Bad beat/Moaning/Venting thread - Mammy told me not to come.

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[Raoul Duke III]

Was at a park yesterday that was fantastic for anyone driving through or near Rennes on their way to somewhere on holidays. Jardins de Broceliande. It's the type of place you'd maybe spend two hours.

It was one particularly brilliant thing they have that made the park: a sensory pathway. It was this pathway that meandered all the way through the botantique gardens - into forests, through rivers, and whatever else.

You walk the path barefoot and it has 45 different sections that you walk through, each with a different feel on your feet. Such a cool idea. A section might be different types of stones, sands, metals, or grasses. One was just walking on a big load of pinecones, another tree trunks. The obvious crowdpleasers were the sinking mud and wading through a river, a rainforest, ending with a big aerial walkway.

The kids were in awe - you'd never normally think about those types of feels under your feet. I presume some enterprising Irish park will import the idea in due course.

Load of other excellent things there and a family ticket was a grand total of €18 afair.

is that the place we got lost in\took a scenic walk in before?

[ComradeCollie]

I'd estimate I watch less than 7 hours of Irish TV a year, so have no idea how regularly the people Keane has referred to appear. In the broadcasters defence though, over the last few weeks they really hadn't a lot of options. Afaik once the referendum was called they had to give equal time to people from both sides. I was delighted that they had to choose from the small group of clowns that they ended up with.

[Emmet]

Absolutely nothing happening for Rory today.

[Solksjaer!]

Yes was always winning . Their campaign didn't need much effort . The no was doing most of the work for them

[Emmet]

Skoda's new advertising campaign is pretty top notch. The ones at the airport are excellent and the tv stuff really good too.

Bizarre though.

[jack90210]

Since all that was voted on was to change the Constitution the entire legislation will still be in play. Every word of that will be challenged and debated.

[Kayroo]

Every word of that will be challenged and debated.

Almost as if a considered legislative process is the appropriate way to legislate for difficult matters like this.

[Emmet]

Since all that was voted on was to change the Constitution the entire legislation will still be in play. Every word of that will be challenged and debated.

Broad support from all political parties for the proposed legislation.

[jack90210]

Broad support from all political parties for the proposed legislation.

For now would be interesting to see what would happen if there was a general election called.

[ArmaniJeans]

Since all that was voted on was to the Constitution the entire legislation will still be in play. Every word of that will be challenged and debated.

Which is fine, debating this stuff in the Dail and legislating accordingly is precisely what should have been happening all along but couldn't for the last 35 years.

I think it'll be reasonably straightforward to be honest - politicians will just want to get it over and done with by October by the latest. The margin was just so big there really won't be much of an appetite to cause trouble, stage walkouts, argue in the chamber til 4am, delay it for months etc.

[jack90210]

Which is fine, debating this stuff in the Dail and legislating accordingly is precisely what should have been happening all along but couldn't for the last 35 years.

I think it'll be reasonably straightforward to be honest - politicians will just want to get it over and done with by October by the latest. The margin was just so big there really won't be much of an appetite to cause trouble, stage walkouts, argue in the chamber til 4am, delay it for months etc.

Well we will have to wait and see what happens when everyone regroups. The Yes side were very keen to point out all along that you were just voting on the change to the Constitution not the proposed legislation. There could be significant change to that yet.

[Emmet]

Well we will have to wait and see what happens when everyone regroups. The Yes side were very keen to point out all along that you were just voting on the change to the Constitution not the proposed legislation. There could be significant change to that yet.

Who is going to propose the amendments to the bill? SF and FF leaders have pretty much defended the bill on national tv for the past number of weeks. There might well be small changes, but it would be beyond bizarre for anything major to be changed.

[Kayroo]

Well we will have to wait and see what happens when everyone regroups. The Yes side were very keen to point out all along that you were just voting on the change to the Constitution not the proposed legislation. There could be significant change to that yet.

62% of people in the RTE exit poll said they voted because they believed in a woman's right to choose.

End. Of. Story.

