Bad beat/Moaning/Venting thread - Mammy told me not to come.

[DeadParrot]

that's honestly hilarious

[Tar.Aldarion]

I am not sure this is in the same realm but may be of interest to her. Ryanair is currently advertising for Tech Services Engineer programme which primarily seems to be looking for a technology degree of some sort.

Opr

That's pretty cool, seems to be a lot of related jobs, courses, apprenticeships in that field.

Candidates must have qualified in 2017 or 2018

Pity she won't qualify as I'm sure physics will have changed loads in the last 5 years

[ghostface]

Off-topic, if indeed anything can be off-topic, but the growth of solar energy is ridic. Who would have thought all those hot countries were sitting on a goldmine. China last year installed the equivalent of the entire French energy market in renewable energy, mostly solar. They're far from not polluting the world, but its still a notable thing.

Mexico building power not walls at ridic low costs.

Currently working on planning for the largest solar farm in the Country. Been quite a lot permitted over last 18 months here but still none built in Ireland but few moving forward to construction now.

[Tar.Aldarion]

Just got tickets for macbeth, anybody seen this version? http://bordgaisenergytheatre.ie/inde...rtist/macbeth1

[Raoul Duke III]

Just got tickets for macbeth, anybody seen this version? http://bordgaisenergytheatre.ie/inde...rtist/macbeth1

Going Sat week so don't spoiier the end pls.

[coillcam]

that's honestly hilarious

The best part is the Irish woman @ 0:50s in who's flabbergasted and actually watched jaws the same day.

[DeadParrot]

The best part is the Irish woman @ 0:50s in who's flabbergasted and actually watched jaws the same day.

[Raoul Duke III]

After attending The Betting Forum, good man.

You haven't offered me the right appearance fee yet.

My seminar on 'AW jockey bookings and when to increase your stake 10x' is marvelled at by all who hear it.

[Theresa]

Thatsthejoke.jpg

I enjoyed the anticipation on waiting for this to be posted.Then I thoroughly enjoyed seeing it.

[Opr]

The final table of the PSC streaming. 5 million up top and the top 6 all become millionaires. Shakerchi the first player just eliminated with a sick beat holding AA against AQ all in preflop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svi5NVy5TJA

Opr

[Guest]

The final table of the PSC streaming. 5 million up top and the top 6 all become millionaires. Shakerchi the first player just eliminated with a sick beat holding AA against AQ all in preflop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svi5NVy5TJA

Opr

Thanks for sharing, RDIII clearly enjoying the stream too.

https://imgur.com/a/PKHnh8C

[Opr]

Thanks for sharing, RDIII clearly enjoying the stream too

Are you watching the current hand? Talk about ICM suicide. How does he shove AJ in that spot? It is a 250k pay jump.

Edit - This ICM situation with the 2bb stack is creating some epic situations. Fair play to Martini for going for it on the river.

Opr

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[Lazare]

Has anyone tried those blue light blocking glasses?

[Wombatman]

Didn't think they were this badly paid to be fair.

[Guest]

Has anyone tried those blue light blocking glasses?

The Japanese work for 40 years to design a blue LED, win the Nobel prize for it, now cunce want glasses to block it out!

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[Solksjaer!]

Goodnight Granpa.


congrats

[DeadParrot]

According to PayScale.com, the median salary for a registered nurse (RN) in the UK is £23,000. With bonuses, and other compensation, an RN with less than 20 years of experience may earn up to £34,105. Nurses with more than 20 years of experience can expect to make 15% more than these average amounts.

I've no idea why you chose this hill hitch

[Guest]

It's €38k a year - and that's with her taking some parental leave to reduce her hours to 36 a week.

Maybe you think thats low pay, but its huge by any international comparison for nursing.

Absolute top of the nurse pay scale in the UK is €31,000. Senior nurse with 10 years experience in France earns €28,000.

42k full time equivalent which would take a PhD, couple of years postdocing and a couple of points on the lecturer scale to get to. Not exactly overflowing with sympathy.

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They wouldn't happen to be having any sort of major staffing crisis for nurses in the UK or anything would they?

