Bad beat/Moan/Venting Thread - BBV Archive 1

[Iago]

I'm now pretty convinced that the 3 y/o is pulling a sickie (stuffing her face with chocolate, beating up the dog and marching around shouting her head off)

cunning, devious - and a rabid reactionary

I'm a great role model imo

I read this as being some rant at Irish 3Y yields told in story fashion just because I saw the poster first, and was trying to figure out what the chocolate and dog symbolised....

Irish 10Y yields will probably hit 7% this week - jumping up from last weeks highs again today

the 'measure of fuckedness', as emmet so excellently put it, just got even more elevated

and we're back on form!!

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[Iago]

Also ISP's regulary throttle connection speeds for peer to peer (torrents), whereas RS etc are all regular HTTP downloads

this is one of the main reasons tbf.

They really don't though. Or at least eircom (who most people are still with, heavy downloaders are with eircom or UPC for the most part) don't.

That isn't to say that they won't at any point, but they don't have DPI on their network at the moment and there's significant work and investment involved in setting it up. At the moment they just tot up everything you do regardless of traffic type.

[ghostface]

What's the line up for the IPB Blogging team for Killarney then - Danny and Dom is it?

[Lord Sir Banter]

In fairness, cars and bikes are also fairly fatal if you drive them off a cliff

It would be a poor advertisement for said car firm too!

Don't try to detract from the extreme ironing Mr Hitchhiker's Guide!

[AndyFatBastard]

With a torrent, your ip address is publically available to everyone who is also downloading that torrent. So when the MPAA want to see who's been pirating their films, all they have to do is find a torrent and read the tracker. With Rapidshare there's only one person who knows who you are, and there's at least some element of trust there. Especially on paid or private networks.

So basically, very little chance of getting sued.

[AndyFatBastard]

Segway scooter firm owner dies after riding off cliff

Not the greatest advertising ever.
Continue the research.

Apparently he named his one "Louise".

[Iago]

With a torrent, your ip address is publically available to everyone who is also downloading that torrent. So when the MPAA want to see who's been pirating their films, all they have to do is find a torrent and read the tracker. With Rapidshare there's only one person who knows who you are, and there's at least some element of trust there. Especially on paid or private networks.

So basically, very little chance of getting sued.

If you're caught out using torrents it'll be in part because of dummy files placed there by the company in question. The bigger issue is where the actual piracy occurs, i.e. downloading a file isn't of itself an offence that's punishable under law. It's the uploading of copyrighted material that's against the law. By the nature of how torrents work you are uploading copyrighted information therefore you are breaking the law.

I'm not trying to defend torrents btw, I've never used them and never will partly because of the above but mostly because they are inefficient at best.

[DeadParrot]

They really don't though. Or at least eircom (who most people are still with, heavy downloaders are with eircom or UPC for the most part) don't.

That isn't to say that they won't at any point, but they don't have DPI on their network at the moment and there's significant work and investment involved in setting it up. At the moment they just tot up everything you do regardless of traffic type.

I know they are monitoring P2P ports though, as least DSL providers are.
I also know one or two ISP's, again DSL, are introducing a 3 strikes format

[Semibluff]

im looking to use my laptop webcam (inbuilt on my dell studio xps) as a camcorder. I Want to record a small 2 minute snipet, and then attach it to an email.

Has anyone ever done this? could they recommend software or help with instructions please??

Please send me a pm if you can - incase i miss it here - Cheers lads!

[Iago]

I know they are monitoring P2P ports though, as least DSL providers are.
I also know one or two ISP's, again DSL, are introducing a 3 strikes format

Yeah eircom have introduced the 3 strike format, but it's not them doing it and it's restricted to music files only at the moment. Effectively IRMA will send eircom IP addresses of people who have been tracked illegally sharing music files and eircom will send them a letter reminding them that such use is not permitted.

After a 3rd warning that person is disconnected, but how it will all work, be implemented and enforced is still up for discussion afaik. Ultimately I don't see it making any major waves in reality, it's an exercise in messaging imo.

[Keane]

As we're on the subject, could anyone get me some Groove Armada albums from their cousins in the next ten minutes or so?

PM if necessary obv...

[Lord Sir Banter]

I tape all my songs off the radio, hope I don't get caught.

[DeadParrot]

Yeah eircom have introduced the 3 strike format, but it's not them doing it and it's restricted to music files only at the moment. Effectively IRMA will send eircom IP addresses of people who have been tracked illegally sharing music files and eircom will send them a letter reminding them that such use is not permitted.

After a 3rd warning that person is disconnected, but how it will all work, be implemented and enforced is still up for discussion afaik. Ultimately I don't see it making any major waves in reality, it's an exercise in messaging imo.

agreed, but it's a very small step from that to full traffic monitoring.
The information is already there and it is quite easy to implement.
Of course, that'll cover ALL traffic.