[6starpool]

Well we will have to wait and see what happens when everyone regroups. The Yes side were very keen to point out all along that you were just voting on the change to the Constitution not the proposed legislation. There could be significant change to that yet.

And if that happens to one degree or another, so be it. It was never anything that had any business being in the constitution.

[Kayroo]

Apart from anything else there's a LOT of politicians looking at the votes in their own constituencies who might keep their heads down for this debate. At most they'll make a bit of noise but nobody with the influence to change the Bill is going to choose this field to die on.

[jack90210]

It's a battle that will never end it will be a major issue at every election.

I see Yes are already targeting Northern Ireland next.

[Kayroo]

It's a battle that will never end it will be a major issue at every election.

It won't be but I like your enthusiasm for the fight.

[Strewelpeter]

For now would be interesting to see what would happen if there was a general election called.

Mullen, Binchy, Steen et al can go and get themselves elected to the Dail and where they can pass whatever laws they like.

[Emmet]

It's a battle that will never end it will be a major issue at every election.

I see Yes are already targeting Northern Ireland next.

Come on Jack, it was absolutely put to bed.

https://www.rte.ie/news/newslens/2018/0526/966211-referendum-things-we-learned-about-the-voters/

It's done, Ireland has learned a painful lesson about what it should or shouldn't have in its constitution. We are not going backwards on this one.

We may of course have legislators that move to restrict access / redefine limits etc, as is of course appropriate (example - if medical science moves forward enough that we see potential viability earlier in a pregnancy, then we may have to tweak laws), but I cannot see this as being anything other than an absolutely decisive move.

[ArmaniJeans]

Well we will have to wait and see what happens when everyone regroups. The Yes side were very keen to point out all along that you were just voting on the change to the Constitution not the proposed legislation. There could be significant change to that yet.

Great - let this parliament decide and future parliaments on an onging basis, no constitutional block, that's all most of us here ever wanted. You seeing the logic now?

It's a battle that will never end it will be a major issue at every election.

Nah, it's over - it'll become an increasingly minor sideshow at general elections going forward, much like divorce and contraception are almost never mentioned now.

[Strewelpeter]

Kildare going to lose to Carlow.
Sigh

[shrapnel]

Ashton hat trick for the barbarians against England...in 25 minutes! 4 tries to 2 for the barbars so far

[ArmaniJeans]

Hate the 65 in hurling - Nash just made a Gordan Banks like save for Cork, and Tipp can just handily knock it over the bar for a point.

[Kayroo]

Hate the 65 in hurling - Nash just made a Gordan Banks like save for Cork, and Tipp can just handily knock it over the bar for a point.

That save was sensational

[Strewelpeter]

Carlow. FFS!

[Raoul Duke III]

(This reply grew into a more general rant that has been brewing for a while - more inspired by your post than a direct response to it)

I dunno there is a genuine issue with Irish media I think. Una Mullally had a very good article about two months about how the print media in particular were talking complete rubbish about the campaign - in terms of the yes side being in disarray, not appealing to the undecideds, how divisive the whole thing was going to be, the no side were way more effective etc.

This all proved to be complete garbage as the yes campaign far exceeded what anyone in the media expected them to achieve, with a message on their own terms including the righteous indignation about having their bodies policed etc. The undecideds broke phenomenally in favour of Yes, and far from division we've practically never seen a country more united across age, wealth, political bent, rural/urban etc. Everything the media said about the campaign was misguided.

At the same time, we have a just completely incessant barrage of guff from Iona, Ronan fucking Mullen, John Waters etc on the national broadcasters and all the papers. They are on every show, write for every paper and are constantly asked for opinions on anything and everything.

All these creeps are actively despised by the average, ordinary Irish man and woman - people with nothing to do with feminism or left wing causes or anything like that. Just your run of the mill skins who the media constantly told us we were going to be divided from on this, the imaginary silent majority of No voters.

