournament, 50/100 Blinds (7 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB (t2545)
UTG (t1320)
MP1 (t2835)
MP2 (t1390)
Hero (CO) (t1455)
Button (t2215)
SB (t1740)

Hero's M: 9.70

Preflop: Hero is CO with 10, 10
UTG calls t100, 2 folds, Hero bets t1455 (All-In), 2 folds, BB raises to t2545 (All-In), 1 fold

Flop: (t3060) 2, 5, Q (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: (t3060) 8 (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t3060) K (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: t3060

Results:
BB had 10, 10 (flush, King high).
Hero had 10, 10 (one pair, tens).
Outcome: BB won t3060

[whyno]

come the next Full moon I'm a coming for ya. Get some flesh on those bones, do you want the wolves to starve ?

I`m to hairy to be eaten

Anyway..time to get into training to run your old ass into the ground so wont be fattening up just yet

[ComradeCollie]

Cheers, looking to play some NL cash 1/2 presume its 200 min buyin?

You'll be surprised to hear that most live cash games here are PL. And min buy in is €50 I think. NL games are available when a few people request them, but they're not the standard.

[eagle eye]

Ernie was too good today. POD was never in contention and tried to push hard in the middle of the back 9. Ended up with a couple of bogeys but no shame in that. Tied for 3rd in only the 2nd big tournie of the year, hopefully he can push on from here.

Very nice time to be coming into form.

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[6starpool]

Cheers, looking to play some NL cash 1/2 presume its 200 min buyin?

50 is min buyin, and Pot Limit is standard, although over the last coupole of months, the Fitz have been running a NL game regularly, usually 1/2 with a live 5, but sometimes a 2/5 game as well with a live 10. It starts around 7 at pot limit I think, but may change over to NL once suggested, and after a few hours can get very deep. 2k pots at 1/2 are certainly not unheard of, although they wouldn't be the norm obviosuly either.

It is the best place for amount of players anyhow, and the shortstackers don't last too long or get into the main game once there are a couple of other games going generally.

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[carlop]

Cheers, looking to play some NL cash 1/2 presume its 200 min buyin?

Ha you're in for a real shock. Min buy-in tends to be 50 and most games are PL.

[hotspur]

If you report a post it will be noted, even if nothing seems to be done about it.

I love our mods. Somewhere there's an uptight Chinese woman bursting a football with her teeth right now.

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[Mellor]

Cheltenham, Cheltenham, Cheltenham


The champion hurdle looks interesting, Go native the fav, i'd be leaning towards binocular or Celes. Halo

Where's Noel?

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[6starpool]

I love our mods. Somewhere there's an uptight Chinese woman bursting a football with her teeth right now.

This has gone over my head I'm afraid, although I like the image.

[Flushdraw]

Hero call in the Sunday Million ftw. Was top 100 in chips but just lost a 70k pot so this felt good

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 215 Tournament, 400/800 Blinds 50 Ante (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Hand Converter from HandHistoryConverter.com

Button (t43512)
SB (t15152)
BB (t64049)
Hero (UTG) (t27795)
UTG+1 (t33675)
MP1 (t30208)
MP2 (t10518)
MP3 (t13861)
CO (t2589)

Hero's M: 16.85

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 4, 4
Hero bets t1960, 3 folds, MP3 calls t1960, 4 folds

Flop: (t5570) 5, 8, 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 checks

Turn: (t5570) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets t11851 (All-In), Hero calls t11851

River: (t29272) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: t29272

Results:
Hero had 4, 4 (straight, six high).
MP3 had A, J (high card, Ace).
Outcome: Hero won t29272

Oh and Nicky O D was right all along about Marcel Luske. Was at his table for about an hour in the 60k gtd and he was playing 39/13....fish!