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[6starpool]

What's the line up for the IPB Blogging team for Killarney then - Danny and Dom is it?

TBC.

[DeadParrot]

Am i right in thinking that rapid can't be distinguished from regular traffic and its only by actually finding all the files and putting them together that you can know what was downloaded?

yes and no.
Yes because technically it is possible using Urls
No because it is more trouble that it is worth.

What I meant is monitoring excess traffic....say over 50-60gb a month on a 1mb connection will raise a flag somewhere.

[Iago]

Am i right in thinking that rapid can't be distinguished from regular traffic and its only by actually finding all the files and putting them together that you can know what was downloaded?

technically speaking deep packet inspection could be used to pull together contents of your web browsing, emails, VoIP calls, password settings etc and as such could show what you're downloading.

In fact there are already companies providing software that does exactly that to certain governments/rulers around the world.

Generally speaking though no ISP really cares what you're downloading. What they are concerned with is managing traffic on their network and ensuring that their network performance is sufficient to prevent customer unrest.

P2P is an easy target because of the nature of the transfers and the fact that it's so easy for a "body" to plant dummy files and then track the IPs of anybody who tries to download/upload them.

[Iago]

yes and no.
Yes because technically it is possible using Urls
No because it is more trouble that it is worth.

What I meant is monitoring excess traffic....say over 50-60gb a month on a 1mb connection will raise a flag somewhere.

This is true and happens today, some ISPs will charge for over-use, some throttle all usage & some actually perform a disconnect on users until the following month.

Ultimately I think we'll see most (all) ISPs moving to a PAYG type model for broadband where you'll be charged a nominal fee on a monthly basis, say €5 or similar but will only get a very small data allowance of 500Mb or so. You'll then have the option to buy a pack of data or pay as you use data on top of that.

ISPs need to find a way to monetise traffic on their networks. The likes of RS is a prime example, millions of people paying XX per year in order to get access to files etc but the ISP is not getting anything from that. Youtube, Google etc are another prime example with advertising revenues from Youtube and video streaming all going to the content provider an the ISP providing the pipe and network infrastructure being out of pocket.

The big issue (in Ireland) is that the number of internet savvy users who are actually downloading large amounts of information on a monthly basis is miniscule. Moving to a model that charges on a usage basis would see a huge downturn in revenues right now, but as user behaviour changes and we see a move towards much higher internet usage in general the model will change accordingly.

[tylerdurden94]

They really don't though. Or at least eircom (who most people are still with, heavy downloaders are with eircom or UPC for the most part) don't.

That isn't to say that they won't at any point, but they don't have DPI on their network at the moment and there's significant work and investment involved in setting it up. At the moment they just tot up everything you do regardless of traffic type.

UPC did at one stage throttle torrents that was one of the main reasons why I switched.

What's the line up for the IPB Blogging team for Killarney then - Danny and Dom is it?

Got a PM from Dom last night, he is 100% from what I heard im about 80% sure I will be going down, I for some reason thought it was a UKIPT thing only dawned on me last night it was the Ladbrooks thing

I think there is room for up to 5 people, BK said he was up for up and im not too sure of others yet but anybody thats around the weekend should stop by and say hello it really is some laugh.

Would be sweet if we were able to snag a decent camera

im looking to use my laptop webcam (inbuilt on my dell studio xps) as a camcorder. I Want to record a small 2 minute snipet, and then attach it to an email.

Has anyone ever done this? could they recommend software or help with instructions please??

Please send me a pm if you can - incase i miss it here - Cheers lads!

I know with logitech cameras you can download some software that will let you make recordings, surely there must be some dell equivalent I would guess.

[Semibluff]

theres numerous links when i google the question - although had terrible problems before when i downloaded when it wasnt from a reliable source. Also, if someone had used it before, would be very helpful for ease of use - id fly through it

thanks though danny

[6starpool]

Got a PM from Dom last night, he is 100% from what I heard im about 80% sure I will be going down, I for some reason thought it was a UKIPT thing only dawned on me last night it was the Ladbrooks thing

I think there is room for up to 5 people, BK said he was up for up and im not too sure of others yet but anybody thats around the weekend should stop by and say hello it really is some laugh.

Would be sweet if we were able to snag a decent camera

A specialised photographer should be there with us. Trying to confirm it. I'll be driving and can give you a lift if that helps.

[Bubbleking]

Been mulling over a strange enough thought for the last few hours and chatted it over with the gf and brother and none of us can see a flaw in it yet.

Have teaching on a Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and the rest of the time is research. The hours can be kept that flexible into the future. All programme director hours can be done in that time as well, and most of it is by email anyway. My plan at the moment is to fly back to Dublin to meet the gf every second week for Thursday through Monday.