They don't exist yet the media continue to shove the likes of Ganley and McGuirk down our throats genuinely believing there's some 'middle Ireland' that gives a fiddler's fart what they have to say. Look at the Late Late Show the night of the referendum for fuck sake - a genuinely mentally ill woman on to explain how she literally sees and speaks to almighty god along with armies of angels on a regular basis - and it was the second fucking time I remember this fool being on the show in the last while. I think that - along with the absolutely thumping Yes vote - illustrates how amazingly out of touch RTE in particular are with the Irish normie.

In that regard I do think it would be great to take this moment to make it clear to the apparently oblivious media that these normies don't want or need this incessant 'view from Holy Catholic Ireland' to be front and centre on every topic. Nobody gives a toss what secondary school teacher Breda O'Brien thinks about vulture funds, nobody gives a toss what non-practising barrister Maria Steen thinks about immigration, nobody gives a toss what perennial losers like Ganley, Mullen, McGuirk or, god help us, John Waters think about any fucking thing.

I wish they would just stop looking for their opinions on things for a few weeks and see how many people would write in to say they miss them. Probably another vote they would predict badly incorrectly.

EDIT to add: As mentioned yesterday - 87% of under 24s vote YES and for some reason RTE think Katie Ascough of the Iona Institute is the only young person worth having on the show. Another stark illustration of the fawning obsession of RTE with these unrepresentative plebs. I can't decide whether that or the angel woman was the biggest disgrace of the last 36 hours. What audience do they think they are they appealing to with the young, hip anti-abortion campaigner and the wizened angel whisperer?

It's the same reason why twats like Dunphy and Hook get airtime.

[Kayroo]

Carlow. FFS!

If Longford beat Meath (it's all square at half time) the Leinster Championship will hit an all time low.

[LuckyLloyd]

Nash’s save was absolutely ridiculous

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[LuckyLloyd]

http://bocktherobber.com/2013/06/what-exactly-is-the-iona-institute/

Interesting read on the Iona Institute from a few year’s back. Lots of Ascough family influence, and Katie has clearly been groomed for a speaking role for years.

I’m on the exact same page as Keane tbh. What fucks me off about it in particular is that it populates an innacurate perception in the mind that Ireland is severely divided on issues like this when the votes / reactions to progressive legislation is building up a tangible track record to the contrary. We’re talking about a very small interconnected group of well funded lobbyists that have created a platform way in excess of their material support amongst the electorate. That’s their aim, and fair play to them, but there needs to be an editorial reassessment imo.

[Raoul Duke III]

http://bocktherobber.com/2013/06/wha...ona-institute/

Interesting read on the Iona Institute from a few year’s back. Lots of Ascough family influence, and Katie has clearly been groomed for a speaking role for years.

I’m on the exact same page as Keane tbh. What fucks me off about it in particular is that it populates an innacurate perception in the mind that Ireland is severely divided on issues like this when the votes / reactions to progressive legislation is building up a tangible track record to the contrary. We’re talking about a very small interconnected group of well funded lobbyists that have created a platform way in excess of their material support amongst the electorate. That’s their aim, and fair play to them, but there needs to be an editorial reassessment imo.

imo, it's the search for 'balance' that gives these individuals airtime. An admirable idea but sometimes you just need to say 'your argument is ridiculous' and ignore them.

Would Brexit have happened if this approach had been applied?

[shrapnel]

Ashton hat trick for the barbarians against England...in 25 minutes! 4 tries to 2 for the barbars so far

what a game barbars lead 49-38 with 20 minutes to go. pure enjoyment and fun being had by all

[LuckyLloyd]

imo, it's the search for 'balance' that gives these individuals airtime. An admirable idea but sometimes you just need to say 'your argument is ridiculous' and ignore them.

Would Brexit have happened if this approach had been applied?

I think the simple answer is 'no, it wouldn't'. Within the bounds of an actual referendum campaign and imposed rules regarding balance I understand that necessity. On a general week in, week out basis though? The likes of Ronan Mullen, Breda O'Brien and David Quinn have been against every progressive social piece of constitutional / legislative change over the past decade and more. In that sense they represent a minority opinion amongst the electorate as - even though you might have found people against one particular change and not another - to oppose every single one is a very specific, very narrow religious position imo.

