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Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View PostMany many miles ahead on attitudes to immigration, for example. One of lowest gender pay gaps in Europe, suggesting genuine gender equality. Only European country to have a referendum on legalising gay marriage and win it. (unlike Germany thats only getting around to that now after loads of opposition, and France which had massive protests around the introduction of gay marriage). Medicinal cannabis introduced without even a whimper, albeit very restricted. These are big things. The biggest thing is social attitude to immigration - there seems to be no sense of immigrants being secondclass citizens in Ireland which they clearly are in nearly every part of the continent.
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Have finally caught the actual flu.
Honestly think I might die. Weak as a kitten and every muscle aches.People say I should be more humble I hope they understand, they don't listen when you mumble
Get a shiny metal Revolut card! And a free tenner!
https://revolut.com/referral/jamesb8!G10D21
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Originally posted by DeadParrot View PostHave finally caught the actual flu.
Honestly think I might die. Weak as a kitten and every muscle aches.
Which of course, is,10, 000 times worsePeople say I should be more humble I hope they understand, they don't listen when you mumble
Get a shiny metal Revolut card! And a free tenner!
https://revolut.com/referral/jamesb8!G10D21
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Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View PostMany many miles ahead on attitudes to immigration, for example. One of lowest gender pay gaps in Europe, suggesting genuine gender equality. Only European country to have a referendum on legalising gay marriage and win it. (unlike Germany thats only getting around to that now after loads of opposition, and France which had massive protests around the introduction of gay marriage). Medicinal cannabis introduced without even a whimper, albeit very restricted. These are big things. The biggest thing is social attitude to immigration - there seems to be no sense of immigrants being secondclass citizens in Ireland which they clearly are in nearly every part of the continent.
Ireland needs foreigners!
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Originally posted by Denny Crane View PostConsidering the rate at which they're reported, the low conviction rate, and the ordeal for the victim I'd definitely be more worried about the latter.
It's a very one sided battle
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/doze...ender-1.791296
If I was convicted of rape I would be surprised if my family hugged me let alone friends and priests.
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Thats from 9 years ago actually, I think that there will be less sympathy now - at least I hope so.
Disappointingly that guy has been been out of Jail for at least 4 years.Last edited by RichieM; 02-02-18, 11:48.
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Originally posted by Denny Crane View PostConsidering the rate at which they're reported, the low conviction rate, and the ordeal for the victim I'd definitely be more worried about the latter.
It's a very one sided battle
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/doze...ender-1.791296
The defendant has a right to a proper defence though if they are contesting the charge.
I'd imagine the % of time the accuser is outright lying is very small. There will be times when they might not be able to properly remember due to drink or other influences, and so on.
How do you fix it without shifting the burden onto the defendant to prove to they didn't do it? This is a problem I various types of crimes, but there is not usually a living personal victim (or accuser) who has to endure and often take part on these trials.
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This memo being released looks like a big popcorn moment, the dems are in full on panic mode so there is obv some juicy stuff in it.been reading the Washington post a bit recently,some of the writing in it can get quite unhinged for a paper of record
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Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View PostNet migration is now positive again (for the last two years), but the substantive point makes sense tbf. We've a better class of migrant!
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Originally posted by shrapnel View PostPretty easy to have a good "social attitude" to immigration when 95% ( i made that number up but it can't be far off ) is composed of a migrant workforce who comes to Ireland for work, and leaves as soon as jobs run out. You also probably have less than 5% illegal immigration (doubtful even that high), and to top it off, you still have a negative net migration .
Ireland needs foreigners!
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Originally posted by ArmaniJeans View PostThat's disappointing.
People in the business would know better but I thought that above and beyond the $$$ having Irish Racing FTA was a great boost for the industry that would be hard to quantify but very valuable.