[Ace]

Hero call in the Sunday Million ftw. Was top 100 in chips but just lost a 70k pot so this felt good

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 215 Tournament, 400/800 Blinds 50 Ante (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Hand Converter from HandHistoryConverter.com

Button (t43512)
SB (t15152)
BB (t64049)
Hero (UTG) (t27795)
UTG+1 (t33675)
MP1 (t30208)
MP2 (t10518)
MP3 (t13861)
CO (t2589)

Hero's M: 16.85

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 4, 4
Hero bets t1960, 3 folds, MP3 calls t1960, 4 folds

Flop: (t5570) 5, 8, 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 checks

Turn: (t5570) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets t11851 (All-In), Hero calls t11851

River: (t29272) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: t29272

Results:
Hero had 4, 4 (straight, six high).
MP3 had A, J (high card, Ace).
Outcome: Hero won t29272

Oh and Nicky O D was right all along about Marcel Luske. Was at his table for about an hour in the 60k gtd and he was playing 39/13....fish!

so you weren't callin wit the OESD ?

[pgodkin]

Hero call in the Sunday Million ftw. Was top 100 in chips but just lost a 70k pot so this felt good

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 215 Tournament, 400/800 Blinds 50 Ante (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Hand Converter from HandHistoryConverter.com

Button (t43512)
SB (t15152)
BB (t64049)
Hero (UTG) (t27795)
UTG+1 (t33675)
MP1 (t30208)
MP2 (t10518)
MP3 (t13861)
CO (t2589)

Hero's M: 16.85

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 4, 4
Hero bets t1960, 3 folds, MP3 calls t1960, 4 folds

Flop: (t5570) 5, 8, 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 checks

Turn: (t5570) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets t11851 (All-In), Hero calls t11851

River: (t29272) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: t29272

Results:
Hero had 4, 4 (straight, six high).
MP3 had A, J (high card, Ace).
Outcome: Hero won t29272

Oh and Nicky O D was right all along about Marcel Luske. Was at his table for about an hour in the 60k gtd and he was playing 39/13....fish!

What u didn't call him with your up and down straight draw and set draw, with the odds u were gettin im never folding in that spot! NH sir

[Mellor]

so you weren't callin wit the OESD ?

Obv FD doesn't do all that odds nonsense and goes with gut feeling, wp

[Ace]

lads would 13/13 be too tight for 6-max?

[Mellor]

lads would 13/13 be too tight for 6-max?

yeah, way too tight imo

[Flushdraw]

Obv FD doesn't do all that odds nonsense and goes with gut feeling, wp

Exacamondo!

Wouldn't be calling it off on a draw there. Gut feeling FTW! I didn't actually see the OESD when i checked the turn, but i still liked my call Gonna win the million tonight, i have that gut feeling you only get once in a blue moon!

[Ace]

yeah, way too tight imo

yea i was thinking that - just got HM there the other day and uploaded on my hands - not much mind you like only 12k at busto stakes but stats seemed a bit tight i think from seeing others.

[Mellor]

I haven't played Rush so I don't know if that changes it, but i'd be aiming fr at least 23/20. if anything, I'd open wider at rush I think

[pgodkin]

13/13 for 6 max is way to tight..... but 13/13 for 6 max of rush poker may be ok!

[RoadSweeper]

The stats are way too tight

[shano_88]

Id prob open 100% of btns and sbs when folded to in rush. 13/13 is way too tight.

[shano_88]

Exacamondo!

Wouldn't be calling it off on a draw there. Gut feeling FTW! I didn't actually see the OESD when i checked the turn, but i still liked my call Gonna win the million tonight, i have that gut feeling you only get once in a blue moon!

your full of gut feelings tonight! GL

[RoadSweeper]

Id prob open 100% of btns and sbs when folded to in rush. 13/13 is way too tight.

Open 100% utg and fire 3 barells imo

[dannydiamond]

Exacamondo!

Wouldn't be calling it off on a draw there. Gut feeling FTW! I didn't actually see the OESD when i checked the turn, but i still liked my call Gonna win the million tonight, i have that gut feeling you only get once in a blue moon!

Good luck my man, play the gut all the way to the finish line!!

[Ace]

O and how can i post shots of my stats - like is there a way other then copyin them to paint - like with PT3 one could just extract all stat easily.

[Ace]

poor beckham

[Flushdraw]

Good luck my man, play the gut all the way to the finish line!!

