Bad beat/Moaning/Venting thread - Mammy told me not to come.

[ghostface]

The houses should be developed . If you want the privilege to live in our beautiful city , do your bit to maintain your property or lose it. Imo

All the derelict properties in the city are in the main being developed as tourist accommodation or office use at the moment, any DCC work I've done in the past couple of years has been hotels and offices. Not sure if to do with costs but I'd say 95% of the residential developments we work on are not in cities.

[Keane]

Not a fan in the slightest of the types of people who occupy these buildings, but Honda's point is reasonable. There's two things you can do with property: develop it for delivering property now, or let it lie derelict for a few years as a speculative play on future property prices. It's not really ideal that the second option is there given how much housing is needed, and even though its the owners right, it doesn't seem to be in the public interest. And the public has a valid interest in usage of scarce property that has some ability to override private property rights. Now, if they'd just properly tax the speculator leave-derelict types this problem would disappear, so that seems a better approach.

This obviously isn't an option open to the protesters - the 'occupation' is a harmless stunt to highlight the fact that the government are doing nothing to discourage this hoarding of vacant properties.

Some cunt in Limerick bought a lovely old Georgian house on the riverside down the road from us several years ago, threw up a hoarding and actively encouraged the site to go to rack and ruin so he could come along now years later and say it's irretrievable. Sure I might as well knock it and put up an absolutely rotten little block of three apartments and a cafe.

SPOILER

We have all been calling for years upon years for Fine Gael to implement a meaningful vacant property tax. They have been waving their hands about it for nearly as long while the housing crisis plunged off a cliff.

Eventually people lose their shit at the inaction and start to force the issue with stunts like this - what else is there to do?

This meaningful vacant property tax being implemented in reaction to these protests is absolutely inevitable by the way, and these protest harpies that seem to annoy everyone so much will be as forgotten as they will have been effective.

[Arazi]

I must say I’m overly surprised to see the Socialist outpourings on this thread today.

[ArmaniJeans]

I must say I’m overly surprised to see the Socialist outpourings on this thread today.

There's been a pleasing change towards the left on IPB over the last few years, a combination of our Jeremey Corbyn love-in from last May/June and the general problem that being on the right nowadays means sharing space with Rees-Mogg and Trump.
Keep the red flag flying comrade.

[Tar.Aldarion]

I had an idea a while back that needed to be properly fleshed out. A gin club, small group of people, either you send a bottle of gin to next person on list or we go bigger and send the same bottle to everyone in it. It would be expensive once but you would be getting a lot of different types to try.

You might like something like Flaviar, have used it a good few times to get 6 packs of 50ml tastings of spirits or just full bottles on sale. https://flaviar.com/
It's nice as a group to do too I'd say.

[Denny Crane]

There's been a pleasing change towards the left on IPB over the last few years, a combination of our Jeremey Corbyn love-in from last May/June and the general problem that being on the right nowadays means sharing space with Rees-Mogg and Trump.
Keep the red flag flying comrade.

Think we knew it was all over when HJ moved to the left. What happened the HJ of old that stole rolls with sweetcorn from the homeless?

[Guest]

I must say I’m overly surprised to see the Socialist outpourings on this thread today.

That woman Margaret cash 7 kids before 30 and expects and demands the state to pay.Its our culture boss where's me house beside me mammy through in a few stables for me sulky horse to.

[Raoul Duke III]

Some good deals at Tesco

I've often flirted with picking up a bottle of either.

Kindly buy both and give us a review so that I can attack Duty Free in a suitably focussed manner next time.

[Raoul Duke III]

There's been a pleasing change towards the left on IPB over the last few years, a combination of our Jeremey Corbyn love-in from last May/June and the general problem that being on the right nowadays means sharing space with Rees-Mogg and Trump.
Keep the red flag flying comrade.

I think you might be projecting here. I doubt our group is any different from the general trend to become more conservative as you get older.

(And knowing that Trump and racist populists are fuckwits is not a left-wing opinion )

[eamonhonda]

That woman Margaret cash 7 kids before 30 and expects and demands the state to pay.Its our culture boss where's me house beside me mammy through in a few stables for me sulky horse to.

Is that the kids fault? Should they be left to live in street because you don't like their mother?

[Hectorjelly]

Think we knew it was all over when HJ moved to the left. What happened the HJ of old that stole rolls with sweetcorn from the homeless?

Haha I'd forgotten all about that.