What should happen is that a new party forms along a very narrow moral absolutist focus and ends up with a few TDs and Senators to represent these topics. Because I think this result will be a huge wake up for TDs across the spectrum who have been inundated with conservative lobbying for decades and allowed themselves to believe that these positions were more broadly represented. If they lose the ability to lobby a significant percentage of politicians or a major political party or two, they'll be forced to run themselves. That would be a normal democratic landscape. It seems what we've had increasingly over the last 35 years is an ever deepening disconnect between the influence wielded by these forces / the Dail Eirreann compliance to those forces and the electorate's thoughts and feelings on social politics. That's certainly what the unity of Exit polling in terms of gender, geography and age would suggest.

[dobby]

If Longford beat Meath (it's all square at half time) the Leinster Championship will hit an all time low.

Would it make the call for a two tier championship stronger or quieter? For instance (I don't want this to happen) take Dublin out of Leinster and it's a competitive championship, same with Kerry in Munster. Have teams on similar levels playing each other. Like the league every year is a cracker and throws up some barnstorming games. Let the likes of Kerry Dublin Tyrone Mayo Galway and whoever go at each other. Have a 2nd or even 3rd tier and let teams get promoted or relegated to standard.

[Kayroo]

Would it make the call for a two tier championship stronger or quieter? For instance (I don't want this to happen) take Dublin out of Leinster and it's a competitive championship, same with Kerry in Munster. Have teams on similar levels playing each other. Like the league every year is a cracker and throws up some barnstorming games. Let the likes of Kerry Dublin Tyrone Mayo Galway and whoever go at each other. Have a 2nd or even 3rd tier and let teams get promoted or relegated to standard.

Well Dublin are strolling to a > 25 point win against Wicklow, which is another argument to tier the championship. We do it at every other level of the GAA, why not Senior Intercounty?

[ArmaniJeans]

Well Dublin are strolling to a > 25 point win against Wicklow, which is another argument to tier the championship. We do it at every other level of the GAA, why not Senior Intercounty?

Ulster Senior Football Championship is probably the main stumbling block, they won't want to give that up. Can't really blame them - hugely competitive, great local rivalries, good attendances, it matters.

[dobby]

Carlow. FFS!

Was it last year or the year before you were confident of beating Kerry in croke park? lol

[ComradeCollie]

Really don't understand why the Irish Times publishes Breda O'Briens crap https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/b...pear-1.3510365

Now, the Eighth Amendment has been replaced by the 36th Amendment in a mirror image of 1983. Two-thirds voted to insert a State-sanctioned right to end human life into the Constitution. One-third voted against.

[Kayroo]

Carlow. FFS!

Carlow might very well have had the best shooting performance in modern Gaelic football today.

[6starpool]

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[Ed]

Fascinating fight between Till and Thompson there

[dobby]

Carlow might very well have had the best shooting performance in modern Gaelic football today.

Saw that on Twitter. 16/16. The guy that posted the stat said if you counted the goal that was actually a free dropped short as a miss they were still 15/16 and at 94%. That's phenomenal stuff.

[Kayroo]

Saw that on Twitter. 16/16. The guy that posted the stat said if you counted the goal that was actually a free dropped short as a miss they were still 15/16 and at 94%. That's phenomenal stuff.

That’s against a division 1 team. Admittedly Kildare were relegated with no wins but the fact remains that Carlow shot the lights out against a much higher ranked team.

Phenomenal hardly seems to cover it

[mcnugget]

That’s against a division 1 team. Admittedly Kildare were relegated with no wins but the fact remains that Carlow shot the lights out against a much higher ranked team.

Phenomenal hardly seems to cover it

And scored 2-17 in the previous round. Carlow are so well coached and know exactly what their system is. They didn’t drop a ball into the keeper’s hands or hoof a long ball into the square all day either. Kildare were utterly clueless, as bad an inter county performance as I’ve seen.

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[Strewelpeter]

That’s against a division 1 team. Admittedly Kildare were relegated with no wins but the fact remains that Carlow shot the lights out against a much higher ranked team.