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[oleras]

Wow

[Guest]

We need PSV to do a review for the sake of completeness, but this is fairly optimistic about the future of meatless burgers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Auo_fDH0ZWo

Googled “is impossible burger envrontally friendly “ and here’s my cut and paste job from the 1st result tldr-no

Impossible Foods’ meatless burger is marketed as a healthy and environmentally responsible choice.
The key ingredient that gives the Impossible Burger its meaty taste and makes it bleed like meat when cut is soy leghemoglobin (SLH), derived from genetically engineered yeast.
The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) refused to sign off on the safety of SLH, which has never been in the human food supply before.
The FDA is also concerned that SLH may be an allergen.
The Impossible Burger contains a number of other ingredients that are derived from genetically modified organisms (GMOs).
Some ingredients in the Burger are highly processed and are produced in industrial vats (“fermentation”).
The GM yeast must be grown in a nutrient-rich broth made of chemically synthesized ingredients that are themselves industrially manufactured.
Overall, the manufacturing processes for the Impossible Burger are materials-hungry and energy-hungry. These facts are being ignored in promotional claims about the environmental impact of the Burger.
The Impossible Burger represents the opposite of what today’s health-aware and environmentally conscious consumers want from their food: pure, natural, non-GMO ingredients that are transparently sourced


I’ll pass. Tech bros aren’t gonna save us from shit

[Guest]

Lol, Bezos didn’t have a prenup, hope he gets rinsed

[Wombatman]

42k full time equivalent which would take a PhD, couple of years postdocing and a couple of points on the lecturer scale to get to. Not exactly overflowing with sympathy.

Given the similarity I would have thought you would be ideal position to sympathize \ empathize. Looking at what the top tier earn in third level, and considering how inept some of them are, surely you are aggrieved at the inequality.

[oleras]

What a call

[Tar.Aldarion]

We need PSV to do a review for the sake of completeness, but this is fairly optimistic about the future of meatless burgers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Auo_fDH0ZWo

Beyond Burgers just came to Ireland to Tesco, expensive as fuck but really good. Will give this Impossible 2.0 a go in a few months in NY.
To your grandkids you'll be the crazy old man that ate meat from real animals, as they pat your head over their lab grown steaks.

Has anyone tried those blue light blocking glasses?

I have a pair and I really like them, really reduced any tiredness to non-existent but I imagine I'm at a computer much more than you. Mine also have a small magnification which I really love.

Googled “is impossible burger envrontally friendly “ and here’s my cut and paste job from the 1st result tldr-no

Impossible Foods’ meatless burger is marketed as a healthy and environmentally responsible choice.
The key ingredient that gives the Impossible Burger its meaty taste and makes it bleed like meat when cut is soy leghemoglobin (SLH), derived from genetically engineered yeast.
The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) refused to sign off on the safety of SLH, which has never been in the human food supply before.
The FDA is also concerned that SLH may be an allergen.
The Impossible Burger contains a number of other ingredients that are derived from genetically modified organisms (GMOs).
Some ingredients in the Burger are highly processed and are produced in industrial vats (“fermentation”).
The GM yeast must be grown in a nutrient-rich broth made of chemically synthesized ingredients that are themselves industrially manufactured.
Overall, the manufacturing processes for the Impossible Burger are materials-hungry and energy-hungry. These facts are being ignored in promotional claims about the environmental impact of the Burger.
The Impossible Burger represents the opposite of what today’s health-aware and environmentally conscious consumers want from their food: pure, natural, non-GMO ingredients that are transparently sourced


I’ll pass. Tech bros aren’t gonna save us from shit

They got FDA approval. GMO's are good. Fermentation isn't a scary word.

[Raoul Duke III]

Solid evening of dining, drinking and gambooling with the Horse Head Elite.

Sad to see the current state of the Sporting Aquarium. RIP.

[Denny Crane]

Googled “is impossible burger envrontally friendly “ and here’s my cut and paste job from the 1st result tldr-no

Impossible Foods’ meatless burger is marketed as a healthy and environmentally responsible choice.
The key ingredient that gives the Impossible Burger its meaty taste and makes it bleed like meat when cut is soy leghemoglobin (SLH), derived from genetically engineered yeast.
The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) refused to sign off on the safety of SLH, which has never been in the human food supply before.
The FDA is also concerned that SLH may be an allergen.
The Impossible Burger contains a number of other ingredients that are derived from genetically modified organisms (GMOs).
Some ingredients in the Burger are highly processed and are produced in industrial vats (“fermentation”).
The GM yeast must be grown in a nutrient-rich broth made of chemically synthesized ingredients that are themselves industrially manufactured.
Overall, the manufacturing processes for the Impossible Burger are materials-hungry and energy-hungry. These facts are being ignored in promotional claims about the environmental impact of the Burger.
The Impossible Burger represents the opposite of what today’s health-aware and environmentally conscious consumers want from their food: pure, natural, non-GMO ingredients that are transparently sourced


I’ll pass. Tech bros aren’t gonna save us from shit

Reads like a chem-trails post on facebook, making an argument with buzzwords.. Nothing wrong with "fermentation".