[Raoul Duke III]

Is that the kids fault? Should they be left to live in street because you don't like their mother?

The mother gets over €50k p.a. in State benefits. Cash.

If her life is so chaotic that she can't house and feed her children with those kind of resources, then the kids would be better off taken into care.

[DeadParrot]

I must say I’m overly surprised to see the Socialist outpourings on this thread today.

not so much socialist as budding or new homeowners whose entry into the market is hindered by vacant speculation buys.

https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.3479414,-6.3463974,3a,75y,24.29h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSAf0fJPTBPeyOTzef9MDWQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

This entire block for example is vacant years....it's been sold more than once as far as I remember but nothing is ever done with it.

[eamonhonda]

The mother gets over €50k p.a. in State benefits. Cash.

If her life is so chaotic that she can't house and feed her children with those kind of resources, then the kids would be better off taken into care.

If she isn't fit then sure do that. Don't bark about how she had x amount of kids so fuck the lot of them.

[Guest]

Is that the kids fault? Should they be left to live in street because you don't like their mother?

Think if your going to have that many children you should be able to afford them. How much in benefits are this family going to cost then the next feral generation and so on. Some sort of contraception or sterilisation contract needs to be done before huge family's live off the state for life.

[Silver-Tiger]

The mother gets over €50k p.a. in State benefits. Cash.

If her life is so chaotic that she can't house and feed her children with those kind of resources, then the kids would be better off taken into care.

When i first seen the picture. My first question to the person that showed me was "is she a traveller?". When the answer was yes. I stopped caring about them.

Poor form i know but i'm 33 and have never once had an experience that couldn't be described as horrific with Travellers. Old debate i know but i can't see myself(or a load others) ever change their thinking about that group.

I even think the Anti Austerity / PBP crowd have given up on her and are hoping she disappears.

[Guest]

I believe various opinions I have could be classified on both sides of the current political spectrum but calling for things such as sterilisation and not caring about a story you may have otherwise because people are from the travelling community is just ridiculous to me.

[Tar.Aldarion]

Way ahead of you RD, here's a litre from duty free a couple years back as it can be very cheap there. Big fan of it! Not had the other.

Think if your going to have that many children you should be able to afford them. How much in benefits are this family going to cost then the next feral generation and so on. Some sort of contraception or sterilisation contract needs to be done before huge family's live off the state for life.

Ah yes the old "only multi-millionaires can have kids" as the rest of us can't assure our economic future.
It's not even her fault most likely, people are raised in poverty and with no education and asked why can they not act educated and well brought up?
Tackle the problem, don'd blame the outcome.

[Raoul Duke III]

If she isn't fit then sure do that. Don't bark about how she had x amount of kids so fuck the lot of them.

I don't see anyone doing that. The kids are blameless.

I feed, house, clothe and generally look after my family for amount similar to that €50k a year.

The difference of course being that's out of my after-tax income, that I paid 50% tax on. And I abide by the law and sensible societal norms.

So yeah, fuck Margaret Cash. Which isn't what you think people are saying....

[Solksjaer!]

Think if your going to have that many children you should be able to afford them. How much in benefits are this family going to cost then the next feral generation and so on. Some sort of contraception or sterilisation contract needs to be done before huge family's live off the state for life.

It's irrelevant if she can afford them or not. This isn't China. Once the kids are born they are part of the future. We should be looking at giving those kids every opportunity to be healthy and educated for the benefit of all.

[eamonhonda]

I don't see anyone doing that. The kids are blameless.

I feed, house, clothe and generally look after my family for amount similar to that €50k a year.

The difference of course being that's out of my after-tax income, that I paid 50% tax on. And I abide by the law and sensible societal norms.

So yeah, fuck Margaret Cash. Which isn't what you think people are saying....

Agreed to most part. But now the kids are in the world let's make sure they are taken care of.

[RichieM]

I must say I’m overly surprised to see the Socialist outpourings on this thread today.

Hardly socialist, the state and semi states bodies are the biggest hoarders of all so not talking about turning these over to them to develop.

Not having your main streets filled with wrecked buildings is good for businesses in the area or at least not negatively impacting them.

Current situation is just a massive waste of resources which is a pure capitalists worst nightmare. Need to maximize those returns.

I think most in here are pretty left learning really except for some on taxation and infra spending where moving to the right is the logical if not emotional choice.

[Guest]

It's irrelevant if she can afford them or not. This isn't China. Once the kids are born they are part of the future. We should be looking at giving those kids every opportunity to be healthy and educated for the benefit of all.