I'm assuming that the deal guarantees full Irish coverage on a dedicated channel because otherwise its too stupid for words.Last edited by Strewelpeter; 02-02-18, 12:04.Turning millions into thousands
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Originally posted by PSV58 View PostThis memo being released looks like a big popcorn moment, the dems are in full on panic mode so there is obv some juicy stuff in it.been reading the Washington post a bit recently,some of the writing in it can get quite unhinged for a paper of record
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Originally posted by PSV58 View PostThis memo being released looks like a big popcorn moment, the dems are in full on panic mode so there is obv some juicy stuff in it.been reading the Washington post a bit recently,some of the writing in it can get quite unhinged for a paper of record
Doesn't matter a fuck what the memo says, whether Nunes made most of it up or not, is utterly irrelevant.Turning millions into thousands
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Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View PostIts mad the distance the country has come tbh. From fully backward (they were still covering up priest child abuse around then) to highly progressive in 20 years is quite remarkable.
A republic where all debate starts from a religious perspective!?
Ya have a fair way to go yet!
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Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View PostSeems to be a lot of hints, mainly from bond market, that US equities won't have a nice time over next while. Will be interesting to see what happens when people start making the same false equivalences as Trump does: Trump's tax bill crashed the market. He has kinda made that bed himself though.
I do wonder about the poor saps (psv included by his own admittance) who allow themselves to be distracted by shite like this nunes sideshow. Its the type of crap that serious people would sit in a room scheming and dismiss as 'there's no way people could be distracted by this'; but then Trump arrives and the rules seem to be changed on how gullible people can be assumed to be.
I’ve no skin in the game just annoys me how the gems are portrayed as white knights in the irish media when they are anything but.and I enjoy watching the type of people who think the West wing was a documentary having meltdowns about this stuff. It’s all entertainment to me, most likely thing is that the memo will be a letdown for entertainment purposes though
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Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Postcould you not strike a deal with a friend, friend of a friend? Are you thinking somewhere like Barca? Seems to be where all the traders like to be based at the moment.
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Originally posted by jack90210 View PostMeasuring the quality of our immigration against our European neighbours who have open border policies means nothing. How do we compare against a proper merit based immigration system would be more interesting.
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Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View PostNet migration is now positive again (for the last two years), but the substantive point makes sense tbf. We've a better class of migrant!
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Originally posted by Elshambles View PostHeard a bit of the referendum debate on radio this morning, sounded like the starting point was somewhere towards the front of the Bible!
A republic where all debate starts from a religious perspective!?
Ya have a fair way to go yet!
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Originally posted by Sickpuppy View PostTake a stroll through tyrellstown and tell me if we have a better class of immigrant.
With another kid on the way soon, one mate and his wife have sold their two bed to buy a 3 bed on the next street down.
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I’ve found immigrants from south and mid African countries seem to be very well equipped to integrate into irish society.maybe not a surprise if some are causing trouble (if they even are) if you dump them out in some isolated shit box facility desert west dublin suburb
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Originally posted by Strewelpeter View PostIts a very big call for HRI to make Irish racing subscription.
People in the business would know better but I thought that above and beyond the $$$ having Irish Racing FTA was a great boost for the industry that would be hard to quantify but very valuable.
I'm assuming that the deal guarantees full Irish coverage on a dedicated channel because otherwise its too stupid for words.
Or is it a case that RTE are losing the small amount of meetings they show also?
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Originally posted by PSV58 View PostI’ve found immigrants from south and mid African countries seem to be very well equipped to integrate into irish society.maybe not a surprise if some are causing trouble (if they even are) if you dump them out in some isolated shit box facility desert west dublin suburb
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...Last edited by Hitchhiker's Guide To...; 02-02-18, 14:36."We're not f*cking Burundi" - Big Phil
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Originally posted by The Situation View PostI never find myself particularly disagreeing with much of what Hectorjelly says, but just find it all so joyless and very difficult to relate to, almost on disingenuous levels. Otherwise day to day life must be a real struggle for you if you genuinely react to things to the levels of what I read on the daily here in your never ending pursuit of the fundamental rightness of absolutely everything.
Credit to Robin for showing me this, but this is what Ireland was like for women quite recently. http://www.advertiser.ie/galway/arti...not-do-in-1970
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Originally posted by eoghan104 View PostMaybe I am getting this wrong but it already subscription on ATR no?
Or is it a case that RTE are losing the small amount of meetings they show also?
UK Racing is a relatively expensive stand alone subscription that is not included in any of the SKY / BT EIR sports packages.