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[eamonhonda]

And I don't mind if nurses are paid more. Why not? I just think depriving ill people of operations to get more money is a shitty thing to do.

Why is it the nurses fault, if they paid them there'd be no strike and all the operations. Convenient strikes don't have same impact.

[Lazare]

Googled “is impossible burger envrontally friendly “ and here’s my cut and paste job from the 1st result tldr-no

Impossible Foods’ meatless burger is marketed as a healthy and environmentally responsible choice.
The key ingredient that gives the Impossible Burger its meaty taste and makes it bleed like meat when cut is soy leghemoglobin (SLH), derived from genetically engineered yeast.
The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) refused to sign off on the safety of SLH, which has never been in the human food supply before.
The FDA is also concerned that SLH may be an allergen.
The Impossible Burger contains a number of other ingredients that are derived from genetically modified organisms (GMOs).
Some ingredients in the Burger are highly processed and are produced in industrial vats (“fermentation”).
The GM yeast must be grown in a nutrient-rich broth made of chemically synthesized ingredients that are themselves industrially manufactured.
Overall, the manufacturing processes for the Impossible Burger are materials-hungry and energy-hungry. These facts are being ignored in promotional claims about the environmental impact of the Burger.
The Impossible Burger represents the opposite of what today’s health-aware and environmentally conscious consumers want from their food: pure, natural, non-GMO ingredients that are transparently sourced


I’ll pass. Tech bros aren’t gonna save us from shit

''This review was not written by Big Cow, no sireee, nothing to see here. Moove along'

[Lazare]

Nurses would have to be extremely desperate to make this move. I'm finding it difficult to think in any way bad of that group of people.

Right behind you though Hitch when it comes to Luas and Bus drivers. They can go fuck themselves when they're at it.

[Guest]

Why is it the nurses fault, if they paid them there'd be no strike and all the operations. Convenient strikes don't have same impact.

I agree convenient strikes don't have the same impact but I think leveraging the well-being of people in order to accomplish it is different than the mass disruption caused by train or bus drivers for example.
Productivity will be affected and major disruption caused but no one will potentially die as a direct result.

Healthcare workers striking in this way may have a direct adverse impact on innocent bystanders.
It's a difficult situation as we all know, it's a tough job and irrespective of Hitch's point around median salaries globally, it still seems inadequate to me.
That said, I still think a mass action like this has too many potentially adverse consequences and shouldn't be implemented given they're already stretched at this point.

[Wombatman]

It's not inequality though. Higher performance in academia earns higher wages. Full prof positions are then the reward for going through those hoops. How are they inept?

Could quote plenty of articles on falling world rankings, poor value for puplic money, gender wars, etc but this one sums it up for me. It's event better than the story on the ULs presidential residence.

Who will be held accountable for this clusterfuck? Have most profs in Ireland bnen through a performance system or did they just get auto increments related to time served? Tell us more of these hoops ye jump through.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/student-fees-refunded-on-concern-over-quality-of-course-1.3580300?mode=amp

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[Wombatman]

Don't be swayed but Hitch's promise of lower taxes for everyone. Sure how would we pay for free education then?

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[Guest]

Given the similarity I would have thought you would be ideal position to sympathize \ empathize. Looking at what the top tier earn in third level, and considering how inept some of them are, surely you are aggrieved at the inequality.

Pretty much everyone who I've encountered to date has been at the right grade for their competence. There's a tough interview process to jump through the grades and a full professor will have a made a serious contribution over a long career. Some of them might be dicks but they'll have earned their way there.

[Wombatman]

Don't get me wrong, I saw some incredibly inefficient things when working there. But the education outcomes are excellent. And thats what unis are judged on. That small journalism course you note is the absolute exception. Hence why it was newsworthy.

We are not falling the others are just rising. LOL.

It's news worthy because it is a complete farce and the tip of the iceberg. I'm sure the students involved had to jump through hoops to get a remedy. If more students were this capable we would see a lot more of these cases.

Gender wars. Again the tip of the iceberg.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/high-court/discrimination-action-involving-female-nuig-lecturers-resolved-1.3576043?mode=amp

I’m not defending the health service, just my point that those in third level who preside are too well paid and it shouldn't be a surprise that those at the bottom appeal for more. A similar inequality exists in the health service. Surely those lower down in both sectors should be capable of empathising with eachother given their similar circumstances.