But now I'm thinking ... I'll just move back to Dublin full stop and then fly back here for the three days of teaching per week which only happen about 26 weeks of the year. It's £55 for the return flight including transport and then £60 for the three nights in a crappy hotel over here. So not that much on a monthly basis....

Really can't see the flaws in the plan, and here is such a kip. The gf and myself have lived together for a small bit, so no huge surprises in that department.

Please point out some potential flaws as an advance warning!

Just seen this now which got me thinking - am I the only one who does absolutely sweet FA during my "research hours". Im supposed to be doing 20 a week and I consider it solid if I do 2. as always I look to you H2G2

[6starpool]

theres numerous links when i google the question - although had terrible problems before when i downloaded when it wasnt from a reliable source. Also, if someone had used it before, would be very helpful for ease of use - id fly through it

thanks though danny

There should be a Dell Webcam Manager tray icon on your screen (bottom right corner). There is on my Dell and it lets me record and save clips. The sound and audio aren't synced though.

[DeadParrot]

The big issue (in Ireland) is that the number of internet savvy users who are actually downloading large amounts of information on a monthly basis is miniscule. Moving to a model that charges on a usage basis would see a huge downturn in revenues right now, but as user behaviour changes and we see a move towards much higher internet usage in general the model will change accordingly.

This is very true.
Compared to Mary in Mayo who pays for a BB connection she never uses, you are looking at less than 10% who go over 30odd gb.
Of course the top 10-15 are LOL massive

[AndyFatBastard]

If you're caught out using torrents it'll be in part because of dummy files placed there by the company in question.

No, that was the case with Napster, not any more. When you use a Torrent, your ip address and therefore the fact that you are downloading the item is public information. That's the problem with torrents.

The bigger issue is where the actual piracy occurs, i.e. downloading a file isn't of itself an offence that's punishable under law. It's the uploading of copyrighted material that's against the law. By the nature of how torrents work you are uploading copyrighted information therefore you are breaking the law.

Yes this is definitely a big issue with torrents. That said, with the ACTA treaty currently in the works, all this is going to change very soon.

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[Keane]

Think the secret is getting rid of the clutter, so have been insta-dealing with emails for the last while and that definitely helps. Also reading a book called "Getting Things Done" and looking at this: http://www.pomodorotechnique.com/ but haven't tried it out.

Funny that - Tim Ferriss recommends looking at email twice a week in 4-Hour Work Week.

Getting Things Done any good?

[Iago]

This is very true.
Compared to Mary in Mayo who pays for a BB connection she never uses, you are looking at less than 10% who go over 30odd gb.
Of course the top 10-15 are LOL massive

Aye, tiny numbers even over 10Gb when you take every ISP into consideration. I'm proud to say that I've consistently been in the top coupld of hundred users over the last couple of years, of course I've never got around to actually watching any of it (hence why I only started The Sopranos last week)

No, that was the case with Napster, not any more. When you use a Torrent, your ip address and therefore the fact that you are downloading the item is public information. That's the problem with torrents.

Yes this is definitely a big issue with torrents. That said, with the ACTA treaty currently in the works, all this is going to change very soon.

It's still the case, companies are still planting dummy files with/without viruses on P2P networks. It's not the only factor that gets someone caught, as you say the availability of IP addresses also adds to it, but it is a factor.

The irony being of course that nobody who has the first idea what they're doing (i.e. the really heavy downloaders/uploaders) will ever be caught out by this because they are either not using P2P or hiding their identities when they are using it.

[Starvin Marvin]

This is true and happens today, some ISPs will charge for over-use, some throttle all usage & some actually perform a disconnect on users until the following month.

Ultimately I think we'll see most (all) ISPs moving to a PAYG type model for broadband where you'll be charged a nominal fee on a monthly basis, say €5 or similar but will only get a very small data allowance of 500Mb or so. You'll then have the option to buy a pack of data or pay as you use data on top of that.

ISPs need to find a way to monetise traffic on their networks. The likes of RS is a prime example, millions of people paying XX per year in order to get access to files etc but the ISP is not getting anything from that. Youtube, Google etc are another prime example with advertising revenues from Youtube and video streaming all going to the content provider an the ISP providing the pipe and network infrastructure being out of pocket.

The big issue (in Ireland) is that the number of internet savvy users who are actually downloading large amounts of information on a monthly basis is miniscule. Moving to a model that charges on a usage basis would see a huge downturn in revenues right now, but as user behaviour changes and we see a move towards much higher internet usage in general the model will change accordingly.

That would suck balls.

Just checked my eircom account and ive downloaded 700gigs in the past 3 months.
Allowance is 80gigs a month.

Say that would have cost me a lot of cash if it was PAYG.

[Bubbleking]

Phantom Lord - they might be looking for a new mod of this forum on boards. You stepping up?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showt...p?t=2056042018

[6starpool]

Phantom Lord - they might be looking for a new mod of this forum on boards. You stepping up?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showt...p?t=2056042018

From that thread, is that nutjob mysterious banned?