Maybe we should be more like China. Anyhow this distinct ethnic group get more money social services and everything else thrown at them with great tesuots.

[Raoul Duke III]

Agreed to most part. But now the kids are in the world let's make sure they are taken care of.

So what, in your view, does that entail?

[RichieM]

The mother gets over €50k p.a. in State benefits. Cash.

If her life is so chaotic that she can't house and feed her children with those kind of resources, then the kids would be better off taken into care.

Biggest problem is that it gets so much press coverage we think that it’s a huge problem. She is a serious outlier in irish society in terms of what she expects the state to pay for.

It’s basically the margin that shops put in place to cover shoplifting or the amount bars expect to loose from each keg from spillage. Cost of doing business and not really much point in worrying about it

[eamonhonda]

So what, in your view, does that entail?

Give them a house or if the mother is that bad put them into care.

[Raoul Duke III]

Biggest problem is that it gets so much press coverage we think that it’s a huge problem. She is a serious outlier in irish society in terms of what she expects the state to pay for.

It’s basically the margin that shops put in place to cover shoplifting or the amount bars expect to loose from each keg from spillage. Cost of doing business and not really much point in worrying about it

She went looking for the press coverage. Therefore she's (not her kids) fair comment.

I know what you're saying but I don't agree with it. Some tough love in SW policy might deliver good LT results.

[Raoul Duke III]

Give them a house or if the mother is that bad put them into care.

She gets over €4k per month cash. Where does that money go?

Let her rent a house.

[Raoul Duke III]

SPOILER

This should shut AJ up.

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[Guest]

Maybe we should be more like China. Anyhow this distinct ethnic group get more money social services and everything else thrown at them with great tesuots.

They get more money than?
Do you think they get more social support than other people who have similar needs to them? If you do think that, is it based on any evidence or is that just simply your opinion?

[Strewelpeter]

A woman I know was driving down the country with her 9 year old boy in the car the other day when they turned a corner and the landscape opened up into a stunning view of the mountains the kid gasped "Oh Mammy! look at the graphics "

[ArmaniJeans]

SPOILER

This should shut AJ up.

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I'd be fairly much in your corner on the Margaret Cash story.
I do think it's a bit of an extreme case though and we can't really read too much into it. It's an easy win for the rightwing viewpoint. But it's not the norm out there.

The Frederick St/landlords sitting on vacant property/squatters/eviction conversation was much more interesting.

[Raoul Duke III]

I'd be fairly much in your corner on the Margaret Cash story.
I do think it's a bit of an extreme case though and we can't really read too much into it. It's an easy win for the rightwing viewpoint. But it's not the norm out there.

The Frederick St/landlords sitting on vacant property/squatters/eviction conversation was much more interesting.

Just tax the fuck out of vacant\derelict sites.

[Tar.Aldarion]

No one gives out about the professional activists that claimed our country back from rule of the monarchy and the buildings they occupied during that time, I think the lads need to take the GPO.

[ghostface]

Just tax the fuck out of vacant\derelict sites.

Vacant Site Levy kicks in from 1st January 2019 AFAIR. There is a minimum size of site its applicable to and I imagine that there will be some legal challenges once a levy is eventually issued to someone. Council's own a decent % of the vacant lands also so you'd think it would encourage them to develop it for housing

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[Guest]

I must say I’m overly surprised to see the Socialist outpourings on this thread today.

Pink Gin socialists

[Raoul Duke III]

In the Margaret Cash case by the way it was highly misreported. Her state income was about €30k at best as €20k was towards rental allowance, but she couldn't claim (and wasn't claiming) that as the system is set up so stupidly that its really hard to claim especially in current market. So her 'income' was €30k - not excessive by any means when you have 7 kids and even if you have 1 kid.

You're wrong on both counts. It's €50k (confirmed by a social worker ) and it's excessive.
Remember that the taxpayer is also paying out for her husband's accomodation at approx €60k p.a.

Benefits cap is one of the few things the UK government got right in the last while. We should have one too.

[Denny Crane]

Copying the Rubberbandits is no way to go through life son.

I was thinking about that earlier. Dublin city was destroyed, hundreds of civilians killed. It's bizarre historical revisionism to look down on the Dubliners at the time not being onboard with the fellas from 1916.