Wil try Danny...this helps

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 215 Tournament, 1000/2000 Blinds 200 Ante (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Hand Converter from HandHistoryConverter.com

MP2 (t19020)
Hero (MP3) (t74356)
CO (t32016)
Button (t18719)
SB (t32376)
BB (t46615)
UTG (t104885)
UTG+1 (t42626)
MP1 (t80673)

Hero's M: 15.49

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K, K
UTG bets t4000, 3 folds, Hero calls t4000, 4 folds

Flop: (t12800) Q, K, 6 (2 players)
UTG bets t8000, Hero calls t8000

Turn: (t28800) 8 (2 players)
UTG bets t10000, Hero raises to t26000, UTG calls t16000

River: (t80800) 4 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets t24000, UTG calls t24000

Total pot: t128800

Results:
UTG mucked K, 10 (one pair, Kings).
Hero had K, K (three of a kind, Kings).
Outcome: Hero won t128800

[RoadSweeper]

O and how can i post shots of my stats - like is there a way other then copyin them to paint - like with PT3 one could just extract all stat easily.

Whats so awkward about exporting to paint?

Also, post up your position stats and we can see where you should loosen up a bit. I'm amazed at your cold calling range. My cold call range is higher than your vpip.

[dannydiamond]

I rarely do this but you just know this dope has AK and that he'll propably call anyway.
Rarely get annoyed by this anymore but this really p1ssed me off for some reason.


Limit - Level XX (750/1500) - 2010/03/15 0:26:26 WET [2010/03/14 20:26:26 ET]
Table '301010677 328' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: JDLade (12560 in chips)
Seat 2: samat1 (55345 in chips)
Seat 3: Diamondgeeza (46137 in chips)
Seat 4: bill441 (39844 in chips)
Seat 5: oxtrucker (28462 in chips)
Seat 6: pucelazo (52631 in chips)
Seat 7: pinkweb (94450 in chips)
Seat 8: clarkkent33 (25295 in chips)
Seat 9: publiconions (12496 in chips)
JDLade: posts the ante 175
samat1: posts the ante 175
Diamondgeeza: posts the ante 175
bill441: posts the ante 175
oxtrucker: posts the ante 175
pucelazo: posts the ante 175
pinkweb: posts the ante 175
clarkkent33: posts the ante 175
publiconions: posts the ante 175
JDLade: posts small blind 750
samat1: posts big blind 1500
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Diamondgeeza [9h 9d]
Diamondgeeza: raises 3000 to 4500
bill441: folds
oxtrucker: raises 3000 to 7500
pucelazo: folds
pinkweb: folds
clarkkent33: folds
publiconions: folds
JDLade: folds
samat1: folds
Diamondgeeza: calls 3000
*** FLOP *** [8d 8s Th]
Diamondgeeza: checks
oxtrucker: bets 6000
Diamondgeeza: raises 32462 to 38462 and is all-in
oxtrucker: calls 14787 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (17675) returned to Diamondgeeza
*** TURN *** [8d 8s Th] [Qc]
*** RIVER *** [8d 8s Th Qc] [Jd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Diamondgeeza: shows [9h 9d] (a straight, Eight to Queen)
oxtrucker: shows [Kd Ad] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
oxtrucker collected 60399 from pot

[Ace]

Whats so awkward about exporting to paint?

Also, post up your position stats and we can see where you should loosen up a bit. I'm amazed at your cold calling range. My cold call range is higher than your vpip.

well nothing but i just assumed that there was an extract button as there is for PT3, and also there is a save image feature for the graph bit. Would it be the button/CO that i need to open up more? O and if i should include any more stats just ask, just getting used to HM atm.

[Guest]

Jees Ace....your CO and BTN stats are ridic tight. You should be playing 30% of hand on the button at least.

[Ste05]

poor beckham

Ah no!!

Although probably really good for England as he was gonna be picked for political/historical reasons instead of Football reasons IMO. That said I would have loved him to have been there

[Ste05]

Jees Ace....your CO and BTN stats are ridic tight. You should be playing 30% of hand on the button at least.

Yeah, you could probably even tighten up UTG and defo loosen WAY WAY WAY up on the btn and CO

[RoadSweeper]

Ace,it looks like you have 12%-13% range of top hands that you play from any position.

You need to loosen up as you get into later positions. Think of your position stats like a pyramid shape.

