Bad beat/Moaning/Venting thread - Mammy told me not to come.

[Wombatman]

That documentary "Jim & Andy: The Great Beyond", about the making of the Andy Kaufman biopic, is truly outstanding.

[LuckyLloyd]

When the Citizen's Assembly came back with these recommendations I thought 'hold on, that's too far'. When it was confirmed as the draft legislation I wondered about it too. Part of me always thought the Repeal campaign was too single speed aswell. Turns out I was completely wrong, and I'm delighted for that to be the case. This is a triumph of inclusive open democracy; of the grassroots meeting the official structures in the middle and everyone getting on the same page. It's utterly glorious!

A few points coming off the end winning margin won't matter one bit.

[Lazare]

No celebration imo, carry on as if it was expected, no need to rub the act of abortion in anyone's face

I do agree sensitivity is required, but imo celebrations have nothing to do with abortion.

[Raoul Duke III]

When the Citizen's Assembly came back with these recommendations I thought 'hold on, that's too far'. When it was confirmed as the draft legislation I wondered about it too. Part of me always thought the Repeal campaign was too single speed aswell. Turns out I was completely wrong, and I'm delighted for that to be the case. This is a triumph of inclusive open democracy; of the grassroots meeting the official structures in the middle and everyone getting on the same page. It's utterly glorious!

A few points coming off the end winning margin won't matter one bit.

All faciltated by Enda Kenny.

The history books will judge him kindly.

[Kayroo]

All faciltated by Enda Kenny.

The history books will judge him kindly.

In the future people will look back at Kenny’s constitutional convention as something special in Irish history.

[KevIRL]

Some rte exit poll supplementary data. 1200 of 3600 polled asked supplementary questions about reasons for voting

82% did not change their vote intention during the campaign.

75% were influenced by personal stories of women from media or from someone they knew

10% influenced by posters

[KevIRL]

Imo the big success of the yes campaign was getting out those personal human stories. They definitely swayed my vote to yes despite my reservations on the proposed legislation. Many many more like me I reckon.

Keeping the human story out there and keeping the more militant in their group in the background was critical. Especially when the No side appeared to be almost entirely militant

[KevIRL]

Interestingly only 52% said that they believed unrestricted abortion up to 12 weeks should be available.

[Strewelpeter]

All faciltated by Enda Kenny.

The history books will judge him kindly.

In the future people will look back at Kenny’s constitutional convention as something special in Irish history.

Guiding us from being within weeks of having to choose between closing schools or hospitals to full employment was quite the achievement too.
Most successful government in the history of the state I'm.

[shano1888]

That is some margin. Seems all the people who were "scared to admit they were no" were actually the opposite.

[Keane]

That is some margin. Seems all the people who were "scared to admit they were no" were actually the opposite.

It's the Nate Silver special - whenever the conventional wisdom says that the polls are out of line the polls will prove to be out of line in the opposite direction to what the conventional wisdom expects.

[Guest]

It's the Nate Silver special - whenever the conventional wisdom says that the polls are out of line the polls will prove to be out of line in the opposite direction to what the conventional wisdom expects.

I was flicking on 538 and he has the CL final 53-47 in favour of Madrid. His rankings had Bayern as a strongest overall though.

Here's a good article on Liverpool's successes in transfer market among other things https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...tial-champion/

[Keane]

History says, don't hope
On this side of the grave.
But then, once in a lifetime
The longed-for tidal wave
Of justice can rise up,
And hope and history rhyme.

[luckforsome]

...Bit of a curiosity...So today when they announce the results, they'll also have a full breakdown of M/F and of % of different ages...How do they figure this out, as in how do they know that my vote was made by a Male in his 30's etc...

[Keane]

...Bit of a curiosity...So today when they announce the results, they'll also have a full breakdown of M/F and of % of different ages...How do they figure this out, as in how do they know that my vote was made by a Male in his 30's etc...

I think that is from the exit polls rather than from the count.

[Raoul Duke III]

Guiding us from being within weeks of having to choose between closing schools or hospitals to full employment was quite the achievement too.
Most successful government in the history of the state I'm.

Certainly up there. The very first government sneaks it for me.