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[Strewelpeter]

In the Margaret Cash case by the way it was highly misreported. Her state income was about €30k at best as €20k was towards rental allowance, but she couldn't claim (and wasn't claiming) that as the system is set up so stupidly that its really hard to claim especially in current market. So her 'income' was €30k - not excessive by any means when you have 7 kids and even if you have 1 kid.

So wait, my mortgage payments don't come out of my income Confused.gif

[Denny Crane]

Free to Choose
Theodore Dalrymple
Autumn 1996

Last week, a middle-aged man was brought to my hospital in a desperate condition. He had discharged himself from a mental hospital against medical advice three weeks before; arriving home, he had found the prospect of life with his wife no more inviting than that of life in the wards of an asylum. He had taken himself to the center of the city, where he camped out in the open in a small public garden next to a luxury hotel. There he stayed, eating nothing and drinking little, until he was eventually found unconscious and so dehydrated that the blood had thickened and clotted in one of his legs, which was gangrenous and therefore had to be amputated.

What story could better illustrate the supposedly callous indifference and cruel individualism of our society than that of a man left nearly to die in the middle of the city, next to a hotel with rooms at $200 a night, in the full gaze not only of the guests but of thousands of his fellow citizens, all for the lack of a little water?

https://www.city-journal.org/html/free-choose-12288.html

[Tar.Aldarion]

We should have a benefits cap. But without wanting to question the insights of any social workers you may know - but quite simply, a homeless person does not get paid accommodation allowance due to the very absence of an accommodation . Plus, the system for getting accommodation allowance for a landlord is horrifically complicated even if they wanted to be fair about it.

It's a disaster for even poorer working people or people that lost their job to rent anywhere, let alone homeless people. Can imagine how fair a LL will be when they ask for work references You can get like €1k P/M rent allowance for a single place with HAP and still nobody accepts these people.

[Dice75]

If they cant afford all the overheads there is always option C...

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-spent-6700-on-pizza-with-neighbours-bank-card-as-she-lay-dead-in-flat-for-two-years-37307681.html

[eamonhonda]

She gets over €4k per month cash. Where does that money go?

Let her rent a house.

A large portion of that is child benefit which everyone is entitled too, and I'm pretty sure another portion would he unclaimable rent allowance.

[shrapnel]

It's a disaster for even poorer working people or people that lost their job to rent anywhere, let alone homeless people. Can imagine how fair a LL will be when they ask for work references You can get like €1k P/M rent allowance for a single place with HAP and still nobody accepts these people.

A lot of landlords would take them on if rent allowance was paid directly to the landlords, but it's not so why take the risk? it's a shit system from what i remember. just like in everything else, a large number of honest people suffer prejudice due to the pricks who abuse the system.

[Guest]

It's a disaster for even poorer working people or people that lost their job to rent anywhere, let alone homeless people. Can imagine how fair a LL will be when they ask for work references You can get like €1k P/M rent allowance for a single place with HAP and still nobody accepts these people.

No disrespect but anyone that is unemployed at this moment and time does not deserve a free house. Long term unemployed that is. Why do you think landlords won't accept rent allowance or hap. Maybe they have the delusion that a working person will have some respect for the place and be more reliable wth payments etc. Infarness I sure if the likes of Eanonhonda had a property to rent a traveller lady and her lovely bunch of kids would be most welcome.

[Tar.Aldarion]

A lot of landlords would take them on if rent allowance was paid directly to the landlords, but it's not so why take the risk? it's a shit system from what i remember. just like in everything else, a large number of honest people suffer prejudice due to the pricks who abuse the system.

HAP is paid to the landlord. Does have some problems though

[eamonhonda]

No disrespect but anyone that is unemployed at this moment and time does not deserve a free house. Long term unemployed that is. Why do you think landlords won't accept rent allowance or hap. Maybe they have the delusion that a working person will have some respect for the place and be more reliable wth payments etc. Infarness I sure if the likes of Eanonhonda had a property to rent a traveller lady and her lovely bunch of kids would be most welcome.

If it was between that and leaving kids on the street, I would 100 percent rent it to them or offer to sell to state to house them

[Guest]

I've often flirted with picking up a bottle of either.

Kindly buy both and give us a review so that I can attack Duty Free in a suitably focussed manner next time.

Sipsmith is a good Gin, clean... Lads who founded the company however are a couple of wealthy London...

Let's just say awell to do lawyer I once met, who was on about £250k and probably a lot more now, thought they were snobs

*Their sloe Gin is really good as is the damson vodka (if they still make it)

[Guest]

If it was between that and leaving kids on the street, I would 100 percent rent it to them or offer to sell to state to house them

Fair play think you are lying though Give her a message on Facebook ready made family for you handy out. Hole like a bucket after all them kids doubt you would know the difference though.