Only a small minority of pubs pay for UKRacing but just about every pub in UK and Ireland show ATR live. IMO being free to air in 99% of homes and pubs has been a huge benefit to the profile of Irish racing during the last decade. Hiding your premium Irish Racing brand away from the vast majority of viewers under a UK branded channel that is already covering 5 times as much lower quality racing seems to me to be utter madness.
There is still a lot to find out about the makeup this deal but it strikes me that if ATR are in trouble then HRI should be working with them to improve their revenue not running away for the sake of a quick buck.
If ATR fold as they could well do now, how much will UKR be offering next time around?
What will happen to the extra money, inflated pots for Grade 1 owners and a token luckpenny for stable staff and small yards is long odds on.
Maybe this is isn't real that its just some sort of a kite flying exercise as part of negotiations. If it is real allowing it leak on the eve of such a crucial weekend for the sport is ludicrous.Turning millions into thousands
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Originally posted by Hectorjelly View PostI was thinking about this post this morning. People might find it odd that I take such a joyless attitude towards such trivialities as darts women etc. I have the opposite view - for me if you want do something to reduce the amount of rape/sexual harassment/more minor infringements then you need to change the culture we live in. All of those crimes takes place in a culture that to some degree enables them. As noted by Eoghan I think, rape is really an awful crime for everyone, even the alleged perpetrator as its so hard to prove (and the corollary of that is its almost impossible to disprove). I actually can't understand anyone who doesn't think this is something we should be trying to improve.
Credit to Robin for showing me this, but this is what Ireland was like for women quite recently. http://www.advertiser.ie/galway/arti...not-do-in-1970
Funny to watch sometimes a lad justify "banter" because he was a grab an arse in the pub type not so long ago.airport, lol
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Originally posted by Strewelpeter View PostNo ATR is free to air for anyone with a satellite dish or a basic Cable TV subscription. RTE will continue to have terrestrial rights for the meetings they cover.
UK Racing is a relatively expensive stand alone subscription that is not included in any of the SKY / BT EIR sports packages.
Only a small minority of pubs pay for UKRacing but just about every pub in UK and Ireland show ATR live. IMO being free to air in 99% of homes and pubs has been a huge benefit to the profile of Irish racing during the last decade. Hiding your premium Irish Racing brand away from the vast majority of viewers under a UK branded channel that is already covering 5 times as much lower quality racing seems to me to be utter madness.
There is still a lot to find out about the makeup this deal but it strikes me that if ATR are in trouble then HRI should be working with them to improve their revenue not running away for the sake of a quick buck.
If ATR fold as they could well do now, how much will UKR be offering next time around?
What will happen to the extra money, inflated pots for Grade 1 owners and a token luckpenny for stable staff and small yards is long odds on.
Maybe this is isn't real that its just some sort of a kite flying exercise as part of negotiations. If it is real allowing it leak on the eve of such a crucial weekend for the sport is ludicrous.
Surely ATR can'y survive? The tracks they have outside Ireland are shite anyway! Mostly all weather no?
Ascot, Aintree, Sandown, Cheltenham, Haydock all on RUK I think?
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Originally posted by Hectorjelly View PostI was thinking about this post this morning. People might find it odd that I take such a joyless attitude towards such trivialities as darts women etc. I have the opposite view - for me if you want do something to reduce the amount of rape/sexual harassment/more minor infringements then you need to change the culture we live in. All of those crimes takes place in a culture that to some degree enables them. As noted by Eoghan I think, rape is really an awful crime for everyone, even the alleged perpetrator as its so hard to prove (and the corollary of that is its almost impossible to disprove). I actually can't understand anyone who doesn't think this is something we should be trying to improve.
Credit to Robin for showing me this, but this is what Ireland was like for women quite recently. http://www.advertiser.ie/galway/arti...not-do-in-1970
Why do you think that will work in this case?
When it comes serious crimes and serious criminals, we are talking about extreme value modelling, not anywhere near the norms of society. There is something very naive in the idea that we can possibly get 100% of people to conform to any idea. There will always be outliers in any population.
The honest and difficult truth is that unless we control everything everyone does, we cannot prevent anything that a determined and able person wants to do.
I believe fostering and educating a culture of respect and understanding is far more useful than berating, bearing, and attempting to shame and drag people towards the ideals that we definitely both share.