[Zod]

...Bit of a curiosity...So today when they announce the results, they'll also have a full breakdown of M/F and of % of different ages...How do they figure this out, as in how do they know that my vote was made by a Male in his 30's etc...

that will be based on the exit polls

[Zod]

Brexit and Trump fucked with a lot of minds. I expected it to be about 56% in the end despite a general higher figure from canvbasses etc.

There are going to be a LOT of political commentators and journalists eating crow over the next few days, or at least having it served to them by the women who had been told to ask for less and that they were campaigning wrong.

[LuckyLloyd]

All faciltated by Enda Kenny.

The history books will judge him kindly.

They might in the end.

If we want to talk about history though, I think we should be talking about the likes of Mary Robinson who was leading a campaign on this and other social issues in the completely different context of an overwhelming catholic conservative judgemental majority. It was honestly very easy to walk around Dublin the last few weeks with a Yes badge or T shirt on, we were everywhere. Can only imagine what it would be like to fight this thing with tutting around every corner.

[Keane]

Kerry close to 60% with Listowel, Killarney and Tralee boxes yet to be opened, which is nice to see. Looks like Roscommon/Leitrim areas that got lampooned for voting no the last time are going to vote yes as well.

This is so comprehensive.

[ArmaniJeans]

They might in the end.

If we want to talk about history though, I think we should be talking about the likes of Mary Robinson who was leading a campaign on this and other social issues in the completely different context of an overwhelming catholic conservative judgemental majority. It was honestly very easy to walk around Dublin the last few weeks with a Yes badge or T shirt on, we were everywhere. Can only imagine what it would be like to fight this thing with tutting around every corner.

I don't know if you've seen this article about the 1983 campaign and some of what went on, a great long read.

https://www.joe.ie/life-style/story-of-the-8th-how-right-wing-catholic-groups-staged-a-remarkable-political-coup-614595

[Guest]

Brexit and Trump fucked with a lot of minds. I expected it to be about 56% in the end despite a general higher figure from canvbasses etc.

There are going to be a LOT of political commentators and journalists eating crow over the next few days, or at least having it served to them by the women who had been told to ask for less and that they were campaigning wrong.

There could be a lot of shy no's in the polls!?

However... if true...

1. The horrible stories on the edges that would have been an easy fix made soft no's feel weird/guilty of a no

2.The Irish are fairly pragmatic all in all, dumb fuck pragmatic but pragmatic... sur if there going abroad for it anyway, they might as well have it here... what did the UN say, sur, ya know they might have a point, the UN cunts

3. The No cunts far outweighed the yes cunts... plus there posters were an abomination to anyone other than the mental zombie jew cultists


All other moves to get rid of the churches power will be easier from here on!

[Guest]

That and the fact Ireland is naturally a pagan state

[Guest]

Kerry close to 60% with Listowel, Killarney and Tralee boxes yet to be opened, which is nice to see. Looks like Roscommon/Leitrim areas that got lampooned for voting no the last time are going to vote yes as well.

This is so comprehensive.

Id imagine the abuse the last time shook the lazy yes to come out in Ross/Leitrim

They are a fairly backward lot in general, but not that bad

[Hectorjelly]

I'm proud to be Irish today. Also looking forward to Jacks analysis of the vote.

[Guest]

I'm proud to be Irish today. Also looking forward to Jacks analysis of the vote.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6d_DHz79dQ

[ComradeCollie]

Wish Katie Ascough would fuck right off.

[LuckyLloyd]

Wish Katie Ascough would fuck right off.

She's in bits here, completely bankrupt nonsense that has been clearly rejected - 87% in her cohort. You won't hear from her again, she represents nothing about Ireland's future.

[Keane]

Fucking joke tbf. 87% of the under 24s voted yes and the one they pick to come on is this Ascough freak.

[dobby]

Kerry close to 60% with Listowel, Killarney and Tralee boxes yet to be opened, which is nice to see. Looks like Roscommon/Leitrim areas that got lampooned for voting no the last time are going to vote yes as well.

This is so comprehensive.

First 33 boxes in Killarney show 57/43. That's pretty good imo. Especially as there was such a push for no over the last week or so. And a lot of it from people in the 28-35 age bracket. Some people I was very surprised surprised about being so vocally no

[Ed]

So much voter fraud lads, obvious!