[eamonhonda]

Fair play think you are lying though Give her a message on Facebook ready made family for you handy out. Hole like a bucket after all them kids doubt you would know the difference though.

Hahaha! I'll give you that one.

I'm along way from affording my own house nevermind a spare one to rent so we won't get testing the theory unfortunately.

[Raoul Duke III]

Free to Choose
Theodore Dalrymple
Autumn 1996

Last week, a middle-aged man was brought to my hospital in a desperate condition. He had discharged himself from a mental hospital against medical advice three weeks before; arriving home, he had found the prospect of life with his wife no more inviting than that of life in the wards of an asylum. He had taken himself to the center of the city, where he camped out in the open in a small public garden next to a luxury hotel. There he stayed, eating nothing and drinking little, until he was eventually found unconscious and so dehydrated that the blood had thickened and clotted in one of his legs, which was gangrenous and therefore had to be amputated.

What story could better illustrate the supposedly callous indifference and cruel individualism of our society than that of a man left nearly to die in the middle of the city, next to a hotel with rooms at $200 a night, in the full gaze not only of the guests but of thousands of his fellow citizens, all for the lack of a little water?


https://www.city-journal.org/html/fr...ose-12288.html

That's very well written.

I think to jump to today, drugs would take the place of drink in the majority of cases.

[Raoul Duke III]

Margaret Cash case is ridiculous really. It's so ridiculous, it's probably not even worth discussing:



She turned down perfectly good accomodation in Meath. Then refused to top up her HAP by €100 per month to get accomodation - rather play the media game and shoot for a council house.

As a taxpayer, you kinda expect to be taken for a ride. But this level is special, then with added entitlement and bullshit outrage on top. This, by the way Eamo, is part of the reason you can't afford a house.

[Denny Crane]

That's very well written.

I think to jump to today, drugs would take the place of drink in the majority of cases.

He's my new favourite writer

[Denny Crane]

As a taxpayer, you kinda expect to be taken for a ride. But this level is special, then with added entitlement and bullshit outrage on top. This, by the way Eamo, is part of the reason you can't afford a house.

You'd enjoy this one too


Just as it is easier to recognize ill health in someone you haven't seen for some time rather than in someone you meet daily, so a visitor coming into a society from elsewhere often can see its character more clearly than those who live in it. Every few months, doctors from countries like the Philippines and India arrive fresh from the airport to work for a year's stint at my hospital. It is fascinating to observe their evolving response to British squalor.


At the start, they are uniformly enthusiastic about the care that we unsparingly and unhesitatingly give to everyone, regardless of economic status. They themselves come from cities—Manila, Bombay, Madras—where many of the cases we see in our hospital would simply be left to die, often without succor of any kind. And they are impressed that our care extends beyond the merely medical: that no one goes without food or clothing or shelter, or even entertainment. There seems to be a public agency to deal with every conceivable problem. For a couple of weeks, they think this all represents the acme of civilization, especially when they recall the horrors at home. Poverty—as they know it— has been abolished.


Before very long, though, they start to feel a vague unease. A Filipina doctor, for example, asked me why so few people seemed grateful for what was done for them. What prompted her question was an addict who, having collapsed from an accidental overdose of heroin, was brought to our hospital. He required intensive care to revive him, with doctors and nurses tending him all night. His first words to the doctor when he suddenly regained consciousness were, "Get me a fucking roll-up" (a hand-rolled cigarette). His imperious rudeness didn't arise from mere confusion: he continued to treat the staff as if they had kidnapped him and held him in the hospital against his will to perform experiments upon him. "Get me the fuck out of here!" There was no acknowledgment of what had been done for him, let alone gratitude for it. If he considered that he had received any benefit from his stay at all, well, it was simply his due.

https://www.city-journal.org/html/what-poverty-11845.html

[Raoul Duke III]

You'd enjoy this one too

https://www.city-journal.org/html/wh...rty-11845.html

Pow! Put this man in charge of stuff.

By the end of three months my doctors have, without exception, reversed their original opinion that the welfare state, as exemplified by England, represents the acme of civilization. On the contrary, they see it now as creating a miasma of subsidized apathy that blights the lives of its supposed beneficiaries. They come to realize that a system of welfare that makes no moral judgments in allocating economic rewards promotes antisocial egotism