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Originally posted by Emmet View PostI believe fostering and educating a culture of respect and understanding is far more useful than berating, bearing, and attempting to shame and drag people towards the ideals that we definitely both share.Turning millions into thousands
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Originally posted by Strewelpeter View PostBut that is exactly what this is
There is agency involved in the second situation. An ultimatum in the first.
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Originally posted by Emmet View PostOnly in the same way that telling your child they have to go to bed if they don't eat their vegetables is 'educating them'. Isn't a far better scenario discussing and actually educating them about the benefits of it, and them making the decision to do so?
There is agency involved in the second situation. An ultimatum in the first."We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Postlol, come on over and try that on with three actual kids after a full day at work. I dares ya!
The carrot and the stick (liberty/agency vs authoritarian/ultimatum) is what it boils down to.
I'm definitely of the opinion that exerting agency to arrive at a solution is a far far more meaningful, beneficial and impactful than being forced into that same solution. I'd be interested in hearing someone argue against that opinion tbh.
(so many applicable puns).
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Originally posted by Emmet View PostI wanted to use a trivial example so as not to enflame the discussion.
The carrot and the stick (liberty/agency vs authoritarian/ultimatum) is what it boils down to.
I'm definitely of the opinion that exerting agency to arrive at a solution is a far far more meaningful, beneficial and impactful than being forced into that same solution. I'd be interested in hearing someone argue against that opinion tbh.
(so many applicable puns).
Is this not agency being exerted by the market, realising that social mores have moved to the point where providing public grope fest opportunities is bad business practice?
Or is the problem just that society is waking up to what is acceptable and not acceptable, what is respectful and disrespectful because of campaigns led by feminist activists?Turning millions into thousands
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Originally posted by Strewelpeter View PostIts not been made illegal to have walk on girls has it?
Is this not agency being exerted by the market, realising that social mores have moved to the point where providing public grope fest opportunities is bad business practice?
Or is the problem just that society is waking up to what is acceptable and not acceptable, what is respectful and disrespectful because of campaigns led by feminist activists?
You have zero evidence of there having been any groping at F1. None. Any evidence of illegality? You know of any issues unreported or directly caused by them?
Public beaches have more women in skimpy outfits, they are every much the 'grope fest opportunities' that F1 had. Are we set for the next wave of Puritans campaigning for councils to close beaches to prevent any sort of opportunity? Wedge argument of course, but I do want to know how you differentiate between the two.
My exact point is that society is not waking up to anything. Society is choosing to shelter from the loudest. That is the path of least resistance here, and that is what has been taken. If anything this type of 'offence baiting' reduces the ability of society to actually develop any of its own thoughts on the matter, as it has effectively been commandeered by those who can take the most offence from a situation and declare it distasteful. You absolutely get the pretence of societal development (in both cases in my facile example the child eats the carrot), so from a direct results based appreciation only they have done so, but as above, do you not see that there is a difference between the individual development between the two situations?
If you believe that a company choosing to avoid shame and outrage is a company 'growing up' you have totally failed to grasp what I am talking about.
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Originally posted by Hectorjelly View PostYeah exactly. I don't think anyone has advocated making walk on girls illegal, what should happen is the organisations themselves realise it's not appropriate. Hence I think the Rudi Guillaini analogy is false.
Companies are avoiding ignominy. That is it.
This ultimately (dystopia) results in a parallel 'pseudo-legal' system based on morals and values that are woefully subjective and open to the loudest and most offended to define, and nobody able to stop them.
Salem.
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That's ridiculous. How do you think companies have made decisions in the past? Do you think they chose to end child labour for altruistic reasons? I'm not saying the causes are similar, but the mechanism for change is. Also, how do society's ever make smart informed progress? Every change always ends up being messy, because of the number of actors involved. I get the feeling both of you don't really believe what you're arguing.
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Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View PostCan't say it as well as Emmet just put it, but there's definitely clear flaws in making decisions based on the new outrage culture rather than making smart informed societal progress. It all starts from a genuine place but it ends up in a society thats very nasty and very judgmental towards difference with a lot of innocent victims.
Attitudes are being formed on the basis of outrage and emotion rather than on reasoned argument."We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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