Phenomenal hardly seems to cover it

Last year Carlow gave Dublin the nearest thing they got to a game in Leinster, they came in today with all the momentum and Kildare having lost their last eight games.
Horrible stuff.

[TheJiggaman]

Fascinating fight between Till and Thompson there

Was garbage - the decision was awful ... the circumstances around the fight made it a shitshow.. really disappointed in it.

Media scorecards in the link below

http://mmadecisions.com/decision/908...ephen-Thompson

[Opr]

This is pretty funny but needs context, as loads of people in here, don't follow the poker world too closely anymore. Pokerstars has become a complete shitshow since Amaya took them over. They have done pretty much everything possible to kill poker as a skill game and glean every possible dollar they can from the game at the expense of the players. Negreanu is still a sponsored player and he came out with a defence of the increased rake by basically saying that it was better for the games as it discouraged the pros and made for more fishy games.

He got called out on this by Doug Polk and the two have been pretty much enemy number one for each other ever since. The Super Hgh Roller 300k buyin started today and Daniel and Polk are drawn in seats right beside each other at the feature table with Polk currently wearing the T-Shirt "More Rake is better" sitting right beside him



Super High Roller Stream

Opr

[Bubbleking]

I remember when Meath were considered good at football

[Ed]

Was garbage - the decision was awful ... the circumstances around the fight made it a shitshow.. really disappointed in it.

Media scorecards in the link below

http://mmadecisions.com/decision/908...ephen-Thompson

Circumstances were definitely messy but all the calls of it being a robbery were daft, there was one significant strike and Till landed it. Giving 4 rounds to Till was over the top but neither of them looked like a winner

[Denny Crane]

http://bocktherobber.com/2013/06/wha...ona-institute/

Interesting read on the Iona Institute from a few year’s back. Lots of Ascough family influence, and Katie has clearly been groomed for a speaking role for years.

I’m on the exact same page as Keane tbh. What fucks me off about it in particular is that it populates an innacurate perception in the mind that Ireland is severely divided on issues like this when the votes / reactions to progressive legislation is building up a tangible track record to the contrary. We’re talking about a very small interconnected group of well funded lobbyists that have created a platform way in excess of their material support amongst the electorate. That’s their aim, and fair play to them, but there needs to be an editorial reassessment imo.

The Most Intolerant Wins: The Dictatorship of the Small Minority

https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15

[DeadParrot]

For now would be interesting to see what would happen if there was a general election called.

FG would fucking smash it. The are the party of the left lite, groupon in brassierie 66 folk.
Labour are a spent docket, one thing I have noticed is how little they were visible in this whole thing. Their USP has been diluted and absorbed by the other parties.
FF have largely shot themselves in the foot and are becoming more irrelevant.
Shinners will be the 2nd largest party if not next election then the one after. PBP and solidarity take the hard left and will always row behind SF. What will be intriguing to see is how the core SF voter will move as SF move more towards the centre after Gerry steps down.

I'd be interested to see who from FF or FG make the googliest eyes at SF next GE if a coalition is possible.

[DeadParrot]

imo, it's the search for 'balance' that gives these individuals airtime. An admirable idea but sometimes you just need to say 'your argument is ridiculous' and ignore them.

Would Brexit have happened if this approach had been applied?

When Michael Gove went on TV and said Britain has had enough of experts and wasn't laughed off air was the high water mark over there, everything since then has been a slide into the murk

[RichieM]

FG would fucking smash it. The are the party of the left lite, groupon in brassierie 66 folk.
Labour are a spent docket, one thing I have noticed is how little they were visible in this whole thing. Their USP has been diluted and absorbed by the other parties.
FF have largely shot themselves in the foot and are becoming more irrelevant.
Shinners will be the 2nd largest party if not next election then the one after. PBP and solidarity take the hard left and will always row behind SF. What will be intriguing to see is how the core SF voter will move as SF move more towards the centre after Gerry steps down.

I'd be interested to see who from FF or FG make the googliest eyes at SF next GE if a coalition is possible.