Utg - 12%
UTG+1 - 13%
MP - 16%
CO - 25%
BTN -35-40-%

(This isnt what you need to go out an achieve, this is more so to show how your range of hands changes as you get into later positions. There is loads of top articles on position and its importance and i think you should read one.)

Also, dont be obsessed with achieving looser stats, but rather learn and understand why you can play more hands and be more profitable, which will lead to looser stats

Also, there is little difference between your VPIP and PFR. This is indicates you never cold call. What do you do with small-mid pocket pairs facing a raise from ep?

[Emmet]

Ace, your post made me look properly at my HEM for the first time in months

I'm a fuckin retard in the blinds, and its killing me.



Time to get supatight

[Ace]

Ace,it looks like you have 12%-13% range of top hands that you play from any position.

You need to loosen up as you get into later positions. Think of your position stats like a pyramid shape.

Utg - 12%
UTG+1 - 13%
MP - 16%
CO - 25%
BTN -35-40-%

(This isnt what you need to go out an achieve, this is more so to show how your range of hands changes as you get into later positions. There is loads of top articles on position and its importance and i think you should read one.)

Also, dont be obsessed with achieving looser stats, but rather learn and understand why you can play more hands and be more profitable, which will lead to looser stats

Also, there is little difference between your VPIP and PFR. This is indicates you never cold call. What do you do with small-mid pocket pairs facing a raise from ep?

i basically adopted a raise or fold attitude.

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[Mellor]

The thing that stood out for me was the fact that you are looser UTG than on the button, regardless of sample size this is a poor indicator. Steal more imo

[hotspur]

Hotspur, would you use the reading of nonverbal behaviour much in your counselling? Just finished a non-academic book on it "What Every Body is Saying" by Joe Navarro. Thinking about reading more on it at a more advanced level and not sure in what direction to go. Was thinking either:

Vrij, A (2003) "Detecting lies and deceit: the psychology of lying and the implications for professional practice"

or

Ekman, P (2003) "Emotions revealed: recognising faces and feelings to improve communication and emotional life"

Would you have any knowledge of these, or an alternative better reading on the topic?

(also watching the excellent 'Lie to Me' with Tim Roth, so getting a little bit of nonverbal overload at the moment!)

Yeah nonverbal communication is important in counselling, not so much the analysis of it, but rather a broad sense of what the client is communicating with their body. So the focus is more on the communication of emotion and not "Is this person lying?" or "Ooh, he twirled his hand, that means X or Y".

I studied body language many years ago and wasn't impressed by what I found, but I may not have looked well enough, and there appears to have been progress made in the area since.

I haven't read any of the ones you mention, though I do recall reading some stuff from Navarro in the past. As far as I know, and you can correct me having read his book, micro-expressions are the only really good way to reliably tell when someone is lying. All the things that people think are indicators are idiosyncratic. It's like poker tells, its the pattern of behaviour of the individual which gives them away, not single instances of generic behaviour.

Flicking through a therapy book on my book mountain beside me (I couldn't sleep one night this week and instead of counting sheep I counted the number of books I am actively reading, as defined as having started since new year, not finished, and intend to finish, it was 16 and 2 more arrived since), here's a few resources mentioned:

Website that's a major resource:

http://campus.usal.es/~nonverbal/introduction.htm

A nonverbal dictionary from the centre for nonverbal studies in America:

http://center-for-nonverbal-studies.org/6101.html

You can pick this book up for a cent:
[ame]http://www.amazon.com/Nonverbal-Behavior-Interpersonal-Relations-5th/dp/0205372465[/ame]

Here's a paper on Nonverbal Decoding Skills and Relationship Well-Being in Adults:

http://www.springerlink.com/content/q7785483m8p57040/

I'm reading a book by Martin Seligman (the founder of the field of positive psychology) at the moment and he mentioned Möbius syndrome which is a rare condition where the sufferer cannot make facial gestures such as smile (they also sleep with their eyes open). Because of their lack of emotional facial expressiveness they tend to not be able to keep even casual friends according to Seligman. Just goes to illustrate how important nonverbal communication of emotion is.

Actually I highly recommend the Seligman book (ignore the populist title of it):
[ame]http://www.amazon.co.uk/Authentic-Happiness-Psychology-Potential-Fulfilment/dp/1857883292/[/ame]

This has gone over my head I'm afraid, although I like the image.