[Iago]

That would suck balls.

Just checked my eircom account and ive downloaded 700gigs in the past 3 months.
Allowance is 80gigs a month.

Say that would have cost me a lot of cash if it was PAYG.

Have you been moved to the NGB service yet?

If you go over your limit on that, they're charging already although it may not have kicked in for you yet.

[Bubbleking]

From that thread, is that nutjob mysterious banned?

I have no idea - I try to read that forum sometimes but I rarely get by the home page with such topics as;

9/11
Is Gay Byrne Gay
Is there an Agenda to dumb down the common person
More 9/11
WW3 is over!
More 9/11

etc etc

It does be entertaining though when P_L tries to reason

[6starpool]

I have no idea - I try to read that forum sometimes but I rarely get by the home page with such topics as;

9/11
Is Gay Byrne Gay
Is there an Agenda to dumb down the common person
More 9/11
WW3 is over!
More 9/11

etc etc

It does be entertaining though when P_L tries to reason

Anyhoo, reply to my PM.

[Starvin Marvin]

Have you been moved to the NGB service yet?

If you go over your limit on that, they're charging already although it may not have kicked in for you yet.

No.

Max 8mb line, they can shove it up their gash.

I get 14mb down at all times on my current line so im sticking with that.

[Sledgejammer]

I thought Eircom charged if you went over by default? Thankfully I've nothing to do with them anymore anyway...

700gb's in three months is very impressive, by the way!

[CHDad]

From that thread, is that nutjob mysterious banned?

Yeah think he was, chap has serious issues. He must sit in his room paranoid as fuck 24/7

Love that forum. Should be renamed Looney Toons.

[hotspur]

Think the secret is getting rid of the clutter, so have been insta-dealing with emails for the last while and that definitely helps. Also reading a book called "Getting Things Done" and looking at this: http://www.pomodorotechnique.com/ but haven't tried it out.

And don't forget simple behaviourist principles. As sad as it sounds today I was marking exams and "rewarded" myself after each one by letting myself read the ww thread. Now to be fair the ww thread was uncommonly good today. But delaying things which are pleasurable as rewards for doing stuff reinforces doing the stuff in the future (unfortunately it may also result in rushing towards the end of such stuff to get the reward).

[Kayroo]

Song has been stuck in my head all day. Class.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s86K-p089R8[/ame]

[KevIRL]

Reminder all, the latest installment of the IPB league is on at 8.15, NLH.

Password...http://www.irishpokerboards.com/foru...ead.php?t=5582

[Bless You]

I tape all my songs off the radio, hope I don't get caught.

Home taping is killing music... And it's illegal.

<insert cassette and cross bones picture here>

[MrsFlushdraw]

Just came back from town with a treat.

The Munchy Box has now reached Letterkenny lol

I no longer have to wait till I visit the family in Scotland

[Guest]

New Simpsons has to be one of the worst ever.

[DeadParrot]

Selling a Trace Elliot 712 SMC


Have been offered €175 for it.
Personally, I think thats a little low.
Anyone have any opinions

[KevIRL]

Home taping is killing music... And it's illegal.

<insert cassette and cross bones picture here>

[Fullof..It]

Is Rapidshare acting the maggot for anyone else?

[CHDad]

Just came back from town with a treat.

The Munchy Box has now reached Letterkenny lol

I no longer have to wait till I visit the family in Scotland

Is that the pick'n'mix of deep fried heaven?

[KevIRL]

Is Rapidshare acting the maggot for anyone else?

You need to go to settings and change your download settings to allow direct downloads. That should sort it

[6starpool]

Is Rapidshare acting the maggot for anyone else?

Look back at posts from around 3pm today, perhaps a bit afterwards.

[Solskjaer]

Selling a Trace Elliot 712 SMC


Have been offered €175 for it.
Personally, I think thats a little low.
Anyone have any opinions

I'd like to know wtf that is,

[DeadParrot]

I'd like to know wtf that is,

bass amp
its all gone to shit since phil lynott died

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[Guest]

Lol. Just checked my rapidshare account to set the direct download option, I bought 90 days service back in June and just noticed that I have enough rapid points to keep me going until Nov 2011 under the new system. What was all the fuss about?

[shano_88]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-xd3NuWQI0[/ame]

[Angry-Ball]

where do i find the ipb league game for tonight in pp

[KevIRL]

http://www.irishpokerboards.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5582

In the lobby go to PPP exclusives and then IPB league

[Angry-Ball]

crisis adverted, found it

[Angry-Ball]

http://www.irishpokerboards.com/foru...ead.php?t=5582

In the lobby go to PPP exclusives and then IPB league

thanks kev
but had found it through frantic searching