[Zod]

So much voter fraud lads, obvious!

my face is in ribbons and my moisturising routine destroyed from all the fake beards I had glued to my face all day yesterday in service of the Big Dog, George Soros.

[Zod]

First 33 boxes in Killarney show 57/43. That's pretty good imo. Especially as there was such a push for no over the last week or so. And a lot of it from people in the 28-35 age bracket. Some people I was very surprised surprised about being so vocally no

load of yanks and northern Irish kids "on holiday" for the last week.

[Guest]

So much voter fraud lads, obvious!

Kayroo probably involved, spent way too much time covering up on here!

[Guest]

Jesus... looks like I got out of the UK at the right time

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/may/23/ex-mayor-of-ipswich-inga-lockington-denied-citizenship-after-almost-40-years-in-uk

A former mayor of Ipswich, who has lived in the UK since 1979, has been denied UK citizenship.

Inga Lockington, who has been a Liberal Democrat councillor for 19 years and served as mayor in 2007, moved to the UK from Denmark in 1979, when she married her British husband, Tim.

She was given indefinite leave to remain, which was stamped in her passport at the time.

Following the EU referendum, Lockington decided to apply for UK citizenship, a decision that was also influenced by changes to Danish law that meant she wouldn’t lose her Danish citizenship if she became a naturalised Briton.

The Home Office rejected her application, which cost her £1,282, at the end of January on the basis it “cannot be satisfied” that she was permanently a resident in the UK.

[Strewelpeter]

Young people of Ireland, I love you.

[Wombatman]

David Drumm trial, on charges of conspiracy to defraud and false accounting, closing speeches yesterday. Jury deliberations begin on Monday.

Would have been all the talk 10 years ago.

[Lazare]

Young people of Ireland, I love you.

Brilliant.

[LuckyLloyd]

David Drumm trial, on charges of conspiracy to defraud and false accounting, closing speeches yesterday. Jury deliberations begin on Monday.

Would have been all the talk 10 years ago.

Right on time for us to move onto!

[mcnugget]

Merrion Road tally came in at 91% Yes

[Lazare]

Stealing that one too Tony

[eamonhonda]

Young people of Ireland, I love you.

As many over 65s voted yes as under 25s according to a tweet from Fintan O Toole, class if true

[Trippie]

I'm proud to be Irish today. Also looking forward to Jacks analysis of the vote.

Anyone else notice he hasnt posted since around the time that guy was shot in his car

[Dice75]

Young people of Ireland, I love you.

Wonder will the Polish try follow suit.

[The Situation]

As many over 65s voted yes as under 25s according to a tweet from Fintan O Toole, class if true

I'd imagine thats because under 25 only covers 18-24 and over 65 covers a much wider age span obv. But in terms of an actual yes % I'd imagine it's miles apart.

[Kayroo]

They might in the end.

If we want to talk about history though, I think we should be talking about the likes of Mary Robinson who was leading a campaign on this and other social issues in the completely different context of an overwhelming catholic conservative judgemental majority. It was honestly very easy to walk around Dublin the last few weeks with a Yes badge or T shirt on, we were everywhere. Can only imagine what it would be like to fight this thing with tutting around every corner.

This is kind of why Kenny's approach to this worked so well. Think about the question Tar posed me yesterday about the alternative amendment to cover hard cases. I was able to point to both the Convention (which later became the Citizens Assembly) and the Oireachtas all party committee to show that there was no alternative. Because the Government did this perfectly. As an exercise in politics it was superb.

There's a long list of people who made this work. For me (on the political side) chief among them, are Judge Mary Laffoy, Enda Kenny, Catherine Noone, Simon Harris, Claire Daly, Roisin Shortall, Colm O'Gorman and Leo Varadkar who frankly timed his input perfectly.

Of everyone I think Simon Harris emerges with the most credit. I was incredibly impressed by him.

[Lazare]

Michael Martin made a very shrewd political move. Had he not FF would be in a dire place right now.

[Kayroo]

Certainly up there. The very first government sneaks it for me.

As a history nerd discussion this would be fascinating. Maybe not for today but I think this government still has time to surpass the first.