Random comparing of our wonderful mods who will note things but not necessarily act on them versus that old wicked witch of the soccer forum Guanying or whatever she was called.

edit: hey look , little Amazon icons, hehe.

[TommyGunne]

Never thought Id get to call Ace a meganit but there ya go!

For a huge nit, you go to showdown too often and win way too often at showdown. It seems to me that you are coupling extreme nittiness pre with far too much calling post. Play more hands and call less postflop.

Your 3b% is very very high for microstakes too imo. Id usually 3b a lot less at the micros cos peoples opening ranges are usually not overly loose. Particularly at rush when you have little to no reads on peoples opening % by position.

Oh and obv you can steal a hell of a lot more from btn and co!

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[tylerdurden94]

Hitchhiker i wasnt the biggest fan of The Slammin Salmon, i had really hoped for a little more maybe because i had waited so long for it to come out maybe that skewered my view. It aint no Super Troopers

[pgodkin]

Ace,it looks like you have 12%-13% range of top hands that you play from any position.

You need to loosen up as you get into later positions. Think of your position stats like a pyramid shape.

Utg - 12%
UTG+1 - 13%
MP - 16%
CO - 25%
BTN -35-40-%

(This isnt what you need to go out an achieve, this is more so to show how your range of hands changes as you get into later positions. There is loads of top articles on position and its importance and i think you should read one.)

Also, dont be obsessed with achieving looser stats, but rather learn and understand why you can play more hands and be more profitable, which will lead to looser stats

Also, there is little difference between your VPIP and PFR. This is indicates you never cold call. What do you do with small-mid pocket pairs facing a raise from ep?

I've played a couple of 100 hands and my stats that i can remember are 21/21 Ave cant tell u for sure my other laptop crashed but i have a <100 on this one and it says im 33/33 (all rush poker FYI) can any one tell me if they cam across any good threads on other forums regardin your own stats in rush poker! also any truth that the light 4 bet come back in style?????

in Keeppin with this RS, tell me what should the PFR be against the Above VPIP based on position?????

[pgodkin]

i basically adopted a raise or fold attitude.

not the best idea at rush alot of the time u can call pre, and raise them off the flop from what i've seen cbettin flop is standard raise everything post if PFR#er cbets; raise air, marginal and strong draws/hands and the nut hands too, pays off as far as i can see! obv this is micro 5nl rush poker

[Semibluff]

complete guess work - but id think that the amout of people who cbet/fold the % of the time, would be alot higher on rush poker than normal speed. One reason being that theyve no reason not to think the re-raiser is a nit. And also there may be a little bit more willingness to let a hand go - because there will be another simular situation very quickly - which may increase the % of people who "give up" on hands

but only theory

[smoothcall]

lol at Ace been a rock. very wierd i must say. I remember you 4 betting me with KQ , respected you back then.

[TommyGunne]

And I remember calling a shove in a 3bet pot with a pair of 6s. Wouldn't be doing that stuff vs a 12/12 guy though!

[Mellor]

I reckon its an elaborate ploy by Ace to get a rock image in the Fitz

[Raoul Duke III]

bump for the Cheltenham Fantasy League

$70 to play, I will take entries up until 1pm tomorrow

[Bubbleking]

lol at Ace been a rock. very wierd i must say. I remember you 4 betting me with KQ , respected you back then.

got me to fold a set only to be shown Q high in the fitz - if that was now i would have called so fast i would have left scorch marks on the felt

lol nostalgia FTW

[Wreck]

Well that was one expensive weekend. Lost my jacket and i-pod, €75 for a ticket to the match, 4 meals in various restaurants and a skinful of beer wine and cocktails. Reckon the whole thing cost me approx 1,200 and I didn't even leave Dublin! Most definitely not worth it.

[Solskjaer]

Wh hoo, Spring is here, the Squirrels are awake.

[Loki]

Wh hoo, Spring is here, the Squirrels are awake.

Nut peddlars imo.

[Solskjaer]

did you see your picture in Poker Europa Magazine?

Never even heard of it. Fk me, if it's from the deepstack my hobo image has been bolstered.

[Wreck]

Some good news to cheer me up on a Monday morning - bye bye Phil Brown