[Wombatman]

No education in Ireland at any level is free! Irish uni fees are second highest in Europe. But its your money, so if you think its a good idea that people graduate at 22 with €40k then thats what democracy is all about. Seems like a highly stoopid idea though. Only the lovely Tories of all European parties like the idea of indentured youth, and I'm not sure they're the best role models.

Knew I should have used the rolleyes emoji.

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[Raoul Duke III]

The Trump collusion noose is being pulled tight very fast.

Collusion is now an established fact - with Russian intelligence (which means Putin OK'd it). The election interference is an established fact. Trump's campaign manager, his son and his personal lawyer all being directly implicated are established facts.

The only piece of the puzzle left is Trump's direct involvement.

And then it's this:

[DeadParrot]

I agree convenient strikes don't have the same impact but I think leveraging the well-being of people in order to accomplish it is different than the mass disruption caused by train or bus drivers for example.
Productivity will be affected and major disruption caused but no one will potentially die as a direct result.

Healthcare workers striking in this way may have a direct adverse impact on innocent bystanders.
It's a difficult situation as we all know, it's a tough job and irrespective of Hitch's point around median salaries globally, it still seems inadequate to me.
That said, I still think a mass action like this has too many potentially adverse consequences and shouldn't be implemented given they're already stretched at this point.

Siptu arent joining in
This is interesting...

“We do not believe that stepping outside process will deliver what we want to achieve over the short to medium term," Mr Bell told RTÉ Radio 1’s Today programme. “This year, in September, there's a 1.75% pay increase due under the Public Service Agreement and in October next year there's a 2% agreed pay increase due. We are also concerned that if we get involved in disputes outside of process that those payments will be withheld from our members. Government are indicating that to us all the time.

“We’re pursuing the strategy of making sure that our members are getting the benefits of the public service agreements and indeed whatever comes out of future negotiations."
Speaking on the same programme, Dave Hughes, Deputy Secretary General of the INMO said Siptu was entitled to its opinion but what his members are seeking is pay restoration following recession-era cuts, not pay increases.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/siptu-nurses-will-not-join-their-colleagues-in-strike-action-over-pay-896601.html

So is it a pay restoration?
That kind of murders your theory of market value Herr Hitch

[Keane]

Is this that classic pivot the argument move? I like it!

First thank DPs fake news then rather than mentally accept he suckered you into confirmatory bias, decide to instead introduce a whole new argument.

But to answer your question, UK doesn't have a notably different shortage of nurses to anywhere else. They carry out operations efficiently and quickly, and have low A&E wait times that would be the envy of Irish people - who have both way more nurses per capita and pay them way more.

I thanked his post for the 'rock to perish on' line rather than the figures, because I think your argument is a strange one to pick and that your attempts to use UK nurse pay as a sort of illustration of the 'market rate' for pay is slightly weird.

I think it's worth pointing out that while your conversion of £28,746 to €31,772.44 is the number Google gives, if you were to use the exchange rate on the 1/1/16, i.e. a few months before the Brexit vote which has sent the country into a spiralling mess, the conversion would have come out at ~€39,000.

I think if someone was making an argument around UK wages for something you took the opposite opinion on you would think this was a salient point.

On the other matter, if I put 'NHS Staffing' into Google I see:

NHS suffering worst ever staff and cash crisis, figures show
NHS 'could be short of 350,000 staff by 2030'
NHS staff shortages could reach 250 000 by 2030 without urgent ...
The Government is failing to address NHS staff shortages says RCN ...
Training nurses in Eastern Europe 'could solve the NHS staffing crisis ...
NHS staff vacancies rise nearly 10% in three months amid unfolding ‘national emergency’, report shows

Siva Anandaciva, chief analyst at the King’s Fund think tank, said the figures show the NHS is heading for another “tough winter”, adding: “Widespread and growing nursing shortages now risk becoming a national emergency and are symptomatic of a long-term failure in workforce planning, which has been exacerbated by the impact of Brexit and short-sighted immigration policies.”

There were 11,576 vacant doctors posts and 41,722 unfilled nursing jobs in English trusts – with the biggest nursing gaps (14.8 per cent of posts) in London where cost of living makes recruitment even harder.

The number of nursing vacancies rose by 5,928 (17 per cent) in three months and the Royal College of Nursing said the government should immediately investigate the sudden rise.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...-a8532701.html

Similarly in Ireland where:

Four nursing jobs are available in Ireland for every qualified nurse applying, the latest Health Service Executive figures show.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/heal...work-1.3573125

Like, if you want to use the 'market rates' line then work away, but if we were talking about four jobs for every applicant to economic researcher posts I would think the conclusion we would reach is that the market rates aren't high enough to attract sufficient numbers.