[ComradeCollie]

Anyone else think he was looking very sexy with his bit of stubble yesterday?

[gorrrr72]

Anyone else notice he hasnt posted since around the time that guy was shot in his car

[gorrrr72]

Young people of Ireland, I love you.

Hahahaha, reminds of this tune...

Do you use a condom?
No, my wife Eileen doesn't like the smell of burning rubber!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gECeA8ZGnEQ

[eamonhonda]

I'd imagine thats because under 25 only covers 18-24 and over 65 covers a much wider age span obv. But in terms of an actual yes % I'd imagine it's miles apart.

Ya that makes more sense

[Emmet]

Very professional looking new video from this folksy singer Emmett posted years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTFbo8MC4Eo

She wrote the eurovision song too! (not a stalker)

Anyone watching The Handmaid's Tale? Dystopian alt-future drama based on a book of the same name. It has been unrelenting grim this season. It certainly won't be everyone's cup of tea but I have been enjoying it.

S2EP6:

SPOILER

I was beginning to think we would never see a proper resistance and each episode would beat me down with new and unusual ways to continue ramping up the grimness. You really feel like you have struggled with the Handmaids just as a viewer to get this point in the new season so that was a proper fuck yeah moment at the end of this episode: tren:

Opr

Haven't read your spoiler or watched any of S2 yet, but season 1 was gripping tv. Really interesting dystopian idea, Children of Men's precursor imo. Will certainly be trying to see S2.

...Bought two tickets to Kodaline this morning...It's kinda funny that Ed Sheeran in 2014 was my first ever music concert so had no idea what to expect, and this will be around my 15th since...

You are a 14 year old girl.

cultural appropriation is a load of bollix.

Culture = Cultural Appropriation. No cultures that have ever interacted with another has not changed. Culture has never been, and probably will never be static.

Big win for Leo. All the mo with the progressives and FF look majorly out of touch.

Michael Martin as always a classy individual who is better than the party he leads imo.

Anyone else think he was looking very sexy with his bit of stubble yesterday?

jesus

[Wombatman]

Final Dublin results pretty emphatic.

Dublin Fingal: 76.8% Y; 23.2% N.
Dublin Mid West: 73% Y; 27% N.
Dun Laoghaire: 77% Y; 23% N.
Dublin Bay South: 78% Y; 22% N.
Dublin West: 73.6% Y; 26.4% N.
Dublin Bay North: 74.5% Y; 25.5% N.
Dublin South Central: 74.7% Y; 25.3% N.
Dublin Central: 75% Y; 24% N.

[Emmet]

good work Ireland.

Only a few more roots of that horrible Japanese Knotweed shite to be fucked out now. Little by little and we'll get there.

[Raoul Duke III]

As a history nerd discussion this would be fascinating. Maybe not for today but I think this government still has time to surpass the first.

This government is a very odd construct indeed but somehow it works.

The previous government's achievements are of an order of magnitude greater though imo. People forget how close we came to being a colder version of Argentina.

[pokerhand]

I do enjoy reading the pool forum on boards from time to time as can be funny sometimes and came across this gem of a post just now.

"I remember once watching a porno where the lad was giving it hammer and thongs to a lass from behind, when unexpectedly, he announced in a thick German accent, "Das is da Champions League!".

That's what I keep thinking of this morning."

[dobby]

I'm going to Skellig Michael on Monday, gonna hit for KY tomorrow, any suggestions of somewhere to stay tomorrow evening that isn't Killarney. Somewhere quaint where I might get a few drinks and a local session or something like that would be ideal. I am tight on time tomorrow but if there was somewhere cool to stop en route id consider it so am open to suggestions?

Glenbeigh fits that criteria or if you wanna go the other way, Sneem fits the bill. Glenbeigh would be my first preference tbh, the pub there is lively and always has live music.

[mdoug]

Abortions for some, miniature Irish flags for others?

This is a great result though, fuck someone else owning what someone can do with their own body.

Also Liverpool game 3-1 at ht and 5-2 ft is the doug prediction for the day.

[Raoul Duke III]

Good day to land back in the country, off to Landsdowne Road now to hopefully see two attacking teams go at it.

32-31 pls