Bit early for writing off FF and SF are not likely to go for a junior coalition as we have all seen this being the death of many a party.

FG this time round again with FF retiring some of the old guard and hardcore conservatives in preparation to go the next time.

Martin I think did vote with his conscious and fair play but he defo considered the political landscape and wanted to use it as a way to divide the party so he could clean house.

[ArmaniJeans]

The weekend continues to get worse for Kildare and Meath.

Qualifier First round draw.
Derry v Kildare
Meath v Tyrone
London v Louth
Wicklow v Cavan
Offaly v Antrim
Limerick v Mayo
Westmeath v Armagh
Wexford v Waterford

[Guest]

The weekend continues to get worse for Kildare and Meath.

Qualifier First round draw.
Derry v Kildare
Meath v Tyrone
London v Louth
Wicklow v Cavan
Offaly v Antrim
Limerick v Mayo
Westmeath v Armagh
Wexford v Waterford

I remember watching the Sunday Game last year on I think the day Kildare were knocked out of the championship. It would had to have been quite late in the year as I didn't get back till around July and 3 of the 4 panellists had Kildare as the 5th best team after Dublin Kerry Tyrone & Mayo.
Their league performances were abysmal but I thought given that they have a couple of good quality footballers in the likes of Feely and Flynn that they'd be fine come championship time.
Obviously Carlows scoring performance was somewhat of an outlier but Kildare should be beating them regardless.
It looks like a lost season now after that draw.

[Tar.Aldarion]

Seeing how happy everybody was after the vote was amazing, there were impromptu parties in the streets near my house all weekend. I saw a lot of people travelling from Heuston down home on the day, a friend of mine missed the late change of address registration by a day and ended up getting a bus home for hours, walking 20 miles and getting a bus back and not a word of complaint, she never walks anywhere and her legs are still killing her. Great to see passion and that it paid off with such a huge result.


Thanks Kayroo for the answer, most people I'd have to explain that to wouldn't be swayed by reason. Which reminds me, there needs to be more lwas on what can be put on posters and in general advertisement during things like this. Some of it, apart from the misleading stuff, was pretty horrendous such as using Savita on No posters.

They might in the end.

If we want to talk about history though, I think we should be talking about the likes of Mary Robinson who was leading a campaign on this and other social issues in the completely different context of an overwhelming catholic conservative judgemental majority. It was honestly very easy to walk around Dublin the last few weeks with a Yes badge or T shirt on, we were everywhere. Can only imagine what it would be like to fight this thing with tutting around every corner.

Imagine taking a moral stance to your own detriment in society, must be quite tough. I can't imagine it, unsung heroes

[Strewelpeter]

I remember watching the Sunday Game last year on I think the day Kildare were knocked out of the championship. It would had to have been quite late in the year as I didn't get back till around July and 3 of the 4 panellists had Kildare as the 5th best team after Dublin Kerry Tyrone & Mayo.
Their league performances were abysmal but I thought given that they have a couple of good quality footballers in the likes of Feely and Flynn that they'd be fine come championship time.
Obviously Carlows scoring performance was somewhat of an outlier but Kildare should be beating them regardless.
It looks like a lost season now after that draw.

You'd like to think they could muster up enough pride to go to Derry and show what they are capable of.
Problem could be that they are not capable of beating the likes of Derry. Looks to me like we have a panel made up of some of the finest athletes in the country but none of them showing any prospect of being a football player capable of kicking the ball over the bar consistently.
Another problem is going to be the usual infighting, politics and jockeying for position to take over from O'Neill that started about 5 minutes into the second half yesterday

IMO the qualifiers competition has consistently been the highlight of the football season and there is probably going to be more entertainment value in that first round than you'll get in the whole of the super 8 series.

[KevIRL]

The weekend continues to get worse for Kildare and Meath.

Qualifier First round draw.
Derry v Kildare
Meath v Tyrone
London v Louth
Wicklow v Cavan
Offaly v Antrim
Limerick v Mayo
Westmeath v Armagh
Wexford v Waterford

Derry hardly a tough prospect these days. Didn't they drop down to division 4?