[Guest]

Reads like a chem-trails post on facebook, making an argument with buzzwords.. Nothing wrong with "fermentation".

Fermentation in vats though. Evil stuff!

Hey made it clear I was posting the 1st search result ! I know there’s nothing wrong with fermentation. The main concerning part of that was the FDA concerns, I see FDA have since approved that soy constituent for use (without the concerns really being addressed from what I can see)
I suppose the thing that really matters is the the cost of fossil fuel energy per calorie produced. If it’s way lower than real meat then yay I guess. Though I’m still not going to eat it for the same reason I won’t eat calvita cheese slices

[DeadParrot]

“I’m saying this would be (an) incredibly damaging breach of trust and it would also be very bad for Britain’s reputation abroad, having decided to leave the EU, if we in the end for whatever reasons found we weren’t able to do it.”

A frankly astounding statement from Jeremy Hunt

[Denny Crane]

Has anyone tried those blue light blocking glasses?

Was looking into getting them. I've been using f.lux for about 10 years now which does the job.

Read a book recently by the guy that discovered the effects of blue light on sleep, mad discovery in terms of impact, every (?) device nowadays has a setting to reduce it at night time. I've my hue lights set up for extra blue in the morning, and reduced blue at night, probably makes fuck all difference considering my sleep pattern.

[Denny Crane]

Nurse friend of mine was saying that she will still work during the strike but won't be paid? Is that a regular occurrence?

She was actually asking me advice because the different unions are striking different days, so she's not sure about passing the picket and the wtr aspects of it.

"speaking a different language there"

[Keane]

Seems like the big issue is that €38,000 is decent pay for someone with a degree, as long as they don't live in Dublin. Its that €38,000 isn't a huge amount of money in Dublin.

As said though, the key point is its your money. The budget is balanced - meaning every penny in is being spent. If you want to spend future surplus money on increasing nurse pay thats a valid decision.

Personally think its better to give generalised tax breaks that benefit everyone, rather than just spending it on the groups that shout loudest (and promise nothing in return). Don't get why a nurse on €38k deserves a pay increase and not a builder on €38k. Which is what is proposed to happen, as there won't be any money left for the builder to benefit from a tax break.

Sorry Hitch I missed this post on the way through - I would say I'm totally open to being convinced that generalised tax breaks are a better way to go (surprise surprise) but in fairness I don't think necessarily think it's up to the nurses unions to agitate for tax breaks for builders if you know what I mean.

On the subject of the balanced budget I would say if we are happy that there isn't a penny being wasted anywhere and the only way to increase the pay of nurses is for me to pay more tax, I would find it far less painful than most other reasons to have to fork out more.

They should probably fire Ryan Tubridy into the sun and give his portion of my TV license to a nurse.

[Denny Crane]

Sorry Hitch I missed this post on the way through - I would say I'm totally open to being convinced that generalised tax breaks are a better way to go (surprise surprise) but in fairness I don't think necessarily think it's up to the nurses unions to agitate for tax breaks for builders if you know what I mean.

On the subject of the balanced budget I would say if we are happy that there isn't a penny being wasted anywhere and the only way to increase the pay of nurses is for me to pay more tax, I would find it far less painful than most other reasons to have to fork out more.

They should probably fire Ryan Tubridy into the sun and give his portion of my TV license to a nurse.

Think we should take it out of the budget for the army.

[Tar.Aldarion]

Pretty much everyone who I've encountered to date has been at the right grade for their competence. There's a tough interview process to jump through the grades and a full professor will have a made a serious contribution over a long career. Some of them might be dicks but they'll have earned their way there.

I was taught by one guy who was just there because he brought money to the university, a lot of it. He was caught stealing lab equipment and selling it online and nothing happened to him. The lab technicians organised a sting to see who was stealing. He was absolutely useless.

Another guy was fired because he never showed up for class...because he was teaching in two universities at once, secretly. At least he had a book out and did research and was good at it.


Brother doing phd talks of how rife it is that even people he admired before getting this far, have been completely fudging their research, making stuff up. Universities put up with it because they are high profile names now, off the back off publishing nonsense and the prestige is more important than silly old facts anyway.
I guess it is serious perceived contribution that matters. A lot easier to do this stuff outside a hard science I guess, as his more humanities science.

[Raoul Duke III]

Think we should take it out of the budget for the army.

How about just benchmarking PS salaries and conditions to the (western) EU average?